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Will Florida Prosecute Holder's People?
American Thinker ^ | 3-30-12 | Russ Vaughn

Posted on 03/30/2012 5:14:10 AM PDT by SJackson

For those of you who have been wondering, yes, it is probably illegal for the New Black Panthers to offer a 'dead or alive" reward for George Zimmerman. Over at Pajamas Media, J. Christian Adams, the former justice department lawyer who resigned in protest against Eric Holder's refusal to prosecute this same NBPP organization for voter intimidation in Philadelphia, has spelled out just how the hate group's actions may be prosecutable by Florida authorities:

So what crimes may have the New Black Panthers committed in Florida with their threats toward George Zimmerman?

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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1 posted on 03/30/2012 5:14:13 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
From the article:

Additionally, according to Adams, Trayvon Martin, himself, may have been in violation of an "oddball" Florida law which accords protections to those individuals engaged in neighborhood watch activities. The existence of such a law carries with it the possibility that Martin, whether or not he was otherwise innocent of any criminal intent, violated Florida law by aggressively challenging Zimmerman's inquiries.

I guess Tray can't be charged now.

2 posted on 03/30/2012 5:17:30 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian; maggief; STARWISE

Did you know about this law?


3 posted on 03/30/2012 5:27:48 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Maybe they can charge the thousands of idiots who have claimed, “I am Trayvon”.

Looks like his mother might sue them for trademark infringement, as she has filed for a trademark on the phrase. I guess the apple didn’t fall far from the tree.


4 posted on 03/30/2012 5:30:22 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The candidate I vote for will NOT have a CARE after his name.)
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To: SJackson

So far, the NBPP is playing with house money. They cannot lose no matter what they do or say. Should one of their outrages result in counter-violence by their intended victim, we’ll see how fast they run to the (in)Justice Dept. looking for protection.

They are loud and mouthy because no one has hit back yet. If and when it happens they will begin to learn the virtue of silence. A long overdue lesson, IMHO.


5 posted on 03/30/2012 5:40:08 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: SJackson
In announcing a reward for the seizure of Zimmerman, the New Black Panthers may have violated Florida Code 787.01. It makes it a felony to "by threat, confining or abducting, or imprisoning another person against his . . . will without lawful authority with intent to . . . terrorize."

Local newspapers are standing firmly with the lawless lynch mob - a group no different than the KKK. Why? Because just like newspapers did in the South's racist past, they STAND WITH THE "IN" MEME. When white racists ideas ruled - they backed white racists. When black racists ideas rule, they stand with them. Lowlifes.

6 posted on 03/30/2012 5:43:02 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
-- Additionally, according to Adams, Trayvon Martin, himself, may have been in violation of an "oddball" Florida law which accords protections to those individuals engaged in neighborhood watch activities. --

Here is that law:

843.20 Harassment of participant of neighborhood crime watch program prohibited; penalty; definitions.--

(1) It shall be a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, for any person to willfully harass, threaten, or intimidate an identifiable member of a neighborhood crime watch program while such member is engaged in, or traveling to or from, an organized neighborhood crime watch program activity or a member who is participating in an ongoing criminal investigation, as designated by a law enforcement officer.

(2) As used in this section, the term:

(a) "Harass" means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person which causes substantial emotional distress in that person and serves no legitimate purpose.

(b) "Organized neighborhood crime watch program activity" means any prearranged event, meeting, or other scheduled activity, or neighborhood patrol, conducted by or at the direction of a neighborhood crime watch program or the program's authorized designee. History.--s. 2, ch. 2004-18.

2011 Florida Statutes - Chapter 843 OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE

If Zimmerman's account is true, Trayvon was in the process of committing felony battery.

Trayvon was probably not committing an infraction against 843.20, because Zimmerman was not engaged in the organized neighborhood watch, nor investigating pursuant to an ongoing investigation designated by a law enforcement officer.

7 posted on 03/30/2012 5:49:14 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Right off hand did anybody find this 'oddball florida law'?

I hate references like that ~

8 posted on 03/30/2012 5:49:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GOPJ

So, how is that USAG’s investigation into the solicitation of kidnapping and murder going?

I’m holding my breath over here....

[thump]


9 posted on 03/30/2012 5:53:50 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SJackson

For anyone interested, the phone number to the Fla AG, Pam Bondi,is 850-245-0150. There is also an email form on her website to submit a complaint.... not enforcing the law is certainly grounds for a complaint.


11 posted on 03/30/2012 5:55:16 AM PDT by Snow Eagle ("... Against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC")
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To: GOPJ
Local newspapers are standing firmly with the lawless lynch mob - a group no different than the KKK. Why? Because just like newspapers did in the South's racist past, they STAND WITH THE "IN" MEME. When white racists ideas ruled - they backed white racists. When black racists ideas rule, they stand with them. Lowlifes.

I have a couple of issues with what you just stated.

First: You mentioned "local newspapers". In my humble opinion it is the "local newspapers" who are much more accurate in coverage of the events surrounding Trayvon's death. The National Main Stream Media are the people who are race baiting and intentionally distorting and inflaming this issue.

Second: Just what time period are you referring to about the Souths racist past? And the "South" in not the same in all locals. Such a broad brush painting of the South as racists is a distortion of reality.

12 posted on 03/30/2012 5:58:17 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
784.03 Battery; felony battery.--

(1)(a) The offense of battery occurs when a person:

1. Actually and intentionally touches or strikes another person against the will of the other; or

2. Intentionally causes bodily harm to another person.

(b) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person who commits battery commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(2) A person who has one prior conviction for battery, aggravated battery, or felony battery and who commits any second or subsequent battery commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. For purposes of this subsection, "conviction" means a determination of guilt that is the result of a plea or a trial, regardless of whether adjudication is withheld or a plea of nolo contendere is entered.

2011 Florida Statutes - F.S. 784.03

Or, if Trayvon was attempting to disarm Zimmerman, see this statute:

784.045 Aggravated battery.--

(1)(a) A person commits aggravated battery who, in committing battery:

1. Intentionally or knowingly causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement; or

2. Uses a deadly weapon.

(b) A person commits aggravated battery if the person who was the victim of the battery was pregnant at the time of the offense and the offender knew or should have known that the victim was pregnant.

(2) Whoever commits aggravated battery shall be guilty of a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

2011 Florida Statutes - F.S. 784.045

If Trayvon was alive, he'd be charged with a crime.

13 posted on 03/30/2012 5:58:47 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
Yeah, I don't think the law applies to Zimmerman in this case since he was not clearly identifiable as being part of a neighborhood watch, as he had no shirt or hat conveying such. However, it does mean that those engaged in watching over the neighborhood do have legal protections under Florida law, and diminishes the arguments of some that Trayvon had special legal cause to be aggreived by being monitored by Zimmerman.

But I doubt the shysters will be put off by these concepts. They are too busy pretending a man with a Spanish-speaking Peruvian mother is not a true Hispanic and that bashing someone's head against the sidewalk is not potentially lethal force.

14 posted on 03/30/2012 6:00:29 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Cboldt

Pam Biondi is a hottie AG with higher aspirations. It will be interesting to see what she does(or doesn’t).


15 posted on 03/30/2012 6:01:41 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: muawiyah
Your application of the law to the uncontested facts in evidence is incorrect. You can bluster and crank all you want, it just makes you look more and more foolish.

You've earned all the ridicule you get, and for every person reading your posts who comments, there are ten or more that detest you behind your back. You are a thug enabler. A bad person. Somebody that no decent person would want to associate with.

16 posted on 03/30/2012 6:02:24 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
If Zimmerman's account is true, Trayvon was in the process of committing felony battery. Trayvon was probably not committing an infraction against 843.20, because Zimmerman was not engaged in the organized neighborhood watch, nor investigating pursuant to an ongoing investigation designated by a law enforcement officer.

Agree with both assertions. Some are saying Zimmerman had no rights because he wasn't "officially" on-duty, but I don't see how a concerned community RESIDENT would not be allowed to watch strangers hanging around their home turf.

Hopefully (if you believe Zimmerman) It can be demonstrated that he made no hostile moves before Martin attacked him. What has come out so far seems to tip things in Zimmerman's defense.

17 posted on 03/30/2012 6:04:46 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Snow Eagle
There is also an email form on her website to submit a complaint.... not enforcing the law is certainly grounds for a complaint.

I filed a complaint about this through her website yesterday morning. Waiting to see if I get any reply.
18 posted on 03/30/2012 6:07:24 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
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To: dirtboy
-- ... and diminishes the arguments of some that Trayvon had special legal cause to be aggreived by being monitored by Zimmerman. --

Well, the people who argue that Trayvon has some sort of legal protection are wrong. Clearly wrong. The law takes a VERY dim view of the person throwing the first punch, and being followed at a distance is certainly not justification for approaching that person and cold cocking them.

Trayvon was committing a felony. Would likely have been plead down to misdemeanor battery, had he survived.

And there are people, I agree, who think the battery law should be stricken so people have a right to hit first, out of being annoyed or angry.

19 posted on 03/30/2012 6:07:39 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: DIRTYSECRET
-- Pam Biondi is a hottie AG with higher aspirations. It will be interesting to see what she does(or doesn't). --

She can choose the Nifong route, or she can choose to be objective. The facts that she is privy to will come out if she decides to try Zimmerman, and she will be as much in the spotlight as Zimmerman is now.

20 posted on 03/30/2012 6:10:55 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
The ONLY way Trayvon would have had been justified with his assault would be if Zimmerman actually did directly confront him in a beligerent manner, instead of just trying to follow Trayvon. From there, if Zimmerman brandished his gun, or Trayvon noticed the firearm and had concerns that Zimmerman was getting ready to draw it, he would have grounds to respond with force in his own self-defense, as this was NOT a citizen's arrest situation.

However, I have seen no evidence that indicates that Zimmerman is the one who turned this event beligerent. And since Zimmerman is the one who is in potential legal jeopardy, evidence has to be produced that he turned the event into a beligerent confrontation in order to counter his claim of self-defense. This law, although not directly applicable to Zimmerman, does show that Florida considers neighborhood watch activities to be subject to special legal protections.

21 posted on 03/30/2012 6:23:24 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: SJackson

I think Spike Lee and Rosanne Barr should be arrested as well for giving out information intended to harm innocent people. My Lord, giving out a home address so that the family can be harassed or maybe even killed. What gutter slime they are. What utter morons. Words can’t describe how digusting these two are and the rest of their ilk.


22 posted on 03/30/2012 6:23:39 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: Cboldt; All
Bondi has been a bit busy in DC this week. IIRC she is the lead AG on Obambicare.

OTOH her office should be large enough to multitask.

23 posted on 03/30/2012 6:24:46 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Cboldt

Martin was committing felony assault, with the stated purpose of homicide.


24 posted on 03/30/2012 6:27:21 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: dirtboy

Would it make a difference that Z is the “head” of his neighborhood watch group and was just on the phone reporting a suspicious incident. (Young man, not known in community, was not using sidewalk and street but was moving in and out of structures. Burglaries had been an issue in community)


25 posted on 03/30/2012 6:30:02 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama
From post 7:

or intimidate an identifiable member of a neighborhood crime watch program

I don't think Martin had any kind of outwardly-visible indication that he was on neighborhood watch.

26 posted on 03/30/2012 6:33:43 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Bitsy

Lee’s and Barr’s actions are the equivalent of an Imam’ s “fatwa”!
Issue the instructions to no one in particular, knowing “the faithful” will pick up the contract.


27 posted on 03/30/2012 6:33:57 AM PDT by Jumpmaster (Defund the Left!)
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To: Bitsy

Lee’s and Barr’s actions are the equivalent of an Imam’ s “fatwa”!
Issue the instructions to no one in particular, knowing “the faithful” will pick up the contract.


28 posted on 03/30/2012 6:34:12 AM PDT by Jumpmaster (Defund the Left!)
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To: Bitsy

Lee’s and Barr’s actions are the equivalent of an Imam’ s “fatwa”!
Issue the instructions to no one in particular, knowing “the faithful” will pick up the contract.


29 posted on 03/30/2012 6:34:12 AM PDT by Jumpmaster (Defund the Left!)
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To: dirtboy

We don’t know if anything was written on GZ’s jacket.


30 posted on 03/30/2012 6:38:40 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama
We don’t know if anything was written on GZ’s jacket.

True enough. The facts will come out, not that such matters to those who have already passed judgement on Zimmerman.

31 posted on 03/30/2012 6:44:06 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

IMO there is much more material that the public is not privy to. Here is what has been released:

http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html

Listened again to the 911 tapes early this AM. “John” who was interviewed by TV reporter and said he called 9-11 is not on the list. He gave physical description of both and of what he saw of the incident. Another caller mentions the “wrestling” and man in white shirt on top.

The young man whose mother is making the rounds saying her son saw nothing is supported by the call made by the boy’s sister. He can be heard in the background apologizing for not going to help the man yelling “help”, but his dog got loose and when he heard the gun went home. (Had someone call 911.)

Looked at the entire video tape (It too is on the page listed under “consolidated video”) No grass on back of GW, He’s cleaned up. Officers take several sacks (evidence) out of trunk. Are they GZ’s clothes?


32 posted on 03/30/2012 6:57:28 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Cboldt

she passed it to an underling. The current state wide prosecutor is a famous for prosecuting a 12 year old as an adult.

The sad fact of this case is that truth is no longer an issue, evidence is no longer an issue. This is ONLY about sacrificing zimmerman at the altar of hooddie racism.


35 posted on 03/30/2012 7:09:30 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: hoosiermama
Actually, one of those burglaries had been a home invasion. You have one of those happen in your neighborhood you'll probably want to go find out how many adult children the local Section 8 family has.

Surprising the number of visitors to such folk end up shopping at the neighbors.

We had a Iraqi defector (a former general) discover a home invasion in progress ~ a group of adult men were terrorizing his daughters.

He eventually moved away to somewhere else, but the police reported he did a great job in identifying and disposing of the invaders.

Did it without a firearm too. Iraq has always been a tough place at the top. The Section 8 folks moved away as well.

36 posted on 03/30/2012 7:15:48 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: longtermmemmory
-- The sad fact of this case is that truth is no longer an issue, evidence is no longer an issue. This is ONLY about sacrificing zimmerman at the altar of hooddie racism. --

Same was true for the Duke lacrosse players. Nifong pushed his case but without the benefit of supporting evidence. It got him just deserts.

The harder she pushes, the more real evidence does become an issue - and if she decides to press charges, she'll be cutting against the judgment of the law enforcement community that she has to interact with.

37 posted on 03/30/2012 7:20:55 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; windchime; ...

Florida Freeper


38 posted on 03/30/2012 7:21:12 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: dirtboy

Brother said last night that GZ was on his way to Target when the whole thing went down.


39 posted on 03/30/2012 7:29:39 AM PDT by ironman
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To: Jumpmaster

Lee’s and Barr’s actions are the equivalent of an Imam’ s “fatwa”!

then maybe Lee and Barr’s personal addresses and phone numbers should be published as well. fatwa begets fatwa.


40 posted on 03/30/2012 7:42:18 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: MrB

The Attorney General doesn’t have time to bother with a group soliciting the kidnapping and/or murder of George Zimmerman. He’s too busy going after the Governor of South Carolina.


41 posted on 03/30/2012 8:17:19 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Cboldt

She needs to prosecute the New Black Panthers.


42 posted on 03/30/2012 8:26:15 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: SJackson

I think that he is trying to be funny or making a joke. I also think that he knows the answer to that question, If he has the intelligence to go to the bathroom to relieve himself, he does. But just in case, the answer is not no, but hell no.


43 posted on 03/30/2012 9:01:31 AM PDT by sport
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To: SJackson
Uh .. maybe I'm missing something but the 'Newl Back Phanters' /s Wanted Poster states Dead or Alive (operatice word being 'dead') so isn't that Solicitation of Murder with that Million Dollar 'award' really a payoff for the killer / assassin??

And since the 'Newl Back Phanters' /s are based in Philly and Zimmerman is in Florida isn't that 'Interstate Solicitation' and as such a Federal Crime? Which would mean Eric Holder's DOJ should be on this like a ton of bricks and have every 'Back Phanter' ;-) locked up in jail and awaiting trial.

Now I'm suuuuure that Mr Law and Order -- Except if it's "My People" -- wouldn't ignore this just because he doesn't like 'white-hispanic-jewish people' and think George Zimmerman should get whacked for popping a cap in that little Gangsta Trayvon in self-defense.

No. Holder wouldn't do that. Would he?

Really.

I'm series.

Honest.


Oh hell ....

44 posted on 03/30/2012 12:09:08 PM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: Condor51

Not sure if the dead or alive poster is legit. If it is, we need an excise tax on hitmen.


45 posted on 03/30/2012 1:55:03 PM PDT by SJackson (As a black man, you know, Barack could get shot going to the gas station, M Obama)
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To: SJackson
From all I've read and heard that Wanted Poster is legit and the 'NBP' just upped the 'reward' to $1 Mill from $10K.

And for sure they have not denied that its theirs, which they would if it was phony. They'd blame 'whitey' or 'the jooooos' for trying to make them look bad (as if they need any help).

Plus I think the IRS sort of has an Excise Tax on a Hit-man's 'wages' already -- It's supposed to be declared under: 'Miscellaneous Income' ;-)

46 posted on 03/30/2012 3:36:15 PM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I wasn’t aware of that law either, but then I don’t go around acting like a perp or picking fights either! Getting to old and slow... Besides, an armed people is a polite people!

JC


47 posted on 03/31/2012 2:30:44 AM PDT by cracker45
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To: Condor51

I am waiting to see the first Wanted poster go up offering a reward for NBP members if Zimmerman is harmed. Oh, and it would be such a shame if some of THEIR home addresses got posted online...


48 posted on 03/31/2012 3:16:57 AM PDT by Have Ruck - Will Travel (Hmm, I wonder what would happen if I...)
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