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Hard to find truth in Zimmermanís call to police

Posted on 04/01/2012 11:27:17 AM PDT by Java4Jay

I’m having great difficulty locating the original full version of Zimmerman’s call to police, one that is not enhanced to make wind noise sound like a racial slur.


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To: Rooivalk

You are mentally deranged. Seek Help.

If by “Zimmerman supporters” you mean those that actually are looking for the truth, unlike yourself, who makes thing up. You are the one who doesn’t care what the truth is, in fact you ignore it. You’re just like Jackson and his twin Sharpton, a race baiter.


151 posted on 04/01/2012 2:07:44 PM PDT by beandog (Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand)
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To: aruanan

The scream I heard on the tapes almost sound like a girl, or an animal. I’m not sure if the one I heard had two screams, or they were just replaying it - it sounded pretty close to the first scream. A terrified scream. I would think that a primal scream in the middle, or thinking it was your last moments in a fight would be hard to match to a “normal” recording of ones voice. Especially over cell phones, and even over regular phones which freeper’s have discussed on other threads.

I’ll wait to see, but the only eye witness, that was actually close enough to see who was who, etc. was a guy by the name of “John” that said the guy on the bottom, wearing a red jacket/sweater was the one crying for help. John told them to “stop it”, then went inside his sliding glass door which was right there to make his 911 call. Before he could call, Martin was shot.

Thank goodness John did the neighborhood watch thing properly and just “reported” and not get involved. /s


152 posted on 04/01/2012 2:09:09 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Clintonfatigued

153 posted on 04/01/2012 2:09:10 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: 21twelve
I’ll wait to see, but the only eye witness, that was actually close enough to see who was who, etc. was a guy by the name of “John” that said the guy on the bottom, wearing a red jacket/sweater was the one crying for help.

I think it's also worth noting that "John" first gave his account publicly the day after the shooting - well before any of the publicity surrounding the case.

154 posted on 04/01/2012 2:13:19 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Cboldt

*snicker*


155 posted on 04/01/2012 2:15:12 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Rooivalk

So you concede that I have debunked all your other assertions, and that now the only reason you remain unconvinced is your belief that Zimmerman received “special treatment” because his father is a retired magistrate from Virginia?


156 posted on 04/01/2012 2:16:02 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: Rooivalk
And you do realize that Zimmerman's father is a powerful judge with a history of getting Zimmerman out of scrapes with the law?

A retired magistrate judge from the state of Virginia is not one with power, especially in the state of Florida. Again, your speculative accusations are ridiculous and do nothing to support your baseless and glaring guilty verdict of George Zimmerman.

157 posted on 04/01/2012 2:16:44 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: PhatHead

“...well before any of the publicity surrounding the case. “

Thanks - I didn’t know that. What I did find interesting is his description “guy in a red jacket”, “the guy on top”. No names, no skin color, no “the child”, etc.


158 posted on 04/01/2012 2:16:44 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve

There was a second witness, the thirteen year old Austin Brown, who also stated that Zimmerman was on the bottom getting hit by the guy on top. BTW, Austin Brown is a young black boy.


159 posted on 04/01/2012 2:18:11 PM PDT by Seeking the truth
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To: Rooivalk
People who are getting beaten are likely to call for help - not those who are administering the beating. Your scenario makes no sense whatsoever.

That Zimmerman was getting the s**t beat out of him is completely backed by witnesses, medical reports and physical evidence.

These are called FACTS. Unlike your personal delusions and the voice soothsayers you're bring to the table.

160 posted on 04/01/2012 2:18:31 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: Rooivalk
Well folks?

No sample of Martin's voice was available to test.

161 posted on 04/01/2012 2:18:31 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: JoeProBono

Go to the link in #16 , read the burglary reports and see if you see a pattern.
Sounds like a community under assault. One was a home invasion with the poor woman hiding, locked in her bedroom, with the police arriving just in time.
Zimmerman contacted the victim and told her that she could stay at his home, with his wife, if she ever felt frightened.
Sounds like a guy concerned with the welfare of his community.


162 posted on 04/01/2012 2:18:41 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: TigerClaws
So your version is that Zimmerman was “getting his a$$ kicked” And used his gun? Well, guess what. If someone is beating you up and putting you in risk of grave bodily harm, you have the legal right to kill them.

Since you were not there it seems that the grave bodily harm was inflicted by Zimmerman. And since the autopsy on Martin has "sealed" what damage did Zimmerman inflict on Martin before he shot him?

You just explained why no charges were filed I’m your own post.

Someone higher than the homicide investigators prevented the charges from going further. The true reason is yet to be revealed. The laugh I am going to have is when charges ARE filed against Zimmerman how you are going to act

Better luck race baiting next time.

You are the one that keeps mentioning race. I have yet to bring up the race of either parties in this discussion. Are you obsessed with race somehow? Does race play a big part in this killing somehow? It seems to play a big part in your life. Why?
163 posted on 04/01/2012 2:18:50 PM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: Rooivalk
Zimmerman was getting his a$$ kicked...

Definitely excessive force, why didn't Martin back off and retreat?

164 posted on 04/01/2012 2:19:04 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: AAABEST

*bringing.


165 posted on 04/01/2012 2:19:24 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: moehoward
As if Martin was screaming for help for some 30 to 45 seconds while Zimmerman did what?

Interesting question. It would require some rather strained speculation to come up with an answer that squares with the witness statements and with Zimmerman's injuries. FWIW, the screaming lasted longer than 45 seconds. It is audible for 45 seconds on the 911 call, and that call was made because the caller had already been hearing screaming for an unknown length of time.

166 posted on 04/01/2012 2:20:49 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: kanawa
No sample of Martin's voice was available to test.

Yet when the voice sample was compared to Zimmerman's it was clearly not him doing the screaming. Imagine that!

There were two voices on that tape and if you eliminate Zimmerman's then who do you have left?

That's right Martin's
167 posted on 04/01/2012 2:23:13 PM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: 21twelve

Forgot to mention that the ABC report about Austin Brown also described Brown saying that Zimmerman “moaning and crying for help”.

This is two contemporaneous witnesses reporting “crying out for help”....John & Austin Brown.


168 posted on 04/01/2012 2:23:16 PM PDT by Seeking the truth
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To: Rooivalk
No sample of Martin's voice was available to test.

Mr Owen was unable to compare the screams to those of Trayvon's because he does not have a sample of the teenager's voice.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2123492/Trayvon-Martin-case-Experts-say-desperate-cries-help-George-Zimmerman.html

169 posted on 04/01/2012 2:25:30 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: 101stAirborneVet
Magistrate. Big difference in Virginia.

Thanks.

I had seen him characterized as a US magistrate, but I'm pretty sure he was actually a Virginia Supreme Court magistrate, apparently the lowest level of the Virginia state court system.

George's mother, Gladys Cristina Zimmerman, was a deputy court clerk and worked as a translator at the Prince William County Courthouse in Manassas and also performed civil marriages in Spanish.

170 posted on 04/01/2012 2:26:29 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Rooivalk
Someone higher than the homicide investigators prevented the charges from going further. The true reason is yet to be revealed.

That person was the Prosecutor and the reason was lack of evidence. Geez, I thought you were up on all this stuff?

171 posted on 04/01/2012 2:26:46 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: PhatHead

Wonder if this is the same neighbor that was interviewed by another media, when he was filing out a complaint of life being threatened for standing up for Z

If not there are two neighbors giving the same background.


172 posted on 04/01/2012 2:28:37 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Definitely excessive force, why didn't Martin back off and retreat?

Once Zimmerman left his truck and decided to pursue, he became the aggressor. And Zimmerman has admitted he was in pursuit. Any other questions?

That gun Zimmerman was carrying gave him in his mind the power to do things he might not have done in a regular setting.
173 posted on 04/01/2012 2:28:50 PM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: kanawa

So the outcome of this crack analysis is, there’s some 50% chance it’s Zimmerman, and zero percent chance it’s Martin.

Got it.


174 posted on 04/01/2012 2:30:10 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Rooivalk
Imagine that!

The software gave a 48% match...

the eyewitness gave a 100% match.

175 posted on 04/01/2012 2:31:33 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Rooivalk

Do you ever get tired of revealing your own stupidity? I mean you’ve had to backtrack so many times.....everytime the media spits out edited/enhanced “proof” it is refuted within days and you have to backtrack from the ridiculous claims you’ve made on these threads. How embarrassing.

“Someone higher than the homicide investigators prevented the charges from going further. The true reason is yet to be revealed.”

It’s called a “prosecutor”. Their job is to determine if charges are warranted based on the evidence collected by the investigator. In this case the prosecutor determined charges were not warranted due to the lack of evidence that would be required to convict. Charges were not prevented from going further. There were no charges. Stop repeating this.


176 posted on 04/01/2012 2:34:10 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: cynwoody; 101stAirborneVet
It may also be worth noting (as I think you did above) that he was a magistrate for only six years.

It has also been reported that he "is a retired military man. He could be strict." I think the combination of these two things suggests a) Robert Zimmerman does not have a lifelong network of legal connections, and b) he doesn't fit the profile of a guy who'd pull strings.

177 posted on 04/01/2012 2:34:10 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Rooivalk
The laugh I am going to have is when charges ARE filed against Zimmerman how you are going to act

I have no doubt that the MSM pressure is going to force charges to be needlessly filed against Mr. Zimmerman.

How are YOU going to feel when he is found not guilty of the most severe accusations that are going to be leveled at him?

For what it's worth, you don't belong here anyway. This site is a forum for those who believe in the constitution and the guarantee that a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.......not in the court of public opinion.

178 posted on 04/01/2012 2:36:03 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: aruanan
Vocal background here: From listening to pitch in spoken tape Z is a tenor. He didn't support his tone from the diaphragm so it is a “Light tenor” or breathy voice. When one is under stress vocal tone get higher (Think Sarah Palin) The voice heard yelling for help is consistent with zzimmerman's spoken voice.
179 posted on 04/01/2012 2:38:03 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: beandog
You are mentally deranged. Seek Help

I have called you no names and have tried to keep things civil. Can you say the same?

If by “Zimmerman supporters” you mean those that actually are looking for the truth, unlike yourself, who makes thing up. You are the one who doesn’t care what the truth is, in fact you ignore it. You’re just like Jackson and his twin Sharpton, a race baiter

More with the race thing. Frankly all you want is what Zimmerman wants and that is for this to "blow over"

Had it not been people continuing to call for a FULL INVESTIGATION of this shooting Zimmerman would not in hiding and walking the streets today

But Zimmerman bit off more than he could chew and now God is in the mix watching and making things happen behind the scenes.

Zimmerman took a life. And he will have to stand before God and explain his actions in this life or the next.

I am glad I am not in his shoes.
180 posted on 04/01/2012 2:38:29 PM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: Rooivalk

Once Zimmerman left his truck and decided to pursue, he became the aggressor. And Zimmerman has admitted he was in pursuit. Any other questions?

Once Zimmerman lost sight of Martin there was no pursuit. Any questions?


181 posted on 04/01/2012 2:39:18 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Hot Tabasco
I have no doubt that the MSM pressure is going to force charges to be needlessly filed against Mr. Zimmerman.

You forget that somebody else saw what happened that night and that person is Almighty God.

And he ALWAYS has the last word.
182 posted on 04/01/2012 2:41:11 PM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: hoosiermama

Certainly anybody coming forward now to support Zimmerman would have legitimate reasons to fear for their safety. Frankly, some of the unhinged comments I’ve seen even here on FR (including this thread...) are so utterly untethered from the known facts, or rational consideration of those facts, that it is difficult to imagine Zimmerman receiving a fair trial (if it comes to that.)

I’m not talking about simple speculation that he may be guilty. That’s legitimate. I’m talking about the shrill assertions that it is “obvious” that he is a lying criminal supported by a lying, incompetent, racist city government.

The conspiracy mindset at its worst.


183 posted on 04/01/2012 2:41:16 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: trappedincanuckistan
Why didn’t Martin call police if he felt threatened?

He tried. Reached for his phone and Martin decked him. This is all over FR; guess you haven't been following it. Understandable, being in Canada.

184 posted on 04/01/2012 2:42:27 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Rooivalk
LARRY SMITH JR - FELONY AGGRAVATED BATTERY ON CHILD

Reduced to Misdemeanor charges, sentenced to anger management classes and probation. (Dad must have been "powerful" retired Virginia magistrate).

TARA SMITH - FELONY BURGLARY WITH ASSAULT/BATTERY

Reduced to Misdemeanor charges, probation before judgment. (Dad must have been "powerful" retired Virginia magistrate).

BENJAMIN JONES III - FELONY AGGRAVATED ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON AND BATTERY

Reduced to Misdemeanor charges, probation. (Dad must have been "powerful" retired Virginia magistrate).

ASEIAL JONES - FELONY ROBBERY WITH A DEADLY WEAPON

Charges dropped (gasp!). (Dad must have been "EXTREMELY powerful" retired Virginia magistrate).

185 posted on 04/01/2012 2:42:58 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: moehoward
So the outcome of this crack analysis is, there’s some 50% chance it’s Zimmerman, and zero percent chance it’s Martin.

You're almost there....

Without a sample of Martin's voice (and disregarding the eyewitness), we are to believe
there is a 48% chance it's Z calling for help and a 100% chance it's M.

/lynchmobanalysis

186 posted on 04/01/2012 2:43:28 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Rooivalk

“Had it not been people continuing to call for a FULL INVESTIGATION of this shooting Zimmerman would not in hiding and walking the streets today ...” That’s a boldfaced lie and you know it, and that reveals to us you are here with an agenda, asshat. Now, focus your leftist mind on the ‘asshat’ and ignore the facts about your exposure. You’re a liar and that reveals an agenda. The BPP put a bounty on George Zimmerman, the fool spike lee tried to make trouble by posting Zimmerman’s address and gave the wrong addrss ... no, those racist pricks had no desire for ‘full investigation’ they wanted white blood for the blood of the thuggish dead teen. The death is a terrible tragedy, but it was the teen who chose to jump on the Hispanic guy, for whatever reason. Are you too just a blind racist, asshat?


187 posted on 04/01/2012 2:43:34 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Rooivalk

Okay, liar, you also may have the young teen who was eyewitness screaming for help. but of course that doesn’t fit your lying agenda, racist.


188 posted on 04/01/2012 2:44:58 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
Once Zimmerman lost sight of Martin there was no pursuit. Any questions?

Zimmerman had to leave his truck to "lose sight". It was then that he had his confrontation. Remember now. Zimmerman was OUTSIDE his truck and armed with a gun when he went on his mission to "maintain sight"

The question you Zimmerman supporters try to dance around was why did he have to "maintain sight"?

By his own admission he had not observed Martin committing any crime

So why was Zimmerman so obsessed with "maintaining sight"

Anybody want to tackle that question?
189 posted on 04/01/2012 2:47:39 PM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: BfloGuy

I’ve been keeping very good track of this story. Read my post again. I think you missed my point. If Martin was threatened by Zimmerman following him why didn’t he call police?

You answered he (meaning Zimmerman) did and Martin decked him. That doesn’t make sense in light of my question.


190 posted on 04/01/2012 2:47:44 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Rooivalk
"Since you were not there it seems that the grave bodily harm was inflicted by Zimmerman. And since the autopsy on Martin has "sealed" what damage did Zimmerman inflict on Martin before he shot him?"

None, according to the mortician (a brutha and Trayvon supporter).

191 posted on 04/01/2012 2:49:15 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: MHGinTN
Okay, liar, you also may have the young teen who was eyewitness screaming for help. but of course that doesn’t fit your lying agenda, racist.

I must be scoring on you something terrible since you have to call names and try to resort to the race card to shore up your weak responses

Well as they say: Sticks and stones.....
192 posted on 04/01/2012 2:50:10 PM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: MHGinTN

This reminds me of the Chinese rocket launch off LA.
In spite of a mountain of evidence proving it an incoming airliner,
there are still some who cannot let go of the rocket theory.

People are weird.


193 posted on 04/01/2012 2:50:14 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Rooivalk

I sure hope when this is all over Zimmerman gets a lawyer to comb the Internet for actionable slander. You will be paying Zimmerman half your salary for the rest of your life and I will be laughing my azz off. You’re a racist, imbecilic low life left wing POS.


194 posted on 04/01/2012 2:50:33 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: Rooivalk
So why was Zimmerman so obsessed with "maintaining sight"

So he could point the police in the right direction once they arrived on the scene.

195 posted on 04/01/2012 2:50:57 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Rooivalk
That gun Zimmerman was carrying gave him in his mind the power to do things he might not have done in a regular setting.

Prove it. Prove Zimmerman initiated the fisticuffs.

You can spin all the theories you want. But if you can't prove Zimmerman attacked, there is no crime.

In fact, given what we now know about Martin, Zimmerman's story is totally plausible. Martin was justifiably pissed at having attracted attention for walking while black in a hoodie on a dark and rainy evening with his hands in his pockets. So far, so good. But, alas, Martin caused his own death when he unwisely and unjustifiably lost it and attacked Zimmerman.

There's a good reconstruction of what probably happened here.

196 posted on 04/01/2012 2:52:19 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Rooivalk
So why was Zimmerman so obsessed with "maintaining sight"

Anybody want to tackle that question?

He was Neighborhood Watch, tough to watch without maintaining sight.

197 posted on 04/01/2012 2:53:37 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Rooivalk

Scoring? Further proof that you have an agenda. I called you what you are. And I suspect you’re also a racist bigot. You try to hide behind name calling so your flawed deceits will not be the focus. FAIL, fool. You are a racist at work on FR. You won’t be around much longer so your childish ‘score’ will be fogotten soon. Buh bye


198 posted on 04/01/2012 2:53:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Rooivalk

Scoring? Further proof that you have an agenda. I called you what you are. And I suspect you’re also a racist bigot. You try to hide behind name calling so your flawed deceits will not be the focus. FAIL, fool. You are a racist at work on FR. You won’t be around much longer so your childish ‘score’ will be forgotten soon. Buh bye


199 posted on 04/01/2012 2:53:50 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Rooivalk

The question you Zimmerman supporters try to dance around was why did he have to “maintain sight”?

Ummm... so police could find Martin once they arrived? (btw you have asked this question before and it has been answered over and over and over......)

“By his own admission he had not observed Martin committing any crime”

The phone call transcript indicates Zimmerman had observed Martin acting suspiciously. (and again you keep repeating the same things over and over and over...)


200 posted on 04/01/2012 2:53:50 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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