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Posted on 03/30/2012 6:35:44 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/03/29/20120329texas-sovereign-citizens-continue-year-standoff.html


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: dissent; extremist; paranoia
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To: Monorprise
Waco Electronic Museum Start there...
51 posted on 03/30/2012 9:46:37 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: mrsmel

“What do you think the government would do in the remote case that significant numbers of people starting taking this “sovereign citizen” stance? I know it’s not likely, but at least it’s a realistic course of action and could be done, as shown by those doing it.”

I doubt it would ever come to that, in a few isolated cases where the guy is willing to live like a hermit in the wilderness like this one you can just leave em well enough alone.

But when you start getting people engaged with our civilization buying, selling, and using the public road & utility system allowing them to simply ignore the law is a threat to the rights of every around them with whom they deal. Leaving them alone thus becomes an unacceptable stances for rather obvious reasons.

So the answer your question, no it could not come to that because there simply aren’t enough people in situation where they can live like a hermit like this man. And even if there were, odds are few wise authorities would take note. Their “protest” would largely fall on deaf ears, just as this man’s protest has.

A solution to the scale of the Federal problem is going to require organization on a massive State sized scale to even have a serous enough impact to take notice.

Then to win over public opinion which will be essential to victory your going to have to lul them into looking evil.

This is regretfully something hermit sovereign citizen like this man are least capable of doing of all people.


52 posted on 03/30/2012 9:54:23 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: dragnet2

He believes government has taken away too many of his God-given rights.

________________________

He DOES have a point...


53 posted on 03/30/2012 9:54:23 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: dragnet2

He believes government has taken away too many of his God-given rights.

________________________

He DOES have a point...


54 posted on 03/30/2012 9:54:46 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Monorprise
Waco is a little more fuzzy a no doubt serous problem of an overaggressive government, but no where near as sick as the Ruby Ridge murders.

Uh, no.

55 posted on 03/30/2012 9:54:53 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Monorprise
Waco is a little more fuzzy a no doubt serous problem of an overaggressive government, but no where near as sick as the Ruby Ridge murders.

Uh, no.

56 posted on 03/30/2012 9:56:34 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Repeat Offender

???

What are you smoking? Next-to-last stanza, near the bottom.

‘Like A Rolling Stone’ lyrics (1965, about 4 years before Roger Miller first recorded Kris Kristofferson’s ‘Me & Bobby McGee’)

Once upon a time you dressed so fine
Threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn’t you ?
People’d call, say, “Beware doll, you’re bound to fall”
You thought they were all kiddin’ you
You used to laugh about
Everybody that was hangin’ out
Now you don’t talk so loud
Now you don’t seem so proud
About having to be scrounging for your next meal.

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be without a home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?

You’ve gone to the finest school all right, Miss Lonely
But you know you only used to get juiced in it
Nobody has ever taught you how to live on the street
And now you’re gonna have to get used to it
You said you’d never compromise
With the mystery tramp, but now you realize
He’s not selling any alibis
As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
And say do you want to make a deal?

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
A complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?

Ah! you never turned around to see the frowns on the jugglers and the clowns
When they all come down and did tricks for you
[ From: http://www.elyrics.net/read/b/bob-dylan-lyrics/like-a-rolling-stone-lyrics.html ]
You never understood that it ain’t no good
You shouldn’t let other people get your kicks for you
You used to ride on the chrome horse with your diplomat
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat
Ain’t it hard when you discover that
He really wasn’t where it’s at
After he took from you everything he could steal.

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?

Princess on the steeple and all the pretty people
They’re all drinkin’, thinkin’ that they got it made
Exchanging all precious gifts
But you’d better take your diamond ring, you’d better pawn it babe
You used to be so amused
At Napoleon in rags and the language that he used
Go to him now, he calls you, you can’t refuse
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
You’re invisible now, you got no secrets to conceal.

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?


57 posted on 03/30/2012 9:57:33 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Repeat Offender

Ooops..
You were referring specifically to “...freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.....”

Yep, that’s strictly Bobby McGee.
Nevermind!


58 posted on 03/30/2012 10:02:28 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: mrsmel
Remember this?

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/swat-team-fired-shots-in-raid/article_d7d979d4-f4fb-5603-af76-0bef206f8301.html

That's what they would do in most cases, except it would be handled by federal rather than local murder teams.
59 posted on 03/30/2012 10:07:46 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Monorprise

If it will take large scale opposition and organisation, I don’t see how it can ever happen then. Way too may people are perfectly satisfied to bend the knee to government as long as they get freebies and perks. Government has a nice little racket going of buying people’s birthright of freedom for a mess of pottage (and the idiots are only too happy to sell it). Then after having sold their birthright for the mess of pottage, and having eaten the pottage, they have neither. I suppose all the “freedom of perversion” of various kinds keeps them in a stupified state of submission, after that.


60 posted on 03/30/2012 10:12:26 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Trod Upon

I’d never heard about this one. Skimmed article, going to fully read. Thanks for the link.


61 posted on 03/30/2012 10:17:27 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: GeronL

You probably get put on a watch list if you visit that website.


62 posted on 03/30/2012 10:23:06 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I’m sorry but I really can’t take the word of the Waco holocaust electronic museum as in anyway authoritative.

From what i read its not unreasonable to expect a cult which seemed to exist among the Davidians to commit mass-suicide. That being said I have no idea what happened, and i agree the U.S. Government had no little to no legitimate business being there certantly not in the numbers and forces which were present.

What I do know of Ruby ridge is that the Local & State authorities were indeed outraged by what the Feds did there. So outraged that they ended up filing murder charges against the Federal Snipers.


63 posted on 03/30/2012 10:27:10 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: smokingfrog

the folks at the SPLC see neo-nazi’s under their bed at night & have stated that the AMERICAN LEGION IS A HATE GROUP. These folks are denser than a great big box of depleted uranium.


64 posted on 03/30/2012 10:37:13 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Nebr FAL owner
[SPLC] folks are denser than a great big box of depleted uranium.

And some of the nastiest human beings you'd ever not want to be in the same room with.

65 posted on 03/30/2012 10:49:43 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Nebr FAL owner
Morris Dees of Montgomery, AL founded the Southern Poverty Law Center in 1971 -- primarily as a "get rich quick" scheme.

He reasoned that rich liberals suffering from "white guilt syndrome" could be readily fleeced by aggressive fund-raising tactics.

And it worked like a charm. SPLC is awash in cash. It's primary business is fund-raising, not legal representation. Thus, the dramatic over-wrought assertions that organizations like the American Legion are potentially "domestic terrorists".

That's the kind of crap that causes their zealous contributors to open the checkbook.

As a "non-profit" (smirk), they also get their share of government grants.

It's a nasty operation, founded and run by nasty people.

66 posted on 03/30/2012 10:58:39 PM PDT by okie01
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To: okie01

There’s a few losers here that like to post SPLC propaganda. Mostly trying to discredit anti-illegal immigration groups.


67 posted on 03/30/2012 11:01:28 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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To: Monorprise
The Branch Davidian is/was a branch of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. While the beliefs of the members may not have been 'mainstream', the relative isolation of the group made them easy prey for sensationalist reporters who just happened to time allegations of child abuse with the raid. How convenient.

Ever think that the BATF has diddley squat to do with the jurisdiction of Texas Child Protective Services?

How about that the CPS had twice investigated the Mt. Carmel facility and found no evidence of wrongdoing? (I'm not saying they can't be fooled, but it's pretty hard to come up completely clean.)

But all you have to do to read a variety of sources on the massacre is to type in "Waco" in the search function on this website, and keep hitting 'next page' at the bottom.

Numerous articles and a great deal of discussion will be at your fingertips.

If you are willing to look.

Both Waco and the Gordon Kahl incident have something in common: Armed Federal Agents attacked American Citizens when they could have arrested persons of interest without the armed assault if they had done a smidgin of surveillance and chose an opportunity which gave them a tactical advantage, very likely with no gunplay at all.

Instead, they opted to go for headlines, and a lot of people got (unnecessarily) killed.

In Weaver's case, it is pretty obvious the gambit was entrapment and trying to turn him as an informant, then when he refused and discovered surveillance led to confrontation, the rest of the standoff ensued.

In the Kahl incident, agents attacked Kahl and his son on the roadside--only Gordon was armed, and the attack did not go well.

At Waco, the agents opted for a grandstand assault, complete with media coverage, after the operation was 'blown' (a news crew asked one of the Davidians where the location was so they didn't miss the big raid, he called home, and the line was tapped. Operational security had been lost, and the raiders knew it.).

Both Kahl and Koresh could have been apprehended in town, by themselves, Kahl at the Medina, ND barber shop, Koresh while jogging, without involving others.

Don't expect to get the details from the same media which still doesn't tell anything aproaching the truth; they were in the bag for Clinton and Janet Reno just as much as Obama.

If you do the research, not just into the raids, but into the aftermath for survivors, you will find the surviving Davidians fared far worse than the surviving Weavers.

Both were egregious abuses of power, poorly planned and executed, which led to the killing of innocents--and none more innocent than the children at Waco.

68 posted on 03/31/2012 1:50:45 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Lancey Howard

Amazing.

Other than the refrain, I had no clue what the lyrics to that song are. And I love that song.

Thank you.


69 posted on 03/31/2012 5:33:39 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

You’re welcome.
I have been a Bob Dylan fan for 45 years. He is the real deal.


70 posted on 03/31/2012 11:31:26 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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