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Officer Suspended for Saying 'Act Like a Thug Die Like one!' in Martin Case
MSNBC ^ | March 27th, 2012

Posted on 03/27/2012 3:14:24 PM PDT by nickcarraway

A 13-year veteran of the New Orleans Police Department has been suspended without pay for his comment “Act like a Thug Die like one!” in response to a story about slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin.

Jason Giroir is under investigation by the New Orleans Public Integrity Bureau after a remark was posted on WWLTV.com’s website in response to an article about a rally supporting Martin. The slaying of the 17-year-old, who was shot by a neighborhood watch captain, has drawn nationwide attention.

Giroir has admitted to posting the comment last week. "His statement is, 'Yes, I did it’," Giroir’s lawyer, Eric Hessler, told The Times-Picayune. "He certainly didn't mean it as a racial comment, as an offensive comment, although it came out that way. He acknowledges he should have chosen better words."

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NOPD officer suspended over Trayvon Martin comments on WWLTV.com
1 posted on 03/27/2012 3:14:31 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

He should be suspended for that. Aside from it being wildly inappropriate, as a former Prosecutor, that one comment ruins just about every case I’d have with that idiot.

Unprofessional and wrong.


2 posted on 03/27/2012 3:18:51 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: nickcarraway

Sometimes the truth is painful.

And always, political correctness is the act of inserting one’s head into one’s own arse.


3 posted on 03/27/2012 3:19:50 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: nickcarraway
A 13-year veteran of the New Orleans Police Department has been suspended without pay for his comment “Act like a Thug Die like one!” in response to a story about slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin.

Jason Giroir is under investigation by the New Orleans Public Integrity Bureau after a remark was posted on WWLTV.com’s website in response to an article about a rally supporting Martin.

What happened to free speech? It seems to me that there is plenty of evidence to support the policeman's comment. Trayvon was far from a model student, and closer to being a gang member, drug dealer, and racist, according to the evidence in the media.

Why should anybody be punished for stating their opinion, especially with support for their assertions?

I would say that the New Orleans Public Integrity Bureau is anything but. The New Orleans Public Integrity Bureau needs to take a time out and reflect on their own integrity, IMO.

4 posted on 03/27/2012 3:22:20 PM PDT by olezip
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To: nickcarraway

In matters involving race and Blacks it is totally improper to tell the truth.

Only politically correct lies are allowed.


5 posted on 03/27/2012 3:23:55 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: nickcarraway

D’oh! Of course, the Nawlins PD isn’t exactly a hotbed of PCness.


6 posted on 03/27/2012 3:24:04 PM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: RIghtwardHo

A responsible media would have ‘Act Like a Thug Die Like one!’ as the focus of it’s coverage of this tragedy.

But they’d rather sell trash to dumb sluts.


7 posted on 03/27/2012 3:27:34 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: RIghtwardHo
He should be suspended for that. Aside from it being wildly inappropriate, as a former Prosecutor, that one comment ruins just about every case I’d have with that idiot. Unprofessional and wrong.

The case is in a different jurisdiction in another state. How is it anyone's business what he says in a private capacity about a case in someone else's bailiwick?

8 posted on 03/27/2012 3:29:18 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: mrsmith

Need a hoodie with that quote printed on the front of it.


9 posted on 03/27/2012 3:29:47 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: nickcarraway

I have no problem with what he said....

Yes, I know he is a Police Officer too. They are humans entitled to their opinions.

Some of them may be Replicans, they will want to suspend them for that soon too...


10 posted on 03/27/2012 3:31:42 PM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Lawyers/politicians/Marxist media all masters of half truths or lying by omission so I am sure they will attempt to spin the LEOs words to their advantage instead of trying to get to the truth. It seems to be all about winning and not truthful justice.

He was a thug! By his own Tweets he WANTED TO BE KNOWN AS A THUG N-Word. When he called himself a THUG N-WORD why should we pretend to not believe him?

Seems he did a damned good job of damaging his own reputation.

The gene pool just got a little cleaner.


11 posted on 03/27/2012 3:32:09 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: RIghtwardHo
He should be suspended for that. Aside from it being wildly inappropriate, as a former Prosecutor, that one comment ruins just about every case I’d have with that idiot.

Mmmm, he wasn't actively involved with or investigating the case. In fact, it's not even close to his jurisdiction

As a "former prosecutor" I would suspect you would know better.

You haz a distinct troll smell, enjoy your stay.

12 posted on 03/27/2012 3:34:29 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: nickcarraway

I’ve seen plenty of ‘white’ thugs, in my day, so the use of the term doesn’t seem ‘racial’ at all.

It applies to ‘thugs’, no matter their race/color/creed.


13 posted on 03/27/2012 3:34:29 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: RIghtwardHo

The officer is right.

Live like a thug, die like a thug.

Ask Trayvon Martin.


14 posted on 03/27/2012 3:35:20 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; mrsmith

Alternatively, “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”


15 posted on 03/27/2012 3:36:11 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: UCANSEE2
It applies to ‘thugs’, no matter their race/color/creed.

Amen, BTTT, whooah and +1!

16 posted on 03/27/2012 3:36:38 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: UCANSEE2
The word "thug" descends directly from the Indian Thuggee cult, the members of which would perform ritualistic killings in the name of the Hindu goddess Kali.

So apparently, this guy is racist against Indians.

17 posted on 03/27/2012 3:38:41 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: nickcarraway; All

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

~~George Orwell


18 posted on 03/27/2012 3:40:05 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: mrsmith

Outstanding post....and tag line too!


19 posted on 03/27/2012 3:42:12 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

It’s gonna be on a billboard on the White House lawn one day the way the media twists these things.

I hate them so: anything to get dumb people for their advertisers.


20 posted on 03/27/2012 3:42:27 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Suppose he said “Live by the sword,die by the sword”?

How would you feel about that?


21 posted on 03/27/2012 3:43:59 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: RIghtwardHo
Every profession is a "breed" and a LEO is a different 'breed" than say, a sociol worker ... y'know?

I think the comment is not only right on, but a tame one at that.

He should never have been suspended.

But then, he's in a chocolate city now, ain't he ... ?!

22 posted on 03/27/2012 3:44:32 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: RIghtwardHo

What the officer said is indeed problematic for unrelated cases. However the broader context is well worth paying attention to.

While race agitators are trying to stimulate riots and the smaller scale ‘wildings’, ‘knock-out games’ and ‘flash robberies’, the public mood and patience to such things is decidedly sour. And this is seen first among LEOs.

It is almost inevitable that some merry band of thugs is going to assail someone with concealed carry and a willingness to use it. Followed shortly thereafter by half a dozen such perpetrators taken to hospital with abdominal holes.

Undoubtedly the usual suspects will call it a “racist massacre” or some such, and then the real debate begins.


23 posted on 03/27/2012 3:46:15 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." -- Hillary Clinton)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; RIghtwardHo
As a "former prosecutor" I would suspect you would know better.

I think RightwardHo's correct. Think Mark Furhman in the O.J. Simpson case. If the officer is white, this comment will be raised as a possible indicator of bias every time he has to testify in a case involving a minority defendant.

The officer found evidence (like Fuhrman)? The comment is raised as possible evidence he is biased and planted it. The officer testifies as to what he witnesses? The comment is raised as possible evidence he is biased and is exaggerating or lying.

This officer is a prosecutor's nightmare. Fuhrman's racial comments, made in North Carolina in the context of a movie script, came back to cast doubt on his finding evidence in the O.J. Simpson case in California.

RighwardHo nailed it.

24 posted on 03/27/2012 3:57:23 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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NOPD officer resigns force after being suspended for making offensive comments about Trayvon Martin case

Published: Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 4:57 PM
Updated: Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 5:48 PM

The Times-Picayune By Brendan McCarthy

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/03/nopd_officer_resigns_force_aft.html


25 posted on 03/27/2012 3:58:28 PM PDT by Mila
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To: nickcarraway

So, this police officer gets suspended for stating an opinion based on facts? (Where is my trash can? I feel the need to puke!)


26 posted on 03/27/2012 3:58:36 PM PDT by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

It’s not a NO case.


27 posted on 03/27/2012 4:05:59 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: Zhang Fei

Doesn’t matter it’s a different jurisdiction. As a defense atty I’d be all over him on EVERY case especially anything in which he is involved in an altercation. And it would be relevant. It would go to his state of mind and motivation. It would color EVERY single case he handled involving minorities. Pretty much every judge on the planet would let it in. And if they don’t suspend him, it colors the whole department.

Suspend him at a minimum.


28 posted on 03/27/2012 4:06:21 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Scoutmaster

Fhurmans very old comments should never have been allowed in the first place.

I heard a judge say that Ito should have declared a mistrial as soon as that testimony was made.


29 posted on 03/27/2012 4:06:34 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: RIghtwardHo

It likely would make for legal difficulties in today’s PC ruled courts. It ‘may’ have been unprofessional depending on one’s point of view.

But wrong? No it was not wrong. It was 100% accurate. Unless ‘right’ means “Live like a thug, die by a law abiding respectable person.”

It’s a pretty well established fact that action results in consequence. If one sky dives, he has a far greater chance of falling thousands of feet to his death than a bed ridden man in a ground floor nursing home. If a person swims regularly mid ocean, his chances of drowning are far greater than those of an Arab living in the Sahara.

And if one lives like a thug, with the crime/murder/death statistics of thuggery to go by, there are greater than even odds that one’s chances of dying like a thug are quite high.

I think that would hold up in court, don’t you?

No further questions councilor ;)

As long as we let PC word games hold sway, we will be ruled by the people who play them.


30 posted on 03/27/2012 4:07:34 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Scoutmaster

Maybe the cop can get a gig on Fox when he’s fired.


31 posted on 03/27/2012 4:08:14 PM PDT by goseminoles
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LIVE LIKE A THUG, DIE LIKE ONE

im retired so i can say anything i want without losing my job.....its like being free,,,god bless american


32 posted on 03/27/2012 4:08:38 PM PDT by bagster
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To: TASMANIANRED

Doesn’t matter at all. It would go to the cop’s motivation, state of mind, etc in almost any case involving a minority and especially one’s where there was violence. A decent defense atty would rake him over the coals and I sure wouldn’t want him in a jury trial.


33 posted on 03/27/2012 4:09:10 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Norm Lenhart

Edit “Dy “LIKE” a law abiding respectible person”


34 posted on 03/27/2012 4:10:42 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Mila

Little did he know that was his ticket out !! He probly got a better job offer somewhere else.


35 posted on 03/27/2012 4:11:35 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Wouldn’t hold up in Court at all. This Officer would be eviscerated on the stand in any case involving any prejudice he may have. If I were the Defense Atty, I’d easily tear him to pieces.

Even if it were a pre-trial hearing. let’s say the issue is racial profiling and there was no probably cause. Just about every judge worth a hoot would toss the evidence in question if it appeared that he was prejudiced.

This one statement has the potential to ruin dozens, if not more, criminal cases in his jurisdiction.


36 posted on 03/27/2012 4:12:56 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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It’s not smart to make comments like this when your online moniker is something like “worksforNOPD”.

Kind of asks for an internal affairs investigation.


37 posted on 03/27/2012 4:21:30 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (A Bounty on Zimmerman, Can Be A Bounty On ANYONE. No NBBP Mob Justice!)
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To: RIghtwardHo

I agree it wouldn’t. You are a lawyer and know that bettet than I ever could. That’s why I started with a statement agreement with you.

But that wasn’t by point. My point is that the statement itself is correct. A thug is more likely to die like a thug than a respectable member of society. And because of PC, your scenario is correct.

Take an Old west court in America and say the same thing in it. Would your legal wizardry sway, say a Wyatt Erp era judge? So what’s the difference?

The difference is that because of PC, a true statement like the above is more damaging to the cause of “justice” than a flat out lie.


38 posted on 03/27/2012 4:21:40 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: RIghtwardHo

OK, I will be the cop and you be the defense attorney.

You ask the questions and I will answer them right here. Go ahead, tear me up.


39 posted on 03/27/2012 4:25:18 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Scoutmaster
I think RightwardHo's correct. Think Mark Furhman in the O.J. Simpson case. If the officer is white, this comment will be raised as a possible indicator of bias every time he has to testify in a case involving a minority defendant.

This Cop is in Louisiana, the Martin case is in Florida.

Your post is not only not applicable, it's a bit bizarre.

40 posted on 03/27/2012 4:27:20 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: yarddog
Fhurmans very old comments should never have been allowed in the first place.

In a situation such as that one, the judge is sometimes going to err in favor of the defendant and let the jury decide if there is probative value to the comment. The prosecution was the opportunity to point out (a) how old the comments were; (b) the circumstances in which they were made; and (c) Fuhrman's relationship with black officers. I don't remember enough of the specifics, nor know enough California law, to know how I would have ruled. How I 'feel' about it matters only within the scope of what California law says.

I heard a judge say that Ito should have declared a mistrial as soon as that testimony was made.

I thought Ito had ruled in camera that the comment was admissible, but it's been a long time. Again, it depends on whether Ito thought Simpson, as a defendant, should be given the opportunity to prevent the defense with the jury allowed to consider (a), (b), and (c). He may not have allowed the comment had it been introduced by the prosecution to discredit a defense witness. Things aren't perfectly even in the courtroom.

41 posted on 03/27/2012 4:29:59 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: RIghtwardHo

A good attorney would argue the definition of ‘thug’. A criminal who outsmarts the system of law enforcement and jurisprudence will still face the consequences of such a lifestyle. (i.e. live like a thug, die like a thug)


42 posted on 03/27/2012 4:31:24 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: nickcarraway
the New Orleans Public Integrity Bureau

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Good one!

43 posted on 03/27/2012 4:31:31 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: Scoutmaster
If the officer is white, this comment will be raised as a possible indicator of bias every time he has to testify in a case involving a minority defendant.

After reading again, you raise a valid point.

44 posted on 03/27/2012 4:33:10 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: RIghtwardHo; All

The glaring problem with the officer’s statement is that it would come up in any deadly force case he was involved in.


45 posted on 03/27/2012 4:33:31 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Norm Lenhart; RIghtwardHo
It was 100% accurate.

Just because something's accurate doesn't mean a public official can say it without repercussions. A judge cannot, in his or her private life, make general but true comments about the statistical likelihood of a black man committing a violent crime compared to an asian man without facing motions to recuse himself every time he or she sits on a case with a black male defendant charged with a violent crime.

46 posted on 03/27/2012 4:34:28 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

The question was obviously intended to bias a mostly Black jury. I will say Furhman should have said “I am sure I, like virtually every other person has used that word before, in fact you just used it yourself.”


47 posted on 03/27/2012 4:35:35 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Las Vegas Ron

The comment was made in New Orleans and would affect any cases that cop was involved in; in New Orleans.


48 posted on 03/27/2012 4:38:30 PM PDT by NathanR
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To: nickcarraway
Has the rule become one criticizes a Negro at the peril of ones job? If so, we have a new nobility.
49 posted on 03/27/2012 4:41:57 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: nickcarraway
How dare he speak sacrilege about Saint Martin!

Pray for America

50 posted on 03/27/2012 4:48:36 PM PDT by bray (Power to We the People)
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