Skip to comments.Trayvon Martin threatened to kill George Zimmerman, Zimmerman's father says
Posted on 03/28/2012 8:14:15 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
TAMPA - The father of 28-year-old George Zimmerman spoke out Wednesday night. In an exclusive interview with FOX 35's Valerie Boey, Robert Zimmerman says he and his family have gotten thousands of death threats.
He asked that his face not be shown as he explained what happened the night his son shot and killed Trayvon Martin.
Robert Zimmerman says George Zimmerman was going to the store when he saw someone he did not recognize as living in the community.
"Because there have been a lot of break-ins in the area, he thought that was suspicious that someone would not be walking on the street or the sidewalk. That he'd be walking by the town homes," Zimmerman said.
(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxtampabay.com ...
I know! I live in FL.
Video I saw doesn’t show his face! Even if it did, paramedics had cleaned him up. (so he looked presentable to the booking officer!/S)
Thanks, Irenic...besides being spot on, it is extraordinarily well done, informative and, dare I admit it, entertaining to watch.
A real man, was Charlton Heston.
When things like this happen, I don’t put much stock in what parents say. I don’t take Martins parents claims seriously, either.
Good thing you don’t put much stock in Martin’s parents because they’ve proven liars.
Zimmerman’s story has been consistent and oh yea TWO different investigations showed there was no evidence he did anything wrong.
Do you think he should be arrested anyway? What do you actually believe?
Speaking of Martin’s parents does it bother you the only proven liars in this case so far are on Martin’s side of this case, yet you and some others are looking for conspiracies to convict Zimmerman.
Doesn’t bother you about the lies initial told by Martin’s friends and parents?
Fast and Furious and the Michigan Militia blew up in Holders face. Even liberal judges are having second thoughts on the Obama Holder race war.
>>Its being used as an election issue.
Yep. Observe that not a single recent photo of the 17 Year Old, alleged 6’ 200+lb “football player”, can be found anywhere on the internet.
Quite the sanitization job.
Its good to see Spi(t)e Lee appologized to the old people he scared half to death after giving out their address as Zimmermans.
There usaully is no accountability ammoungst the “justice” League.
I’m sure Spite Lee’s appology was heart felt and not an attempt to be sued for goobly gooks of money.
>>What is Zimmerman some elderly white hillbilly from the mountains of West Virginia?
No. Looks more like he's just some macho half-Peruvian punk with a chip on his shoulder.
>>This is all so dumb.
Yep. "Not with a bang but a whimper." Well ok there was a bang in this case, but the sound our society is making as it flushes itself down the toilet is still pretty much just a whimper.
Meanwhile, in the intermission between the half-Peruvian "hate on blacks" Circus:
TYRONE DALE DAVID WOODFORK
ARRESTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
CHARGES: Armed robbery (two counts), first-degree burglary, assault with a dangerous weapon, first-degree murder.
Couple met and married within a month and stayed together for 65 years... only to be parted after home invader beat wife to death
Home invasion: Bob and Nancy Strait were both attacked when burglars broke into their home in Tulsa. Mrs Strait died of her injuries
Mr Strait, who served in the 101st Airborne Division in World War II, suffered a broken jaw, broken ribs and severe bleeding. He is in a serious condition in hospital.
- Nancy Strait, 85, was sexually assaulted and battered to death by burglar
- Her husband Bob, 90, suffered a broken jaw and broken ribs in attack
- Police have arrested 20-year-old Tyrone Dale David Woodfork
Thanks for posting.
Exactly. As long as Obama can get the eyes off our domestic and world problems and onto stuff like this, then he can rest easy. Have all the headlines on this thug beating a guy nearly to death and the guy having to shoot the kid thinking that if I don’t, I may die here myself. That would have been what I would have done also. If I had been jumped and was on the ground and someone was beating me and trying to kill me, then yes, I would shoot him and worry about it later. This Zimmerman guy is basically lucky to be alive. Or this street thug, who got kicked out of school, and is the president’s long lost son, is some kind of hero.
Speaking of Martins parents does it bother you the only proven liars in this case so far are on Martins side of this case, yet you and some others are looking for conspiracies to convict Zimmerman.
Doesnt bother you about the lies initial told by Martins friends and parents?
I don’t know the details for the FL governor. But even if he is a RINO is better than a Dem in this case. He may not be that at all.
The Truth must be the result. Not try this in the media by propaganda.
These recent photos were posted in another FreeRepublic forum
“Zimmermans story has been consistent and oh yea TWO different investigations showed there was no evidence he did anything wrong.”
Actually, the lead investigating officer Chris Serino did not believe Zimmerman’s story and wanted him arrested, according to this:
Yes it does require such a consipracy, but it is effective nonetheless as evidenced by some of the moron freepers around here.
Doesn't look very menacing.
...appears to be a very different portrait.
>>Why all the hubbub?
Just part of Recreating 1968 for the nostaligic benefit of a bunch of self-worshipping Useful Idiot children who hated their over-indulgent mommies and daddies.
Don't need no Weatherman to see which way the wind
"Behind the Violence, Says Jane Alpert, Was Sex"
--November 09, 1981--
"The leaders of the Weather Underground, she believes, followed a similar pattern of constantly shifting sexual alliances..."
"He [Bill Ayers] also writes about the Weathermen's sexual experimentation as they tried to 'smash monogamy.' The Weathermen were 'an army of lovers,' he says, and describes having had different sexual partners, including his best male friend."
Source: New York Times, September 11, 2001: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
"...the Weathermen, when not engaged in group sex, committed such revolutionary acts as parading with a Viet Cong flag through a local park on Independence Day and spray-painting the walls of a high school with the slogans, "Off the Pigs," "Viet Cong Will Win," and "F#$k U.S. Imperialism."..."
"What happens next bears watching closely, as does the response of the president, ex-Speaker Pelosi, and others on the left. Encouraged by leftists in the Democratic Party and funded by left-leaning nonprofit organizations and celebrity contributors, Occupy Wall Street may in time morph into something resembling the radical factions of the late 1960s and 1970s."
You know, it amazing; when I first started posting about the Straits there was almost no news of the crime on the net. Now it’s everywhere. Everybody has it on their blog.
Yep, Obamugabe is a radical opportunist looking to foment civil unrest for political power. Evil.
What ABC footage are you referring to? Do you have a link?
I’d have thought that freeprs and conservatives would have stopped watching the likes of ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, Good morning America, Today show, Ellen, Oprah, late night shows etc .
It’s known that they tell lies and are biased and corrupt and yet you did, plus added to their ratings.
Seems you got taken in by them.
Just bidness as usual for the propaganda division of Lenin's Vanguard Elite - perched securely, temporarily, within their DC Monolith.
--12 Sept 2009, Washington D.C.; Useful Idiots within the MSM's Vanguard Elite look down upon some unexpected visitors to their fifedom.
"It's important to note that the vanguard elite are, for Lenin, not just a thoretical category to explain the development of political strategies, but a specific grouping of special individuals who must be identified and trained distinctly form the broad mass of the population"
--New perpsectives on anarchism
Special? No. We know they are but ridiculously pedigreed and inbred Vultures who facilitate anarchy and then feed from the rotting corpse of everything they infect.
And so the faster we can render them irrelevant, the better. Let them wave to the smiling backsides of our lifted kilts for a while -- before will rebuild a FRee American Republic without them.
What does this 13 year old brave black witness say??
I wonder, if Zimmerman is shown to be telling the truth, do you think he can bring a lawsuit against the media, or certain people in the media, who deliberately lied about details, or mislead the public, with the intend of causing him appear guilty; thus inciting many viewers and readers to make threats against him and his family. Examples of this would be the new black panthers putting a bounty of one million dollars on his head, calls to his home making threats...
When scrolling down this photo, at first glance that bike looks like a giant horned beetle going for Mr Zimmerman's head.
On a serious note:
That gash looks nasty. I thought it'd be lower down his head, not on top. The location is disturbing. I hope he didn't have a concussion and his neck/spine is fine.
I don't know if he can sue the media. But, I'm wondering why hate crime charges haven't been filed against the NBP, Spike Lee, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc.
Bowbama & Eric Holder, that's why!
Or the two white visitors from Great Britain murdered because they didn’t have enough money on them when he tried to rob them - or maybe just because they were white - by Sean “Savage” Tyson (a black by the way) in Florida a few days back - or student white John Sanderson, shot to death in his U of Mississippi dorm, by two black intruders last week - bigotry? double standard? racism? - you bet......
Libel is a defamatory and untrue statement about a living person or existing institution. Lbel injures reputation by exposing a person to public hatred, shame, disgrace or ridicule.
Libel is one of the most significant dangers in the media professions and for citizen-publishers.
A libel suit is a civil case (not criminal in the US or Europe). Allegations of libel in the mass media or on the Internet usually stem from articles that allege immorality, loathesome disease, crime, dishonesty or misconduct. People often sue to restore their reputations and to correct what they view as a falsehood, regardless of personal expense or the legal merits of their cases.
What is libel? The following elements have to be present:
1. Identification of a person or very small group of individually identifyable people allegedly defamed.
Note that there are two kinds of identification — direct (Per Se ) and indirect (Per Quod). Direct identification in libel names a person specifically. Indirect libel may be a circumstance or mistake that can be construed as holding a person up to ridicule, such as congratulating a woman on her pregnancy when she is not married.
2. Publication, broadcast or wide dissemination of defamatory material (Wide dissemination falls under libel; slander is neighborhood gossip).
3. Defamation, defined as untrue words that tend to harm a person’s reputation or expose them to hatred, contempt or ridicule. Defamation means that a statement actually harms the reputation of another person, rather than being merely insulting or offensive
4. Fault on the part of the publisher or broadcaster, such as negligence or malice. It can’t merely be false, as the court said in Gertz v. Welch (below).
5. Damages — The plaintiff has to prove they were damaged, either directly (loss of income) or indirectly (proveable pain and suffering). A court may also impose puntive (punishment) damages on a defendant found guilty of defamation. In other tort areas, such as copyright infringement, there may be statutory damages that are specifically set out in a law (statute).
a) special (direct) damages / direct quantifiable out of pocket expenses or losses
b) general (indirect) damages — compensation for non-monetary damages such as pain and suffering.
Defamation, libel, and slander are related terms that refer to harm done to reputation or character through untrue, twisted, or malicious statements. Issues regarding these concepts may be as simple as high school gossip or as complicated as corporate litigation for defamation. Generally, defamation is the act of harming reputation through untrue or malicious statements, while libel and slander are considered forms or methods of defamation.
Reputation is incredibly important in human civilization; defamation lawsuits do not merely handle the hurt feelings of a person or entity, but instead attempt to determine if there is grounds for monetary damages based on actual harm caused. For instance, if a person states factually to the media that all of the products sold by a company are tainted with lead, that company may lose customers and stock value even if the statement is untrue or twisted. If the statement could be shown to be malicious and misleading, the person making the statement could be sued for defamation.
Libel is the term used to describe defamation when it is made in print or through written communication. Generally, the information must be given to a third party and published publicly; a person usually cannot be sued for libel for something he or she writes in a personal diary, for instance. It is also necessary for the libelous statement to cause measurable harm. A written lie that causes no damages may be a violation of integrity, but is usually not grounds for a lawsuit.
all that about sex prompts the question..... how many kids and pregnant girlfriends does Trayvon have?
I couldn’t agree with you more. I likewise have not watched the old MSM in well over a decade and even Fox News doesn’t interest me much now. FR has become the number one place to come for nearly everything I want to know about. Even local events to some extent. Having multiple views from people of all levels of society and experience analyze and opine on the news of the day is 1,000Xs more interesting and informative than the old MSM and its plastic templated narrative.
Sorry that I missed that.
It is difficult, though. It requires that we pay attention, REALLY pay attention and give some thought to it.
And even then, we can come to the wrong conclusions. Good thing is, if one can keep an open mind to ones own inevitable fallibility, it makes the process easier.
At least we have some choices. With the MSM we have Pravda American Style.
>>how many kids and pregnant girlfriends does Trayvon have?
Good question. Has Grandma hired a franchise attorney yet?
1010RD makes a great point. The dissemination of information used to be the nearly sole province of "Big Media"."...Well done. Can you imagine what the narrative would be like had this happened before the Internet? If all we had were the Big 3 to get us information?"
Freeper conservatism_is_compassion has contributed some great commentary over the years on this subject, the bottom line being that there has NEVER been objective media, it is a myth.
The individual elements of the media would figure out what the message was, package the information into a format that would convey that message most effectively, and distribute it. It wasn't a monolithic enterprise where they were all faxing the talking points to each other, but when they all share pretty much the same world view, that didn't have to happen. The message would be uniform enough.
Actually, the wire obviates the need for any faxes of talking points. If you work for a newspaper which is a member of the Associated Press, you take on the mission of writing for the AP wire. And getting your reports shared over the wire and published by newspapers all over the country is a big deal for a journalist. To hit the big time, you need to please the journalistic community - and the journalistic community wants stories that bleed so that they can lede. They want "Man Bites Dog," not Dog Bites Man, stories.It doesnt take a fax of talking points to do that. But that does have political implications. If traditionally the important and prestigious jobs were done by white men, it is Man Bites Dog if a black or a woman becomes the head of Hewlett-Packard. If half the crime is perpetrated by the 10% of Americans who descended from slaves, then it is Dog Bites Man, and not jazzy enough to emphasize in the paper, if another black - possibly, tho we cant actually be certain at this point, Trayvon Martin - attacks someone of a different, or the same, race.
Man Bites Dog stories are inherently interesting because they are inherently atypical of what usually happens. And even if you didnt deliberately focus on the negative, sudden unexpected changes are typically negative - it is so much easier for a house to burn down than it is for a house to be built suddenly and unexpectedly. But the negative, and the Man Bites Dog, emphasis of journalism inherently tends to make news reports seem to constantly tell you that the world is in a mess and getting worse. And of course, Things cant get worse! is an extreme radical statement. What follows from it is (as Shakespeare put it), Desperate ills are by desperate measures cured, or not at all."
They have really exaggerated the intensity of that mark Phil. I watched the police video 4 times and on different sites and that barely shows up. Also, it’s not the ‘back’ of his head but up higher. No facial injury is apparent, no blood, even on his clothes.
He is also much slimmer and trimmer than the photo that has been shown all week, so that photo was as deceptive as Trayvons. Why was he handcuffed if the police considered him innocent from the start? I’m confused about that. I always take a ‘wait and see’ view.
Zimmerman call to SPD dispatch
I downloaded the call Zimmerman made to the SPD.
Ran it multiple times at different speeds to clarify hurried/unclear portions.
Following is my best effort at a verbatim transcript of the most relevant spots and their locations by time on the linked recording.
prefixes = @ minute:seconds_speaker Z = Zimmerman and D = Dispatcher
1:07_Z: he's got his hand in his waistband
1:22_Z: yep he's comin' to check me out
1:38_Z: these @ssholes, they always get away
2:07_Z: sh!t, he's running ..
2:09_D: he's running ? which way is he running ?
2:15_Z: down toward the entrance way
2:16_D: which entrance is that that he's heading towards ?
2:18_Z: the back entrance
2.22_Z: f**k it's cold [NOT coon/s as being ginned up by the enemedia]
2:23_D: are you following him ?
2:26_D: ok we don't need you to do that
2:38_Z: he ran
2:40_D: ok .. George, what's your last name
2:34 - 3:25 [back and forth re Z's name/address/phone & location of Z's truck]
3:27_D: ok, do you live in the area
3:29_Z: yeah, yeah
3:30_D: what's your apartment #
3:29_Z: it's a home, it's 1950 .. oh crap I don't wanna give it all out - I don't know where this kid is
[balance is D/Z working out where cop in transit should meet Z]
You’ve done a great/tenacious job with it .. thanks on behalf of anyone anywhere with a conscience !
It is all very easy to see in that light. I always boil it down to the fact they aren’t in the business to inform the public, they are in the business of making money.
That, and the power trip that comes to them from feeling as if they were having an influence on events.
Thanks for the excellent post.
Thank you, tom
101ORD makes a great point. The dissemination of information used to be the nearly sole province of "Big Media"."...Well done. Can you imagine what the narrative would be like had this happened before the Internet? If all we had were the Big 3 to get us information?"
. . . But we were a captive audience. And many people, no, MOST people trusted the media. They TRUSTED people like Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather to tell us the truth, and assumed they did so. It was only with the passage of time that we could look dispassionately on that time, and realize just what took place.
The Internet has changed all that. Personally, I have not read a newspaper, read a magazine (such as Time or Newsweek) or watched a full news broadcast in nearly a decade. I consider myself far better informed than the majority of people I know.
But that comes with a price. With that freedom of not being beholden to Big Media comes responsibility...the responsibility of having to vet information myself and not depend on someone else (such as ABC, NBC, CBS, NYT, LA Times, Boston Globe, etc.) to do it for me. And this is sometimes not only difficult to do, it is occasionally impossible to do, and I am left with having to make a best guess. And not being infallible, I make mistakes in judgement.
This is where a site like Free Republic becomes invaluable. Here, there can be generally open discussion about an issue. Many different people can view the available evidence and with a multitude of perspectives (some useful and some not so useful) an issue can be attacked piecemeal and broken down, much like a bunch of people with hammers and chisels working on a gigantic boulder.
I have found that on FR, any opinion or theory, no matter how crackpot or politically incorrect, can be promoted by a poster. However, I have also found that if you have a point of view, it is not going to be simply accepted as another valid theory, but can and WILL be deconstructed by participants. It is done with experience, humor, anger, insight, ignorance, bias, prejudice and wisdom. What results is, if not a good handle on an issue, is a wider perspective on that issue.
. . . It is both critically useful and maddeningly frustrating to approach the issues this way, but I wouldn't have it any other way. Thank God for this forum.
The wisest and most cautious of us all frequently gives credit to stories which he himself is afterwards both ashamed and astonished that he could possibly think of believing . . .
It is acquired wisdom and experience only that teach incredulity,
and they very seldom teach it enough. - Adam SmithPure and simple, we come to FR to pool our incredulity so that we can muster enough skepticism to have a chance at attaining a modicum of wisdom.
Excellent summaries all around and completely true.
Special thanks to you Jim. Without FReerepublic the conservative cause might have been lost or very, very limited. When I think back on a decade plus of aggressive resistance and skepticism and all the information we’ve brought forth - most of it deeply embarrassing to the liberal elite - FReerepublic is truly keeping the Republic free.
Best regards to all and again deep thanks to you Jim.
I will second that sentiment. Thank you, Jim.