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Hard to find truth in Zimmermanís call to police

Posted on 04/01/2012 11:27:17 AM PDT by Java4Jay

I’m having great difficulty locating the original full version of Zimmerman’s call to police, one that is not enhanced to make wind noise sound like a racial slur.


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To: hoosiermama
-- Except for calling the girl by Dee Dee the CSM article is a regurgitation of ABC/yahoo material. --

The only reason I cited it was to give a source for the name DeeDee. I don't recall where I got the name, and I thought you wondered if the media had released the name, after Crump saying the name would not be released.

-- Seems like a lot of people are filling in blanks that are not empty. --

Yes. And speculating on factors that are irrelevant to the ultimate outcome - except perhaps as windows into the credibility of certain witnesses and certain observations.

-- NBC's internal review is a OMG we got caught, how do we cover our azz from a lawsuit moment. --

Amazing how low the media will go. There really is no bottom to it. Liars of the highest order.

301 posted on 04/01/2012 7:06:00 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Well, it still sounds like pure speculation by Serino (if in fact Serino said this.) Honestly, what bothers me more if indeed Serino is speculating this, is that it seems to me that if Martin initiated a confrontation first, Zimmerman’s account of self-defense following an assault by Martin is more credible to me, not less. But his judgment in leaving his car to find Martin is more difficult to explain, given his history of reluctance to personally confront suspicious people in the neighborhood.


302 posted on 04/01/2012 7:09:58 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Cboldt
I don't think the call is edited at all. So, if BOTH Serino's story of two speaking encounters, and the call are to be squared, they can't be in the same timeframe. I see two possibilities IF there was a first conversation, and both of them have the first conversation happening before the recorded call.

1. Z watching TM, TM comes over and they talk, window rolled up. Z keeps watching, and calls dispatch. Z's account over the phone is honest - TM stares, approaches, stares more, hands in waistband, runs.

2. Z watching TM, TM comes over and they talk, window rolled up. TM runs away. Z pissed. Z calls dispatch and makes up the narrative.

I don't see time for the recorded call, THEN two separate spoken encounters, the first with Z back in his truck. The evidence diverges too far from that theory.

I don't believe your scenario of a confrontation before the dispatch call works. If Zimmerman had a confrontation with Martin before he called SFD, then wouldn't he have known that Martin was black? Instead, when the dispatcher asks "is he white, black, hispanic" Zimmerman answers "he looks black". Then later, when Martin gets closer to him, he confirms by saying "he's black".

303 posted on 04/01/2012 7:16:58 PM PDT by Shethink13
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To: Cboldt; 101stAirborneVet; trappedincanuckistan; Reese Hamm
A LEO friend of mine just put this comment on Facebook, and I thought you folks might appreciate it:

Only two people really know what happened that night and one of them is dead. I love how everyone is demanding a "complete investigation". Kind of hard to do with no eyewitnesses, a couple people who might have heard something, but aren't sure what and a partial phone call heard by a biased underaged witness. Same for the big Justice Department "hate crime" investigation. I wouldn't touch that assignment with a 10 foot pole.

304 posted on 04/01/2012 7:23:44 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Shethink13
-- I don't believe your scenario of a confrontation before the dispatch call works. If Zimmerman had a confrontation with Martin before he called SFD, then wouldn't he have known that Martin was black? --

I don't think it works either. That's why I'm puzzled, and wondering where Serino got that theory.

I also don't think a version works where there is Z's call, then Z back in his truck for a first encounter, then wait minutes, then go out for the second encounter. That theory has even more holes in it. Not enough time, for one, and nobody else is telling that version. Not Crump, not DeeDee, etc.

305 posted on 04/01/2012 7:23:56 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
Am just getting up to date on Sereno...Several possibilities that I've not seen mentioned

Sereno wasn't up to date on other issues of case. (Hadn't listed to the 911 tapes.

He was “playing good cop” and leading witnesses on to see if they would reveal more information. Would be the first time a white lie or innuendo was used to try to get more information.

306 posted on 04/01/2012 7:25:00 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: PhatHead

Thanks PhatHead.


307 posted on 04/01/2012 7:28:02 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: PhatHead
-- Well, it still sounds like pure speculation by Serino (if in fact Serino said this.) --

Speculation, fabrication, or Z gave testimony to that effect.

I agree with your other remarks; and they mirror Serino's comments to the young witness's mother - the two encounter theory is useful to ascribe sinister motive to Zimmerman.

308 posted on 04/01/2012 7:28:25 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: hoosiermama
I thought about the "good cop" possibility, and agree it's a possibility. He may have some street cred that he needs to preserve; even if he's not fishing for testimonial evidence.

I did wonder if he had heard the Zimmerman / dispatch recording. If so, how did he fit that into the two contact scenario.

309 posted on 04/01/2012 7:31:44 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: cynwoody

Astonishing.


310 posted on 04/01/2012 7:39:34 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Cboldt
IMO he couldn't have heard the dispatch recording and have that opinion. So either he hadn't heard it or was using the opinion to further another purpose.

It could have just as easily been “we're looking into the possibility of ______________________ and if racial profiling was an issue as a reply to something others had said. People sometimes hear what their preconceived ideas want to hear.
OTOH the officer should be target of internal investigation to see if he has an agenda.

Still would like to know the family's background ala “Joe the Plumber” No one in the media has touched that angle.

311 posted on 04/01/2012 7:58:43 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama
-- Still would like to know the family's background ala "Joe the Plumber" No one in the media has touched that angle. --

Which family? I'd spare Martin's folks the probe, unless Zimmerman is charged.

312 posted on 04/01/2012 8:17:35 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: kanawa

Thanks, I’ll check it out.


313 posted on 04/01/2012 10:23:36 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Cboldt

Martin...I’d want it on the shelf....Knowing that I knew what I was dealing with, not to use it against them. But if their insisting on it going to court let ALL the facts come out.


314 posted on 04/01/2012 10:37:58 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Keep askin’ questions FRiend! For instance, 1) The nearest 7-11 is 3/4 miles away (1 1/2 miles round trip - in the rain)? (My kids wouldn’t do that, especially at night), 2) Where is the 7-11 tape showing him buying those items?, 3) Cash register receipt showing Skittles and tea?, 4) Did cops recover Skittles and tea?, 5) Could he have gone out to buy drugs nearby instead? (He was on a 10 day suspension for pot and a bong in school and Zimmerman did say he was wandering around and looked like he could have been on drugs).


315 posted on 04/02/2012 3:21:04 AM PDT by cracker45
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To: freedomrings69

“The huge key there is when Zimmerman is told to not follow, he just says ok.”

He was not “TOLD not to follow”; he was informed “we don’t need you to do that” And moreover, he said he had lost sight of Martin in the dark and was returning to his vehicle, when Martin approached him from the back, left hand side and asked Zimmerman “do you have a problem” - “no” - “well NOW you do”. (Sounds like a challenge to me.) Then Martin sucker punched Zimmerman, who was 4-5 inches shorter and was armed but NOT displaying his weapon. That is exactly the sort of thing a young, brash, wannabe gangster would do!

JC


316 posted on 04/02/2012 3:39:37 AM PDT by cracker45
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To: Clintonfatigued

Where is the evidence that he, in fact, had Skittles and tea? I haven’t seen that yet!

JC


317 posted on 04/02/2012 3:50:40 AM PDT by cracker45
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To: wolficatZ

You are correct; there is a plethora of ignorance, stupidity and trolling going on here!! (You know who you are!)

JC


318 posted on 04/02/2012 4:13:27 AM PDT by cracker45
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To: Rooivalk

” Screams not George Zimmerman’s, 2 experts say”

Except there was an eye-winess to the fight with Martin on top, beating the heck of of Zimmerman, who was screaming for help at the time. Zimmeran has a broken nose and skull contusion, and is clearly the one requiring help! Have you ever tried shouting out for help while your fists were in action beating anyone, eh?

JC


319 posted on 04/02/2012 4:27:05 AM PDT by cracker45
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To: cracker45
The skittles and tea is kinda like showing the Martin's baby pictures. If he had them....so what.

For all we know, he had marijuana in his pockets...AND WAS ON DRUGS....AND DRUNK.

No one has mentioned an autopsy but I believe it's required.

320 posted on 04/02/2012 4:35:21 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: cracker45

I haven’t either. IMO the story was concocted by the fathers lawyer. Dad had no idea where TM was when he left for his night out with the g/f. We are to believe that BEFORE Daddy left TM BEGGED him to walk to 7-11. Sure. The kid was home alone and knew he could go anywhere he pleased. The fact that his father went to bed and TM wasn’t home tells me the boy was allowed to run wild and dad simply didn’t care.

IF the skittles/tea/711 story were true dad should have expected his son to be HOME when he and gf arrived. TM was nowhere to be found and that this didn’t cause ALARM speaks volumes.


321 posted on 04/02/2012 4:36:34 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: Rooivalk

“Well folks?”

Well, you asked for an opinion - I think you’re a troll because you obfuscate, deny and misrepresent known facts!”

JC


322 posted on 04/02/2012 4:36:47 AM PDT by cracker45
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To: Cboldt

There’s a little piece missing. The father didn’t report Tray missing until the next morning. He did NOT expect Tray home that night and thought he was going to a friend’s house.....so apparently that’s what he told his father...so Tray was just walking around ????


323 posted on 04/02/2012 4:40:03 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: trappedincanuckistan

Don’t call rooivalk a moron; I almost got banned for name calling once. BUT, I agree with you!! HAW

JC


324 posted on 04/02/2012 4:45:58 AM PDT by cracker45
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To: Cboldt

I think she knows too much, too. Remember, Tray had jewelry in his napsack at school along with empty bag with traces of marijuana. Just something to consider.


325 posted on 04/02/2012 4:50:18 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: cracker45

Neither test had a voice print of Martin so a valid conclusion is impossible.


326 posted on 04/02/2012 4:52:27 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: bonfire
This was really, really close to home....so close in fact, there is the possibility that the father heard the shot but ignored it??

I know shots echo.

I'd like to see a map of all the calls and the location of where Tray was found.

327 posted on 04/02/2012 4:58:40 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

The lynch mob doesn’t let facts deter them.


328 posted on 04/02/2012 4:58:40 AM PDT by sport
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To: Sacajaweau
-- There's a little piece missing. The father didn't report Tray missing until the next morning. He did NOT expect Tray home that night and thought he was going to a friend's house. --

Tracy's story, which I find credible, is that he DID expect to see Trayvon at home, when Tracy returned from dinner. On not seeing Trayvon, Tracy called Trayvon's phone and was sent to voicemail. Tracy thought perhaps Trayvon was out with Trayvon's cousin, to a movie, so he called the cousin's phone too - same result, straight to voicemail. So, he assumed the two were at the movies. It was the next morning that Tracy started calling police departments, looking for Trayvon. One of the departments responded by coming to Tracy's home, and showed him a picture of Trayvon.

There are issues with the various stories though, as one of them has Trayvon being "grounded," another has him going to the store to get candy for his brother, Chad (we haven't heard why Chad didn't report to Tracy, but Chad may have been asleep when Tracy got home about 10:30 pm). Maybe Chad's report to Tracy, the next morning, is what caused Tracy to call the police. Trayvon had a history of that indicated petty burglary. Not that he was charged, but the school report should trigger parental suspicion, even if the evidence is insufficient to take legal action.

329 posted on 04/02/2012 4:59:28 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: 101stAirborneVet

Don’t bother to waste your time with that troll. When all the facts come out, he will rapidly fade into the woodwork along with the all the other race hustlers (including obama and holder), until another opportunity to incite race riots comes up again! Take care.

JC


330 posted on 04/02/2012 5:01:39 AM PDT by cracker45
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To: cracker45

It isn’t name calling if it’s the truth. If I ever get banned for calling a moron a moron than so be it.


331 posted on 04/02/2012 5:03:08 AM PDT by beandog (Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand)
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To: Sacajaweau

So close to home, mere yards, but daddy didn’t bother to even take a walk around the hood to look for his son?

Sounds to me like this wasn’t an unusual occurance for TM to stay out all night. Evidently TM didn’t have any rules or guidelines judging by the father’s non-reaction. Which tells me the begging to go to 711 was a trumped up story to make the father look like he set parameters.

Makes no sense that TM had to convince his father to LET HIM OUT to walk to the store but never returning didn’t cause alarm. The spin is to make Tracy Father of the Year when the facts prove he didn’t have any knowledge about son’s location and obviously didn’t give a damn.


332 posted on 04/02/2012 5:25:49 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: Sacajaweau

From what I understand, an autopsy was performed but the results have NOT been released yet. The mortician said no marks on Martin, but if Martin was only beating Zimmerman about the eyes and nose (avoiding his mouth and teeth), I would not expect any knuckle cuts. The mortician probably was pandering for advertising purposes anyway!

JC


333 posted on 04/02/2012 7:28:59 AM PDT by cracker45
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To: cracker45

First time I* remember a mortician being asked about the condition of a body...probably violated some rule....


334 posted on 04/02/2012 8:47:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: bonfire
I'm sure 7-11 has a tape and the time stamped receipt.

Sorry...I think daddy already knew what was up and called to report him missing in the morning as a coverup.

335 posted on 04/02/2012 10:29:26 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: trappedincanuckistan
That doesn’t make sense in light of my question.

You're right, of course. I didn't read carefully enough -- you'd think after all the coverage I'd get the last names straight.

336 posted on 04/02/2012 2:04:25 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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