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Conflicting Stories by Martin Family About Trayvon's Last Night?
Friday, March 30, 2012 | Kristinn

Posted on 03/30/2012 12:41:49 PM PDT by kristinn

I don't know what it means, but this strikes me as odd. From an interview with the parents of slain teenager Trayvon Martin by the National Newspaper Publishers Association (NNPA):

Martin, Trayvon’s mother, Sybrina Fulton; Benjamin Crump, the family lawyer; Al Sharpton and former New York Gov. David Patterson participated in an exclusive 1-hour telephone conference call last Thursday with more than three dozen publishers from the National Newspaper Publishers Association (NNPA).

Martin told publishers how he learned that his son had been killed.

“I had been out to dinner. When we got back between 10:15 and 10:45, he wasn’t at home. The night before, he had been to the movies with my nephew, who had recently moved up to the Orlando area from Miami. Every time Trayvon would come up here, they would find something to do, usually they would go to dinner. My nephew is 20 years old, a very responsible young man. So there was not panic at that moment that he was not home. I made several attempts to call his cell phone and it was going straight to voicemail. I called my nephew’s cell phone and it was going straight to voicemail. So at that point, I figured they had been in the movies because they would always go to the movies.”

Tracy Martin and his girlfriend went to bed. But the next morning, the day Martin and his son had planned to return to Miami, he learned that Trayvon still wasn’t back in the house. Tracy called his nephew again, this time reaching him and learning that Trayvon wasn’t with him.

Today, CNN published comments from a Martin family attorney that seems to conflict with the account proffered by Tracy Martin:

During the 10-day suspension, Tracy Martin took his son with him to Sanford, about four hours away from Miami, while he visited his fiancée because neither he nor Fulton wanted their son to stay in his hometown where he could enjoy his friends, said Horton, who has been in close contact with Martin's father.

"He wasn't just suspended from school and up at Sanford kicking it and having a good time," said Horton. Martin had only been to Sanford a handful of times.

His fateful walk to the convenience store for a bag of Skittles and an iced tea on the evening of February 26 happened only because the teenager pleaded to leave the apartment, said Horton.

"The only reason he got a chance to go to the store is because he begged his dad to go," he said. At the time, his father and his fiancée had gone out to dinner and to watch a basketball game, leaving Martin at the townhouse, according to Martin family spokesman Ryan Julison.

While walking to the store, Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend, whom he had been talking to for over 6½ hours throughout the day, the family's attorney said, citing phone records. The girl, who did not want to be identified, said she told Martin to run, but he refused, the family attorney said.

What strikes me is the father made no mention of his son begging him to be allowed to go to the store in his interview with the NPAA. That would be crushing to a parent, if true. They would be guilt-ridden, thinking if only they had said no, he wouldn't have been out.

Instead, Tracy Martin says he was not very concerned about the whereabouts of his son until the next morning.

It strikes me as odd.


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1 posted on 03/30/2012 12:41:54 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn
I don't know what it means, but this strikes me as odd.

And that constitutes "NEWS" for sure.

2 posted on 03/30/2012 12:45:14 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: backwoods-engineer

re-read the post.


4 posted on 03/30/2012 12:51:53 PM PDT by Gettin Betta
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To: kristinn

Good point. Also, if Trayvon was more or less “exiled” to Sanford, so he couldn’t have fun during his suspension, why would his father allow him to go to the movies with his 20 year old cousin the night before and assume he was at the movies again, on the night of the incident? Has being “grounded” or “on punishment” changed THAT much since I was a teenager?

Trayvon’s father has lied before, first accurately telling the police the cries for help on the 911 tapes were NOT Trayvon and later (after meeting Rev. Al) telling the media and the lynch mob that it was “my son screaming for his life”.


5 posted on 03/30/2012 12:52:04 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The candidate I vote for will NOT have a CARE after his name.)
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To: kristinn

ya, interesting! One of the first commie reports said trevon bought skittles for his nephew [implying he had a little nephew at the house].


6 posted on 03/30/2012 12:53:46 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: backwoods-engineer

Thugs think they are bullet proof.


7 posted on 03/30/2012 12:56:51 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: kristinn

Why is it that Tracy Martin and other members of Trayvon’s family are doing countless media interviews?

What is their agenda?

Why can’t they just, like a normal dignified family, stay away from the media.


8 posted on 03/30/2012 12:59:47 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: kristinn

Oral statements, written statements, material objects such as a broken nose, grass stains and credibility are all meaningless in this controversy. What is of prime importance is keeping blacks at a fever pitch. The riots at the political conventions are too important to worry about such mundane things as evidence and proof!


9 posted on 03/30/2012 1:05:17 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: humblegunner

You really don’t know who you’re mocking here, do you?


10 posted on 03/30/2012 1:05:33 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: humblegunner

Thumper’s Mom: Thumper!
Thumper: Yes mama?
Thumper’s Mom: What did your father tell you this morning?
Thumper: If you can’t say something nice…don’t say nothin at all.


11 posted on 03/30/2012 1:08:34 PM PDT by McGruff (Sarah...Sarah...Sarah!)
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To: Uncle Slayton

Money!


12 posted on 03/30/2012 1:10:15 PM PDT by rocksblues (Obama, the biggest liar in the history of American politics!)
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To: jiggyboy

Well, kristinn is not a bad guy...he doesn’t bite...haaaaard...:)


13 posted on 03/30/2012 1:13:50 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Uncle Slayton

Why can’t they act like a family whose son was just killed? I have seen more emotion when a nail gets broken. Either way, if it was justified or not, would any normal parent being act this way? It sounds like these parents had thoroughly disconnected emotionally from Trayvon.


14 posted on 03/30/2012 1:16:11 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: biggredd1; kristinn

I read it was for his younger brother, maybe it said nephew.

And when the father came home - there was no police tapes around the shooting? He saw or heard ‘nothing’? He didn’t call his mother? When he got no response from his son, he had no compulsion to go look for him but go to bed and sleep soundly? What time did he go out for dinner that he came home around 10:30 or so? He left his son at home and didn’t invite him? Wasn’t the time of the shooting around 7pm? A walk to the store and back takes how much time? A half an hour at best?

I agree. His last account/report of that night is weak.


15 posted on 03/30/2012 1:17:47 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: kristinn

Where did the Skittle and AZ Tea story come from? Did anyone see the two items? Both are street names for drugs.


16 posted on 03/30/2012 1:19:58 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: kristinn

I’ve never read exactly why he was in that neighborhood.


17 posted on 03/30/2012 1:20:09 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: kristinn

One thing that I saw that doesn’t get much notice is why did Zimmerman have to leave his truck to find Martin? This is a development and he could have just followed in his truck. Then I saw somewhere Martin was going through backyards and not on the street. As a community watch would that not arouse your suspicions? What was Martin looking for in back yards during the several hours he was unsupervised?

New Rules for Criminals
1) Don’t wear hoodies
2) Case your marks from the street
3) Don’t attack armed white/Spanish people


18 posted on 03/30/2012 1:21:38 PM PDT by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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To: Uncle Slayton

How about their “family attorneys”. I’ve seen 4 or 5 different ones show up on various talk shows.


19 posted on 03/30/2012 1:22:33 PM PDT by sox_the_cat
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To: kristinn

this
“”The only reason he got a chance to go to the store is because he begged his dad to go,” he said. At the time, his father and his fiancée had gone out to dinner and to watch a basketball game, leaving Martin at the townhouse, according to Martin family spokesman Ryan Julison. “

The NBA all star game was played in orlando that night. Earlier reports said trayvon went to the store at around 7 pm before the game started and since the incident happened at around 7:20 that is consistent.

The fathr’s storeis are not

so when did he beg his father if his father was out to dinner? did his father go to the all star game? if so then he would have been long gone from the condo before 7 pm to eat dinner and get to a major game that started at 7:30

You are astute to pick up the differences in the stories.


20 posted on 03/30/2012 1:24:27 PM PDT by RWGinger (Simpl)
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To: biggredd1

Perhaps the 20 yr. old is mentally handicapped.


21 posted on 03/30/2012 1:26:49 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: kristinn
While walking to the store, Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend, whom he had been talking to for over 6½ hours throughout the day, the family's attorney said, citing phone records.

They've been lying throughout. I bet there aren't any phone records to back up this assertion. The guy claimed he had a recorded conversation. Then it turns out the conversation was one between the girlfriend recounting what she recalled and the "family" lawyer.

22 posted on 03/30/2012 1:27:24 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: RWGinger

Another story says the boy (or dad) had fixed supper before he went to store.

IOW dad and gf were out partying somewhere they did not or could not take Tray with them. (sports bar have areas youth can go to around here)

Boy rejected again.


23 posted on 03/30/2012 1:28:38 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: kristinn
You noticed that, too, huh. Far too many lies and far too many photo ops coming from that corner. What parent goes to bed without knowing where their kid is and not knowing if he came in that night? If the father's girlfriend lived in that neighborhood, then why when they came in from their dinner did they not know about the shooting? Seems like the entire neighborhood was all over it what with all the 911 calls and witnessing it and then the cops were probably there until late collecting evidence and reports. To me, that might be that the father never came that night.

The mother was saying the yelling on the 911 tape was her son but it was the caller's little kid, Jeremy (?). The call came after the shooting which would be after Trayvon was already dead.

I'm sorry for them losing a son but they're doing him more harm than good. Their lies and accusations are proving that he grew up in an environment that condoned such behavior.

24 posted on 03/30/2012 1:28:42 PM PDT by bgill
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I wonder how far the girlfriend’s townhouse is from the area of the shooting - if they would have had to drive where they would have seen lights and police activity - or if that was over by the time they got back.

Did they not hear anything about a shooting from neighbors before they began to make calls and try to find Treyvon? The little brother was left home supposedly, and heard no shots or sirens that he would mention to the adults?


26 posted on 03/30/2012 1:30:42 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: RWGinger
Earlier reports said trayvon went to the store at around 7 pm before the game started and since the incident happened at around 7:20 that is consistent.

Another story was that he went to the store during half time when the game hadn't even started yet.

27 posted on 03/30/2012 1:32:08 PM PDT by bgill
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To: hoosiermama
Where did the Skittle and AZ Tea story come from?

If he'd been drinking "Two if by Tea" this would never have happened...

28 posted on 03/30/2012 1:32:59 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romney - Santorum: Twin Sons of Different Mothers...)
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To: kristinn

Trying to get this straight.

Father wanted his son to stay in, but son begged to go to the store.

Father gave in to that pleading, but later claims that he wasn’t too concerned that Trayvon wasn’t back, because he figured he would be with the 20 yr old relative at the movies, because they would go to the movies whenever T was in Sanford.

Even after neither could be reached on their cell phones, Father figured their cell phones were off, in the movies.

Next morning he finally reaches the 20 yr old who informs him he hasn’t been with Trayvon, period.

But this all started with a simple trip to the store for which he had to beg permission?

What was assumed would happen after he got to the store?? In context you assume he would return back to the apt.

But it seems if the 20 yr old relative was involved...which he wasn’t...all bets were off, anything goes.

That sounds very strange.

Even if the truth, sounds like Trayvon was palmed off on a 20 yr old relative and his whereabouts not a concern to dad as long as dad could tell himself Trayvon must be with the relative.

The conflict is, the dad was so very concerned about Trayvon, the kid had to beg to leave for a brief trip to the store.

But after that, so what??? The 20 yr old will take care of everything!!


29 posted on 03/30/2012 1:33:13 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: shoff
The "backyards" in this complex are really common areas. With green grass - no fences - and a sidewalk.
 
I understand everyone uses these sidwalks to get around. Therefore GZ had to leave his SUV.
 


30 posted on 03/30/2012 1:33:46 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: kristinn
I saw a Fla newspaper article when this story started, that quoted Trayvon’s father as saying that he called the police the next day after the shooting...to see if he had been arrested.

It read that as he wasn't worried at all that he was gone all night, and that it was something normal for him to have been arrested.

Must be that happened alot.

31 posted on 03/30/2012 1:34:31 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: presently no screen name

The father wasn’t physically present.

He was in another location with his girl friend.


32 posted on 03/30/2012 1:34:57 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: Zhang Fei

The phone records were verified. She was cut off just minutes before the first 911 calls came in.

She says conversation stopped when scuffle started.

But she did report the verbal confrontation stating TM initiated.


33 posted on 03/30/2012 1:35:07 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: shoff

There’s a paved walk between the backyards - Zimmerman called it a cut-through. If Martin had visited a few times previously he would have known it.

If he really was an innocent boy unnerved by a man following him in a truck, it would make a LOT of sense to leave the road and take to the shortcut.

The aerial map of the neighborhood is available, you can google it.


34 posted on 03/30/2012 1:36:19 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: heartwood

Police were on scene until three AM IIRC

Map of facility with important areas marked was posted earlier today. Only a few threads on this so it shouldn’t be too hard to find.


35 posted on 03/30/2012 1:39:39 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: heartwood

I heard a rumor that they did not start looking in earnest for TrayVon, the No_Limit_Ne&&a, for 48 hours after he reached room temperature.


36 posted on 03/30/2012 1:42:06 PM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: hoosiermama

“Where did the Skittle and AZ Tea story come from? Did anyone see the two items? Both are street names for drugs.”

I heard someone say that on a talk radio show. Have no idea how to verify something like that. Interesting though.


37 posted on 03/30/2012 1:45:19 PM PDT by FryingPan101
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To: Responsibility2nd

GZ’s truck was parked between pool in upper left corner and “A” on street. Closer to “A”.

Girl friend house was at the bottom right to the right of the sidewalk that runs between the condos. “A” is at the top left of sidewalk.


38 posted on 03/30/2012 1:46:17 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama
The phone records were verified.

By the lawyer or the authorities? I know the lawyer claimed all kinds of things. Have the police confirmed that his statements are factual? He said that he had a recording of the conversation between Martin and the girlfriend. This has turned out to be false.

39 posted on 03/30/2012 1:49:44 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: FryingPan101

Go to google and type in drug street name for: each

You’ll get there.


40 posted on 03/30/2012 1:50:07 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Zhang Fei

ABC article said they verified the last call with company before publishing. They gave the exact time of the call. It was in a written interview with the girl. Her parents did not want any information re her name etc given out.


41 posted on 03/30/2012 1:53:04 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama
ABC article said they verified the last call with company before publishing.

ABC (specifically Matt Gutman) claimed falsely that it had a recording of the conversation between Martin and the girlfriend. Check out the link from my previous posting.

42 posted on 03/30/2012 1:56:17 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: heartwood

“If he really was an innocent boy unnerved by a man following him in a truck, it would make a LOT of sense to leave the road and take to the shortcut”. . .AND call the police to report some lunatic following him.


43 posted on 03/30/2012 1:56:44 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: jiggyboy
You really don’t know who you’re mocking here, do you?

Thor, the God of Thunder?

Osiris, risen again, whose opinion constitutes NEWS?

Why don't you fill me in.

44 posted on 03/30/2012 1:57:21 PM PDT by humblegunner
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“Trayvon’s father has lied before, first accurately telling the police the cries for help on the 911 tapes were NOT Trayvon and later (after meeting Rev. Al) telling the media and the lynch mob that it was “my son screaming for his life”.

The fathr smells money. Didn’t he just quit his job so he could get a cut of the profits from the Trayvon merchandise?


45 posted on 03/30/2012 1:57:43 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Zhang Fei

>>>They’ve been lying throughout. I bet there aren’t any phone records to back up this assertion. The guy claimed he had a recorded conversation. Then it turns out the conversation was one between the girlfriend recounting what she recalled and the “family” lawyer.<<<

On “The McLaughlin Group” Michelle Bernard, who is supposed to be a conservative, claimed to have heard the tape of Trayvon talking to his girlfriend. Of course, no such tape exists. When McLaughlin seemed unaware of the existence of the mythical tape, another panelist “confirmed” that there was such a tape.

She also referred to the cries of a “little boy” on the 911 tapes. First of all, it is pretty well established that it was GZ, not TM who was crying for help, but regardless of that, there was no “little boy” involved in the incident. There was a grown man and a 6’2”, 17 year old.


46 posted on 03/30/2012 1:58:42 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The candidate I vote for will NOT have a CARE after his name.)
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To: kristinn

Good catch.

(Seems like the attorney is up to something here).


47 posted on 03/30/2012 2:01:25 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: hoosiermama; DouglasKC

The whole thing is very confusing. So he was staying with his father and his father’s “girlfriend”? And the girlfriend he was talking with on the phone lived in Miami?

I find it hard to imagine that he was willing to do a 4-mile round trip on foot just to buy a bag of Skittles and some iced tea. (Reports said the convenience store was 2 miles away.)

I think he was probably just looking for the place he was staying - although it’s also certainly possible that he was up to no good, based on what we have heard about his past. But I don’t think in any case he should have been shot and it seems to me that there was negligence on the part of the HOA by letting an armed person patrol for them.

Martin probably did attack Zimmerman, because it sounds as if, like many kids from his background, he had a hair-trigger temper and also he could see that Zimmerman was going to be a pretty easy target (smaller, overweight, etc.). Zimmerman shouldn’t have been armed in that capacity, but he was and it was legal - and if Martin tried to grab his gun, Zimmerman was defending himself when he shot.

The problem is that Obama and the race-baiters don’t want a reasonable negligence settlement. They want nothing less that Zimmerman’s head on a platter.


48 posted on 03/30/2012 2:01:31 PM PDT by livius
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To: Zhang Fei

Not the same article/author. Published before parents lawyered up.


49 posted on 03/30/2012 2:02:32 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: humblegunner

I’d like to draw your attention to the topic selected for this post: YourOpinion/Questions. The topic is an option in the News section. This is an opinion/question on current top news event. Thank you for bumping the thread.


50 posted on 03/30/2012 2:05:33 PM PDT by kristinn (Dump the Chump in 2012)
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