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Chief Justice Says States Have Compromised Their Sovereignty
The New American ^ | 3/29/2012 | Jack Kenny

Posted on 03/30/2012 6:29:41 AM PDT by IbJensen

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The people of the states have voluntary given up their sovereignty. This statement is true and so is John Roberts statement although he is talking about a different set of states than what most people are thinking about. In the court rules, number 47, the court defines what states they have jurisdiction over. Absent from that list of “states” is any of the 50 states. The territories and federal districts, listed in rule 47, are the states John Roberts is talking about. So the court will rule in favor of the Act because that is historically what they have done in recognizing the power of the Congress over the states listed in rule 47. The Congress is the ruler of the states.

Kagan and the pencil-knecked Ginsberg have the demise of this nation in their sights. Kagan apparently fell asleep in most of her classes and her ignorance shows clearly.

1 posted on 03/30/2012 6:29:45 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

knecked=necked


2 posted on 03/30/2012 6:31:09 AM PDT by IbJensen (We now have a government requiring citizens prove they are insured but not that they are citizens.)
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—”We don’t think it’s in the court’s place to look at the budgetary implications,” Kneedler replied.—

I’m glad SOMEONE gets it. Their job is to look at the CONSTITUTIONAL implications, explicitly, and let the budgetary chips (and all other chips) fall where they may.


3 posted on 03/30/2012 6:33:29 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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There is hope in the number of states(29) that has sued the federal govt.

Now if we could only get 9 more, then all power can be taken from the govt. 38 states can throw out Congress, POTUS, over-ride the SCOTUS.

Ultimate trump card.


4 posted on 03/30/2012 6:35:09 AM PDT by bestintxas (Somewhere in Kenya, a Village is missing its Idiot.)
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That is all well and good, however the 10th Amendment to the Constitution states that any power not given directly to the Federal Government is reserved to the States.

How about we go back to that for a change.


5 posted on 03/30/2012 6:36:29 AM PDT by Lets Roll NOW (A baby isn't a punishment, Obama is)
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To: IbJensen

I’ve been saying it for a while.


6 posted on 03/30/2012 6:36:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: IbJensen

Ruth Bader Buzzi?


7 posted on 03/30/2012 6:37:00 AM PDT by csmusaret (I have kleptomania, but when it gets too bad I take something.)
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The States became wards of the Federal government in the 17th Amendment. You effectively went to a House of Representatives and a House of Super Representatives. The voice of the States was lost in the Senate.


8 posted on 03/30/2012 6:38:08 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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This problem started with the institution of the income tax and was made infinitely worse with the introduction of direct withholding. Once the Feds could rab all the money first evryone was put in the position of being supplicants on their knees with begging bowls.


9 posted on 03/30/2012 6:38:45 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Romney's judicial appointments were more radical than Obama's)
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The seventeenth amendment left the states defenseless against the feds.

And modern national media is able to influence senatorial elections (IE:macaca) so they don’t even truly represent the general populace of the state.


10 posted on 03/30/2012 6:39:11 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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"Once the Feds could grab all the money..."
11 posted on 03/30/2012 6:40:05 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Romney's judicial appointments were more radical than Obama's)
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Justice Kagan has compromised the Court’s integrity
by interrupting the pleading lawyer
IN A CASE FROM WHICH SHE SHOULD HAVE RECUSED HERSELF.

But the Court has no shame, and no interest
in integrity or Honor or truth or justice
or the American way.


12 posted on 03/30/2012 6:40:20 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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When Obummer told his audience “we are working under the radar” about gun control, I truly believe the Obamacare has much to do with this statement. If it is instituted we will find 50% of the causes of expenses are from not “eating your peas”. We will be mandated to eat peas. 30% is from being too old. Kill off the dross. 20% is from gunshots, so get rid of the guns. Now, we will all be happy and prosperous. This is mandated by the law you know.


13 posted on 03/30/2012 6:42:52 AM PDT by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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What Roberts is saying, is: 'You (the States) need to fix this problem, and we (the Supremes) are not going to make it any worse by validating the penultimate (Commerce Clause) intrusion by Obamacare.'
14 posted on 03/30/2012 6:42:55 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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Rule 47. Reference to “State Court” and “State Law”

The term “state court,” when used in these Rules, includes the District of Columbia Court of Appeals, the Supreme Court of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the courts of the Northern Mariana Islands, and the local courts of Guam. References in these Rules to the statutes of a State include the statutes of the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, and the Territory of Guam.


15 posted on 03/30/2012 6:43:16 AM PDT by DBrow
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The states DID NOT give it up voluntarily.

The states LOST their sovereignty when the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT began printing PRIVATE CHECKS (Federal Reserve Notes) as counterfeit and then CONFISCATED THE GOLD that was the only thing that might compete with FRN’s.

Once that was done, the Feda were free to print as much as they wanted, and bribe/coerce.force any state at all to do WHATEVER the feds decided was right, or what would bring them and their buddies the best deal.

Before the FRA (Federal Reserve Act), the STATES (the people) created the wealth and chose to (or chose not to) give it to the Federal Government).

After that, the Federal government (actually, it’s agents) created the wealth and made the States (the PEOPLE!!!) beg for it.


16 posted on 03/30/2012 6:45:13 AM PDT by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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This all began when the Senate which was suppose to represent the interests of the states was turned into a more elite version of the house.


17 posted on 03/30/2012 6:45:31 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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Did the states give it up or the Feds took it? There are a lot of state cases the fed’s overturned and took power. Also, the feds passed mandates on states and had to pay for them.


18 posted on 03/30/2012 6:45:47 AM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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Not clear to me just what Roberts means by this. Have the states forever forfeited sovereignty by taking fed cash, or is he saying the Court needs to start ruling against that?

Even Ronaldus Magnus stooped to this sneaky little maneuver to get the states to raise their drinking ages to please MADD.


19 posted on 03/30/2012 6:45:47 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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I think they believed they could effectively deal with it without the media sideshow that would have resulted from her recusal.


20 posted on 03/30/2012 6:46:56 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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