Skip to comments.Cain Swirling rhetoric War of Words in Trayvon case must stop facts are needed before rushing
Posted on 03/27/2012 7:59:39 AM PDT by marktwain
Former Republican presidential candidate and businessman Herman Cain told The Daily Caller hes concerned that the facts of 17-year-old Trayvon Martins killing may be getting lost amid the heated political and racial rhetoric surrounding the case.
Where is the investigation? Cain said in an email to TheDC. That is the question that should be asked, and answered, before all of this swirling rhetoric creates an even more tense situation out of this very tragic incident. We need a complete investigation and all the facts, not a premature War of Words.
Cain added that were there are some troubling questions about how police initially handled Martins death, the facts need to come out before the American people rush to judgment.
On the surface, it appears this was a senseless killing, Cain said. And it appears as if the suspect was not taken into custody. It appears there wasnt an immediate or thorough investigation.
Im not an investigator, but I believe all the facts should be out on the table before we draw any more conclusions in this case, he continued.
African-American conservative commentator Deneen Borelli told TheDC she thinks Martin Luther King, Jr. wouldnt condone the way some activists have handled the Martin shooting.
He [King] would never condone what Spike Lee has done, who tweeted Zimmermans address, Borelli, the author of BlackLash, a book critical of tactics employed by some progressives in situations where race may be a factor, said. He would not condone President Obamas comments and Al Sharpton injecting himself into this situation the way that he has. This is something that Martin Luther King would absolutely not stand for.
Yes, that is true. It is also true that nothing would have happened if Trayvon Martin had stayed home. It is very likely nothing would have happened if Trayvon Martin's girlfriend had not called him, delaying him from going home, and likely making his appearance suspicious, as he was talking on a hands free device. Most people have seen someone that appears to be acting crazy, then finds out they are on a cell phone.
All of that, however, is irrelevant, because both Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman had every right to be in the public spaces that they were in, until the physical altercation started.
UPDATE: The Brady Campaign sent this statement to TheDC Monday evening: It has now been reported that the Sanford Police Department is in possession of the gun that George Zimmerman used to shoot Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman, however, still has his concealed carry license and he still has the ability to buy a gun and carry it into public spaces.
The initial police report also states that they took George Zimmerman's pistol and impounded it.
You need remedial English.
If you see no difference between `stay the f away from the guy` and `we don`t need you to follow` then there`s no point in having any kind of conversation.
Let me ask you this:
Were the police dispatcher`s words legally binding
Did Zimmerman break the law by exiting his truck
“Why wasn’t Zimmerman given a field sobriety test? Was he under the influence of something? What can you tell us about that?”
We do not know that George Zimmerman was not given a feild sobriety test, but if there was no evidence of a lack of sobriety, then there was no reason to give one.
As for the blood alchol test, the police have no authority to demand one in this case, because they had no probable cause to arrest George Zimmerman. Florida law is very clear on this.
Again, read the City Manager’s statement, and you will have a much better understanding of why the City did what they did.
It is on post 5 at the link:
It was the prosecutor who told the police that there was no case against George Zimmerman, and that he would not be charged.
Back in my drinking days (last drink 2/2/99, thank you very much) I was given many a sobriety test.
Since that time, I have been stopped for speeding, general roadblocks for licenses etc., but have never again been given a sobriety test.
I assume that a lack of the smell of alcohol, clear speech plus due & proper respect had something to do with it.
Mark one for proper investigation
That’s all well and good.
However, I’d still like to see your source(s) that support your allegations that the Sanford PD officers and Mr. Zimmerman were “laughing and smoking” after the shooting.
Also, the source(s) that contradict(s) the official police report, which I provided up thread, that prove your other allegation that Mr. Zimmerman was not placed into custody.
“Not one of you “Zimmerman was justified killing Martin” people can offer a plausible explanation for Martin attacking Zimmerman in the first place! Martin was on his way home.It was raining. How would he have EVEN become aware of Zimmerman in the first place to where he would attack this man?”
First, Martin was aware of Zimmerman. Zimmerman states in the 911 tape that the suspect sees him, stares at him, moves toward him, then moves away.
Second, The girlfriend claims that on her phone call to Martin, Martin said that he was aware of a man following him, and that he was afraid.
Third, Zimmerman says that he exchanged words with Martin just before he was attacked. It appears that the girlfreind collaberates this statement, but I do not have an exact quote from Zimmerman on it. Martin says something like “Why are you following me?” and Zimmerman says “What are you doing here?” The quotes are from memory. The girlfriend's phone call was not recorded, as far as I know.
So, Martin is afraid of Zimmerman. He and Zimmerman exchange words, they are close. Martin towers over Zimmerman by about 6 inches, and it is clear that Zimmerman is out of shape.
I find it quite plausible that Martin thinks: I can take this guy, and jumps him.
Possible motives for Martin jumping Zimmerman:
Fear of Zimmerman because Zimmerman followed him. Many on freerepublic have said that if a stranger followed them, they would feel endangered and feel justified in attacking them. That would likely not hold up in court, but many have said they would do so.
Street cred: If Martin is into the “gansta” culture, beating down someone would give him status. Twitter posts after the fact indicate that this is not far fetched. Young black males have been making news across the country as they play the “knockout game” where they attempt to knock out innocent people with a sucker punch.
Testosterone poisoning: Young males are prone to be edgy and aggressive, especially if they are under stress. Martin was under suspension. He was forced to be in a strange neighborhood, away from his peers, because of school problems.
A motive often cited by Martin partisans is that Zimmerman grabbed him/touched him/ or otherwise started the physical confrontation. It is possible, but we simply have no evidence that it is so.
>Every witness that has come forth to date has claimed they only witnessed the LAST MOMENTS of the fight. Noone has come forth and said they witnessed Zimmerman’s FIRST approach to Martin. Nor has anyone witnessed when Zimmerman FIRST emerged from his vehicle. So you are attempting to talk about things that noone has provided real evidence of. Nothing would have happened had Zimmerman stayed in the car and let the police handle things
Again you’ve never explained what Zimmerman did that was wrong beyond following someone.
>Actually nothing would have happened had Zimmerman followed the advice of the police dispatcher and stayed in his vehicle. That seems to be some hard logic for you to accept.
Gee, let’s expand on that logic. If Martin had not been suspended and thus in a strange neighborhood moving around at night , he wouldn’t have attracted Zimmerman’s attention as suspicious. See, it’s back on Martin again. That’s exactly as much of a stretch as the nonsense you are peddling.
>Since Martin did not attack Zimmerman inside his vehicle there would never have been any “first punch” had Zimmerman not tried to engage Martin on foot.
Well shucks, if Martin hadn’t gone walking in a strange neighborhood, he wouldn’t have caused Zimmerman to get out of the car. See where this goes?
>Lets see you refute that fact
Was I supposed to be impressed by puerile nonsense?
>Some call it stalking. And without any authority to follow on foot Martin, Zimmerman could be considered a stalker
Where do you get this nonsense? A stalker? I mean really, do you listen to yourself?
>So when the police tell you something you regard it as a “suggestion”? Please!
Maybe you’re not aware of this, but police dispatchers are generally not actual police (cheaper to use a civilian). Their words do not in any weigh carry the weight of police orders.
>There would have been no “first punch” had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Right? Zimmerman was not punched inside his car. So why was he on the streets where he could get punched?
Why was Martin on the street punching people? This is a pathetically stupid circular argument. We can go back a long ways with this and it will get just as far into nowhere.
One person in this situation initiated violence. According to the evidence available at this point, that person was Martin. You can hem and haw all you like about possibilities, but shoulda, woulda, coulda doesn’t mean didly squat. More to the point, nothing Zimmerman did was illegal. He committed no crime. Martin, by what evidence we have started a fight. That is breaking the law. This is a pretty clear cut difference. Your inability to grasp that simple reality is rather disturbing.
Do you wear a special costume when you go looking for racism that isn’t there?
Not good enough. Provide a link please.
The rest of your comments are irrelevant to me. I’m challenging your scurrilous assertion that the Sanford PD officers and Zimmerman were laughing and smoking after the shooting.
Again, put up or shut up.
Until you do, you have shot your credibility to hell.
I wonder, are you a bit biased on this topic? Is this why you insist on slandering the Sanford PD officers and Zimmerman with those false allegations? Is this why you won’t provide the actual links to your claims? Folks have been providing links to information to show you where and how you’re wrong, but that’s not good enough. It doesn’t meet your pre-conceived, biased theory, so it’s dismissed.
You are engaging in the very same behavior that the media, Al Sharpton, JJ and all the other race hustlers have been in since day one of this blow up. Despicable, trollish behavior.
Intentionally lying about people, just like the scum in the media and the racists who are calling for Mr. Zimmerman’s head on a platter.
Again, until you either RETRACT the false accusation or provide a link, your words and position on this issue aren’t worth spit.
Liar. I've never said, nor have I ever asserted anything of the kind.
Post the source links.
“Cain crucified himself. He should have know he would be subject to a full body cavity search.”
And if the accusations are false?
That’s my point...