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TV ad shows danger of 'invisible secondhand smoke'
BBC News ^ | 03/31/2012 | BBC News

Posted on 03/31/2012 1:50:13 AM PDT by EnglishCon

Making houses and cars smokefree is the only way to protect children from second-hand smoke, according to a new government campaign in England.

The TV and radio adverts show how pervasive invisible second-hand smoke can be.

Breathing it in can damage lungs and cause cancers, research has shown.

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The Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health said it wanted to see smoking in cars made illegal, when children are present. "I have no doubt an outright ban on smoking in cars would have the same positive results [as banning drink-driving]” - Prof Terence Stephenson Royal College of Paediatrics & Child Health

Professor Terence Stephenson, President of the RCPCH, said: "The state does have a duty to protect children's health and intervene where necessary.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 1984; antitobaccoscam; ban; cars; children; england; health; homes; ingsoc; insanity; nannystate; orwell; secondhandsmoke; shs; smoking; ungland
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To: EnglishCon
I can not drop off or pick up my grandkids from play group. Because I am male. That is not an assumption, that is a direct quote from the playgroup leader.

That's when you tell him that you don't accept the authority of someone ignorant enough not to know most of those kids live with, gasp, males, to make or enforce rules of any kind.

51 posted on 03/31/2012 9:00:51 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


52 posted on 03/31/2012 9:07:54 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: EnglishCon

Got no scientific proof here . . . but my dad smoked constantly (a pipe, not cigarettes) and I was sick for weeks every winter with bronchitis. (I would miss school for a couple of weeks at a time, even taking boatloads of antibiotics. Nowadays, they probably wouldn’t let me move up a grade for missing too much time!) When I moved away and went to college, with no smoking in my dorm room . . . my every-winter bronchitis went away! Like magic!

Adults can choose to live, or not live, with a smoker. Kids don’t have that luxury. It’s not really fair to make your kids endure your smoke for the sake of your convenience.


53 posted on 03/31/2012 10:56:03 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (If you back Newt . . . then SEND HIM MONEY!! "Be Breitbart, Baby!")
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To: EnglishCon

I am convinced second hand smoke is good for you in the way that small amounts of influenza strain are good for you. It acts as immunization.


54 posted on 03/31/2012 11:23:36 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Still Thinking

Unfortunately it is a very good playgroup otherwise, and easy walking distance for the kids.

The group leader just takes her responsibility seriously - there was a sex abuse case last year in the other local playgroup, which was forced to close.

I just go down with a neighbor, and she brings mine out with hers.


55 posted on 03/31/2012 11:44:23 PM PDT by EnglishCon (Gingrich/Santorum 2012.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Tell me about it. My road tax doubled overnight. It used to be based on engine size, now it is emissions, and God help you if your car fails it’s emissions test.

Now they are privatizing the highways that our taxes paid for and turning them into toll roads. In private hands, of course.


56 posted on 03/31/2012 11:53:39 PM PDT by EnglishCon (Gingrich/Santorum 2012.)
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To: EnglishCon

Second-hand Socialism also kills and confines.


57 posted on 04/01/2012 12:01:25 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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To: EnglishCon
The Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health said it wanted to see smoking in cars made illegal, when children are present. "I have no doubt an outright ban on smoking in cars would have the same positive results [as banning drink-driving]” - Prof Terence Stephenson Royal College of Paediatrics & Child Health

Why stop there? Lock up mothers who smoke while they are pregnant and those who'd seek to murder their babies with abortion chemicals.

58 posted on 04/01/2012 12:02:51 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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To: EnglishCon

What am I saying, I was thinking medical professionals actually CARED about kids.


59 posted on 04/01/2012 12:03:35 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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To: a fool in paradise

Ha! Loved that one! The laugh was much needed today.


60 posted on 04/01/2012 12:23:23 AM PDT by EnglishCon (Gingrich/Santorum 2012.)
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To: EnglishCon
Second hand smoke only took about a year to ruin my Sony 50" rear screen projection. It looks like shit now, even with a new bulb. The smoke got to the optical block and now there's no brilliance. I hate being around smokers. After the other half kills herself, I'll never live with it again!

But that doesn't mean I think the government has any business with it.

You have to be a MORON to pay $7 a pack, but intelligence can't be legislated.

61 posted on 04/01/2012 12:30:52 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Slump Tester

Exactly. It is a fithly, stinking habit, with no obvious benefits and some risks. But it is legal, and therefore a matter of personal choice.

$7 a pack? That is dirt cheap. It’s around $10 per pack here (£6.80 on average). Five years ago it was £3.20.
Our dear leaders discovered that doing a big push to get people to quit smoking worked. So they had to really jack up the tax on the ones left to make up the tax shortfall.
Now I don’t know what you guys call them, but we call someone who makes money off another’s addiction a dealer.


62 posted on 04/01/2012 12:42:19 AM PDT by EnglishCon (Gingrich/Santorum 2012.)
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To: EnglishCon

The worry over second hand smoke is bogus. I grew up in a household of smokers. My lungs are perfect and I am 70+.


63 posted on 04/01/2012 4:39:29 AM PDT by Rapscallion (The corruption and mismanagement persist because YOU tolerate it.)
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To: EnglishCon
Forget the camels nose in the tent, the entire herd is in here.

LOL!

64 posted on 04/01/2012 5:37:47 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The Democrat Ku Klux Klan is alive and well as the NAACP and the Congressional Black Caucus)
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To: EnglishCon

After practicing medicine for 36 years this is what I have observed:

*A very few people can smoke like a chimney and exhibit no ill effects. I suspect that this is genetic since most of them provide a history that their parents smoked and lived past 80.

*The majority of people who smoke will exhibit decreased lung function after about 20 years of smoking. If they continue to smoke their lung function will continue to deteriorate.

*Some people have poor lung function regardless of tobacco use. If they smoke it only makes things worse.

If we graphed my statements they would resemble the Bell Curve just like most things in Nature.

All this being said, I am not in favor of anyone using tobacco in any form. Why take the chance?

OTOH, it is none of the gubbmint’s business. If you want to smoke, have at it. Its your life. Just don’t expect me to feel sorry for you when you develop COPD or lung cancer.


65 posted on 04/01/2012 9:51:31 AM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Still Thinking
the risk increases from 1 in 100 million to, gasp, 10 in 100 million

Yep. When the left decided to dumb us down, I think they started with math. The most elementary statistics is unknown to seemingly everyone these days.

66 posted on 04/01/2012 2:13:57 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: boomop1

The same guy is assigned to me...he must be on roller skates.


67 posted on 04/01/2012 3:49:03 PM PDT by Postman
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To: 43north
Yep 43North. I'm a non smoker MD, too. And your statistics are right. I'm sure you've seen the graph of smokers and lung capacity. Some people can "handle" it but there's a subset that REALLY goes down at about 40 pack-years. I think it's the double hit hypothesis, otherwise there wouldn't be such a huge gap in smoking related deaths. The 90 year old still-puffer, vs. Susan Oliver (the green chick in Star Trek) at 50. And then there are the complete mysteries, like Andy Kaufman. He only smoked when he was portraying Tony Clifton. Other than that he was a TM-loving health freak. Dead at 35 from lung CA. Sorry, no sale that it was "second-hand" smoke in clubs that got him. I don't think SHS is necessarily "safe", but if it were THAT deadly, KIDS would have lung CA.

But I still fully support businesses and adults making the decision for themselves. Nobody gets out alive.

68 posted on 04/01/2012 5:56:40 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: EnglishCon

The government never stops its tyrannical advance. Never!


69 posted on 04/02/2012 8:58:20 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: EnglishCon

“I have seen evidence that second hand smoke has an effect”

Actually it has a positive effect. Think of it as a vaccination process for the lungs. As proof you can simply look at the skyrocketing asthma and allergy rates in children today, which seems to be very much in line with with reduced exposure to tobacco smoke.

In fact the WHO proved that exposure to second hand smoke has positive correlations to the reductions of cancer and other ailments. Check out the DaveHitt link posted earlier in this thread for the actual study.


70 posted on 04/02/2012 9:05:37 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Slump Tester

Wow. It has been a long time since I heard such bitterness by a FReeper against his/her spouse. What is truly sad is that you valued the TV above her. Go back and read your post..you may want to reconsider.

To summarize, this is how it reads to an ousider, “I hate being around my wife and can’t wait till she dies so that I don’t have to be around her any more. Plus she is a moron!”

The bitterness is simply astounding.


71 posted on 04/02/2012 9:21:33 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM
What utter BS! I'm sick of the wasted money and watching her kill herself, sick of the coughing so hard she pukes or pisses herself then watching her light up right afterwards. All I said was I'll never have another woman who smokes.

Take your psychoanalysis over to DU - There are lots of other morons there who think just like you.

72 posted on 04/03/2012 7:17:41 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: EnglishCon

Ooooh....invisible double-secret second-hand smoke.


73 posted on 04/03/2012 7:23:15 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: CSM

Well possibly, but then there are other possible reasons why asthma is on the increase - a general increase in atmospheric pollutants of all kinds over the same time period being an obvious one.


74 posted on 04/03/2012 7:37:41 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Slump Tester

Your response contains more bitterness. I could not even fathom discussing anyone I love with the tone of bitterness that you are using. She is your wife and your opinion is all that really matters, mine is irrelevant. That said, you should really re-read your postings and consider if you are happy saying these things to strangers about someone that you have vowed to love and cherish, “for better or worse.”


75 posted on 04/04/2012 6:45:40 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Vanders9

I agree that there could be many reasons, however the anti-tobacco zealouts use correlation as causation all the time, so my point is that what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

;-)


76 posted on 04/04/2012 6:47:35 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM

True enough.


77 posted on 04/04/2012 9:05:26 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: EnglishCon

According to the World Health Organization’s study of secondhand smoke, it either has no effect or a protective effect. The results were so different from what they expected that they didn’t make a big deal over them.


78 posted on 04/04/2012 9:10:29 AM PDT by aruanan
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