Posted on 03/29/2012 9:23:35 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
International Debut for the Russian T-90MS Tank Upgrade at DefExpo 2012
The centerpiece of the Russian display at Defexpo 2012 is undoubtedly the T-90MS upgrade program developed by the Russian Uralvagonzavod corporation. The T-90MS upgrade was unveiled August 2011 at Nizhny Tagil, Russia following the demise of the T-95 program. It is making its international debut here in New Delhi. India is likely to be the most interested in the the Russian upgrade, put forward by Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport as a possible upgrade path for the Indian ‘Brishna’ (T-90S) tanks.
India is the largest operator of the T-90S, along with Russia. The Indian Army has fielded about 450 of these tanks, with 300 more on order. Other T-90 operators are Azerbaijan, Cyprus (45) and Venezuela (92). Earlier in 2012 it was announced that Algeria has bought 120 of these tanks.Additional 30 were acquired by Turkmenistan. These small deliveries could be the result of the collapse of the Libyan order, which was never fulfilled.
The Indian Army had planned to equip its 59 armored regiments with 1,657 T-90S main battle tanks, 1,000 of which were to be Indian-made. However, production and import of T-90S tanks has been slow, hence, the opportunity to improve the T-90 through the manufacturing line, maintaining the T-90 effectiveness for upcoming years. The T-90MS offers improvements in every important element – protection, mobility and firepower, in addition to improving sustainability and reliability while reducing operating cost. Since the contract was signed back in 2001 the Indian Heavy Vehicle Factory (HVF) in Avadi, Chennai has assembled only 150 T-90S (of a thousand planned). Implementing the T-90MS package will enable future production series to deliver better, more capable main battle tanks instead of gradually obsoleting platforms.
The proposed tank upgrades include improved automotive components, enhanced protection by
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I’m not Russian but lived and worked with them a lot.
As for a Cold War it took really few American lives, comparing to Independence War, WWI&II.
You don’t have that problem with Brits, Germans and Japanese who killed more Americans. Don’t you?
Yeah I do actually. I don’t have a problem so much with most I just don’t like the history of what England did in Ireland where my ancestors came from. I don’t like unrepentant Nazis and I especially don’t like the attitude of Japanese veterans and the Japan of today which still refuse to own up to what Japan did in the last world war and it galls the piss out of me when the Japanese start weeping and moaning about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You call 54,000 thousand American dead in Korea and 58,000 thousand dead in Vietnam a ‘few American lives’’? These were client states of Russia, armed by the Russians and these wars were fought during the Cold War. You’ve got a really screwy sense of history.
Cold warriors has really earned much respect but you can’t be stuck in a past forever.
History is not that monochrome.
People were cannibals at the time and your neighbours are their offsprings. You don’t like Ivans, Krauts, Japs and Englishmen. What about your neighbours?:)
You shouldn’t make generalization ‘’fish’’. I don’t like the attitudes of their governments on the issues I mentioned. Nor did I use the word “Japs’’, you did. I called you on your ‘’few American deaths’’ and you jump to a virtual ad homiemn attack. People are cannibals at anytime in history. I don’t have a problem with my neighbors actually. I notice you spell ‘’neighbor’’ with a ‘’u’’. You’re not American born, are you? In any event you’ve become annoying and boring. have a nice life ace.
Lol. Ok, whatever.
“Pakistan did not exist during the time of the Crusades.”
I am glad at least you know that much.
Btw there are white American Muslims in the US, they Saracens too? Lol.
In case you lost track of the logical flow of the argument on this thread, we are talking about Soviet/Russian equipments. US didn't really confront Soviet/Russian military hardware until cold war. And yes Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Somalia, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan aren't exactly giant superpowers. They ARE puny. And in a few of those places US actually lost the fight inspite of overwhelming military superiority and “crappy” Soviet weaponry used by the enemy.
A good match would be Americans using American equipments fighting Russians using Russian equipment. Anything less then that is not real contest IMO to judge which weapon is better.
I got problem with America? Please elaborate.
Charles Martel won the battle of Tours (France) against Moors. Ever wondered how the Muslims got that far inside Europe? That's right! Over Spain! Muslims had taken over Spain and were knocking on France. If that's not kicking butts then I don't know what is.
Same story with Vlad. The Ottoman Turks had taken over a good portion of Eastern Europe. And Vlad was actually imprisoned by the Turks.
The thing to note here is Muslims were stomping on Christian lands. Christians were not on Muslim lands.
You seem too worried about my “soft spot”. I am making arguments based on facts.... which aren't likely to change regardless of who or what you have a soft spot for.
FACT #1 Russian equipments are not all crap.... as many posters have correctly pointed out. Russian equipments make a lot of overall strategic sense.
FACT #2 Muslims did kick butt, which is why today they are spread over the vast expanse of North Africa, Europe, middle East and Asia. There is no disputing that.
Just because you don't have a convincing case to prove otherwise doesn't mean I have to mindlessly join your chorus of trashing everything you are biased against. Whether or not the Russian are enemies is not the debate here. Regardless, their weapons are excellent. If you don't think so, then try to make a stronger case against it rather then throwing out a lot of personal biases contrary to logic or facts.
You seem to be very dismissive of American equipment in favor of Russian crap. Thats right, crap. Like the Russian submarine the Kursk and the history of Russian nuke sub accidents like the K-19. The Russian supplied all the equipment to the countries you mentioned and the training. You want Americans fighting Russians, do some research into Korea where American pilots took on Russians flying Migs for the North Koreans.
Pal, you’ve got a chip on your shoulder a mile wide and deep. Why am I worried about your soft spot? because it’s obvious to me you’ve got one. Your entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. And the fact is for all your faith in Russian crap, no American soldier would want to use the stuff. Ask one.
I kinda new you were going to throw that pathetically strawman argument. Your responses are very much predictably stupid and unoriginal. For one, to assume that a few Russian pilots would have any effect on the overall outcome of a war is plain retarded. When I was talking about US vs Russia, I meant the entire Russian AF, military, their support, communication, network, command control and logistics to even out US advantages.
By the way Chuck Yeager and some US pilots trained the PAF and flew sorties against Indian Airforce in 1971. PAF still lost. And Korean air war wasn't even all one sided. USAF took some beating in that war. Might have something to do with the Russian pilots.
I haven’t followed the developent of the T-90 series for a long time. When did they stop using a cast steel turret for a more Abrams-like turret?
So far this is the only argument you have been able to conjure. Firstly I dont consider an average American soldier to be an expert in Russian military hardware.......let alone understand the overall strategic advantage (as opposed to simply evaluating the performance of the equipment), or understand the situations they are designed for or the doctrine to be applied to leverage their advantages.
Fact is a lot of Russian equipments have won foreign contracts beating comparable US contenders in the fray.
Because it’s cheap to make, cheap to sell and lousy to use. Do what I suggested to you pal and adios. You’re boring.
The argument is about whether or not Russian weaponry is crap. Get some perspective and work on your debating skills before joining an adult conversation.
And you are stupid. Get some rest.
As I’ve stated the history of Russian crap speaks for itself. You’re a child newbie, do some research yourself before YOU join an adult conversation ok? And go chill yourself.
Lousy to use makes it such an attractive deal! Right?
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