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Hard to find truth in Zimmermanís call to police

Posted on 04/01/2012 11:27:17 AM PDT by Java4Jay

I’m having great difficulty locating the original full version of Zimmerman’s call to police, one that is not enhanced to make wind noise sound like a racial slur.


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To: Mears

They were never caught as far as I know.


251 posted on 04/01/2012 4:46:21 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: OneLoyalAmerican

That picture has been shown everywhere from Breitbart to MSNBC. Furthermore, Zimmerman’s neighbour attests that the day after the incident Zimmerman’s head was bandaged.


252 posted on 04/01/2012 4:47:40 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Alice in Wonderland
The link you give to Martin's father goes nowhere.
You have the same problem with the link in post 230
Go here...HTML Sandbox 2012 and scroll down to How to create a link:

The only one privy to the conversation was Martin's girl friend
and her report doesn't fit with what you report Martin's father has said...

The 16-year-old girl, who was not identified, said in a phone call recorded by ABC News this morning that as Trayvon was walking he told her "some man was watching him" so he pulled his hoodie over his head.

She told attorneys she then heard the 17-year-old ask "What are you following me for?"

Then a man, presumably Zimmerman, replied: "What are you doing around here?" The girl said Trayvon must have been pushed because his headset fell off and the phone call ended.


253 posted on 04/01/2012 4:47:52 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: PhatHead
I'd like to know how investigator Serino reached the conclusion that Martin spoke with Zimmerman twice, minutes apart. First contact at the car, then Z gets out minutes later to find TM.

If there had been a first contact that involved conversation, it doesn't appear on the recording of Z with dispatch. I wonder if Serino is planting a BS story with the family - stirring the pot if you will. Or did Z give a different version?

A police detective told the father of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin that his son initiated two confrontations with the neighborhood watch volunteer who fatally shot him. ...

Trayvon Martin walked up to Zimmerman's vehicle and asked why he was following him. Zimmerman denied following the youth and rolled up the car window. Minutes after Trayvon walked away, Zimmerman got out of his vehicle.

To square this away with the recorded call, this encounter would have happened (minutes) before Z called dispatch.

The length of time on the recorded call has TM in sight for a good 30 seconds, staring, getting closer, hands in waistband, staring some more, then run. Is all this a pure fabrication by Z?

254 posted on 04/01/2012 4:51:32 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: kanawa
-- The only one privy to the conversation was Martin's girl friend ... --

Crump, the family lawyer, has DeeDee in conversation with Trayvon for all or most of his trip to the store and back. I wonder if HER story includes to "confrontations", minutes apart, where TM was close enough to Z to carry on a dialog; and did carry on a dialog.

255 posted on 04/01/2012 4:55:35 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: trappedincanuckistan

Greetings trappedincanuckistan:

Thanks for the confirmation.

Cheers,
OLA


256 posted on 04/01/2012 4:56:01 PM PDT by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others provide citations.)
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To: Cboldt
Serino indicates a theory including two face to face confrontations, minutes apart. One at Zimmerman's car (I wonder if that's the one with no words, where Martin gets close, stares, puts his hands in his waistband, then turns and runs),

It's more than a theory, I'd say. This is on the recording of Zimmerman's call to police, and there's no reason to think Zimmerman was fabricating this account - although I'm not sure I'd call it a "confrontation": "Something’s wrong with him. Ayup, he's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is."

the other at the location where the fight started.

Well, we know this happened. We just don't know how it happened. But there is no known evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims. Has the Serino affidavit been published anyplace? From the reports I've seen, it's not clear to me that there is anything unusual about it.

257 posted on 04/01/2012 4:57:05 PM PDT by PhatHead
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I said: I wonder if Serino is planting a BS story with the family - stirring the pot if you will.

To explain why I think of his remarks as "stirring the pot," in his meeting with the 13 yo witness's mother, he suggests that Z was driven by profiling - that he was seeking evidence of that, or otherwise catching Z in a lie.

[Serino] told me that he and the other officer with him felt that it was not self-defense and that they needed to prove it wasn't self-defense. And he said that I needed to read between the line because there was some stereotyping going on.... I took it to mean that he felt that George Zimmerman committed this crime based on whether it's stereotyping or racial profiling or whatever you want to call it. But those were his words. Stereotyping.

Need to "read between the lines." Otherwise known as pull out of thin air.

258 posted on 04/01/2012 4:59:52 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: OneLoyalAmerican

No problem. Things move fast. If you’re not on here everyday (as I suspect many aren’t) it’s hard to keep up. I try to keep fairly up to date, but there are many here like PhatHead and cboldt that are far more familiar with the details than I am.


259 posted on 04/01/2012 5:00:30 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Cboldt

Well, I posted earlier that I really am not concerned about the father’s account of a policeman’s account of somebody else’s account. I replied to you in another post about the “two encounters.”


260 posted on 04/01/2012 5:00:49 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Cboldt
To explain why I think of his remarks as "stirring the pot," in his meeting with the 13 yo witness's mother, he suggests that Z was driven by profiling - that he was seeking evidence of that, or otherwise catching Z in a lie.

That's really interesting, and I had not read that. There are quite a few reports in which it is suggested (with no backing) that police were biased in favor of Zimmerman, and guided witness statements in that direction. Do you have a link for this report (I will of course look for it myself.)

261 posted on 04/01/2012 5:03:58 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: 21twelve

Greetings 21twelve:

Did the girlfriend call 911 after Trayvon is allegedly confronted by Zimmerman and she can not re-establish the conversation with Trayvon?

Cheers,
OLA


262 posted on 04/01/2012 5:04:37 PM PDT by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others provide citations.)
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To: PhatHead
But in Serino's account, TM and Z exchange words in that first encounter. That's what has me puzzled.

According to Tracy Martin, the Sanford, Fla., detective recounted this sequence of events: Trayvon Martin walked up to Zimmerman's vehicle and asked why he was following him. Zimmerman denied following the youth and rolled up the car window. Minutes after Trayvon walked away, Zimmerman got out of his vehicle.

Then came the second encounter, according to Tracy Martin's recollection of the detective's account. Trayvon Martin appeared from behind a building in Zimmerman's gated community, approached him and demanded, "What's your problem, homie?" ...

The second paragraph of that tracks Z's testimony, as told by brother and father, but what about the first paragraph? That doesn't correspond with the time-frame of the recorded Z call with dispatch.
263 posted on 04/01/2012 5:05:11 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
Crump, the family lawyer, has DeeDee in conversation with Trayvon for all or most of his trip to the store and back.

ABC News confirmed a call from Martin to Dee Dee starting at 19:12 (they posted a photo - phone #'s obscured - of the cellular bill.) This is about the time Zimmerman was reporting that Martin had run away, and lasting nearly until Zimmerman was first heard yelling for help. That call lasted four minutes. There were other calls throughout the day between Martin and DeeDee.

264 posted on 04/01/2012 5:08:15 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: PhatHead
I'm not overly concerned with what his father says, to be honest. I lost a son myself three years ago, and I would give the parents a lot of leeway considering the emotional strain they are under. I don't grant the same leeway to the people trying to exploit their grief. As for the voice recognition part, I'm inclined to think the father's first reaction is the more credible, for the simple reason that I believe it was given in a less politically charged context.

So sorry for your loss.

Completely agree with your logic.

265 posted on 04/01/2012 5:09:58 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: PhatHead
Here is the root link I am working from: George Zimmerman's crumbling story, part 3: the detective - WaPo - Jonathan Capehart

Embedded in that are several interesting links.

I agree with you that the "two conversations" remark might be misinterpretation by Tracy. But that's a fairly detailed accounting, and not apt to be conjured out of thin air by Tracy.

So, I am thinking that Serino has this theory in his mind (IOW, it isn't a Tracy misunderstanding), and I wonder how he got it. If Serino has this belief, it would tend to explain why he's not keen on Z - Z could have squared the whole suspicion thing up during the first conversation.

266 posted on 04/01/2012 5:12:08 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

I can’t imagine that part would have been edited out of the recording, so I guess he must be saying that Zimmerman was back in his car after the call, then left the car again. But there was not a lot of time between the call and the fight - 2 1/2 minutes max - for a second encounter at the car to have occurred.


267 posted on 04/01/2012 5:12:08 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: 21twelve
So I’m not sure TM “Jumped” Zimmerman from behind - but probably started off with words that got out of control. (Although perhaps caught him off guard hiding behind a bush or something).

Reports of Zimmerman's initial statement (not confirmed or denied by the police at this point):

"Zimmerman told police that he lost sight of Martin and was walking back to his SUV when Martin approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.

Martin asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Martin responded, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose."

[Side note: I've seen reports that GZ's father is now saying that TM said, "You're gonna die now, m******f******" or something to that effect which is much more inflammatory than GZ's reported, "Well, you do now."]

Martin's girlfriend doesn't know who spotted whom first but she does confirm that TM was the first to speak -- "Why you following me?" and GZ's "What are you doing here?" (Was this the exchange of words mentioned in GZ's reported statement?)

She also claims that she heard a scuffle followed by a disconnected line. And like the initial sighting, she would have no way to know if this scuffle was initiated by TM or by GM.

Proposed theory: Is it possible that the "you got a problem?" and the "no" came after a bit of shoving or grabbing by one or both? When GZ reached for his phone, did TM see the gun holster tucked inside his waistband? Is is possible that he punched GZ because he mistakenly though GZ was going for his gun at that point? If you punch a guy with a gun, a guy that you know spent several minutes watching you for no reason that you're aware of, do you then let him up or do you make sure he's incapacitated before you stop?

Said in previous threads and repeating here for good measure here: I don't think either of these guys thought they were the bad guy. There seems to be ample indication that each was highly suspicious of the other. Tension was likely high on both sides and each reacted accordingly. Unfortunately, it ended very badly for both of them.

268 posted on 04/01/2012 5:12:31 PM PDT by Reese Hamm
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To: PhatHead
-- ABC News confirmed a call from Martin to Dee Dee starting at 19:12 --

The phone bill relates to Trayvon's phone (see "Welcome tracy" on the bill)

So, that 7:12 call is DeeDee calling Martin, not the other way around.

269 posted on 04/01/2012 5:14:33 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Reese Hamm

There is no way to prove that Zimmerman is guilty of anything. All the evidence supported Zimmerman’s story.

There is no point in all this conjecture.

I’m wondering if Zimmerman can sue NBC for that edited tape that NBC touted as the “smoking gun”?


270 posted on 04/01/2012 5:17:41 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Rooivalk
So why was Zimmerman so obsessed with “maintaining sight”

Anybody want to tackle that question

Yeah sure, he thought Martin was acting suspicious many burglaries recently, common sense says he tried to maintain sight to see if Martin broke into a house or where he went so he could tell the cops when they got there-he knew they were on their way so why would nhe shoot someone without reason when he kney the cops woudl be there very soon? If he was on top of Martin pummeling him how would that look when the cops showed up? Martin had no wounds accordingf to funeral director so why would he be screaming, did he want his skittles that bad to scream for them?

oh yea here is the non-refundable fee schedule for “voice analysis” by Owen Forensic Services

http://www.owlinvestigations.com/rates.html

271 posted on 04/01/2012 5:17:50 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: OneLoyalAmerican

Here is a link to the Hardball segment.

Video: MSNBC Admits Zimmerman Had Head Injury http://is.gd/y6WWA3


272 posted on 04/01/2012 5:21:33 PM PDT by ironman
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To: PhatHead
-- I can't imagine that part would have been edited out of the recording, so I guess he must be saying that Zimmerman was back in his car after the call, then left the car again. --

I don't think the call is edited at all. So, if BOTH Serino's story of two speaking encounters, and the call are to be squared, they can't be in the same timeframe. I see two possibilities IF there was a first conversation, and both of them have the first conversation happening before the recorded call.

1. Z watching TM, TM comes over and they talk, window rolled up. Z keeps watching, and calls dispatch. Z's account over the phone is honest - TM stares, approaches, stares more, hands in waistband, runs.

2. Z watching TM, TM comes over and they talk, window rolled up. TM runs away. Z pissed. Z calls dispatch and makes up the narrative.

I don't see time for the recorded call, THEN two separate spoken encounters, the first with Z back in his truck. The evidence diverges too far from that theory.

273 posted on 04/01/2012 5:22:19 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Reese Hamm
-- [Side note: I've seen reports that GZ's father is now saying that TM said, "You're gonna die now, m******f******" or something to that effect which is much more inflammatory than GZ's reported, "Well, you do now."] --

There is enough time in the altercation to have both. "You [have a problem] now" as the first punch is thrown, then, when Z's gun is revealed and TM attempts to take it, TM saying "You're gonna die tonight." 45 - 75 seconds between the two remarks. From 911 calls, there was an argument, words, not just fighting.

274 posted on 04/01/2012 5:25:20 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: ironman

Greetings ironman:

Thank you kindly for the link.

Cheers,
OLA


275 posted on 04/01/2012 5:27:20 PM PDT by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others provide citations.)
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To: Eva
There is no way to prove that Zimmerman is guilty of anything.

This is correct given what we currently know.

All the evidence supported Zimmerman’s story.

I think it would be more accurate to say that, so far, nothing conclusively contradicts it.

276 posted on 04/01/2012 5:28:24 PM PDT by Reese Hamm
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To: Cboldt

That version is what I understood Zimmerman’s family to be stating.


277 posted on 04/01/2012 5:29:17 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Cboldt; PhatHead

You guys know too much. Best be looking over your shoulders when crossing the street :)


278 posted on 04/01/2012 5:31:11 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: PhatHead
-- It's more than a theory, I'd say. This is on the recording of Zimmerman's call to police, and there's no reason to think Zimmerman was fabricating this account - although I'm not sure I'd call it a "confrontation" --

That's what I'm trying to reconcile and figure out. Where did the first conversation, words exchanged and window rolled up (then a wait of minutes) come from?

I think Serino described an exchange of words between TM and Z - and this could NOT coincide with Z's phone call to dispatch. So how did Serino come to this belief? Did Z give a statement that included a first verbal exchange?

279 posted on 04/01/2012 5:33:19 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: All

FYI

original source... http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/new-videos-show-zimmermans-gashed-head-and-broken-face

Found via... http://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-George-Zimmerman-from-racial-onslaught/111653988888547

~~~~~

Orlando Sentinal is running a piece in which they have audio “experts” declare that the cries for help on the 911 tapes are, beyond a doubt, NOT Zimmerman. Other outlets are picking it up and running with it.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-31/news/os-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-911-20120331_1_voice-identification-expert-reasonable-scientific-certainty

One expert claims to knows this by simply listening. The other (Tom Owen) uses some software to compare the two.

The article fails to mention, however, that the software used to analyze the audio is actually Mr. Owen’s own product which he sells online. Of course he’s going to present it as providing 100% accurate results. I’m sure he would also love the publicity that this article will bring to his product.

If you go to the site for the software, no mention is made of Mr. Owen or his company. The only contact information is a PO Box and toll-free number.
http://www.easyvoicebiometrics.com/

If you check the WHOIS information with the registrar of the domain, however, Mr. Owen and his company are clearly listed as the owner of the domain and site.
http://who.wildwestdomains.com/whois.aspx?domain=easyvoicebiometrics.com&prog_id=wildwestdomains

Furthermore, a simple search on Google for “voice biometrics” returns only results pertaining to security - nothing relating to forensics or law enforcement. Clearly this software and technology is not widely used for this application.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=frgbld&gs_nf=1&pq=test&cp=9&gs_id=1e&xhr=t&q=voice+biometrics

Please get the word out on this. I imagine this will be the next “smoking gun”/”icing on the cake” in the case.

~~~~~


280 posted on 04/01/2012 5:36:09 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Cboldt
Greetings Cboldt:

Looked at ABC Snooze website and need a vomit bag can't find the phone records.

Does the girl friend ever call 911 reporting she lost comms with Trayvon?

Cheers,
OLA

281 posted on 04/01/2012 5:36:45 PM PDT by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others provide citations.)
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To: Cboldt

What’s very interesting is that there has been at least one investigator with a clear, stated bias against Zimmerman actively working the case since nearly a month ago. Talk about contradicting the media narrative.

I guess we will find out whether he actually found anything, but it’s my assumption that this theory was just speculation on Serino’s part.


282 posted on 04/01/2012 5:38:59 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: OneLoyalAmerican
-- Does the girl friend ever call 911 reporting she lost comms with Trayvon? --

Can't tell that from Trayvon's phone record.

She's a weak link in Trayvon's defense team. Didn't go to Trayvon's wake. I think she avoided it because she knows too much, and her knowledge is damning of Trayvon. She's protecting his memory, and will sink Z if that's what it takes.

Check www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2866283/posts?page=101#101 for links to stories; one links to phone record.

http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/call+log.pdf

283 posted on 04/01/2012 5:42:55 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Awesome, thanks!


284 posted on 04/01/2012 5:47:43 PM PDT by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others provide citations.)
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To: PhatHead
-- but it's my assumption that this theory was just speculation on Serino's part. --

I think even if there was a first conversation, as recounted, and then the recorded call (and that combination has Z and TM in visual contact for longer than the recorded call), the ultimate conclusion doesn't change, because the ultimate conclusion is driven 100% by the confrontation that ended in a shooting.

BUT, if Serino is fabricating a first encounter, and alleging a race-based bias ("profiling") "between the lines," then he has an agenda of his own, and he is willing to be dishonest to advance it.

He could also be an insider feeding crap to ABC.

285 posted on 04/01/2012 5:49:11 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: PhatHead
-- but it's my assumption that this theory was just speculation on Serino's part. --

Another observation. This "first encounter" is contradicted by Crump's recounting of DeeDee's phone conversation, too. Only one initiation of verbal contact in the DeeDee/Crump version of events, and that encounter is the one that ended with TM dead.

286 posted on 04/01/2012 5:52:25 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Rooivalk
The police video tape shows no dressings on the back of Zimmerman's head nor any evidence of a "broken nose". Use your own eyes and look at the tape

Okay, despite the witnesses, EMTs, police and physical evidence, you're still relying on the tape, WHICH NBC ADMITS SHOWS INJURIES.

So, you're on a mission to prove to everyone in this thread that you're an abject moron?

287 posted on 04/01/2012 6:03:51 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: Eva
There is no way to prove that Zimmerman is guilty of anything. All the evidence supported Zimmerman’s story. There is no point in all this conjecture.

True.

Exposition of the media's lies and distortions is useful, though - particularly in light of the extreme politicization of this incident.

On display is an alarming abuse of federal power, as well as an unacceptable legal double standard. This case, for no particular reason aside from the political, is the target of a federal investigation regarding "civil rights". The Attorney General proclaims that only whites can be guilty of "hate crimes", and the government permits Black Panthers to issue bounties on white citizens with apparent impunity. In effect, whites now have fewer "civil rights" than blacks. Apparently the idea expressed in the Declaration of Independence, "that all men are created equal", is considered obsolete by the current Regime.

This country is starting to resemble a Racist Marxist Thugocracy.

288 posted on 04/01/2012 6:07:07 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Cboldt
I really think if Serino was fabricating things, he could have gotten the prosecutor on board by now. We really have no reason to conclude that he has done so.

I think it's more likely that those second-hand reports of what was said by detectives is simply misunderstood, just like the "squeaky clean" misunderstanding.

And again, I question the whole narrative about Serino really trying to go after Zimmerman. Absent some other source than "anonymous" ones speaking to ABC News, I'm not convinced. Especially since the charging document presented as SOP could easily be spun by the media as "going after" Zimmerman.

289 posted on 04/01/2012 6:09:10 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: AAABEST

Mission accomplished.


290 posted on 04/01/2012 6:09:31 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Cboldt

Do you have a link to that material? Thought the parents didn’t want her name revealed....SO we’ve been told more?

Zimmerman was on the phone with the dispatcher when TM “checked him out” one would have been able to hear a conversation between the two if there had been one....How does this coordinate with DeeDee’s story?


291 posted on 04/01/2012 6:14:21 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: 101stAirborneVet
-- I think it's more likely that those second-hand reports of what was said by detectives is simply misunderstood, just like the "squeaky clean" misunderstanding. --

I am skeptical of the "misunderstanding" explanation, because the narrative is more complex than a mistaken attribution. Mistaken attribution is a very common error, easy one to make. But "walked up to the car, had such and so conversation, and window rolled up" is too much information to be a function of "bad hearing" (bad comprehension) on the part of Tracy.

"Squeaky clean" is a misattribution error. Serino was attributing that to Zimmerman; Tracy heard it attributed to the police department. But everybody agrees "squeaky clean" was said in reference to Zimmerman's record.

-- I question the whole narrative about Serino really trying to go after Zimmerman. --

He appears at an eyewitnesses house on March 5th - the woman whose child is the 13 year old dog-walking witness. This is what she said about that meeting:

[Serino] told me that he and the other officer with him felt that it was not self-defense and that they needed to prove it wasn't self-defense. And he said that I needed to read between the line because there was some stereotyping going on.... I took it to mean that he felt that George Zimmerman committed this crime based on whether it's stereotyping or racial profiling or whatever you want to call it. But those were his words. Stereotyping.

If all he's done is present the best case, and suggest or recommend it be no billed, why is he singing a different tune when speaking to the public?

292 posted on 04/01/2012 6:19:48 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Not sure if you were asking me a question before or if you knew the answer about if she called 911. Interesting on her not showing up for the funeral. With regard to the 911 call, does it seem like she probably didn’t? But if she didn’t call it may be just be she wasn’t exactly sure where he was or something, if she was back in his home town and he went “to go stay with my dad”. As an adult I sure would have called and tried to figure out something, but a kid...?

Or - his last statements to her were “I’ll call you back after I get done whuppin’ this cracker”.


293 posted on 04/01/2012 6:21:04 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Cboldt

Well, the police would have a more complete timeline than we do - including store video - which could preclude the possibility of an earlier encounter. I still don’t know how much stock I’d put in an account of an account of an account, though, you know?


294 posted on 04/01/2012 6:24:03 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Reese Hamm; PhatHead

Thanks Phathead - not following everything so thanks for the account of the “conversation” by Z’s father.

And yes Reese - it very well may have been BOTH were in fear of danger.


295 posted on 04/01/2012 6:25:02 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Mears
Good Lord,that would be a dump in my area.


296 posted on 04/01/2012 6:29:27 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: hoosiermama
Trayvon Martin Attorney Press Conference: Phone Logs Completely `Connect The Dots' | Mediaite

[Crump] then pieced together what happened that day, based on the 911 call, phone logs and the girlfriend's testimony: Martin was talking to his girlfriend as he was walking to the store, and phone logs show "without any doubt" that he was on the phone the entire way there and on the way back. He told her he wanted to make it home before it started raining. When it began raining, he ran to the first building he saw. Then he went back to walking, and back to talking to her. At that point, Martin told his girlfriend he thought a man was following her -- and she told him to be careful and run home. The girl said she heard him catch up to Martin, and could tell an altercation occurred, before the call dropped.

I don't recall where I got the name, DeeDee. But see Trayvon Martin case: Three key questions still not answered - Is 'DeeDee' telling the truth about the phone call? - CSMonitor.com.

-- Zimmerman was on the phone with the dispatcher when TM "checked him out" one would have been able to hear a conversation between the two if there had been one....How does this coordinate with DeeDee's story? --

I have found no correlation. If Z and the recorded call is truthful, and DeeDee is on the phone, she wouldn't want to recount TM staring down and taunting Z with a hand in the waistband. There is nothing in Crump's recounting of DeeDee's story that has TM confronting Z while he's in his car.

297 posted on 04/01/2012 6:31:11 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: 21twelve
-- Not sure if you were asking me a question before or if you knew the answer about if she called 911. --

It was meant to be a statement. On reflection, the reports are that she did NOT contact police until weeks later.

But nothing in the telephone log that I looked at, Trayvon's phone log, could show DeeDee calls out to numbers other than Trayvon's number.

298 posted on 04/01/2012 6:36:05 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: PhatHead
-- Well, the police would have a more complete timeline than we do - including store video - which could preclude the possibility of an earlier encounter. --

IF there was a first verbal exchange, I'm picturing it as having to take place 10 to 180 seconds before the recorded call to dispatch starts. Quick contact, Z is suspicious, TM stays in visual range, Z calls dispatch.

The only reasons this is bugging me is Z's credibility and Serino's credibility. I don't see a first encounter as affecting the ultimate outcome at all.

299 posted on 04/01/2012 6:40:29 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
Except for calling the girl by Dee Dee the CSM article is a regurgitation of ABC/yahoo material.

Seems like a lot of people are filling in blanks that are not empty. Then they are giving the material to MSM who irresponsibly are repeating it.

NBC’s internal review is a OMG we got caught, how do we cover our azz from a lawsuit moment. Hope their settlement with George finances beach front mansion.

300 posted on 04/01/2012 6:55:10 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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