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Mitt Romney’s ‘veepstakes’ begin
The Washington Post ^ | March 30,2012 | Philip Rucker

Posted on 03/31/2012 5:52:33 AM PDT by no dems

APPLETON, Wis. — Mitt Romney’s advisers and top supporters have begun informally discussing potential vice presidential candidates and although they are careful to note that the campaign is far from putting together a short list, key supporters and strategists said Friday that they are beginning to see the outlines of the kind of person Romney will choose — and the kind he will avoid.

The conventional thinking has been that after a long and divisive primary campaign, the challenge of uniting the GOP would force Romney to pick a running mate with strong appeal to tea party activists and evangelicals. But Romney’s team thinks he may be liberated from that pressure if he can finish off remaining rivals Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul in the next few weeks.

Romney’s high command in Boston, cognizant that he would be leading a divided party, are seeking ways to win over reluctant conservatives. Still, it is unclear whether several months from now, when Romney chooses a running partner, he would be under pressure to pick someone who is demonstrably more conservative than he is.

His advisers said they do not believe geography will play all that important a role, and that he seems unlikely to choose someone to court a single state or constituency. He does not, so far, appear to have discussed the need to pick a minority or a woman, for example, to appeal to certain kinds of voters.

Early indications are that Romney will not repeat the error of 2008, when John McCain sought a dramatic choice but failed to run a thorough vetting process in picking Sarah Palin. This time, one Romney adviser said, “politics will matter less than you’d imagine.”

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To: Old Badger

I agree with you. That party is Dem lite. We need a well funded conservative challenge, like Perot, without the crazy. If Romney is in third place going into September, voters will coalesce behind the conservative. The rino reign would be over. Cant we find someone?


51 posted on 03/31/2012 9:26:45 AM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Drew68

Obviously you actually have nothing worthwhile to say.

Oh, and by chance you forget, you were beating it, which generated my first query.


52 posted on 03/31/2012 9:39:25 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: no dems

Nobody in American politics today comes close to Christie’s oratory skills. He has a commanding presence and an ability to handle just about anything thrown at him. I could easily see Romney going with him. He would provide the needed spark for his campaign.


53 posted on 03/31/2012 9:40:16 AM PDT by roscommon
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To: Defiant
We need a well funded conservative challenge, like Perot, without the crazy. If Romney is in third place going into September, voters will coalesce behind the conservative.

This plan has "success" written all over it! < /s>

If we want to end the RINO reign, we need to stop letting blue states pick our candidates. That Santorum has been carrying all the reliably red Republican states won't matter one whit after Romney steamrolls through California, New York and a handful of other blue states picking up the delegates needed to put him over the top. And then these same states that gave us Romney will vote for Obama in November. Republicans have let Democrats game the system.

If we want to take our party back, we need to change the nomination process to award extra weight to those delegates from states that voted Republican in the previous election instead of letting California and New York determine our candidates.

54 posted on 03/31/2012 9:46:32 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Kharis13

For some reason the old GOP-e fear tactics aren’t working this time.


55 posted on 03/31/2012 9:51:30 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: X-spurt
Obviously you actually have nothing worthwhile to say.

Ping me when birthers mount a successful challenge against Obama's eligibility that actually gets out of the starting gate.

As far as I can tell, they lost their last court case to an empty chair. Obama's lawyers didn't even bother showing up. This speaks volumes about the validity of birthers' legal arguments.

56 posted on 03/31/2012 9:51:36 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68
The discussion is not about idiot lawyers pushing nut stuff in court, rather WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS regarding NBC.

As far as can be determined, the only current recourse toward NBC is the Congress has to challenge, to which none did. Possibly another negative due to mclame’s birth in Panama or just the wienie GOP Congresscriters or more likely none wanted to sound “prejudicial” toward the 1st (and last) black POTUS!

57 posted on 03/31/2012 10:01:01 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: X-spurt
The discussion is not about idiot lawyers pushing nut stuff in court, rather WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS regarding NBC.

So feel free to point me to that part of our Constitution that specifically defines Natural Born Citizen as the product of two citizen parents.

Sigh... I can't count how many times over the past three years I've asked someone to do this. Maybe you'll have success where all others have failed.

58 posted on 03/31/2012 10:04:18 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: WWRD

Martinez would be foolish to join the ticket. She’s mid-way in her first term. She’ll get the Palin treatment. Martinez is better off running on her own merits in 2016.


59 posted on 03/31/2012 10:11:59 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Newt says, "A nominee that depresses turnout won't beat Barack Obama.")
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To: X-spurt

Uh... the constitution itself doesn’t say anything regarding NBC.


60 posted on 03/31/2012 10:25:10 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Newt says, "A nominee that depresses turnout won't beat Barack Obama.")
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To: no dems
The Veep is just a figurehead, with no real power or influence. The Veep will be used to gain votes from the conservative sheep. We all know what the Mccain campaign was considering with Sarah Palin, if they had won the last election.

Conservatives are supposed to vote for the latest lib and then shut up. Because otherwise the bogeyman is going win and the world as we know it will end.

Conservatives are patriots and hate to see their country hurting. So their emotional attachment to their beloved country is used to blackmail them into voting for the latest Rino that has been nominated.

61 posted on 03/31/2012 10:48:19 AM PDT by Moorings
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To: no dems

If the voters are only hearing one communist "clear, uncompromising vision for the future", and one slightly less communist "fuzzy, compromising vision for the future", they will vote overwhelmingly for the full-blown version.

Romney has only been able to win primaries in areas where he has been able to severely depress voter turnout among conservatives with his massive negative media buys.


In a Crisis Era, mushy moderates on either side do not win elections. Leaders in a Crisis Era must have a clear, uncompromising vision for the future, and be able to articulate this to a majority of the voters.

During other eras in history, a policy-wonk type of figurehead can successfully preside over the processes that are necessary to keep a country running, because the relatively minor ups and downs are not drastically changing the overall direction of the nation.

Look at all the success Republicans had running Progressive Liberal Republicans against FDR in 1932, 1936, 1940, and 1944.

Not a single one of these people could articulate a Constitutional conservative vision for the USA, and none of them even tried.

All four of them were slightly less socialist than FDR, and differed from FDR only on their pro-business angle (exactly like the RINOs of today).


And they all lost to the second worst communist president the USA ever had.


1932 Election
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover

Herbert Hoover was a professional mining engineer and author. As the United States Secretary of Commerce in the 1920s under Presidents Warren G. Harding and Calvin Coolidge, he promoted government intervention under the rubric "economic modernization". In the presidential election of 1928, Hoover easily won the Republican nomination, despite having no previous elected office experience. To date, Hoover is the last cabinet secretary to be directly elected President of the United States, as well as one of only two Presidents (along with William Howard Taft) to have been elected President without electoral experience or high military rank. America was prosperous and optimistic at the time, leading to a landslide victory for Hoover over Democrat Al Smith.

Hoover, a trained engineer, deeply believed in the Efficiency Movement, which held that government and the economy were riddled with inefficiency and waste, and could be improved by experts who could identify the problems and solve them. When the Wall Street Crash of 1929 struck less than eight months after he took office, Hoover tried to combat the ensuing Great Depression with volunteer efforts, none of which produced economic recovery during his term.

The consensus among historians is that Hoover's defeat in the 1932 election was caused primarily by failure to end the downward economic spiral. As a result of these factors, Hoover is ranked poorly among former US Presidents.

1936 Election
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alf_Landon

Alfred "Alf" Mossman Landon - supported Theodore Roosevelt's Progressive Party in 1912, and, in 1922, was private secretary to the governor of Kansas. He later became known as the leader of the liberal Republicans in the state. He was elected chairman of the Republican state central committee in 1928 and directed the Republican successful presidential and gubernatorial campaigns in Kansas in that year.

Landon was elected Governor of Kansas in 1932. He was re-elected governor in 1934 – the only Republican governor in the nation to be re-elected that year. He served as governor from 1933 until 1937. As Governor, Landon gained a reputation for reducing taxes and balancing the budget. Landon is often described as a fiscal conservative who nevertheless believed that government must also address social issues. He supported parts of the New Deal but opposed labor unions.

The 1936 presidential election was extraordinarily lopsided. Although Landon gained nearly 17 million votes and obtained the endorsement of track star Jesse Owens, he lost the popular vote by more than 10 million votes. He lost his home state Kansas and carried only Maine and Vermont for a total of 8 electoral votes to Roosevelt's 523. FDR's win was the most crushing electoral victory since the 1820 election.

1940 Election
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Willkie

Wendell Lewis Willkie ran against FDR in 1940 - a corporate lawyer and dark horse Republican Party nominee for the 1940 presidential election. A member of the liberal wing of the GOP, he crusaded against those domestic policies of the New Deal which he thought were inefficient and anti-business. Willkie, however, waffled on the bitterly debated issue of intervention in or isolation from World War II. His opponent Franklin D. Roosevelt won that election, with 55% of the popular vote and 85% of the electoral vote.

1944 Election
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_E._Dewey

Thomas Edmund Dewey ran against FDR in 1944 - led the liberal faction of the Republican Party, in which he fought conservative Ohio Senator Robert A. Taft. Dewey advocated for the professional and business community of the Northeastern United States, which would later be called the "Eastern Establishment." This organization accepted the majority of New Deal social-welfare reforms enacted during the administration of President Franklin D. Roosevelt. It consisted of internationalists who were in favor of the United Nations and the "Cold War" fought against communism and the Soviet Union.

1948 Election
Dewey lost to Truman again, after an overnight squeaker, during which some prominent newspapers erroneously pronounced Dewey the winner.

62 posted on 03/31/2012 11:19:00 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: Kharis13
Hmm, more than a little bias in this statement.

Hi Kharis13, I'd justify my statement based on obama's steady neutering of racial tensions and the history of romney's faith with said minorities.

Imagine how my son felt when he learned that according to the original doctrine, he is considered "cursed" and "filthy" because of his skin tone? It's here for starters and you can verify by looking through the book of mormon. It's not all the way it seems but most of it is.

Now imagine a 30 second DNC sound byte based on the article and the quoted text from the book of mormon?

Now try defending it to someone who's PO'd by it.

Alma 3:9 ". . . whosoever did mingle his seed with that of the Lamanites did bring the same curse upon his seed."

Lovely, yes? Doesn't exactly lend itself to an open and integrated society. I have dearly loved my Latino friends and now family all my life. Many of them are dark of skin. My son after a day in the son is copper brown. How do we defend romney against this 30 second sound byte played 24/7? HOW?!? (Not yelling, just beyond frustration here.)

Romney is over before he ever gets started. I've got nothing to do with it, the DNC will see to him, and possibly cause harm to many mormons in the process. That would be tragic, as many that I've met are genuinely nice people. You won't see that coming from the DNC.

I'd suggest you do your best to convince the RNC he's not "the one" unless you want another 4 years of obama.

63 posted on 03/31/2012 11:29:49 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: Caipirabob

Did it again...Nurturing...


64 posted on 03/31/2012 11:32:31 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: Drew68
Article II Facts - Ensuring Sole Allegiance to the United States of America

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Article II Facts

1. Constitutional Convention -

2. The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution Adopted 9 July 1868 -

3. Rep. John Bingham, Principal Framer of the Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution -

4. Supreme Court Cases that Cite “Natural Born Citizen” as One Born on U.S. Soil to Citizen Parents -

5. Attempts to Redefine or Amend Article II “Natural Born Citizen” Clause of the United States Constitution -

6. Citizenship Status of the Presidents of the United States and Their Eligibility Under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 -

7.Thirteen Presidential/Vice Presidential “Eligibility” Bills Introduced in State General Assembly’s between 2009 & 2011 -

1. Constitutional Convention – “Citizen” v “Natural Born Citizen":

When developing a new U.S. Constitution for the United States of America, Alexander Hamilton submitted a suggested draft on June 18, 1787. In addition, he also submitted to the framers a proposal for the qualification requirements in Article II as to the necessary Citizenship status for the office of President and Commander in Chief of the Military.

Alexander Hamilton’s suggested presidential eligibility clause:

No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States.

Many of the founders and framers expressed fear of foreign influence on the person who would in the future serve as President of the United States since this particular office was singularly and uniquely powerful under the proposed new Constitution. This question of foreign influence was elevated when John Jay considered the additional power granted to the Presidency during times of war, that is when he serves as Commander in Chief of the military. Jay felt strongly that whoever served as President and Commander In Chief during times of war must owe their sole allegiance to and only to the United States.

Because this fear of foreign influence on a future President and Commander in Chief was strongly felt, Jay took it upon himself to draft a letter to General George Washington, the presiding officer of the Constitutional Convention, recommending/hinting that the framers should strengthen the Citizenship requirements for the office of the President.

John Jay was an avid reader and proponent of natural law and particularly Vattel’s codification of natural law and the Law of Nations. In his letter to Washington he said that the Citizenship requirement for the office of the commander of our armies should contain a “strong check” against foreign influence and he recommended to Washington that the command of the military be open only to a “natural born Citizen”. Thus Jay did not agree that simply being a “born Citizen” was sufficient enough protection from foreign influence in the singular most powerful office in the new form of government. Rather, Jay wanted to make sure the President and Commander In Chief owed his allegiance solely to the United States of America. He wanted another adjective added to the eligibility clause, i.e., ‘natural’. And that word ‘natural’ goes to the Citizenship status of one’s parents via natural law.

Below is the relevant change to Hamilton’s proposed language detailed in Jay’s letter written to George Washington dated 25 July 1787:

Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Command in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.

See a transcription of Jay’s letter to Washington at this link.

Upon receiving Jay’s letter, General Washington passed on the recommendation to the convention where it was adopted in the final draft. Thus Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution, the fundamental law of our nation reads:

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of U.S. Constitution as adopted 17 September 1787:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

There you have the crux of the issue now before the nation and the answer.

Hamilton’s suggested presidential citizenship eligibility requirement was that a Citizen simply had to be ‘born a Citizen’ of the USA, i.e., a Citizen by Birth. But that citizenship status was overwhelmingly rejected by the framers as insufficient. Instead of allowing any person “born a citizen” to be President and Commander of the military, the framers chose to adopt the more stringent requirement recommended by John Jay, i.e., requiring the Citizen to be a “natural born Citizen“, to block any chance of future Presidents owing allegiance to other foreign nations or claims on their allegiance at birth from becoming President and Commander of the Military.. Therefore, the President of the United States must be a “natural born citizen” with unity of citizenship and sole allegiance to the United States at birth. [SOURCE CREDIT]

So why do we keep hearing about the President only needing to be “born a citizen”? Well, let’s start with the fallacy of the 14th amendment trumping Article II -

2. The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution was adopted 9 July 1868:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The intent and purpose of the (14th) amendment was to provide equal citizenship to all Americans either born on U.S. soil or naturalized therein and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. It does not grant “natural born Citizen” status. It only confers “citizen” status, as that is the exact word used by the Amendment itself and that is the same word that appears in Article I, II, III, and IV of the Constitution. It just conveys the status of “citizen,” and as we learned from how the Framers handled the Naturalization Acts of 1790 and 1795, being a “citizen” does not necessarily mean that one is a “natural born Citizen.”

The Fourteenth Amendment only tells us who may become members of the community called the United States, i.e., those born on U.S. soil or naturalized and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are U.S. citizens. The amendment was needed because under Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1856), slaves and their descendents, whether free or not, were not considered as being members of that community even though born on U.S. soil and unlike the American Indians subject to the jurisdiction thereof. But the amendment only allowed these slaves and their descendents to become a member of the U.S. community by making them U.S. citizens. Once those persons or anybody else (e.g. Wong Kim Ark) so became a member of the U.S. community (became a U.S. citizen by birth on U.S. soil or through naturalization), then that person could join with another U.S. citizen and procreate a child on U.S. soil who would then be an Article II "natural born Citizen."

Hence, during the Founding, the original citizens created the new Constitutional Republic. Through Article II’s grandfather clause, they were allowed to be President. Their posterity would be the "natural born Citizens" who would perpetuate the new nation and its values. These “natural born Citizens,” born after the adoption of the Constitution, would be the future Presidents.

Subsequently, a “natural born Citizen” was created by someone first becoming a member of the United States (a U.S. citizen) by birth on its soil to a mother and father who were U.S. citizens or if not so born then through naturalization, and then joining with another similarly created U.S. citizen to procreate a child on U.S. soil. The product of that union would be an Article II “natural born Citizen.”

After the Fourteenth Amendment, it became sufficient to be a citizen if one were merely born on U.S. soil or naturalized and subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. That U.S. citizen would then procreate with another similarly created U.S citizen and produce a “natural born Citizen.”

As we can see, becoming a U.S. citizen is only the first step in the process of creating a “natural born Citizen.” The second step is the two U.S citizens procreating a child on U.S. soil. It is these “natural born Citizens” who can someday be President or Vice President of the United States. Stated differently, a President must be a second generation American citizen by both U.S. citizen parents. A Senator or Representative can be a first generation American citizen by naturalization or birth. It is the extra generation carried by a President which assures the American people that he/she is born with attachment and allegiance only to the United States. [SOURCE CREDIT]

Now, let’s take a look at the Godfather of the 14th amendment and see what he had to say about “born a citizen” vs “natural born citizen” –

3. Rep. John Bingham, Principal Framer of the Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

During a debate (see pg. 2791) regarding a certain Dr. Houard, who had been incarcerated in Spain, the issue was raised on the floor of the House of Representatives as to whether the man was a US citizen. Representative Bingham (of Ohio), stated on the floor:


As to the question of citizenship I am willing to resolve all doubts in favor of a citizen of the United States. That Dr. Houard is a natural-born citizen of the United States there is not room for the shadow of a doubt. He was born of naturalized parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, and by the express words of the Constitution, as amended to-day, he is declared to all the world to be a citizen of the United States by birth. (The term “to-day”, as used by Bingham, means “to date”. Obviously, the Constitution had not been amended on April 25, 1872.)

Notice that Bingham declares Houard to be a “natural-born citizen” by citing two factors – born of citizen parents in the US.

John Bingham, aka “father of the 14th Amendment”, was an abolitionist congressman from Ohio who prosecuted Lincoln’s assassins. Ten years earlier, he stated on the House floor:

All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians. - (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 1639 (1862))

Then in 1866, Bingham also stated on the House floor:

Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.... - (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

According to Justice Black, Bingham’s words uttered on the floor of the House are the most reliable source. Bingham made three statements, none of them challenged on the Floor, which indicate that a natural born citizen is a person born on US soil to parents who were US citizens. [SOURCE CREDIT]

And of course we’ve all heard the Supreme Court has never ruled on or defined what a “natural born citizen” is, but that is a folly –

4. Supreme Court cases that cite “natural born Citizen” as one born on U.S. soil to citizen parents:

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says: “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)

Ann Scott was born in South Carolina before the American revolution, and her father adhered to the American cause and remained and was at his death a citizen of South Carolina. There is no dispute that his daughter Ann, at the time of the Revolution and afterwards, remained in South Carolina until December, 1782. Whether she was of age during this time does not appear. If she was, then her birth and residence might be deemed to constitute her by election a citizen of South Carolina. If she was not of age, then she might well be deemed under the circumstances of this case to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country. Her citizenship, then, being prima facie established, and indeed this is admitted in the pleadings, has it ever been lost, or was it lost before the death of her father, so that the estate in question was, upon the descent cast, incapable of vesting in her? Upon the facts stated, it appears to us that it was not lost and that she was capable of taking it at the time of the descent cast.

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857)

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As society cannot perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their parents, and succeed to all their rights.' Again: 'I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen; for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. . . .

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939),

was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that a child born in the United States to naturalized parents on U.S. soil is a natural born citizen and that the child's natural born citizenship is not lost if the child is taken to and raised in the country of the parents' origin, provided that upon attaining the age of majority, the child elects to retain U.S. citizenship "and to return to the United States to assume its duties." Not only did the court rule that she did not lose her native born Citizenship but it upheld the lower courts decision that she is a "natural born Citizen of the United States" because she was born in the USA to two naturalized U.S. Citizens.

"But the Secretary of State, according to the allegation of the bill of complaint, had refused to issue a passport to Miss Elg 'solely on the ground that she had lost her native born American citizenship.' The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants [307 U.S. 325, 350] (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227 , 57 S.Ct. 461, 108 A.L.R. 1000), declared Miss Elg 'to be a natural born citizen of the United States' (99 F.2d 414) and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants. The decree in that sense would in no way interfere with the exercise of the Secretary's discretion with respect to the issue of a passport but would simply preclude the denial of a passport on the sole ground that Miss Elg had lost her American citizenship."

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”. [SOURCE CREDIT]

Let’s take a look at the numerous attempts congress has made over the years to change the definition of Article II even though any educated American knows that to change the constitution in any shape or form a constitutional amendment is required. -

5. Attempts to redefine or amend Article II “natural born Citizen” Clause of the U.S. Constitution:

The effort to remove the natural-born citizen requirement from the U.S. Constitution actually began in 1975 – when Democrat House Rep. Jonathon B. Bingham, [NY-22] introduced a constitutional amendment under H.J.R. 33: which called for the outright removal of the natural-born requirement for president found in Article II of the U.S. Constitution – “Provides that a citizen of the United States otherwise eligible to hold the Office of President shall not be ineligible because such citizen is not a natural born citizen.”

Bingham’s first attempt failed and he resurrected H.J.R. 33: in 1977 under H.J.R. 38:, again failing to gain support from members of congress. Bingham was a Yale Law grad and member of the secret society Skull and Bones, later a lecturer at Columbia Law and thick as thieves with the United Nations via his membership in the Council on Foreign Relations.

Bingham’s work lay dormant for twenty-six years when it was resurrected again in 2003 as Democrat members of Congress made no less than eight (8) attempts in twenty-two (22) months, to either eliminate the natural-born requirement, or redefine natural-born to accommodate Barack Hussein Obama II in advance of his rise to power. The evidence is right in the congressional record…

1. On June 11, 2003 Democrat House member Vic Snyder [AR-2] introduced H.J.R 59: in the 108th Congress – “Constitutional Amendment – Makes a person who has been a citizen of the United States for at least 35 years and who has been a resident within the United States for at least 14 years eligible to hold the office of President or Vice President.” – Co-Sponsors: Rep Conyers, John, Jr. [MI-14]; Rep Delahunt, William D. [MA-10]; Rep Frank, Barney [MA-4]; Rep Issa, Darrell E. [CA-49]; Rep LaHood, Ray [IL-18]; Rep Shays, Christopher [CT-4].

2. On September 3, 2003, Rep. John Conyers [MI] introduced H.J.R. 67: – “Constitutional Amendment – Makes a person who has been a citizen of the United States for at least 20 years eligible to hold the office of President.” – Co-Sponsor Rep Sherman, Brad [CA-27]

3. On February 25, 2004, Republican Senator Don Nickles [OK] attempted to counter the growing Democrat onslaught aimed at removing the natural-born citizen requirement for president in S.2128: – “Natural Born Citizen Act – Defines the constitutional term “natural born citizen,” to establish eligibility for the Office of President” – also getting the definition of natural born citizen wrong. – Co-sponsors Sen Inhofe, James M. [OK]; Sen Landrieu, Mary L. [LA]

4. On September 15, 2004 – as Barack Obama was about to be introduced as the new messiah of the Democrat Party at the DNC convention, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher [CA-46] introduced H.J.R. 104: – “Constitutional Amendment – “Makes eligible for the Office of the President non-native born persons who have held U.S. citizenship for at least 20 years and who are otherwise eligible to hold such Office.”  – No co-sponsors.

5. Again on January 4, 2005, Rep John Conyers [MI] introduced H.J.R. 2: to the 109th Congress – “Constitutional Amendment – Makes a person who has been a citizen of the United States for at least 20 years eligible to hold the Office of President.” – Co-Sponsor Rep Sherman, Brad [CA-27]

6. Rep Dana Rohrabacher [CA-46] tries again on February 1, 2005 in H.J.R. 15: – “Constitutional Amendment – Makes eligible for the Office of the President non-native born persons who have held U.S. citizenship for at least 20 years and who are otherwise eligible to hold such Office.” – No Co-Sponsor

7. On April 14, 2005, Rep Vic Snyder [AR-2] tries yet again with H.J.R. 42: – “Constitutional Amendment – Makes a person who has been a citizen of the United States for at least 35 years and who has been a resident within the United States for at least 14 years eligible to hold the office of President or Vice President.” – Co-Sponsor Rep Shays, Christopher [CT-4]

8. All of these efforts failing in committee and the 2008 presidential election looming with an unconstitutional candidate leading the DNC ticket, Democrat Senator Claire McCaskill, [MO] tries to attach the alteration to a military bill in S.2678: on February 28, 2008 – “Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act – Declares that the term “natural born Citizen” in article II, section 1, clause 5 of the Constitution, dealing with the criteria for election to President of the United States, includes any person born to any U.S. citizen while serving in the active or reserve components of the U.S. armed forces.” – Co-Sponsors DNC Presidential candidate Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY]; DNC Presidential candidate Sen Obama, Barack [IL]; Sen Menendez, Robert [NJ]; Sen Coburn, Tom [OK] – (This was the first effort to also assure that GOP Presidential candidate Sen. John McCain [AZ] would be cleared to run against the DNC primary victor.)

From June 11, 2003 to February 28, 2008, there had been eight (8) different congressional attempts to alter Article II – Section I – Clause V – natural born citizen requirements for president in the U.S. Constitution, all of them failing in committee — All of it taking placing during Barack Obama’s rise to political power and preceding the November 2008 presidential election.

In politics, there are no coincidences… not of this magnitude.

Finally on April 10, 2008, unable to alter or remove the natural born citizen requirement to clear the way for Barack Obama, the U.S. Senate acts to shift focus before the election, introducing and passing S.R.511: – declaring Sen. John McCain a “natural born citizen” eligible to run for and hold the office of president. There was never any honest doubt about McCain, the son of a U.S. Navy Commander. The Sponsor of the resolution is Democrat Senator Claire McCaskill, [MO]

S.R.511 States that John Sidney McCain, III, is a “natural born Citizen” under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States. S.R511 passed by a 99-0 unanimous consent of the Senate, with only John McCain not voting. The basis was – “Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens;” – a condition not met by Barack Hussein Obama II. – Co-Sponsors DNC Presidential candidate Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY]; DNC Presidential candidate Sen Obama, Barack [IL]; Sen Leahy, Patrick J. [VT]; Sen Webb, Jim [VA]; Sen Coburn, Tom [OK] (They had made certain that John McCain would run against Barack Obama)

However, in the McCain resolution is also this language – “Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen’ of the United States; – Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

The U.S. Constitution is not a dictionary. The definition of “is” is not in the constitution either. Yet this is the text that would later be issued in Congressional Research Service talking points memos distributed to members of congress, to protect an individual that all members of congress know and understand to be an “unconstitutional” resident of the people’s White House – Barack Hussein Obama II.

Once again, as the political left was unable to alter the U.S. Constitution by way of legitimate constitutional process, they resorted to altering the constitution via precedent setting, in short, knowingly electing and getting away with seating an unconstitutional president in order to alter Article II requirements for the office via breaking those constitutional requirements.

The press would not ask any questions and the American people were already too ill-informed of their constitution to know or too distracted by daily life to care. The press would provide the cover, swearing to the lies of an unconstitutional administration put in power by criminal actors focused only on their lofty political agenda of forever altering the American form of government.

The people would be caught up in a steady diet of daily assaults on their individual freedom and liberty and overlook the most obvious constitutional crisis in American history, the seating of an unconstitutional and anti-American president. [SOURCE CREDIT]

6. Citizenship Status of the Presidents of the United States and Their Eligibility Under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 -

 Click Here to View Citizenship Status

As you can see our past presidents eligible after the grandfather clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 were all born on U.S. soil to Citizen parents.

7. Thirteen Presidential/Vice Presidential “Eligibility” Bills Introduced in State General Assembly’s between 2009 & 2011

Then we have the 13 eligibility bills introduced between 2009 and 2011 by Republican’s in their respective state general assemblies. Two made it to a Governor’s desk for signature – New Hampshire’s Governor signed HB1245 into law and Arizona's Governor, who was the Secretary of the State Board of Elections in 2008, vetoed HB295/529 – with the rest dying in committee,

Click Here to View the 13 Eligibility Bills

So there you have the facts of this roaring debate in a nutshell. The people are dismissed as clueless while the congress, the media, the current crop of presidential contenders, the Republican and Democrat Parties and the legal system are all living in a fantasy land. The people are 100 percent correct, and the people have every intention of showing those who continue to obfuscate this extremely serious constitutional crisis the door.

SOURCE CREDITS:

1. Constitutional Convention - Navy CDR Charles Kerchner(Ret) www.ProtectOurLiberty.org

2. The Fourteenth Amendment - Attorney Mario Apuzzo www.Puzo1.blogspot.com

3. Rep. John Bingham - Attorney Leo Donofrio www.NaturalBornCitizen.wordpress.com

4. Supreme Court Cases - John Charlton www.ThePostEmail.com

5. Attempts to Amend Article II - J.B. Williams www.NewsWithViews.com

6. Citizenship Under Article II - Navy CDR Charles Kerchner(Ret) www.ProtectOurLiberty.org

7. Thirteen Eligibility” Bills -  Art2SuperPAC www.Art2SuperPAC.com

65 posted on 03/31/2012 1:12:39 PM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: meadsjn
Yawn...

The same tired old links copied and pasted here ad nauseam from the same tired old birther sites written by the same losing birther "google lawyers" that have gone nowhere outside the birther conspiracy circus.

Ping me when there's an actual challenge to Obama's eligibility.

66 posted on 03/31/2012 1:24:04 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: newzjunkey

Emmmmmm..... maybe this is the problem, we read “different” Constitutions.

Article 2 Section one - No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President


67 posted on 03/31/2012 1:49:01 PM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: no dems
The last thing conservatives need is another rising star destroyed by the media while running for as the VP for a RINO Presidential nominee.

Since Romney, no doubt, will lose millions of conservative votes, he ought to go for a bipartisan ticket and try to peal away Democratic votes. Kay Hagan of North Carolina or Mary Landrieu of Louisiana would make perfect running mates for Willard.

And, if he somehow did win, Republicans would have an excellent chance of gaining a seat in the Senate.

68 posted on 03/31/2012 1:54:38 PM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: Drew68

69 posted on 03/31/2012 2:31:11 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: Kharis13

....getting Obama out is my first priority. And I suspect millions of others feel the same way....
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Count me in that number.


70 posted on 03/31/2012 4:43:27 PM PDT by no dems (I've always been crazy but that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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To: Drew68

To: Drew68 and all other NON-Birther FReepers:

Just ignore the Birthers. You’re wasting you time and energy trying to reason with them Some of them still believe the world is flat.


71 posted on 03/31/2012 4:46:16 PM PDT by no dems (I've always been crazy but that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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To: NavyCanDo

I could live with Susana Martinez as the GOP VP nominee.


72 posted on 03/31/2012 4:48:30 PM PDT by no dems (I've always been crazy but that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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To: ngat

Ref. your Post #47: They said the same thing about Reagan in ‘80.


73 posted on 03/31/2012 4:51:04 PM PDT by no dems (I've always been crazy but that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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To: Defiant

We need a well funded conservative challenge.....Cant we find someone?
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HELL NO!!! None of the “good” Conservatives has the balls to get into the race this year and left us with Kook-Daddy and the 3 Stooges. So to hell with Jim DeMint, The Huckster and all the rest of them.


74 posted on 03/31/2012 4:54:56 PM PDT by no dems (I've always been crazy but that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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To: no dems

“Ref. your Post #47: They said the same thing about Reagan in ‘80.

Here’s the difference you are missing: the “they” who said McCainBushDoleFord candidacies could not be salvaged by their VP choice were the opposite wing of the republican party who were predicting Reagan would lose no matter his VP choice.


75 posted on 03/31/2012 5:01:41 PM PDT by ngat
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To: Drew68
If we want to end the RINO reign, we need to stop letting blue states pick our candidates. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ NOT SO!!! Sorry; but that's not the problem. We will continue to have a Moderate nominee as long as the Conservative field keeps splitting the Conservative vote. If we're ever going to have a Conservative nominee again, we must have Conservative Candidates who will agree to drop out quickly and back the first Conservative Candidate who wins three state primaries. Otherwise, every four years we will have a Moderate nominee.
76 posted on 04/01/2012 1:03:04 PM PDT by no dems (I've always been crazy but that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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To: roscommon; All
Chris Christie is a fat a** blowhard. He pissed in the wind with me when he disrespected that Navy Seal for just asking him a question that was a fair question to ask. Had I been the Navy Seal instead of taking his rebuke graciously, I'd have said "Bite me fat boy"; shot him the finger and walked out. Now, stomaching Romney is bad enough, but, I friggin' will vote Third Party is that undisciplined, overeating, obese oinker is on the GOP ticket.
77 posted on 04/01/2012 1:21:47 PM PDT by no dems (I've always been crazy but that's the only thing that's kept me from going insane.)
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