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The RNC shoots itself in the mouth
SCOTUSblog ^ | March 29, 2012 | Tom Goldstein

Posted on 03/31/2012 10:21:55 AM PDT by brityank

The RNC shoots itself in the mouth


Opponents of the Affordable Care Act and the Obama Administration really could not have had a better week. They did a tremendous job framing their constitutional argument against the statute to the public, the lawyers on their side were brilliant, and it appears that they had a receptive Supreme Court majority. It was an eleven on a scale of one to ten.

Now this. The RNC released an advertisement (embedded in the story linked below) with audio from the halting beginning to Don Verrilli’s oral argument on the individual mandate to make the point that (as the ad’s title says) "ObamaCare: It’s a tough sell." So far as I can tell, it is less a real ad that would actually run than a stunt intended to draw attention – no less a stunt than the DNC surely has done in lots of other contexts.

But Bloomberg News had the good sense to actually compare the actual argument audio with what the RNC distributed. It turns out to have been materially doctored. As the Bloomberg piece says, "A review of a transcript and recordings of those moments shows that Verrilli took a sip of water just once, paused for a much briefer period, and completed his thought, rather than stuttering and trailing off as heard in the doctored version."

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It probably also sets back the effort to get the Court to become more transparent. As Amy pointed out to me, the Justices now have before them a perfect illustration of the gross distortion that can instantly be made of recordings of their proceedings. What is to stop the same misleading stunt being pulled with the Justices’ own oral argument questions and comments? Nothing at all. The Court made a special exception in releasing the oral argument tape for the health care arguments so promptly, and it probably will hesitate before doing so again. If there were any chance that the Justices would permit cameras in the Court, I do not see happening now.



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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: rnc; scotusblog; scotusobamacare

1 posted on 03/31/2012 10:21:58 AM PDT by brityank
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To: brityank

It’s amazing how stupid they can be. A lot of it must be intentional.


2 posted on 03/31/2012 10:25:30 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: brityank
Translation....hit a nerve...


3 posted on 03/31/2012 10:27:18 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: unkus

It is - because the staff they hire are mainly the holdovers from the Demoncrat office groupies; definitely not conservative!


4 posted on 03/31/2012 10:29:07 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank

the basis os such “stupidity” is that the Stupid Party simply really doesn’t want to be a functional political opposition.. they would really rather be in the Democrats catbird seat...but haven’t the testosterone to come out and grab what the Democrats covet and tell the rest of us to go to heck..


5 posted on 03/31/2012 10:31:48 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: unkus
Oh - and heaven forbid they should hurt their feeeeeeeelings!!!!!!!!

Barf!

6 posted on 03/31/2012 10:31:57 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank

Let me guess. It was really romneys PAC—you know—the one over which he has no control or influence.


7 posted on 03/31/2012 10:35:13 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: brityank

Hmm the ad must be effective.


8 posted on 03/31/2012 10:42:32 AM PDT by Freddd (No PA Engineers)
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To: brityank

Oh - and heaven forbid they should hurt their feeeeeeeelings!!!!!!!!
Barf!


Like Juan McCain referring to Democrats as “My friends”.


9 posted on 03/31/2012 10:43:57 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: brityank
I saw the ad and it was terrific and the libs hate it because it makes both the lawyer an obamacare look stupid.

I say, make a full TV ad and run it over and over again.

10 posted on 03/31/2012 10:45:51 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: brityank

Guys and gals, “scotusblog” is, according to Rush Limbaugh, pretty left wing. I wouldn’t take what it says too seriously.


11 posted on 03/31/2012 10:46:04 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: brityank

Did Dimocrats shoot themselves in the mouth bt lying about the $17 trillion Obamacare shortfall?

Welcome to Animal Farm!


12 posted on 03/31/2012 10:52:54 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: SoFloFreeper
Guys and gals, “scotusblog” is, according to Rush Limbaugh, pretty left wing. I wouldn’t take what it says too seriously.

True - but that's why "opposition research" needs to be done - to see where they're headed.

In this conclusion they have it right. It's bad enough we have to rely on leftist reporters and journalists to describe the presentations given in the court, and getting the actual recorded presentations was a good thing. But to use it in this manner will not endear the members of the court to do it again, and none of them want video of Ginsberg sleeping on the bench.

13 posted on 03/31/2012 10:58:09 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: unkus
A lot of it must be intentional.

That's what I think. This bunch doesn't even get the "lip service" right anymore.
14 posted on 03/31/2012 11:02:03 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: brityank

The RNC is a joke. Republicans probably win in spite of them.


15 posted on 03/31/2012 11:07:33 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: KoRn
The RNC is a joke

Stories like this love to make you think so.

It may be true at times, but don't base it on junk like this from the left.

There will be more and more propoganda from the left like this which will fool many conservatives into buying MSM lies.

16 posted on 03/31/2012 11:13:58 AM PDT by what's up
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To: unkus
A lot of it must be intentional.

My guess is that ALL of it is intentional. They both desire the same thing...MORE POWER over the great unwashed, bible clinging masses.

17 posted on 03/31/2012 11:27:04 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: darkwing104
No. This was inexcusably juvenile. In this era of Youtube technology anyone can get the original and compare it to the doctored version. Look how quickly the NBC fraudulent editing of Zimmerman was exposed--in hours. This was an idiot waiting to get caught--or a paid mole acting to discredit the RNC.
18 posted on 03/31/2012 11:35:27 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: brityank

Really ? I thought it was a little more stilted than it ought to be.

Play the original and in context.

I’m sure it will sound painful enough.


19 posted on 03/31/2012 11:45:06 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Freddd

You are right, the ad is damned effective.

That is why they are squawking.

According to the logic of this clown the RNC should have found the bit of tape/transcript in which Obama’s solicitor general (and Obama’s SCOTUS appointees) sounded the least stupid of all and put that out there in the interest of fairness.

One, this is a campaign ad, and two, Obama’s people sounded brain damaged nearly throughout the hearings.


20 posted on 03/31/2012 11:59:11 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: brityank

I don’t believe there was ever a chance that
cameras would be allowed in the Supreme Court.


21 posted on 03/31/2012 12:00:28 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: brityank

RNC can’t be as stupid as they were when mikey steele was in charge.


22 posted on 03/31/2012 12:52:11 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: brityank

RNC can’t be as stupid as they were when mikey steele was in charge. Can they????
OH YEAH!!!


23 posted on 03/31/2012 12:53:05 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs
hey D...remember that rnc ad link a couple days ago...the tards cant even get a do a smear correctly...

facepalm pic anybody ???

24 posted on 03/31/2012 7:56:48 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Joe Boucher; brityank; darkwing104
Ugh, Mike Steele presided over the greatest election victory by the Republican party in the last 72 years in 2010.

Whatever he did seems to have worked well.

Then he was fired.

My judgment is neither here nor there regarding Mike, but really guys, how do winners do it?

How do people who know how to be winners decide which way to go next?

Now we are saddled with an RNC chairman who is so incompetent he failed to make sure voters in Virginia had a chance to vote the whole list of official Republican candidates.

The party apparatus and their running dog lackeys will not be forgotten for that one ever!

I"d expect more and more jokers pulling this sort of thing now that they know there's nobody at all in charge!

25 posted on 03/31/2012 8:15:03 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Gilbo_3

Yeah : )


26 posted on 03/31/2012 8:17:55 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Gilbo_3
hey D...remember that rnc ad link a couple days ago...the tards cant even get a do a smear correctly...

You found a blog that agrees with you. The ad exaggerates Virelli's fumbling, but I agree that obamacare is a tough sell. Bloomberg doesn't like it, but do they jump on Dem ads with a few seconds of audio?

I keep reading comments that the Dems play dirty and the GOP gets rolled.

27 posted on 03/31/2012 8:42:29 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: muawiyah
Ugh, Mike Steele presided over the greatest election victory by the Republican party in the last 72 years in 2010.

Whatever he did seems to have worked well.

Well, as I recall Mike was invited to attend several of the early Tea Party rallies and turned them down. It took a concerted push from the folks in the trenches to get him to finally pay attention, and I think the first one he spoke at was in Delaware.

The various Tea Party groups all had more of a hand in shaping that win for the Repubs than did the RNC hierarchy. JMHO.

28 posted on 03/31/2012 8:56:54 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: muawiyah

Steele had little to do with the ass whoopin the dems suffered last election cycle.
Obammy and the dems grab on all things was responsible for that.
And as for not gettting the whole group on the Virginia ticket, are you sure those at the RNC didn’t have an agenda to get mitt elected?


29 posted on 04/01/2012 3:21:52 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
You found a blog that agrees with you. The ad exaggerates Virelli's fumbling, but I agree that obamacare is a tough sell.

i didnt go outta my way to find or prove anything that i necessarily agree with, beyond the fact the for multiple reasons the gop/rnc appear to be unable and unwilling to be effective politically, even when they *try*...

being a good fighter means that *they* must get down and dirty and mean...BUT NOT incredibly stupid and easily debunked, as the edited ad was trotted out into the light, just like the NBC Treyvon/Zimmerman 911 call...

bambam care a 'tough sell'...it shouldve been met with formal charges and action, anything possible, on day one...

but, as our conversation has gone the past couple days, the willingness of the population isnt *there* yet to stop the commie offensive...still playing *fair*, giving them opportunities to repent...its required by us...

as far as Atlas Shrugged, i have yet to read it [keep meaning to], but i bet our perceptions of Galt are the same, simply disengaging from the systems of the established society and being self sufficient/preserving, in the face of the monster...politically, or otherwise...

30 posted on 04/01/2012 6:05:00 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Joe Boucher
The LAST ELECTION was 2011 and we did not make the advances then that we did in 2010.

2010 took place under the NEW leadership ~ which does have the intent to force Mitt down our throats.

That, btw, is understood by everyone. I think they want to lose it all.

31 posted on 04/01/2012 7:04:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: brityank

Given that progressives self-define their movement as ‘progressing beyond the original intent of the constitution’ in order to free the government from, as Mr. Obama famously said, the “charter of negative rights” (rights that the government does NOT have) — the author is right when he says conservatives “hate the constitution.”

Of course they do - that is the whole point of their 70 year effort to render it moot!


32 posted on 04/01/2012 9:23:44 AM PDT by LoneStarC
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To: brityank

Given that progressives self-define their movement as ‘progressing beyond the original intent of the constitution’ in order to free the government from, as Mr. Obama famously said, the “charter of negative rights” (rights that the government does NOT have) — the author is right when he says conservatives “hate the constitution.”

Of course they do - that is the whole point of their 70 year effort to render it moot!


33 posted on 04/01/2012 9:23:54 AM PDT by LoneStarC
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To: Gilbo_3; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker

” bambam care a ‘tough sell’...it shouldve been met with formal charges and action, anything possible, on day one...”

B U M P


34 posted on 04/01/2012 9:30:14 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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