Skip to comments.Hard to find truth in Zimmermanís call to police
Posted on 04/01/2012 11:27:17 AM PDT by Java4Jay
Im having great difficulty locating the original full version of Zimmermans call to police, one that is not enhanced to make wind noise sound like a racial slur.
Looked at ABC Snooze website and
need a vomit bag can't find the phone records.
Does the girl friend ever call 911 reporting she lost comms with Trayvon?
What’s very interesting is that there has been at least one investigator with a clear, stated bias against Zimmerman actively working the case since nearly a month ago. Talk about contradicting the media narrative.
I guess we will find out whether he actually found anything, but it’s my assumption that this theory was just speculation on Serino’s part.
Can't tell that from Trayvon's phone record.
She's a weak link in Trayvon's defense team. Didn't go to Trayvon's wake. I think she avoided it because she knows too much, and her knowledge is damning of Trayvon. She's protecting his memory, and will sink Z if that's what it takes.
Check www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2866283/posts?page=101#101 for links to stories; one links to phone record.
I think even if there was a first conversation, as recounted, and then the recorded call (and that combination has Z and TM in visual contact for longer than the recorded call), the ultimate conclusion doesn't change, because the ultimate conclusion is driven 100% by the confrontation that ended in a shooting.
BUT, if Serino is fabricating a first encounter, and alleging a race-based bias ("profiling") "between the lines," then he has an agenda of his own, and he is willing to be dishonest to advance it.
He could also be an insider feeding crap to ABC.
Another observation. This "first encounter" is contradicted by Crump's recounting of DeeDee's phone conversation, too. Only one initiation of verbal contact in the DeeDee/Crump version of events, and that encounter is the one that ended with TM dead.
Okay, despite the witnesses, EMTs, police and physical evidence, you're still relying on the tape, WHICH NBC ADMITS SHOWS INJURIES.
So, you're on a mission to prove to everyone in this thread that you're an abject moron?
Exposition of the media's lies and distortions is useful, though - particularly in light of the extreme politicization of this incident.
On display is an alarming abuse of federal power, as well as an unacceptable legal double standard. This case, for no particular reason aside from the political, is the target of a federal investigation regarding "civil rights". The Attorney General proclaims that only whites can be guilty of "hate crimes", and the government permits Black Panthers to issue bounties on white citizens with apparent impunity. In effect, whites now have fewer "civil rights" than blacks. Apparently the idea expressed in the Declaration of Independence, "that all men are created equal", is considered obsolete by the current Regime.
This country is starting to resemble a Racist Marxist Thugocracy.
I think it's more likely that those second-hand reports of what was said by detectives is simply misunderstood, just like the "squeaky clean" misunderstanding.
And again, I question the whole narrative about Serino really trying to go after Zimmerman. Absent some other source than "anonymous" ones speaking to ABC News, I'm not convinced. Especially since the charging document presented as SOP could easily be spun by the media as "going after" Zimmerman.
Do you have a link to that material? Thought the parents didn’t want her name revealed....SO we’ve been told more?
Zimmerman was on the phone with the dispatcher when TM “checked him out” one would have been able to hear a conversation between the two if there had been one....How does this coordinate with DeeDee’s story?
I am skeptical of the "misunderstanding" explanation, because the narrative is more complex than a mistaken attribution. Mistaken attribution is a very common error, easy one to make. But "walked up to the car, had such and so conversation, and window rolled up" is too much information to be a function of "bad hearing" (bad comprehension) on the part of Tracy.
"Squeaky clean" is a misattribution error. Serino was attributing that to Zimmerman; Tracy heard it attributed to the police department. But everybody agrees "squeaky clean" was said in reference to Zimmerman's record.
-- I question the whole narrative about Serino really trying to go after Zimmerman. --
He appears at an eyewitnesses house on March 5th - the woman whose child is the 13 year old dog-walking witness. This is what she said about that meeting:
[Serino] told me that he and the other officer with him felt that it was not self-defense and that they needed to prove it wasn't self-defense. And he said that I needed to read between the line because there was some stereotyping going on.... I took it to mean that he felt that George Zimmerman committed this crime based on whether it's stereotyping or racial profiling or whatever you want to call it. But those were his words. Stereotyping.
If all he's done is present the best case, and suggest or recommend it be no billed, why is he singing a different tune when speaking to the public?
Not sure if you were asking me a question before or if you knew the answer about if she called 911. Interesting on her not showing up for the funeral. With regard to the 911 call, does it seem like she probably didn’t? But if she didn’t call it may be just be she wasn’t exactly sure where he was or something, if she was back in his home town and he went “to go stay with my dad”. As an adult I sure would have called and tried to figure out something, but a kid...?
Or - his last statements to her were “I’ll call you back after I get done whuppin’ this cracker”.
Well, the police would have a more complete timeline than we do - including store video - which could preclude the possibility of an earlier encounter. I still don’t know how much stock I’d put in an account of an account of an account, though, you know?
Thanks Phathead - not following everything so thanks for the account of the “conversation” by Z’s father.
And yes Reese - it very well may have been BOTH were in fear of danger.
[Crump] then pieced together what happened that day, based on the 911 call, phone logs and the girlfriend's testimony: Martin was talking to his girlfriend as he was walking to the store, and phone logs show "without any doubt" that he was on the phone the entire way there and on the way back. He told her he wanted to make it home before it started raining. When it began raining, he ran to the first building he saw. Then he went back to walking, and back to talking to her. At that point, Martin told his girlfriend he thought a man was following her -- and she told him to be careful and run home. The girl said she heard him catch up to Martin, and could tell an altercation occurred, before the call dropped.
I don't recall where I got the name, DeeDee. But see Trayvon Martin case: Three key questions still not answered - Is 'DeeDee' telling the truth about the phone call? - CSMonitor.com.
-- Zimmerman was on the phone with the dispatcher when TM "checked him out" one would have been able to hear a conversation between the two if there had been one....How does this coordinate with DeeDee's story? --
I have found no correlation. If Z and the recorded call is truthful, and DeeDee is on the phone, she wouldn't want to recount TM staring down and taunting Z with a hand in the waistband. There is nothing in Crump's recounting of DeeDee's story that has TM confronting Z while he's in his car.
It was meant to be a statement. On reflection, the reports are that she did NOT contact police until weeks later.
But nothing in the telephone log that I looked at, Trayvon's phone log, could show DeeDee calls out to numbers other than Trayvon's number.
IF there was a first verbal exchange, I'm picturing it as having to take place 10 to 180 seconds before the recorded call to dispatch starts. Quick contact, Z is suspicious, TM stays in visual range, Z calls dispatch.
The only reasons this is bugging me is Z's credibility and Serino's credibility. I don't see a first encounter as affecting the ultimate outcome at all.
Seems like a lot of people are filling in blanks that are not empty. Then they are giving the material to MSM who irresponsibly are repeating it.
NBC’s internal review is a OMG we got caught, how do we cover our azz from a lawsuit moment. Hope their settlement with George finances beach front mansion.
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