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So-called "Good Schools" and Afterschooling, Preschooling, and Private Tutoring ( Vanity)
April 1, 2012 | slef

Posted on 04/01/2012 8:42:49 AM PDT by wintertime

Regarding: So-called "good" government schools

This “good schools” idea should be closely and critically examined. Why? Because the afterschooling, private tutoring, and preschooling, done by good parents, and the hard work of the child, is never considered when government school districts, ( or real estate agents), proudly proclaim that their schools are "good" schools.

How do we know that these schools are “good” or not, if the contributions of the parent's afterschooling, private tutoring, or the massive amount of work done by the parents in the preschool years, is **never** studied and formally measured?

Perhaps these so-called “good” schools are merely ordinarily bad, but it is the parents in the preschool years, and the child diligently doing homework and projects, and their hard work **IN THE HOME**, ( AKA "afterschooling"), that is the real reason these students have high standardized test scores.

Afterschooling has **never** been studied by education professionals. In more than a decade of posting on forums on the Internet, no teacher or education professor has ever provided me with a link to a study that evaluates the contributions of afterschooling, private tutoring, the efforts by parents with their preschoolers, and the hard work done by students with homework. A Stanford professor of education e-mailed me and told me that none of this has **ever** been specifically studied or carefully measured and evaluated!

Why is this important?

We in the U.S. are literally crushed by government school taxes. Really, we are! In some of our states, the amount spent on government schooling is nearly a quarter of million dollars per child for 13 years of schooling. Essentially, no one ever truly owns their home or business. We are renters. The government is our landlord and property taxes are our rent. And....Please remember that business property taxes (passed on to the customer) raises the price of everything that we buy and use, makes our products less competitive abroad, and encourages businesses to move jobs off-shore.

Look at the serious economic and sad social consequences of single-payer and socialist-entitlement schooling, ..yet... **no one** really knows if our schools are teaching anything. It could be that they are merely sending home a curriculum for the parents and child to follow in the home, serving as testing centers, and providing grading on projects.

Anecdotally, I see the hard work of my own children with my grandchildren. I talk with good parents in my church. They work with their preschoolers every day with Internet programs that teach phonics and beginning arithmetic. In the early years they are supervising homework at the kitchen table. They check regularly to see that their children are not falling behind in reading skills and with basic arithmetic and algebra. They insist on regular study times and habits. They get private tutoring help when needed. (They are essentially doing everything that good homeschooling parents are doing! ) Who will take the credit for the high standardized test scores of these children? Yes, the government school, of course!

Also, ( anecdotal observation), after working with the cub scouts and youth of our church, I have concluded that the **only** children who are learning to read and do basic arithmetic are those children whose parents are, and have done, **tons** of afterschooling and preschooling in the preschool years. ( We live in one of the "reddest" counties in the U.S. and our population is vanilla ice cream white!)

Finally,... ( another anecdotal observation).... I have found that there is little to no difference between academically successful homeschoolers and successful institutionalized children in the amount of formal study done **IN THE HOME**. Both sets of academically successful children ( home or institutionally schooled) have parents with similar home habits and values, and the amount of time spent at the kitchen table or child's desk IN THE HOME is about the same. So?...Isn't it worth taking a good look at whether or not the success of an institutionalized child is due to the so-called "good" government school or due to the efforts of the parents and child **in the home**?


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1 posted on 04/01/2012 8:42:52 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

I can’t read all you wrote right now, but your 1st paragraphs make excellent points.

This is something I’ve noticed in my area. I grew up here, and been here all my life (also went to the public schools). My mother taught through the public system, although never in regular school. My elder siblings also went to school here when they moved.

My mother says never to totally trust that our county is “the highest rated system in the country” or close to it. As she always said, it’s mostly the “culture” of the people here - liberal as they may be, most are “educated” and interested in that. That’s the main reason we’re so high up.

Meanwhile, since I left school I’ve noticed how even in our “great schools” LOTS of children are going to tutoring. I tutored myself as did my mom. And it seems most parents you talk to mention at least 1 child going to after-school tutoring. It just seems like it’s an epidemic. Either the schools really aren’t that good, and/or the kids are that stupid or careless.


2 posted on 04/01/2012 9:11:52 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: wintertime
The flip side of your discussion is that a good school cannot exist unless parents care about their kids getting an education.

The major issues on the government side that detract from education are bad curricula, inability to get rid of bad teachers, and union contracts that actively detract from education.

The lefty curricula we see in schools today is in large part supported by the teacher's union. It substitutes effective educational concepts that worked for centuries with new age garbage. This is all in an attempt to get kids who don't want to learn to magically learn. 50 years of this has been an abysmal failure. The icing on the cake has been No Child Left Behind. The metrics for NCLB has been the expansion of extremely broad based testing. I could have sworn that little kids still go to schools called elementary or primary schools. These tests foster trying to teach young students things they don't need to know, and rampant "teaching to the test." It is a great disservice to all students, regardless of ability.

Every school district has failing teachers. These teachers are supported by a seniority system that outweighs performance. In my experience, both as a parent and a student, I've found a direct correlation between bad teachers and extensive participation in the union process. The worse they are the more they are involved with the union. It is a matter of self preservation.

The last major stumbling block is collective bargaining that robs children of instructional time. The current trend in my local district is having multiple shortened school days to allow for teacher training and planning time. I remember just a few years ago the educational establishment were screaming that the answer was keeping kids in class longer. Now they use a day shorted just enough to count it as a full school day to placate the teacher's union. Other crazy bargaining issues include what Scott Walker is fighting to dismantle in Wisconsin. The teacher's union there had won a contractual agreement that school districts had to buy medical insurance for the teachers, from the teacher's union. The teacher's union is simply contracting from a normal insurance company and skimming a percentage off the top to fill their coffers. That expense has nothing to do with either providing healthcare to teachers or making schools better.

3 posted on 04/01/2012 9:12:38 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: wintertime

Interesting observations. When my son’s preschool started with the whole language nonsense, I got a phonics program to do at home. When he was in 6th grade, I was re-teaching him everything again in the evenings but that was due more to him being an adolescent boy more interested in his friends and girls than in academics. I homeschooled for two years and was able to deviate from the traditional educational model. When he was in 9th grade, I taught at his small Christian school (Yes, I am a teacher). It is sad to say that there are so many factors to a particular student’s success. Try as I might to make my classes fun, interesting and challenging, if there was not the proverbial kick in the pants from home, many students did not care to succeed or even learn. Homeschooling may not be for everyone ( I know of one family who had “gym” practically every day)but I am glad there are options for families to determine the best educational course for their children.


4 posted on 04/01/2012 9:13:15 AM PDT by karatemom
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To: wintertime
How do we know that these schools are “good” or not, if the contributions of the parent's afterschooling, private tutoring, or the massive amount of work done by the parents in the preschool years, is **never** studied and formally measured?

It's actually quite simple.

Students do well when their parents are active participants in their education.

Students do poorly when their parents are not active participants in their education.

"Good schools" is merely an indirect measurement of parent participation.

5 posted on 04/01/2012 9:18:58 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

The brick and mortar school is an expensive proposition from its constuction costs to the costs of its employees.

Homeschooling and cyberschooling would reduce the need for expensive buildings and employees.

Sometimes I think a big reason the 501 school districts here in Pennsylvania exist is to provide athletic facilities and programs.

The districts probably spend on average a million or more to maintain their own athletics after spending millions on gyms, pools and stadiums.

Over half a billion a year at least is spent on school district sports programs with our tax dollars picking up almost all of the cost.

On top of their own programs, the school districts provide free use of their facilities for local youth sports programs subsidizing those sports programs with our tax dollars.


6 posted on 04/01/2012 9:22:31 AM PDT by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: wintertime

The bottom line reason public schools are so inefficient is that they are government bureaucracies.


7 posted on 04/01/2012 9:42:02 AM PDT by Liberty Wins (Newt --named after Isaac Newton?)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

These days a “good” public school is one where there is not violence and a prison atmosphere.


8 posted on 04/01/2012 9:46:21 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: wintertime

Simple truth that modern Americans don’t want to acknowledge: “good schools” overwhelmingly are those with higher income parents who on average have relatively high IQ’s.


9 posted on 04/01/2012 9:48:19 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: wintertime

I remember that at home, my parents had interesting books to read. When I got to school, none of the books were interesting. The lessons were so dull and repetitive. I could never figure out why I had to spend most of the day there. High school was a waste of my time, pure and simple. I still have needed nothing that I studied there.


10 posted on 04/01/2012 10:19:39 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: wintertime
Just once wouldn't it be nice if you led with the truth:

1) Wintertime went to a public school and earned her medical degree from a State university

2) ALL of her children went to public schools when it was convenient.

3) Her Children attended community and State colleges.

4) And what percentage of your Grandchildren are still in public school or attended parochial school because they got a discount because their mother worked there?

11 posted on 04/01/2012 10:20:26 AM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: wintertime

I would disagree with your assessment that ‘good parents’ have their preschoolers on the Internet every day, learning phonics and math. No need for the Internet or a computer for that.


12 posted on 04/01/2012 10:36:02 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: wintertime

Good point. The correlation between income and test scores may not be more public school money per kid but more enrichment and tutoring provided by parents outside of public schools.


13 posted on 04/01/2012 10:50:59 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: 9YearLurker

Exactly what I posted in many fewer words. ;-)


14 posted on 04/01/2012 11:09:56 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: wintertime

Everything from experience to detailed studies shows that good parents (or guardians) make for good students. Much of this is due to what such children learn at home: to sit still, follow directions, behave, and to apply themselves to tasks. Unless and until those things are learned, school is nearly impossible. Once those things are learned, educational progress follows — and often with good parents remedying the defects of classroom teaching.


15 posted on 04/01/2012 11:15:47 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: 9YearLurker
No need for the Internet or a computer for that.
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Indeed! My own homeschoolers are proof of that. All born well before the Internet.

16 posted on 04/01/2012 11:51:18 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Students do well when their parents are active participants in their education.
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Where are the studies that prove that?

Perhaps these studies have never been done because education professionals **know** that such studies would show that:

1) Parents **ARE** the education!
2) Little real teaching or learning happens in institutional schools.
3) Schools are merely testing services.
4) The real teaching and the real learning is happening **in the home**!

If citizens were to learn this ( Parents **are** the education) then support for a quarter of a million dollars per child for 13 years of Prussian-model and prison-like institutional schooling would quickly evaporate in the voting booth.

17 posted on 04/01/2012 12:28:54 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: Nextrush
Sometimes I think a big reason the 501 school districts here in Pennsylvania exist is to provide athletic facilities and programs.
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Wow! That's the truth! I couldn't agree with you more! These sports programs generate “rah rah” support of school budgets in the voting booth.

Personally, all sports cheerleading, drill team, theater, arts, and music should be complete transferred over to the department of parks and recreation! Better yet would be to privatize all of it.

With regard to sports, taxpayers are being forced to subsidize farm teams and minor league teams for our nation's **private** major leagues. UNBELIEVABLE!

By the way, our county just built a 70 million dollar high school. A **major** chunk of that expense was for the playing fields, stadium, and state of the art theater that would match anything on Broadway, music, and art departments.

18 posted on 04/01/2012 12:37:59 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: Liberty Wins
The bottom line reason public schools are so inefficient is that they are government bureaucracies.
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Government schools are the very definition of a compulsory-funded, compulsory-use, single-payer, socialist entitlement.

19 posted on 04/01/2012 12:39:55 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: 9YearLurker
Simple truth that modern Americans don’t want to acknowledge: “good schools” overwhelmingly are those with higher income parents who on average have relatively high IQ’s.
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Parents who are highly self-diciplined have well organized and orderly homes and study habits for their children.

It is my belief that if you know of an educated child, that child has been homeschooled or afterschooled by his parents. It is in the home where the real teaching the the real learning is happening.

Of course, educators would never formally and systematically study this, because the results would show that government schools only do two things:

1) Send home a curriculum for the parents and child to follow **in the home** ! ( Thereby, essentially homeschooling after school).

2) Provide testing and grading of projects.

20 posted on 04/01/2012 12:45:14 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: tbw2

Good point. The correlation between income and test scores may not be more public school money per kid but more enrichment and tutoring provided by parents outside of public schools.
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If carefully examined, studies would show the following:

1) Parents **are** the education. They aren’t just “enrichment”. They **are** the education. Parent of academically successful children are essentially homeschooling after school.

2) Government schools are merely very very very expensive testing services.


21 posted on 04/01/2012 12:48:52 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: Rockingham
and often with good parents remedying the defects of classroom teaching.
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If carefully examined studies would show that parents are NOT remedying the defects of classroom teaching. Studies would show that parents **ARE** the teaching, and the Prussian-style institutional schools are merely testing services.

22 posted on 04/01/2012 12:51:12 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: wintertime
Government schools are the very definition of a compulsory-funded, compulsory-use, single-payer, socialist entitlement.

And yet homeschooling is an option, as well as private and parochial schools.

The facts really never bear out your emotional responses do they

23 posted on 04/01/2012 12:56:26 PM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I resent all the wasted life that I ever spent in my Prussian-model elementary and High Schools. I will never get that time back.


24 posted on 04/01/2012 12:58:01 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: wintertime

Actually, parents can not make up for wasted school days in the evenings. Chrildren come home tired and numb after a day at a school specializing in chaos and stupid.

The schools get a child’s alert, ready to learn, hours. Mom and dad get a worn out kid.

It was a big political ploy run by unions to shift responsibility for the poor shape of public schools from themselves onto parents.


25 posted on 04/01/2012 1:02:00 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: wintertime
Parents **are** the education. They aren’t just “enrichment”. They **are** the education. Parent of academically successful children are essentially homeschooling after school.

Parents should be the "primary" educators of their children. By the time they get to school they should know manners and how to follow directions. They should also know not to make bigoted/ racist comments.

If all parents did this then really education could be done in the schools instead of teaching them all these things that should have been taught at home.

Also this thing you keep erroneously referring to after schooling is wait for it........ called homework.

WOW what a concept actually expecting that things that are taught at school are reinforced so that they have complete understanding.

26 posted on 04/01/2012 1:02:45 PM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: verga
The extra expenses, (on top of crushing socialist godless school taxes), to access home or private schooling has a name: Jizya or ransom.

By the way, there are no private schools in my county. The government school monopoly and price-fixed cartel drove them out of business decades ago. How many businesses can compete with a government that gives a service away for free?

All the pathology seen in our socialist-entitlement and single-payer schools will be seen in Obamacare, and the same arguments used to defend government schooling will be used to defend socialist medicine.

27 posted on 04/01/2012 1:04:15 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: SaraJohnson
Actually, parents can not make up for wasted school days in the evenings. Chrildren come home tired and numb after a day at a school specializing in chaos and stupid.
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Very very good point.

It is amazing that parents of government institutionalized children do as well as they do, given that their kids are exhausted. We should all remember that parents **are** the education. They are supplementing anything.

28 posted on 04/01/2012 1:07:33 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: wintertime

Who is the author named slef?

I am so happy that I was not tasked with after schooling my daughter as she learned Mandarin, Arabic, and German in high school. I am sure my husband is happy to have been left out of that mix as well. I am happy we weren’t tasked with her middle school Latin studies as well. I am sure we could have followed along with the Latin, but I suspect daughter would have taught us. Lol

I do not disagree that public schools are an inefficient mess. I am thankful for the opportunities that our children have had in public and charter schools. I am also tha Kabul that we could homeschool when we believed it to be beneficial. But we do not have a welding shop or a metals shop or an auto shop. Our high school has these facilities and more.


29 posted on 04/01/2012 1:08:38 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: wintertime

Not so. Smart kids don’t need their parents to help them master the curriculum. They generally don’t need to do homework in order to master it either.

Sure, discipline is better than the lack thereof, and smart and educated parents are more likely to provide a good example, have high expectations, and teach their kids good habits.

But the academic cream of the crop rises no matter what the circumstances—they just happen to be concentrated in higher-income communities. There are glaring exceptions in selected immigrant communities, and they used to be much more randomly distributed. But as Charles Murray has documented, the social mobility in the US has led them to be concentrated in the upper-middle-class enclaves that are generally known for their “good schools”.


30 posted on 04/01/2012 1:16:08 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: verga
called homework.
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Homework is **NOT** reinforcement. It **is** the education.

Little of the instruction inside of the godless government classroom is of benefit except to exhaust the child and waste his life.

If a person knows an educated child that child has been homeschooled either through traditional homeschooling or afterschooling ( AKA “homeschooling after school”).

31 posted on 04/01/2012 1:16:47 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: wintertime

Seriously, you can get so much learning into a 2-hour session if you are homeschooling. We can do a few chapters of our math book in 1/2 hour (elementary and kinda fun math), then play recorder for a while, do some knitting, then read a book, write about it, and draw a picture or do some other art project. Then we have time for a nature walk, or playing with the baby. And remember that we have the rest of the day to follow his interests — if we hear about a twister, we can jump online and learn what they are all about.

Learning is part of life forever. It’s not all about what happens in a classroom of 30 peers. It is life.

And when we read and talk about books (we don’t read texts except our math, kinda, but real books by people enamored of their subject), I don’t have to tell him who was gay back then and what gay means. I don’t have to discuss saving the earth. We don’t have to stew over diversity. He’s the most diverse person ever anyway, being a glow-in-the-dark redhead, there are very few of his kind anyway! :)


32 posted on 04/01/2012 1:18:19 PM PDT by Yaelle (Donate to Rick to stop Romney in WI! Make calls, pray, donate!!)
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To: petitfour

slef?
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I missed that! :-)


33 posted on 04/01/2012 1:18:22 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: wintertime; SoftballMominVA
So don't do anything about it!

It is much more productive to sit in front of your computer and whine!

Don't run for the school board! Don't petition and get others involved, just sit around and Kvetch, it is really much more productive than actually doing something.

And BTW you would think that someone as educated as you claim to be would know that the correct spelling of slef(sic) is actually "self."

And BTW none of us believe you that there is no alternative to public schooling.

34 posted on 04/01/2012 1:24:01 PM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: wintertime

Seriously, what if we did away with public schools, which cost taxpayers around $12,000 a child in many places?

What if states gave every 1 custodial parent $2k a year for their school aged children? Let the parents do what they want with it. Buy crack, or spend it on private school tuition - schools will sprout up like mushrooms in every neighborhood - or on curricula and educational trips for homeschoolers.

Bad parents will always be out there. Why should we pay tons of money to house and feed the kids for them? I don’t use the word educate because this kind of kid is not getting educated. Look at Trayvon’s twitter messages and try to claim we are educating everyone in public schools. I dare you.


35 posted on 04/01/2012 1:26:30 PM PDT by Yaelle (Donate to Rick to stop Romney in WI! Make calls, pray, donate!!)
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To: wintertime
Homework is **NOT** reinforcement. It **is** the education.

This is based on how many years of teaching in the public system on your part, Oh that's right ZERO.

Little of the instruction inside of the godless government classroom is of benefit except to exhaust the child and waste his life.

And with out a shred of documentation this is just more of your opinion. And how may of your own children followed your advice to home school?

If a person knows an educated child that child has been homeschooled either through traditional homeschooling or afterschooling ( AKA “homeschooling after school”).

More opinion with out support.

I still have that list of students that you can take under your wing and shut me up once and for all by proving your theory.

h one thing the one that was homeshcooled for the first ten years and was 50 lbs over weight, well he is not on the list, He got himself arrested for punching the snot out of his mother. But his mother might be willing to give you custody of this delightful little imp.

36 posted on 04/01/2012 1:32:47 PM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: wintertime
I resent all the wasted life that I ever spent in my Prussian-model elementary and High Schools.

I am certain that the outstanding teachers that you had also resented your presence, when they could have been working with children whose parents actually taught them respect.

37 posted on 04/01/2012 2:02:55 PM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: verga
This is based on how many years of teaching in the public system on your part, Oh that's right ZERO
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Ok....Where are the studies that separate that which is learned from the **tons** of afterschooling, preschooling, and private tutoring, done by parents from that which is acquired in the Prussian-model classroom?

Where are the studies?

My conclusion:

These studies are not done because it is likely the results would show that it is parents who **are** the education. The government schools are merely sending home the curriculum ( homework) and serving as testing and grading services.

38 posted on 04/01/2012 2:06:06 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: Yaelle

Seriously, what if we did away with public schools,....
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Answer: The same kids who are getting an education now would get an education then. Those not getting an education now would still not get an education.


39 posted on 04/01/2012 2:08:55 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: wintertime

Read the mission statement of your local govt school. If it’s not contradictory and incoherent, it’s probably so vague as to be meaningless.

How can the greatness of an organization be measured if it has no formal purpose?

So what’s it all about, then? The lessons are in schooling itself. Schooling teaches intellectual dependency and conformity. It inculcates passivity. It prevents the exercise of decision-making. Students learn to depend on the judgement of others to determine their self-with.

All of this is intended to create a docile working proletariat of 90% of the students. A small percentage is steered toward medicine and law.

The schooling of the ruling class, the 1-2%, is completely different. It’s classical.


40 posted on 04/01/2012 2:13:34 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: verga

Yeah, my younger daughter, who will be attending Emory Medical in Atlanta this fall is an example of the failure of public schools.

Here’s the thing — put a child with a supportive parent with a teacher who cares about their job and an outstanding student will result. And the best part is that the parent and the teacher can certainly be the same. Doesn’t have to be, but it can be.

Screw up one of those parts of the equation, and something wrong will happen.

Are there great students who are homeschooled? You bet!
Are there great students who are publically schooled? You bet!

Just because one exists, it doesn’t mean the other cannot.


41 posted on 04/01/2012 2:15:18 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

>>Are there great students who are homeschooled? You bet!
Are there great students who are publically schooled? You bet!

Just because one exists, it doesn’t mean the other cannot.<<

Absolutely!!!!

However, I’m paying for both. I want what works. When we get back to the world ranking for education that we had in the 60’s, we can talk about how great the education is in Public Schools.


42 posted on 04/01/2012 2:24:01 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: wintertime

You claim to have a medical degree, get a grant and do a study. Oh wait taht means actually doing something, I keep forgetting yu would rather sit in front of the computer and whine


43 posted on 04/01/2012 2:45:22 PM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: netmilsmom
However, I’m paying for both. I want what works. When we get back to the world ranking for education that we had in the 60’s, we can talk about how great the education is in Public Schools.

And when we have parents that actually take the time to be parents instead of their kids friends like we had in the 60's maybe schools could go back to being institutions of education instead.

The vast majority 60-70 percent of my students are either in single parent homes or living with one step parent. Broken homes create broken kids.

And yes I do have access to the records on this and my numbers are valid.

44 posted on 04/01/2012 2:50:46 PM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: netmilsmom

As a consumer you have a right to have what you are paying for work.

I’ve said many times that the best thing for schools would be for all parents, those that homeschool, use private schools, or public schools to be active at the school board level.

It doesn’t take much ‘salt’ to make the whole loaf rise.


45 posted on 04/01/2012 2:56:44 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: JenB; little jeremiah

Ping.

Of possible interest to those on the ping lists.


46 posted on 04/01/2012 3:07:56 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: SoftballMominVA
Yeah, my younger daughter, who will be attending Emory Medical in Atlanta this fall is an example of the failure of public schools.
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1) How well is your other child doing?

2) It is impossible to do a double blind study on one child. While your daughter is, by today's standards is successful, we don't know how she might have done if you homeschooled her. Who knows? By now, if she had been homeschooled she might already have a Ph.D. and M.D. combined, and not be just entering medical school in the fall.

47 posted on 04/01/2012 3:11:28 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: wintertime; SoftballMominVA

How about something like “Hey SMinV that’s great to hear! Congrats to your daughter” as opposed to the veiled insult to both?

Good grief.


48 posted on 04/01/2012 3:20:35 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: wintertime

My other child is graduating from college next month and is happily married to a wonderful member of the military. She has brought him to Christ through her testimony. They graduated together, from public school.

She is not pursuing graduate school, as she is leaving for Germany after graduation. But then I don’t think she every will go to graduate school. She’s not the student her sister is, just a great young adult who will be a great support to her husband.

Sorry, no ‘gotcha’s’ here, in case you were hoping for one


49 posted on 04/01/2012 3:22:30 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Gabz; Amelia

Yeah, I caught that.

Doesn’t matter, I’m proud of them both. In their own ways they will make their mark. I suspect that when the time comes, my older daughter will be a fabulous mother. She has a beautiful, clear spirit

Did you see the wedding photos? They are on my facebook.


50 posted on 04/01/2012 3:24:23 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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