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Funeral director on Trayvon Martin's lack of injuries (Video)
CBS via Drudge ^ | April 1, 2012 | CBS

Posted on 04/02/2012 7:00:20 AM PDT by Cubs Fan

Edited on 04/02/2012 8:00:02 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

The Florida funeral director who handled the burial of Trayvon Martin says there were no signs of a scuffle on the dead teen, contradicting...


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To: potlatch; WildHighlander57
Your comments [twice] are off the wall!

I believe Wildhighlander57 should be the judge of that. He honestly admitted he was hearing impaired, and in reference to having to listen to the Funeral Director, both he and I are fortunate to have reasons we didn't hear it. Since you shouldn't believe half of what you see, and nothing of what you hear, Wildhighlander57 is lucky, in that instance, in that he doesn't have to tolerate the BS.

Sure there are things that WHL57 can't hear that he/she would like, but pitying my friends is not my bag.

Since communication on FR eliminates all vocal and visible physical communication, and leaves only the written word, WHL57 is on equal ground with everyone else, so he can 'speak' for himself.

P.S. I am not offended by your remark. Thank you for giving me a chance to explain what might have been 'perceived' by more than just you as me 'being mean'.

101 posted on 04/02/2012 9:46:27 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: hummingbird
The funeral director said nothing about Trayvon’s hands. If he had punched Zimmerman, wouldn't there at least be some bruising or abrasion on his knuckles?

not hitting him in the nose, which is very soft, nor holding his head and banging it against the concrete. (regardless the inuries zimmerman sustained are proven facts at this point)

OTOH if there are no bruises to TMs face or body than it shows he was the initiator/agressor and remained in control of the confrontation until zimmerman defended himself.

102 posted on 04/02/2012 9:49:39 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (if it weren't for double standards the left wouldn't have any standards at all)
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To: UCANSEE2
What ‘teenager’ walks 6 miles each way to go to 7-11 to get Skittles and AZ-IT for his 20 year old cousin?

The nearest 7-Eleven appears to be 2.2 miles from the townhouse. However, there are a lot of places a lot closer where you could buy or obtain Skittles and Arizona Tea. For instance, you'd be walking past a sizable strip mall and a Walmart Supercenter.

103 posted on 04/02/2012 9:52:02 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

So.... do we know which 7-11 he went to?

I read (everything on the internet is true) in an account by someone familiar with the neighborhood, that the nearest 7-11 was 6 miles away.

I was thinking earlier of the maps of his neighborhood (of his Dad’s girlfriend’s neighborhood) and doing google maps to see where the 7-11’s were, but I didn’t remember the exact location.

There were some pretty good maps displayed on the TM threads.


104 posted on 04/02/2012 9:59:34 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: cynwoody
Isn't "going to 7-11 for Skittles and AZ Iced Tea" just teenage slang for "sneaking out of the house and establishing some pissing territory"?

For Example: "Where Tray?"

"Uh... went to 7-11 to get Skittles and Iced Tea for the shorties".

105 posted on 04/02/2012 10:04:21 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: svcw

I’ll make this discussion short and sweet:
The media has no blinking business interviewing this funeral director for any kind of real information. As though, when the body was at the funeral home, this director thought this particular boy were any special person and, so, really has any clear memory of his condition— just knowing that, some day, there would be all this publicity about this boy. Right??

The whole thing SMELLS to high heaven. Journalism is a thing of the past.


106 posted on 04/02/2012 10:09:08 AM PDT by Clara Lou (ABO! Go Newt!)
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To: UCANSEE2

I’ve read that “Skittles” and “Arizona Tea” are street code for a couple of drugs.

So, did he have Skittles and Arizona Tea on his person? Or, did he have “Skittles” and “Arizona Tea”? Or, neither at all. Or both. Has this info been released?

He may have been sticking his cell phone into his waistband.


107 posted on 04/02/2012 10:09:38 AM PDT by hummingbird
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To: ZULU

I punch to the nose is not going to leave marks. A punch to the side of the head or some other harder surface of the body would. Like you, I am no expert in this.

I just find it really odd that someone would have suggested that the Martin kid would have showed any signs of a struggle if he had gotten the upper hand in the fight, exeppting of course a gun shot wound that ended whatever struggle took place.


108 posted on 04/02/2012 10:11:12 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Cubs Fan

Okay, so why would the media take the funeral director’s statement as an indication in support of the Martin kid? Forget the obvious answer, let’s give them credit they are acting responsibly. What is the media seeing or are they just not thinking it through?


109 posted on 04/02/2012 10:14:21 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: UCANSEE2

“Here is a question I had.

What ‘teenager’ walks 6 miles each way to go to 7-11 to get Skittles and AZ-IT for his 20 year old cousin?”

Indeed.


110 posted on 04/02/2012 10:14:48 AM PDT by hummingbird
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To: Brown Deer

Is the circle the injury?

That what looks like a meandering river - is that his hair or bruising?


111 posted on 04/02/2012 10:19:03 AM PDT by hummingbird
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To: Williams

The witnesses agreed that there was a fight. If Zimmerman had injuries and Trayvon didn’t it should be pretty easy to know who swung first...


112 posted on 04/02/2012 10:21:11 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Cubs Fan

The question....Was there powder stippling on Martin. If so he was shot up close. If there was no powder stippling he was shot at a distance. If he was shot at a distance Mr. Zimmerman “got some ‘spainin’ to do”. If was powder burns on Martin or his clothing there had to be close contact. Where is the autopsy report?


113 posted on 04/02/2012 10:21:11 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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To: UCANSEE2; WildHighlander57

[Since communication on FR eliminates all vocal and visible physical communication, and leaves only the written word, WHL57 is on equal ground ]

Well, that’s not quite true, since as you pointed out, he/she was lucky because he/she could not ‘hear’ the “vocal” on the video.

I lost much hearing around 30 yrs of age. I doubt you have any concept of how such an ‘unseen’ disability affects ones life.

Your repeated comments would be like telling a blind person they were lucky because they could not ‘see’ a video nor read the articles.

I know you were not meaning to be unkind, but it was thoughtless. We are not ‘lucky’.


114 posted on 04/02/2012 10:22:13 AM PDT by potlatch
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To: UCANSEE2

Now Mr. Hillary is getting in on “rethinking” stand your ground laws. This is all just and effort to banning weapons of all kinds and trashing the 2nd.

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/president-clinton-hopes-trayvon-martin-case-leads-reappraisal-111305679—abc-news-politics.html


115 posted on 04/02/2012 10:22:21 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Brown Deer

What is that image?


116 posted on 04/02/2012 10:30:57 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Zimmerman from the police video. Did you click on the link?


117 posted on 04/02/2012 10:38:24 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: bgill
“That's another question I've had. Who had and where was the gunshot residue located? Where were the fingerprints located on the gun? And, as always, where the heck were the Skittles and AZ iced tea and what was M shoving down his waistband? “

I haven't heard ANYTHING about where the Skittles and AZ Tea were. If he was getting them for his cousin (or brother), they should be recorded in the police and investigators’ reports. No mention.

He may have been putting his cell phone in his waistband. May have been. My question: where was the entry wound? To the chest yes, but close to the heart? If in the heart that might explain no postmortem bruising, if I understand a few Freeper posts upthread.

118 posted on 04/02/2012 10:41:07 AM PDT by hummingbird
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To: potlatch

If I had to choose between being able to see my family members or being able to hear them I’d rather hear them any day of the week. I feel your pain.

I think he was trying to make light, sort of like somebody joking about another person being lucky to be blind since they have a wife who looks like crap. Maybe not such a funny joke to a person who’s really blind.


119 posted on 04/02/2012 10:43:04 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: bgill

I agree with you, and also — it seems to me that this is part of another effort to silence anyone and everyone who even thinks about fighting back. Ranchers aren’t allowed to fight back against the criminal invaders who poison their cows and want to rape their wives. (The ranchers are shot dead or they go to prison and lose their land for fighting back.)

Now, those who had to escape the frightening inner-cities the leftists created, are getting a message to not fight back in any way.


120 posted on 04/02/2012 10:43:50 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: potlatch; UCANSEE2

Potlatch, UCANSEE2

Potlatch, thanks for saying what went thru my mind when I read UCANSEE2’s comment.

UCANSEE2,

I have been deaf/hard of hearing since birth.

I see/ notice things that others don’t .... but that only goes so far.

The operative word for this handicap is ISOLATION.

(we now return to regular programming )

Pictures coming out now put the mainstream media squarely in the dunces seat....
If any more CR@p happens and people are hurt as a result of the media (and baiters) instigation, they should be held accountable and charges brought against them.
Starting with each “reporter”.


121 posted on 04/02/2012 10:46:32 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Blueflag
to wit, as an angry teen, I punched thru a (drywall) wall, both sides, in one punch, and did not break the skin on my knuckles.

That's nothing. As an angry infant, I once punched through a M1A2 Abrams Tank.

Both sides.

122 posted on 04/02/2012 10:49:46 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: svcw

“What I was talking about in the car accident, was a weird sort of light the doctor passed over my skin to look for already appearing discoloration.”

Maybe infrared light? I know in photography, the infrared looks deeper into the skin layers. Surface skin looks quite normal but with infrared photography, the skin looks soft and not quite as wrinkled or damaged at all.

I like infrared photography when I need a portrait made! And, just think - drivers’ licenses would be a dream come true!


123 posted on 04/02/2012 10:51:01 AM PDT by hummingbird
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To: Cubs Fan

Doesn’t the law law require a coroner’s report from an autopsy on this sort of case?

No disrespect to the mortician - but morticians are not forensic scientists, despite extensive experience with the dead.


124 posted on 04/02/2012 10:51:59 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: hummingbird
If in the heart that might explain no postmortem bruising, if I understand a few Freeper posts upthread.

You once you're dead, you don't bruise, bleed (other than passive leaking from a wound), or suffer edema. That's how they were able to determine my nephew died within minutes of an auto accident.
125 posted on 04/02/2012 10:52:23 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Okay, so why would the media take the funeral director’s statement as an indication in support of the Martin kid? Forget the obvious answer, let’s give them credit they are acting responsibly. What is the media seeing or are they just not thinking it through?

They thought it would help their side. It does not. the injuries to zimmerman are corroborated fact. (police reports, video, eyewitnesses)

OTOH the fact that the funeral director saw no bruises or cuts on Martin's face or chest shows he was the instigator and the the one in control of the fight right up until he was shot in self defense.

126 posted on 04/02/2012 10:54:13 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (if it weren't for double standards the left wouldn't have any standards at all)
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To: cynwoody

The family said he went to 7-Eleven and the other places are still quite some distance away. The closest is a couple miles and all are across a busy highway IIRC. It was supposedly raining, too. Someone must have really had the jones for some candy and tea to go to all that trouble. Or was skittles and AZ tea, as another FReeper pointed out, street names for drugs and he was hiding them in his waistband when he approached Z? I still want to know what was in his waistband and where the candy and drink were during the incident. We know he had cell phone because he was talking to his gf and supposedly he had wallet to purchase said items so those filled up his pockets to some extent. The hoodie could have held the items but we’ve heard nothing about them being in police custody so do they really exist or is this yet another lie to make him the innocent angel. Besides, was was supposed to have been grounded but then dad says (the story flip flops) he let him go but dad was clueless of anything until later the next day when he thought since he couldn’t find him that he’d been arrested. Really? So, does the little angel have a habit of getting hauled in? Then there’s the question of if the police did or didn’t check M’s cell phone for “dad’s cell” to notify the family and surely he’d have noticed all the lights and commotion when he came in from his date so what was dad doing all night? I was grounded half my childhood and I’ve grounded my own kids and this doesn’t sound like any grounding I’ve ever heard of, but then I never walked more than a couple blocks for candy and never bashed anyone’s head into the ground. Sorry, but M’s side makes less sense every hour whereas Z’s side does more and more.


127 posted on 04/02/2012 10:56:40 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Cubs Fan
The Florida funeral director who handled the burial of Trayvon Martin says there were no signs of a scuffle on the dead teen, contradicting...

The police probably would have bagged his hands at the scene for forensic purposes. The funeral director would have gotten a body whose hands had been treated to secure trace evidence. Trayvon's hands may have come to him considerably cleaner than they were at the scene.
128 posted on 04/02/2012 10:57:48 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Lazamataz

Hah! finally caught Laz in an MSNBC.

The M1-A2 wasn’t around when you were an infant!

But he’d still hit it if it were ...


129 posted on 04/02/2012 10:57:57 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: hummingbird

The mystery of the 7-11 and the Skittles


130 posted on 04/02/2012 10:58:57 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: aruanan
You once you're dead, you don't bruise, bleed (other than passive leaking from a wound), or suffer edema. That's how they were able to determine my nephew died within minutes of an auto accident.

if Zimmerman had hit martin, it would have been when Martin was alive. and bruising or a cut would have occurred.

A coroner or MEs stestimony would be far better, but IMO this evidence shows Martin was the agressor and was in control of the fight up until he was shot.

131 posted on 04/02/2012 10:59:31 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (if it weren't for double standards the left wouldn't have any standards at all)
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To: Clara Lou
when the body was at the funeral home, this director thought this particular boy were any special person and, so, really has any clear memory of his condition— just knowing that, some day, there would be all this publicity about this boy. Right??

Bingo! We have a winner!

132 posted on 04/02/2012 11:02:24 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Cubs Fan
Thanks, Cubs Fan, for the explanation.

Of course, I would have known this if I had read the thread rather than knee-jerking a post before I knew what I was talking about.

Mea culpa and my bad!

Have a lovely day, FRiend.

133 posted on 04/02/2012 11:07:01 AM PDT by hummingbird
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To: butterdezillion

Looks like the pic came from:

http://bluecollarphilosophy.com/2012/03/does-close-up-of-george-zimmermans-head-show-a-head-wound-video/

“A zoomed in picture of George Zimmerman’s head may show a head wound that an earlier video did not show. It also sounds like there may be some pictures of Zimmerman’s wounds.”

Looks like a head wound to me.


134 posted on 04/02/2012 11:13:00 AM PDT by bgill
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To: WildHighlander57
“If any more CR@p happens and people are hurt as a result of the media (and baiters) instigation, they should be held accountable and charges brought against them.
Starting with each “reporter””

I think charges should already be filed against New Black Panther Party.

Bunch of thugs put out a bounty notice of $10,000 for anyone bringing in
Zimmerman - “Dead or Alive.”

There have to be a whole bunch of crimes with this.

Maybe too many people feeling there would be an even greater retribution by NBPP if they were charged with anything.

And, there probably would. Bounty hunting thugs.

135 posted on 04/02/2012 11:19:52 AM PDT by hummingbird
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To: aruanan
“You once you're dead, you don't bruise, bleed (other than passive leaking from a wound), or suffer edema. That's how they were able to determine my nephew died within minutes of an auto accident.”

Oh, I am so sorry about your nephew's death, aruanan.

136 posted on 04/02/2012 11:24:17 AM PDT by hummingbird
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To: bgill
In the video, a LEO is seen putting something in the cruiser. I think it was the car that Zimmerman came out of.

Maybe evidence was put in trunk to be logged asap. Unlike the yakkity yak funeral director, I don't think police have mentioned what was in the trunk.

May have been nothing at all related. Or, maybe so.

137 posted on 04/02/2012 11:30:49 AM PDT by hummingbird
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To: butterdezillion
I really appreciate your comment butterdezillion. None of us knows what something entails until we suffer it ourselves. I think we have grown callous because we're all under stress with our country in dire trouble.

It's not fun not to be able to enjoy family visits because you can't understand all the talk. It's awful to have a young grandchild wonder why you can't understand what they say. You walk around corners or step back and bump into people you didn't ‘hear’ were there.

You can't use a cellphone, and barely a regular phone - even with digital hearing aids. You can't post on a ‘debate’ thread and try to watch the debate too because you have to read captioning. I can't enjoy the music I once loved.

I haven't attended large functions in years because I can't hear in a crowd. I can't hear the priest at a funeral or a wedding.... Sorry to be so off topic, but maybe it will educate those who don't have a clue. - And I thank you for your understanding.

138 posted on 04/02/2012 11:48:10 AM PDT by potlatch
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To: WildHighlander57

[Potlatch, thanks for saying what went thru my mind when I read ————’s comment.]
[The operative word for this handicap is ISOLATION.]

ISOLATION. Yes, I totally agree.
Thank you WildHighlander and God bless you. Please read a comment I made to another person.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2866985/posts?page=138#138


139 posted on 04/02/2012 12:00:44 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: WildHighlander57
I never meant to offend you. The phrase 'even the darkest cloud has a silver lining' comes to mind.

I still won't 'pity' you. You probably see things everyday that most of us miss.

Given the text of the Funeral Director's speech, we were both lucky to miss it.

Deafness hasn't 'handicapped' your ability to communicate in written form, so I treat you as an equal, who can take a joke.

Heck, I'm stupid, and there is no cure for that.

Better to be deaf due to conditions out of your control, than to be willingly deaf.

Most people out there are deaf, dumb, and blind, willingly. Them, I pity.

The operative word for this handicap is ISOLATION.

Which makes FR so great. Here, you are not isolated, nor handicapped.

140 posted on 04/02/2012 12:46:53 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Clara Lou

I regularly had bruises take 18-24 hours to show up after sparring. Last good one I got took around 36, and then lasted close to 3 weeks.


141 posted on 04/02/2012 1:21:06 PM PDT by Fire_on_High (WTB new tagline, PST!)
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To: Cubs Fan
if Zimmerman had hit martin, it would have been when Martin was alive. and bruising or a cut would have occurred.

If Martin got punched and then shot seconds later, he would not have had enough time to develop a bruise. If Martin punched Zimmerman in the mouth and cut a knuckle on a tooth, well, then that would show up immediately. But the absence of such a cut doesn't mean anything.
142 posted on 04/02/2012 3:24:20 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: UCANSEE2
So.... do we know which 7-11 he went to?

No. But there are a bunch of possibilities closer than six miles. If you click that link and ask for directions to the bottom entry (J), Google computes 5.7 miles walking distance. I chose B for my previous example, for which Google computed a walking route of 2.2 miles over not so pedestrian friendly streets. However, looking at the route, it's highly likely there are closer places to buy Skittles and iced tea than 7-Eleven. Certainly, that Walmart Supercenter would have such junk and for less money than 7-Eleven.

It's puzzling how long it took the family to learn of Martin's fate. He must have been carrying no ID, and his phone must have been password-locked.

143 posted on 04/02/2012 3:34:04 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Cubs Fan
if Zimmerman had hit martin, it would have been when Martin was alive. and bruising or a cut would have occurred. A coroner or MEs stestimony would be far better, but IMO this evidence shows Martin was the agressor and was in control of the fight up until he was shot.

_____________________________________

Or...

What if Zimmerman pushed Martin and Martin fought back?

or...

What if Zimmerman grabbed Martin's arm and Martin swung to get him off?

or...

What if Zimmerman threw a punch and the younger, quicker Martin blocked it?

or...

What if Zimmerman reached for his weapon and Martin stopped him from pulling it by fighting?

or...

What if Zimmerman already had gun in hand?

There are dozens of 'what ifs' that have Zimmerman as the aggressor - a continuation of following Martin. The presence or lack of any marks on either of them proves absolutely nothing about who started the dance.

144 posted on 04/02/2012 3:41:31 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
There are dozens of 'what ifs' that have Zimmerman as the aggressor - a continuation of following Martin. The presence or lack of any marks on either of them proves absolutely nothing about who started the dance.

wrong wrong wrong

what matters is what can be shown through evidence and witnesses. A Witness sees Martin on top, video show zimmerman's head hit damaged in back--cops corroborate, no bruises or cuts on Martins face or torso suggest he was the aggressor.

without a witness nor evidence to support, your what-ifs are conjecture at best and in a FAIR trial would not get past reasonable doubt.

145 posted on 04/02/2012 4:20:12 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (if it weren't for double standards the left wouldn't have any standards at all)
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To: potlatch

I actually can relate to what you’re saying more than you might think because my own hearing is not very good. Especially if I’m in a crowd I can’t pick out what people are saying. I rely heavily on lip-reading - which I didn’t realize until I tried to understand somebody when I couldn’t see their mouth. I work with middle-schoolers in the after-school program and I feel badly that I have to ask them to repeat themselves so often.

I think there are people in my real life who would be surprised to think that I have 2 brain cells to rub together because they’d never guess it by watching me in a crowd of people. The web is a much better way for somebody like me to communicate. One-on-one I can get by OK, or if I’m speaking to a group where I’m in control. But the social situations that are supposed to be fun are pretty much just a spectator sport for me because of my difficulty hearing. I smile and nod a lot.

I was listening to a guy at church who is developmentally disabled and did the nodding and smiling routine. Afterwards a friend who listened to the whole thing turned to me and said, “Did you know you just agreed to come visit him at his house on Tuesday?”

Funny but also not-so-funny.

I believe there will be a Day when both you and I will have perfect hearing, and I think you will know better than anybody else how precious the voices and the music really are. What to others will seem like a sequin will be more like rubies and emeralds to you - in brightness, beauty, and worth.

Until then, we’ll keep pushing on. I hope you and others will realize you’re not as alone as you might think, and I hope those who have good hearing realize what a gift that really is. I hadn’t really thought about the phone situation. How many people have I heard talking about how lost they would be without their cellphone - yet that’s what you deal with every day. You’ve made the phone seem like a great gift to me now. And it truly is. Thank you! And may the Lord hug you extra-tight for me tonight.


146 posted on 04/02/2012 4:26:33 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: wtc911

Investigator Chris Serino of Sanford police said Friday the agency has worked closely with prosecutors, and have not arrested Zimmerman because prosecutors have consistently told them they do not have enough evidence to win a manslaughter conviction.

That’s because Zimmerman says he was defending himself, something he’s allowed to do under Florida law.

The best account of what happened came from Zimmerman, Serino said. Other witnesses who saw or heard parts of what happened corroborate his version of events, the investigator said.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-17/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-911-call-20120316_1_deadly-shooting-shot-man-reports


147 posted on 04/02/2012 4:31:07 PM PDT by ironman
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To: FreeAtlanta

I think when a lynch mob is looking for you, releasing recent photos is probably not a good idea...


148 posted on 04/02/2012 4:33:45 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: UCANSEE2
What ‘teenager’ walks 6 miles each way to go to 7-11 to get Skittles and AZ-IT for his 20 year old cousin?

There is a 7-Eleven .9 miles (about a 20 minute walk) from the house where he was staying. I've not read anyplace that he was getting it for his older cousin. I read one reference from Ben Crump that he was getting them for Brandy Green's 13-year-old son, but I am skeptical of that account for a number of reasons. His father's account of that night did not indicate he had any idea why Martin had left the house, since he (the father) was not there at the time. Since Trayvon is dead, I don't know where the whole 7-Eleven story came from in the first place, since it pre-dates the girlfriend going public. It would be easy enough for the police to confirm, though.

149 posted on 04/02/2012 4:44:30 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: bgill; cynwoody
The nearest 7-Eleven is .9 miles (about a 20 minute walk) from the house where Martin was staying.

See this map.

150 posted on 04/02/2012 4:55:29 PM PDT by PhatHead
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