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Another $17 trillion surprise found in Obamacare
The Daily Caller ^ | 3/30/12 | Neil Munro

Posted on 03/30/2012 10:00:53 AM PDT by Nachum

Senate Republican staffers continue to look though the 2010 health care reform law to see what’s in it, and their latest discovery is a massive $17 trillion funding gap.

“The more we learn about the bill, the more we learn it is even more unaffordable than was suspected,” said Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions, the Republican’s budget chief in the Senate.

“The bill has to be removed from the books because we don’t have the money,” he said.

The hidden shortfall between new spending and new taxes was revealed just after Supreme Court justices grilled the law’s supporters about its compliance with the Constitution’s limits on government activity. If the court doesn’t strike down the law, it will force taxpayers find another $17 trillion to pay for the increased spending.

The $17 trillion in extra promises was revealed by an analysis of the law’s long-term requirements. The additional obligations, when combined with existing Medicare and Medicaid funding shortfalls, leaves taxpayers on the hook for an extra $82 trillion in health care obligations over the next 75 years.

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To: Neidermeyer
The highest current US denomination is $100

$1000 bills exist. They are just no longer in circulation.

assuming there is very little compression from the weight of the money

The math relies on .0043 inches, the thickness of a US paper note.

101 posted on 03/30/2012 3:53:54 PM PDT by South40 (Mitt is full of Shtt)
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To: presently no screen name

I doubt very seriously that 100% of Freepers would’ve voted for Ronald Reagan given all of his “faults.”


102 posted on 03/30/2012 3:54:37 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Nachum

This bill is pure treason.


103 posted on 03/30/2012 3:55:50 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: sam_paine
"100% of Freepers"

Nop, wasn't 100 percent - was 96% - the other four percent were self described 'libertarian.'

104 posted on 03/30/2012 4:02:41 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: andy58-in-nh
The entire GDP of the United States is currently about $14 trillion. The projected liabilities to be incurred as a result of ObamaCare are not only unsupportable, even in the short-run, they are entirely impossible without provoking complete economic collapse.

Can U say."Cloward-Piven?"

105 posted on 03/30/2012 4:33:47 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Qbert

Now that we’ve found out what’s in the bill,somebody get a rope....


106 posted on 03/30/2012 5:07:29 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Nachum

Isn’t that the GDP of the entire world?


107 posted on 03/30/2012 6:05:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: carriage_hill

googolplex — one followed by a googol (10 to the 100) of zeros...


108 posted on 03/30/2012 8:00:07 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Nachum

Obamacare... the gift that just keeps taking.


109 posted on 03/30/2012 8:01:15 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: Nachum
‘I guess its time to ask: What comes after Trillion? Zillion? BZillion?’ Silly rabbit. Everyone knows it is Gazillion.

It doesn't really matter because when it gets to that point, the exchange rate will be in cans of beans and Bic lighters. And that truth comes from someone who lived through it in Bosnia.

110 posted on 03/30/2012 8:12:00 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: sam_paine

Your probably right about that. We seem to have unusually high standards theses days. Very much unrealistic given our current situation.


111 posted on 03/30/2012 8:48:19 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Nachum

The US GDP is $14.6 Trillion. That means the bill is short by more than the entire amount of money the economy generates in a year.

That is like going to the grocery store for the month and spending $1000 but your income is only $500. And, you didn’t buy any gas, pay rent, nothing.

After a while, you would run out of overdraws to go to the grocery store and then you starve and die.


112 posted on 03/30/2012 8:51:14 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: Nachum
Just rename it “The Zimmerman Bill” and all of Obama’s supporters will want to kill it.
113 posted on 03/30/2012 9:09:25 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: sam_paine
I doubt very seriously that 100% of Freepers would’ve voted for Ronald Reagan given all of his “faults.”

You mean that divorced Hollywood movie star? The 'self righteous' and Rick would be beside themselves.

114 posted on 03/30/2012 9:32:06 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Kickass Conservative

LOL!! Good one!


115 posted on 03/30/2012 9:33:02 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Nachum

BOHICA


116 posted on 03/30/2012 10:08:15 PM PDT by Huskerfan44
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To: presently no screen name
Yep. And don't forget... Reagan was a DEMOCRAT!!!

Only a true Catholic saint, complete with holy miracle granted by G-d himself, is worthy of our vote. Any who do not meet this criteria is a demonspawn of SATAN and must be purged from existence.

117 posted on 03/30/2012 10:41:10 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla

There is no saint running - you need to change the channel or go back in your hole, you’ve been duped!


118 posted on 03/30/2012 10:49:35 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Looks like I forgot the [sarc] tag on my post.

I agree with your post... and was channeling the Saint Santorum supporter’s logic.


119 posted on 03/30/2012 11:18:13 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Nachum

Clearly, the healthcare bill only had one goal in mind from the beginning...

Overload the system, and over-regulate private enterprise to the point of nationwide economic collapse.

It was NEVER about health care.


120 posted on 03/30/2012 11:20:30 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: gogogodzilla
I started to respond as if you did put a sarcasm tag because that was how I took it at first - but then decide not to take the chance.

was channeling the Saint Santorum supporter’s logic.

LOL!! You did good - except you didn't call me a name. ;)

121 posted on 03/30/2012 11:51:32 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: FlyingEagle
I'm trying to wrap my head around this.

The US GDP is $14.6 trillion

So the US generates $3 trillion LESS than what Obamacare is worth so far

Looking around on the net, the TOTAL WEALTH of the US is around $50 trillion. (someone please correct me if I'm wrong)

$17 trillion is ONE THIRD of the TOTAL WEALTH OF THE US

The liabilities for Medicaid, Medicare, and SS, according to the article for around 75 years, is $99 trillion

According to the article, Social Security is already in debt for $7 trillion

The Fed budget is around $3.7 trillion, while only taking in revenue of around $2.5 trillion, making a deficit of around $1 trillion

In short, we are already broke, and couldn't even pay for future entitlements to begin with, BEFORE Obamacare

Is it not safe to say that Obamacare is not only unconstitutional, but mathematically impossible?

122 posted on 03/30/2012 11:57:55 PM PDT by abishai
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To: treetopsandroofs

My calculator just melted. LOL.


123 posted on 03/31/2012 2:55:59 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: SMARTY
“... entirely impossible without provoking complete economic collapse.” It is, and will be if passed, the same as REINVENTING the United States of America. This country will become what it was NEVER intended to be and what NO majority of it's citizens would accept if permitted to vote for this kind and scope of ‘change’. The Constitution, the courts, the Presidency, the schools and everything else will be hijacked by a tyrant who will answer to NO ONE!!!!

The healthcare bill NEVER was about healthcare, but the vehicle to assure the collapse of the nation so as to put into place the fascist regime to "save the people" from evil capitalism.

124 posted on 03/31/2012 3:18:39 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: Nachum; All
You might enjoy this:

(Vanity) On Beyond Zillion, by Dr. Sue-us (with a nod to Fredrich Hayek)

Cheers!

125 posted on 03/31/2012 6:12:37 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Nachum

1,017 pages of pure crap

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3200ih/pdf/BILLS-111hr3200ih.pdf


126 posted on 03/31/2012 9:08:53 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: thepatriot1

Quadrillion, Something, sextillion. Somehow I remember that much of math


127 posted on 03/31/2012 9:52:30 AM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: Nachum

128 posted on 03/31/2012 10:00:55 AM PDT by unique1
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To: Nachum

And the Federal Government while you’re at it.


129 posted on 03/31/2012 12:52:36 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

-——At some point, it is beyond fixing.——

We are past the PNR. ( point of no return )


130 posted on 03/31/2012 3:09:15 PM PDT by Popman (America is squandering its wealth on riotous living, war, and welfare.)
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To: Nachum

Print more money. More money. More money. That worked for Germany in the 1920s, and for Argentina in the 1970s. What could be simpler?/sarc with tinge of bitterness


131 posted on 03/31/2012 3:13:59 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: thepatriot1

Secretary Panetta recently told the President that two Brazilians had been killed in Afghanistan. Obviously distrought over the news, but distracted by the economy, the President said, “How much is a brazillion?” I think that’s the word you are looking for.


132 posted on 03/31/2012 4:03:08 PM PDT by foxfield
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To: abishai

The government is indeed broke.

It is impossible to continue. The farcical US economy will fail. it is only a question of when. The answer is: when people stop believing.

Pay off debt.
Collect from all creditors asap.
Sell fancy cars.
Simplify and go to cash or tradable commodities.
Arm up and ammo up.
Go to the Dr and dentist and get your check ups.

This will be 10 thousand times worse than a hurricane. Either the nazi commie progressives will take over by force, or the country will fracture into roving bands of mini-armies like Bosnia and Kosivo, to keep the gun and ammo trade, $5 gas, coke, meth and dope trade, and corruption going. Where do you think all that money went?

Just get ready if the supremes kill obama care, and Omullah loses the election, a race war will be the centerpiece of the violent political response, the Chinese will want their money back, and the unions will come unstuck, as will the welfare class when the free money goes away and economy deflates.

Look at what happened in Tunisia last year. Look at what happened in Argentina 10 years ago. That is what it is going to be like.


133 posted on 03/31/2012 6:01:51 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: Turbo Pig

Sorry but this country has not really lived by the constitution since before my birth (1944) if it ever really did. I see no chance that we will really return to it, even most who call themselves conservatives have never really thought about what actually living by the constitution would mean. I estimate that over ninety percent of federal activity would have to cease. I admit that is purely a seat of the pants estimate but I really don’t see how it can be off all that much. Most of current federal activity is supposedly justified by either the commerce clause or the general welfare clause and it all amounts to saying that the founders went through all that blood, sweat, toil and tears for years to give us this nation and this constitution and then in the end just said, “Oh, hell, do whatever you want to do, I am tired of it all.”

The first thing that would have to happen is that voting would once again have to be restricted to male property owners who can read, write and understand the constitution. Pigs will fly before that happens. We have supreme court justices now who cannot understand the constitution.


134 posted on 03/31/2012 6:56:39 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: thepatriot1

Actually quadrillion.

But the economy will totally collapse long before we get there.


135 posted on 03/31/2012 7:54:46 PM PDT by Gasshog (going to get what all those libs asked for, but its not what they expected.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

>>>The entire GDP of the United States is currently about $14 trillion. The projected liabilities to be incurred as a result of ObamaCare are not only unsupportable, even in the short-run, they are entirely impossible without provoking complete economic collapse.<<<<

At the risk of tin-foil hat time, that’s the only reason I can see for it. Sort of like Reagan’s plan to bankrupt the Soviets with the “Star Wars” missile defense shield, but this time there’s a section of our own society trying to take down the American government.

Then, as happens in all good revolutions, the crisis becomes the cover for the takeover.


136 posted on 04/01/2012 11:09:48 AM PDT by redpoll
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To: redpoll

I don’t believe tin foil is required. There is simply no there reasonable explanation as to why the radicals who control the Democrat Party are proposing increased (and escalating!) levels of spending and taxation far in excess of our GDP. Do they truly believe, all historical evidence to the contrary, that government spending can create wealth? They refer to such spending as “investment” - as though government had a first claim on your income - which, in point of fact, they do believe.


137 posted on 04/01/2012 11:53:27 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: redpoll

I don’t believe tin foil is required. There is simply no reasonable explanation as to why the radicals who control the Democrat Party are proposing increased (and escalating!) levels of spending and taxation far in excess of our GDP. Do they truly believe, all historical evidence to the contrary, that government spending can create wealth? They refer to such spending as “investment” - as though government had a first claim on your income - which, in point of fact, they do believe.


138 posted on 04/01/2012 11:53:44 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Nachum

Amen!


139 posted on 04/01/2012 6:07:50 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: thepatriot1

Geez, you sure are an ignorant Freeper. Don’t you know it is “Gazillion?”

Sheesh, doesn’t anyone go to school anymore?


140 posted on 04/02/2012 3:23:11 AM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Nachum
The government is involved. We KNOW what it will look like.

They do too.

141 posted on 04/02/2012 3:25:20 AM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: tomdavidd; Freeper; Gvl_M3; Flotsam_Jetsome; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; ...
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Check out # 25 , 34 , 38 , 42.

Then, # 124 , 133 , 136.

Graphic at # 141.

142 posted on 04/02/2012 5:51:36 AM PDT by LucyT
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bfl


143 posted on 04/02/2012 6:09:54 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

And we’re still supposed to believe we aren’t footing the bill for him and all his friends to vacation around the world or that we’re not paying for Moochelle’s wardrobe. Every time he writes a check, a good portion of it is sliding over to his personal bank account. He knows his way around a kickback just like he did when he was a young unknown junior senator who just happened to be getting the biggest kickbacks of all congresscritters from FannyMac.


144 posted on 04/02/2012 6:12:36 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Lee'sGhost
It would take six months just to read it, a hell of a lot longer to analyze it.

Sure, and he just scribbled the whole thing out one night before turning out the light. This thing has been in the works for years. We know Hillary was pushing it back during her admin, so who else was in on it?

145 posted on 04/02/2012 6:18:15 AM PDT by bgill
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To: geege
How can anyone believe he is leading in the polls?????

Here are two quotes from voting age white adults in Texas:

"But he's blaaaaack and he caaaaares about people. We don't need anymore old white men as president."

"Obama deserves another term."

146 posted on 04/02/2012 6:24:11 AM PDT by bgill
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To: thepatriot1
novemdecillion

Is that another name for the Nov. election?

147 posted on 04/02/2012 6:27:16 AM PDT by bgill
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To: South40
The math relies on .0043 inches, the thickness of a US paper note.

What's the thickness of xerox paper? Isn't that what they're printing money on now days?

148 posted on 04/02/2012 6:32:02 AM PDT by bgill
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To: andy58-in-nh; LucyT

“Plan “B” is for Obama to run against a “rogue” Supreme Court, while pushing for what he and his pals have wanted all along: a single-payer, government run health care system.

It does sound like a scheme hatched from the minds of Cloward and Piven, doesn’t it?

But here’s another possibility: let’s say that the Democrats had an alternate plan [Plan B above] in case ObamaCare was ruled unconstitutional. Okay - let us stipulate that they in fact have such a plan because they always do. “
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“THEY ALWAYS DO” -— Yes, they do!

Remember that they also

1) capitalize on events with which to CREATE crisis.
2) ALWAYS try to kill two or more birds with one stone-—always.

Your Plan B is as good as any reasoned guess (except for, perhaps, one or two caveats).

Finally, The Obama Adm was the one who pushed the timing of this case to SCOTUS. Mark Levin verified this. They could have easily delayed til closer to or after the election, so that no decision was issued until after the election.

I found that move very suspicious from the beginning. We may know more about their intentions by who of their appointed minions (including the MSM) says what and when. Already, the issuing of designated talking points and focus-group trial balloons has commenced to determine what “pig” will fly.


149 posted on 04/02/2012 11:34:15 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm; andy58-in-nh; LucyT
"We may know more about their intentions by who of their appointed minions (including the MSM) says what and when. Already, the issuing of designated talking points and focus-group trial balloons has commenced to determine what “pig” will fly."
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Here we go. Very hostile/threatening statement from the czar-in-chief:

President Barack Obama voiced confidence Monday that the Supreme Court will uphold his health care law in his first public remarks on the issue since the three days of oral arguments last week.

Obama suggested that the high court would be guilty of “judicial activism” if it overturned the law, and stressed that he believed the justices would see the individual mandate as an integral part of the law.

“We are confident that this will be upheld because it should be upheld,” Obama said at a joint news conference with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Mexican President Felipe Calderon.

Barack Obama: Supreme Court won’t overturn health care law
DRUDGE Headline linking the same article: Obama dares court to overturn healthcare law...
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President Obama preemptively slammed the Supreme Court as a bunch of "unelected group of people" who will have turned to "judicial activism or a lack of judicial restraint" if they decide to strike down his signature legislative achievement, the healthcare reform act.

Obama was speaking at a trilateral event with the Prime Minister of Canada and President of Mexico.

Obama: Supreme Court Striking Down Obamacare Would Be Judicial Activism [with VIDEO]

150 posted on 04/02/2012 12:49:19 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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