Skip to comments.Officer Suspended for Saying 'Act Like a Thug Die Like one!' in Martin Case
Posted on 03/27/2012 3:14:24 PM PDT by nickcarraway
A 13-year veteran of the New Orleans Police Department has been suspended without pay for his comment Act like a Thug Die like one! in response to a story about slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin.
Jason Giroir is under investigation by the New Orleans Public Integrity Bureau after a remark was posted on WWLTV.coms website in response to an article about a rally supporting Martin. The slaying of the 17-year-old, who was shot by a neighborhood watch captain, has drawn nationwide attention.
Giroir has admitted to posting the comment last week. "His statement is, 'Yes, I did it," Giroirs lawyer, Eric Hessler, told The Times-Picayune. "He certainly didn't mean it as a racial comment, as an offensive comment, although it came out that way. He acknowledges he should have chosen better words."
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He should be suspended for that. Aside from it being wildly inappropriate, as a former Prosecutor, that one comment ruins just about every case I’d have with that idiot.
Unprofessional and wrong.
Sometimes the truth is painful.
And always, political correctness is the act of inserting one’s head into one’s own arse.
Jason Giroir is under investigation by the New Orleans Public Integrity Bureau after a remark was posted on WWLTV.coms website in response to an article about a rally supporting Martin.
What happened to free speech? It seems to me that there is plenty of evidence to support the policeman's comment. Trayvon was far from a model student, and closer to being a gang member, drug dealer, and racist, according to the evidence in the media.
Why should anybody be punished for stating their opinion, especially with support for their assertions?
I would say that the New Orleans Public Integrity Bureau is anything but. The New Orleans Public Integrity Bureau needs to take a time out and reflect on their own integrity, IMO.
In matters involving race and Blacks it is totally improper to tell the truth.
Only politically correct lies are allowed.
D’oh! Of course, the Nawlins PD isn’t exactly a hotbed of PCness.
A responsible media would have ‘Act Like a Thug Die Like one!’ as the focus of it’s coverage of this tragedy.
But they’d rather sell trash to dumb sluts.
The case is in a different jurisdiction in another state. How is it anyone's business what he says in a private capacity about a case in someone else's bailiwick?
Need a hoodie with that quote printed on the front of it.
I have no problem with what he said....
Yes, I know he is a Police Officer too. They are humans entitled to their opinions.
Some of them may be Replicans, they will want to suspend them for that soon too...
Lawyers/politicians/Marxist media all masters of half truths or lying by omission so I am sure they will attempt to spin the LEOs words to their advantage instead of trying to get to the truth. It seems to be all about winning and not truthful justice.
He was a thug! By his own Tweets he WANTED TO BE KNOWN AS A THUG N-Word. When he called himself a THUG N-WORD why should we pretend to not believe him?
Seems he did a damned good job of damaging his own reputation.
The gene pool just got a little cleaner.
Mmmm, he wasn't actively involved with or investigating the case. In fact, it's not even close to his jurisdiction
As a "former prosecutor" I would suspect you would know better.
You haz a distinct troll smell, enjoy your stay.
I’ve seen plenty of ‘white’ thugs, in my day, so the use of the term doesn’t seem ‘racial’ at all.
It applies to ‘thugs’, no matter their race/color/creed.
The officer is right.
Live like a thug, die like a thug.
Ask Trayvon Martin.
Alternatively, “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
Amen, BTTT, whooah and +1!
So apparently, this guy is racist against Indians.
“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”
Outstanding post....and tag line too!
It’s gonna be on a billboard on the White House lawn one day the way the media twists these things.
I hate them so: anything to get dumb people for their advertisers.
Suppose he said “Live by the sword,die by the sword”?
How would you feel about that?
I think the comment is not only right on, but a tame one at that.
He should never have been suspended.
But then, he's in a chocolate city now, ain't he ... ?!
What the officer said is indeed problematic for unrelated cases. However the broader context is well worth paying attention to.
While race agitators are trying to stimulate riots and the smaller scale ‘wildings’, ‘knock-out games’ and ‘flash robberies’, the public mood and patience to such things is decidedly sour. And this is seen first among LEOs.
It is almost inevitable that some merry band of thugs is going to assail someone with concealed carry and a willingness to use it. Followed shortly thereafter by half a dozen such perpetrators taken to hospital with abdominal holes.
Undoubtedly the usual suspects will call it a “racist massacre” or some such, and then the real debate begins.
I think RightwardHo's correct. Think Mark Furhman in the O.J. Simpson case. If the officer is white, this comment will be raised as a possible indicator of bias every time he has to testify in a case involving a minority defendant.
The officer found evidence (like Fuhrman)? The comment is raised as possible evidence he is biased and planted it. The officer testifies as to what he witnesses? The comment is raised as possible evidence he is biased and is exaggerating or lying.
This officer is a prosecutor's nightmare. Fuhrman's racial comments, made in North Carolina in the context of a movie script, came back to cast doubt on his finding evidence in the O.J. Simpson case in California.
RighwardHo nailed it.
NOPD officer resigns force after being suspended for making offensive comments about Trayvon Martin case
Published: Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 4:57 PM
Updated: Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 5:48 PM
The Times-Picayune By Brendan McCarthy
So, this police officer gets suspended for stating an opinion based on facts? (Where is my trash can? I feel the need to puke!)
It’s not a NO case.
Doesn’t matter it’s a different jurisdiction. As a defense atty I’d be all over him on EVERY case especially anything in which he is involved in an altercation. And it would be relevant. It would go to his state of mind and motivation. It would color EVERY single case he handled involving minorities. Pretty much every judge on the planet would let it in. And if they don’t suspend him, it colors the whole department.
Suspend him at a minimum.
Fhurmans very old comments should never have been allowed in the first place.
I heard a judge say that Ito should have declared a mistrial as soon as that testimony was made.
It likely would make for legal difficulties in today’s PC ruled courts. It ‘may’ have been unprofessional depending on one’s point of view.
But wrong? No it was not wrong. It was 100% accurate. Unless ‘right’ means “Live like a thug, die by a law abiding respectable person.”
It’s a pretty well established fact that action results in consequence. If one sky dives, he has a far greater chance of falling thousands of feet to his death than a bed ridden man in a ground floor nursing home. If a person swims regularly mid ocean, his chances of drowning are far greater than those of an Arab living in the Sahara.
And if one lives like a thug, with the crime/murder/death statistics of thuggery to go by, there are greater than even odds that one’s chances of dying like a thug are quite high.
I think that would hold up in court, don’t you?
No further questions councilor ;)
As long as we let PC word games hold sway, we will be ruled by the people who play them.
Maybe the cop can get a gig on Fox when he’s fired.
LIVE LIKE A THUG, DIE LIKE ONE
im retired so i can say anything i want without losing my job.....its like being free,,,god bless american
Doesn’t matter at all. It would go to the cop’s motivation, state of mind, etc in almost any case involving a minority and especially one’s where there was violence. A decent defense atty would rake him over the coals and I sure wouldn’t want him in a jury trial.
Edit “Dy “LIKE” a law abiding respectible person”
Little did he know that was his ticket out !! He probly got a better job offer somewhere else.
Wouldn’t hold up in Court at all. This Officer would be eviscerated on the stand in any case involving any prejudice he may have. If I were the Defense Atty, I’d easily tear him to pieces.
Even if it were a pre-trial hearing. let’s say the issue is racial profiling and there was no probably cause. Just about every judge worth a hoot would toss the evidence in question if it appeared that he was prejudiced.
This one statement has the potential to ruin dozens, if not more, criminal cases in his jurisdiction.
It’s not smart to make comments like this when your online moniker is something like “worksforNOPD”.
Kind of asks for an internal affairs investigation.
I agree it wouldn’t. You are a lawyer and know that bettet than I ever could. That’s why I started with a statement agreement with you.
But that wasn’t by point. My point is that the statement itself is correct. A thug is more likely to die like a thug than a respectable member of society. And because of PC, your scenario is correct.
Take an Old west court in America and say the same thing in it. Would your legal wizardry sway, say a Wyatt Erp era judge? So what’s the difference?
The difference is that because of PC, a true statement like the above is more damaging to the cause of “justice” than a flat out lie.
OK, I will be the cop and you be the defense attorney.
You ask the questions and I will answer them right here. Go ahead, tear me up.
This Cop is in Louisiana, the Martin case is in Florida.
Your post is not only not applicable, it's a bit bizarre.
In a situation such as that one, the judge is sometimes going to err in favor of the defendant and let the jury decide if there is probative value to the comment. The prosecution was the opportunity to point out (a) how old the comments were; (b) the circumstances in which they were made; and (c) Fuhrman's relationship with black officers. I don't remember enough of the specifics, nor know enough California law, to know how I would have ruled. How I 'feel' about it matters only within the scope of what California law says.
I heard a judge say that Ito should have declared a mistrial as soon as that testimony was made.
I thought Ito had ruled in camera that the comment was admissible, but it's been a long time. Again, it depends on whether Ito thought Simpson, as a defendant, should be given the opportunity to prevent the defense with the jury allowed to consider (a), (b), and (c). He may not have allowed the comment had it been introduced by the prosecution to discredit a defense witness. Things aren't perfectly even in the courtroom.
A good attorney would argue the definition of ‘thug’. A criminal who outsmarts the system of law enforcement and jurisprudence will still face the consequences of such a lifestyle. (i.e. live like a thug, die like a thug)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Good one!
After reading again, you raise a valid point.
The glaring problem with the officer’s statement is that it would come up in any deadly force case he was involved in.
Just because something's accurate doesn't mean a public official can say it without repercussions. A judge cannot, in his or her private life, make general but true comments about the statistical likelihood of a black man committing a violent crime compared to an asian man without facing motions to recuse himself every time he or she sits on a case with a black male defendant charged with a violent crime.
The question was obviously intended to bias a mostly Black jury. I will say Furhman should have said “I am sure I, like virtually every other person has used that word before, in fact you just used it yourself.”
The comment was made in New Orleans and would affect any cases that cop was involved in; in New Orleans.
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