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Trayvon Martin shooting: It's not George Zimmerman crying for help on 911 recording, 2 experts say
Chicago Tribune ^ | 3/31/12 | Jeff Weiner

Posted on 03/31/2012 4:44:41 PM PDT by Krankor

As the Trayvon Martin controversy splinters into a debate about self-defense, a central question remains: Who was heard crying for help on a 911 call in the moments before the teen was shot?

A leading expert in the field of forensic voice identification sought to answer that question by analyzing the recordings for the Orlando Sentinel.

His result: It was not George Zimmerman who called for help.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvonmartin
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It is Zimmerman screaming. There's a witness. I want to hear what the FBI says.
1 posted on 03/31/2012 4:44:45 PM PDT by Krankor
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To: Krankor
I don't understand why there is any doubt at all.

The 911 operator knows the phone number of the incoming call if it is a cell phone.

Whose number was it?

2 posted on 03/31/2012 4:50:07 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Krankor

i can find expert astrophysicists who claim we have never gone into space because it is impossible.


3 posted on 03/31/2012 4:50:23 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: Krankor

They probably interviewed a thousand “experts” and found 2 who said what that wanted to hear.


4 posted on 03/31/2012 4:51:21 PM PDT by JaguarXKE
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To: Krankor

“The software compared that audio to Zimmerman’s voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he’d expect higher than 90 percent.

“As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it’s not Zimmerman,” Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon’s, because he didn’t have a sample of the teen’s voice to compare.”


So, did they get a recent sample of Zimmerman’s voice as somebody repeatedly bashed his head into the pavement, again?

I would reckon that could change the pitch of his “normal” voice ~just~ a bit.

Nobody, anywhere, any time *ever* got a recording of Trayvon speaking?

With cell phone videos and all the other recording devices abundant *everywhere* these days, I find that a bit odd.


5 posted on 03/31/2012 4:51:43 PM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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To: Krankor

Zimmmer’s father says it was George screaming and his opinion should be the only one to be considered fact.


6 posted on 03/31/2012 4:51:43 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The 911 call with screaming in the background is a third party witness.


7 posted on 03/31/2012 4:51:53 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Uncle Slayton
Some eyewitness(es) may have been close enough to discern which of the two was screaming what.

If one is able to testify "the guy on the bottom who was getting his head bashed on the ground" is the one screaming, that's compelling.

8 posted on 03/31/2012 4:54:22 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Does the third party witness know?


9 posted on 03/31/2012 4:56:23 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: JaguarXKE

2000


10 posted on 03/31/2012 4:58:00 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Krankor

Two experts? Let me guess: Are their names Jesse and Al?


11 posted on 03/31/2012 5:00:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jamaal and Lashanda


12 posted on 03/31/2012 5:02:03 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Cboldt

If the angle boy Trayvon was getting his head bashed I wonder if he had any head injuries? Apparently Zimmerman did.


13 posted on 03/31/2012 5:02:03 PM PDT by VastRWCon (The Middle Class is the Tea Party)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
-- Does the third party witness know? --

I don't know. I was just saying that other witnesses may be more useful than Zimmerman's father.

As for this report, it's of the same value as the "no wounds on his head" conclusion, based on a grainy police video. It's jinned up (using 'jin' as in "genie") noise to get attention to the media. When the rubber meets the road, this experts testimony would be subject to lots of scrutiny.

Notice he can't rule in Trayvon, so he's left us a mystery. If you're the jury, you have to look at other evidence. Zimmerman is banged up, Martin isn't. Who was winning the fight? Who is more likely to be yelling for help?

14 posted on 03/31/2012 5:02:39 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Krankor

The leading experts said that both certificates and selective service registration are forgeries.


15 posted on 03/31/2012 5:03:47 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Cboldt

Whose head was being bashed? That is who scremed for help. Chicago newspaper? Uh uh....no cigar.


16 posted on 03/31/2012 5:05:19 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Krankor

That would be impossible. Reason is that Zimmerman had a gun and there were no beating wounds on Trayvon. This has already been said.

There would not be minutes of screaming for help if George was just going to shoot Trayvon.

I heard the the screaming, that was a person being whomped.


17 posted on 03/31/2012 5:08:26 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Cboldt
The very fact that the prosecutor refused to press charges tells you everything you need to know.

Prosecutors aren't in the business of passing on winnable cases.

18 posted on 03/31/2012 5:08:26 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: JaguarXKE
They probably interviewed a thousand “experts” and found 2 who said what that wanted to hear.
DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner!

19 posted on 03/31/2012 5:08:26 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Krankor
"After the Sentinel contacted Owen, he used software called Easy Voice Biometrics to compare Zimmerman's voice to the 911 call screams."

I've read and re-read this article a few times. I can't find any mention of what specific sample of Zimmerman's voice was used to compare to the 911 call (made by a resident) that contained the screams. Did I miss something in this article?

Two so-called experts making this claim doesn't impress me, since you can always find an expert to come up with the results you want, if you pay them enough money.

20 posted on 03/31/2012 5:09:56 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: samtheman

CBS NEWS: Bush Military Documents Authenticated by Experts


21 posted on 03/31/2012 5:11:05 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: dforest

Great point!


22 posted on 03/31/2012 5:11:25 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: Krankor
His result: It was not George Zimmerman who called for help

Oh yea, Zimmerman is on his back getting his face rearanged and head slammed into the concrete by Martin who is on top of him and wee need to believe Martin is screaming for help.

23 posted on 03/31/2012 5:12:12 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: mass55th
'what specific sample of Zimmerman's voice was used to compare to the 911 call (made by a resident) that contained the screams.'

The 'sample' is from Zimmerman calling the non-emergency number to report on TM.

24 posted on 03/31/2012 5:12:55 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Respectfully, you don’t understand.
There were a number of calls to 911 during the fatal encounter. One is from a woman who lives in the complex and the struggle was taking place in back of her unit.
As she is speaking to 911 you can hear Zimmerman screaming for help.
Here is the link from the Town of Sanford.

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call3.wav


25 posted on 03/31/2012 5:12:55 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: mass55th

Paid experts have told us the world would have burned up by 2010.


26 posted on 03/31/2012 5:14:01 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: mass55th

I can’t believe that no one has a voice mail or message left on an answering machine of Trayvon. Don’t cell phones have it so you record your own outgoing message for people to leave you a message. Like This is so and so, leave a message?


27 posted on 03/31/2012 5:18:15 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come.)
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To: Krankor

Man, these guys just keep coming don’t they!


28 posted on 03/31/2012 5:19:20 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!-Sam Adams)
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To: Krankor

Voice recognition software can identify it was Zimmerman or not. I believe it was Zimmerman.


29 posted on 03/31/2012 5:19:42 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Doctor 2Brains


30 posted on 03/31/2012 5:20:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Salamander; All
From Owen Forensic Services, LLC/Forensic Articles;

III - THE METHOD OF VOICE IDENTIFICATION:

"The first step is to evaluate the recording of the unknown voice, checking to make sure the recording has a sufficient amount of speech with which to work and that the quality of the recording is of sufficient clarity in the frequency range required for analysis. The volume of the recorded voice signal must be significantly higher than that of the environmental noise. The greater the number of obscuring events, such as noise, music, and other speakers, the longer the sample of speech must be. Some examiners report that they reject as many as sixty percent of the cases submitted to them with one of the main reasons for rejection being the poor quality of the recording of the unknown voice"

Link:

http://www.owlinvestigations.com/article1.html

31 posted on 03/31/2012 5:23:08 PM PDT by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: TsonicTsunami08

Thanks for that link——most helpful.


32 posted on 03/31/2012 5:26:24 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Krankor

Who are you going to believe the “expert” or your lying eyes.


33 posted on 03/31/2012 5:26:51 PM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: Krankor

As a former Prosecutor of 25 years I am stunned Zimmerman wasn’t charged with Manslaughter. There is way more than enough probable cause to do so. I certainly expect he will be by the Special Prosecutor. I think 2nd Degree Murder is going to far, but this is somewhere between Involuntary and Voluntary.

An easy call.


34 posted on 03/31/2012 5:27:10 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Krankor

why would the guy on top beating the other guy be yelling for help? that makes no sense.


35 posted on 03/31/2012 5:27:44 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: Krankor

“Experts” will say whatever the person signing their check wants them to say.


36 posted on 03/31/2012 5:29:38 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
-- The very fact that the prosecutor refused to press charges tells you everything you need to know. --

Yep. And an impatient agitator (Crump) took advantage of the media's proclivity.

Florida's legislature has done a good job of protecting the people. Police officers get a different sort of immunity, but they (the state) can be sued so the case is heard in court. But more evidence is necessary to justify dragging an average citizen in on a "self defense charge." Plus, the state is liable to the citizen from bringing unwarranted charges. The "stifle the Nifongs" clause.

37 posted on 03/31/2012 5:29:46 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Netizen

Al and Jessie would NEVER let that be heard.


38 posted on 03/31/2012 5:30:11 PM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: Krankor

Load of horse shit. unfortunately I’m at a party in Palm Springs to give a full explanation but the long and short is that voice is transmitted in waves.

Those waves actually change over different mediums. in order to reach a 90% accuracy you would need to sample an original wave directly from Fisherman.

They are comparing wave signals over cell which are vastly different than those over land lines.

In fact, a land kindling transmission is more accurate to the original wave of the spoken voice than cellular which shorten the wave initially and actually becomes erratic over than various mediums a cell phone travereses .

This guy is ginning garbage for an anterior self serving motive


39 posted on 03/31/2012 5:30:21 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: fortheDeclaration

It’s hard to believe a newspaper like the Tribune would post a story like this unless they completely vetted the so called experts. Yet, I believe this whole incident will be a watershed in the history of journalism. This is far bigger than the Duke fiasco. Because of stories like this, innocent people may die. If they don’t have this story right, I pray for the soul of the editor who allowed this to be published.


40 posted on 03/31/2012 5:30:35 PM PDT by Krankor
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To: Krankor
There are three demo's of the software on the software site. The last compares a voice with the same voice disguised and the same voice with background music. The software salesman says "Anything over 85% is a very very high likelihood" (that it is the same voice.) If 85% is VERY VERY HIGH likelihood what does that mean for a 48% match that compares a SCREAMING agonized CRY recorded from a 911 call by a witness with a direct recorded 911 call of a SPOKEN voice? http://www.easyvoicebiometrics.com/index.php?app=cms&ns=display&ref=videowalkthrough&sid=lm29fktrqvfatr099a0610h14wa10b8p
41 posted on 03/31/2012 5:31:30 PM PDT by gopcharger
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To: Netizen
"Like This is so and so, leave a message?"

I have an answering machine for my landline, but use the default message and not a recorded message of my voice. My cell phone service is with Verizon, and my voice mail only offers a recording of me saying my first and last name at the beginning of the message. The rest of the message is provided by Verizon.

42 posted on 03/31/2012 5:31:42 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Krankor

both hired by naacp and nbc I’m sure, or maybe black al or black jesse....


43 posted on 03/31/2012 5:32:27 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

,,,why would the guy on top beating the other guy be yelling for help? that makes no sense.,,,

no fair using logic or common sense, we have to convict the white-hispanic guy in the court of rush to judgement public opinion


44 posted on 03/31/2012 5:34:05 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Krankor
This is total BS. The following is a direct quote from the report of Officer Timothy Smith of the SPD.

"Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid by the SFD. While the SFD was attending to Zimmerman, I over heard him state "I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me."

So, unless Zimmerman was clairvoyant and knew that there would be a question as to who was yelling for help, it's obvious it was Zimmerman. Sheesh. These people need to give it a rest.

45 posted on 03/31/2012 5:34:25 PM PDT by Shethink13
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To: gopcharger
There are three demo's of the software on the software site. The last compares a voice with the same voice disguised and the same voice with background music. The software salesman says "Anything over 85% is a very very high likelihood" (that it is the same voice.)

If 85% is VERY VERY HIGH likelihood what does that mean for a 48% match that compares a SCREAMING agonized CRY recorded from a 911 call by a witness with a direct recorded 911 call of a SPOKEN voice?

http://www.easyvoicebiometrics.com/index.php?app=cms&ns=display&ref=videowalkthrough&sid=lm29fktrqvfatr099a0610h14wa10b8p

46 posted on 03/31/2012 5:34:25 PM PDT by gopcharger
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To: RIghtwardHo

based on what?


47 posted on 03/31/2012 5:35:08 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: mass55th
I can't find any mention of what specific sample of Zimmerman's voice was used to compare to the 911 call (made by a resident) that contained the screams. Did I miss something in this article?

It's the sentence before the subheading "'CSI' effect."

"...Zimmerman's call to authorities minutes before the shooting provides a good standard for comparison, Primeau says, because it captures his voice both at rest and in an agitated state..."

But I do agree with you that "you can always find an expert to come up with the results you want."

48 posted on 03/31/2012 5:35:16 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: Krankor

It was a ghost.


49 posted on 03/31/2012 5:35:25 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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bkmk


50 posted on 03/31/2012 5:36:51 PM PDT by csense
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