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The Culture Warrior (Santorum hurts social conservatives)
National Review ^ | Ramesh Ponurru

Posted on 04/02/2012 7:58:29 AM PDT by Windy City Conservative

But the likely effects of Santorum’s current campaign are being misjudged. It is social conservatives, above all, who have the most to fear from his campaign, because it has done serious, if inadvertent, damage to their, and his, causes. It could yet do more.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ponurru; santorum2012
This Ponnuru is probably the worst apple at National Review. Sounds like a trojan horse in the social conservative movement as well.
1 posted on 04/02/2012 7:58:35 AM PDT by Windy City Conservative
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To: Windy City Conservative

Sounds more like they are just obeying their marching orders from the establishment to help Mitt Romney.


2 posted on 04/02/2012 8:04:02 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Windy City Conservative

I’m sure the Mittbots will all agree. After all, what could be better for conservatives than a liberal republican. /s

The thing is, anybody who believes in social and fiscal conservatives as separate entities is a liar or an idiot.


3 posted on 04/02/2012 8:05:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Windy City Conservative

And RINOmney doesn’t?

I’ll nevah vote for the vapid dork.

Nor will I vote for the wimpoid quota baby.

Guess I’ll just have to leave the president block blank, cuz it just will not matter which idiot gets in.

CW-II, here we come.


4 posted on 04/02/2012 8:11:08 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: American Constitutionalist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesh_Ponnuru ~ no updates in 7 years?

He's voicing a complaint of so many "new Conservatives" (E.g. Catholics who've come over from decades of voting straight line Democrat) that they don't think Protestants (Lots of 'em are Conservatives eh) should find out they, Catholics, officially reject contraception.

Sorry, that argument is SO IGNANT. Conservatives and Republicans know all about the contraception thing and simply ignore it.

Conservatism does not require strict adherence to the party line such as that's done in the Democrat party! It truly is a "Big Tent" but one without Socialists, Commies, Fascists ~ their running dog lackeys, and you can't be a Christian and believe in abortion anyway.

Conservative orthodoxy draws a line at Romney and his supporters.

5 posted on 04/02/2012 8:14:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cripplecreek

Well that Santorum does it, social conservative, and fiscal liberal as evidenced by his economic plan; vote buying with tripling the dependent child income tax credit and offering a liberal progressive income tax solution. No thanks, give me Barabbas Romney.


6 posted on 04/02/2012 8:15:55 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: Windy City Conservative
Rick Santorum has done a splendid job of keeping socially conservative issues at the forefront in a way that neither Mitt (with his Massachusetts baggage) or Newt (with his schlong control baggage) could never hope to do.

I've never understood the short-sightedness of some economic conservatives who think they can build a firewall between social conservatism and economic conservatism. If you think it was expensive keeping the pink mafia out of the military, just as one example, then wait until you see the bill for allowing them in it.

7 posted on 04/02/2012 8:16:01 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Sorry to say that he’s right. For all of the leftist extremism of Obama, and the cynicism that can be induced by Romney, with all of this rich and outrageous material for Santorum to pick from, he again and again picks on issues that the public has accepted and is not outraged by. His political judgment has been terrible. I have got to say that when his preachiness and moralizing gets to rub ME the wrong way, I can’t imagine what it does to people in the middle and on the left. Even though I am both a fiscal and social conservative, it’s people like him that makes many people nervous about giving too much power to social conservatives, even though social liberals keep using the power given to them to force people to act against their conscience. Seeing Obama and Santorum in action makes one see the many advantages of libertarianism.


8 posted on 04/02/2012 8:16:38 AM PDT by winner3000 (ss)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Romney has done nothing but shove conservatives aside and insult us as he wins in Obama strongholds he can’t possibly win in November.

Add the fact that his campaign has already signaled their intent to move to the ..ahem... “center”, and Obama couldn’t hope for a better opponent.


9 posted on 04/02/2012 8:16:50 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Agree 100%. He’s a plant/tool to disrupt us from our fiscal/social goals.


10 posted on 04/02/2012 8:17:35 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

As if I needed another validation for cancelling my NR subscription some time ago. NR does more to hurt the conservative movement than the mid stream media...wait, no, that’s wrong. NR is the mid stream media.


11 posted on 04/02/2012 8:18:31 AM PDT by kreitzer
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To: Vigilanteman

My former congressman, a fiscal conservative / social moderate republican, is considering running as a democrat to help defeat the extremist anti choice GOP in my district.


12 posted on 04/02/2012 8:20:28 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Windy City Conservative
I have been a Santorum supporter and I have watched the media distort his principled positions and often lie about him. Social Conservative is actually an inaccurate and misleading term. It implies that someone is negative and is not concerned about economics and the economic well being of our country and its citizens.

The term I would use is morally strong or morally courageous. It is someone who actually stands for something other than political correctness, government hand outs and self-gratification. The political arena has become so amoral and dishonest that is a pleasure to see someone willing to speak the difficult truth and identify the moral corruption that is harming America.

That being said, I think if Santorum had been able to better articulate his ideas and deal with the media he would be the front runner right now. It is true that the media attacked him and lied about him. It is true he was massively outspent and subject to a continual barrage of negative advertisements coupled with media attacks. But if Santorum could have done a little better identifying a theme and hammering it home he would have won.

The problem with Saqntorum is not his positions. They are great. The problem is his inability to articulate them effectively in the face of a hostile and dishonest media.

13 posted on 04/02/2012 8:23:10 AM PDT by detective
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To: cripplecreek
... to help defeat the extremist anti choice GOP in my district.

What is the point of the post? The GOP candidate sounds like FR's kind of congressman.

Why do you use the words of the left?

14 posted on 04/02/2012 8:28:43 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: detective
The problem with Saqntorum is not his positions. They are great. The problem is his inability to articulate them effectively in the face of a hostile and dishonest media.

That's going to be a problem with virtually any conservative. Meanwhile Romney has said and done some seriously stupid crap during this campaign and the media conveniently decided it was unworthy of any real reporting.....for now
15 posted on 04/02/2012 8:29:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

“My former congressman, a fiscal conservative / social moderate republican”

Almost all politicians, even the most irresponsible big spenders, like to brag about how they are “fiscal conservatives”.

In most cases it is a lie. Ask yourself these questions. With so many “fiscal conservatives” in Washington why is spending so out of control? Why is our country running unsustainable multitrillion dollar deficits? Why is our credit rating downgraded? Why can’t they even pass a budget?

The fact is “social moderate and fiscal conservative” is a dishonest description. It means big spending coward in Washington, liar before the voters.


16 posted on 04/02/2012 8:31:30 AM PDT by detective
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To: Servant of the Cross
What is the point of the post? The GOP candidate sounds like FR's kind of congressman.

My congressman (Tim Walberg) is a good conservative. Joe Schwarz (Marxist pro abort scumbag) is considering running as a democrat to defeat the conservative. He got Mitt's endorsement the year he lost the seat.
17 posted on 04/02/2012 8:33:07 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Windy City Conservative

The pressure is on for Santorum to get out so that Mitt can save money and finish this off.

I don’t know if anyone heard Crazy Ann on FOX this morning, but she was totally hysterical.

Gretchen asked her why the process upset her so much when the GOP set it up the way it is to keep the interest going longer.

Honest to God, I have never seen Ann so tongue tied and left speechless. She looked so foolish. Ann is fallin’ on the sword to have her some Mitt love.


18 posted on 04/02/2012 8:36:42 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Windy City Conservative

In the fall of Rick Santorum’s second year as a senator, he asked an impertinent question of his colleague Russ Feingold (D., Wis.)

Impertinent?? Says all I need to know about the writer.
Since Feingold was championing the killing of babies how could any question be impertinent?


19 posted on 04/02/2012 8:37:01 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: dforest

I’m thinking that Mitty doesn’t have the lock on the nomination that we’re led to believe.


20 posted on 04/02/2012 8:42:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: detective
The problem with Santorum is not his positions. They are great. The problem is his inability to articulate them effectively in the face of a hostile and dishonest media.

Wow! Do you ever have that pegged right.

I hope that Rick can do better in Wisconsin tomorrow night than pundits and polls are showing.

If he can, then he has a chance to breathe new life into his campaign with a convincing win in Pennsylvania three weeks from now.

Otherwise, he faces political extinction with a possible or even probable momentum loss in his home state.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. This country will not be rid of Obama and Obamaism even when the Soros sock puppet is out of office until the credibility of the enemedia which enabled him is finally and totally broken.

21 posted on 04/02/2012 8:45:31 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: cripplecreek

Did you see that with Ann this morning? She has totally ruined herself over this election.

I am sure there will be a clip pretty soon.

I was embarrassed for her. Her pick for Mutts VP? Chris Crispie Kreme. LOL

I think I have entered the Twilight Zone.


22 posted on 04/02/2012 8:49:16 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest
Did you see that with Ann this morning? She has totally ruined herself over this election.

I turned the channel when I saw that she was coming up. Been watching Top Gear on BBC America all morning.
23 posted on 04/02/2012 8:53:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Windy City Conservative
But the evidence for that view is much weaker than the evidence that Santorum’s brand of social conservatism — with its abrasive tone, its lack of strategic discrimination, its proud refusal to acknowledge political reality — is destined for defeat.

I'm convinced. The only way to advance the social agenda is to voice the message so subtly and with such nuance that the voters will be unaware that they are being convinced to vote for a socially conservative candidate without realizing it. Obama said deciding the issue of when life begins was above his paygrade. That's pretty nuanced. Maybe Obama qualifies as a social conservative. Why do I need Republicans again?

24 posted on 04/02/2012 8:59:49 AM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: detective
"The problem is his inability to articulate them effectively in the face of a hostile and dishonest media."

I agree 100%.

Santorum allowed the media to lead him around too often and the MSM stuck it to him.

That said he could have turned it to his advantage had he been a little more agile and articulate. But he is what he is and he wasn't able to pull it off.

His message though is an important one; economic recovery in the face of cultural degeneracy will prove fruitless. The takers will continue to take everything we make and then some.

25 posted on 04/02/2012 9:00:04 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: throwback

Why do we need National Review? Ramesh claims to be the big pro-lifer on their site; I’d like to see the evidence of this aside from his not so subtle book title, “The Party of Death”. Also, how does anyone know if directly speaking the truth about abortion and contraception is any less effective than being a touchy feely moderate on the issue?


26 posted on 04/02/2012 9:34:17 AM PDT by Windy City Conservative (Kyle Smith)
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To: Windy City Conservative

This article is laughable, if not down right stupid.


27 posted on 04/02/2012 9:44:49 AM PDT by JSDude1
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To: Windy City Conservative
This dude is fully 100% in the tank for Romney. There is a reason he is coming up with idiotic arguments why Rick is somehow hurting a cause this dope would wish disappear.

Ramesh Ponnuru’s Mitt Romney Endorsement

28 posted on 04/02/2012 9:56:10 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Nice picture of Santorum at the site. /s

National Review went down the toilet. I can’t imagine writers from the early days of National Review like Buckley, Bozell, and Kuehnelt-Leddihn would ever demonize Santorum like that.

Someone should start a magazine that was similar to how NR originally was—severely conservative and staffed with highly intelligent contributors. Now, the magazine’s conservatism and intelligence are middle of the road.


29 posted on 04/02/2012 10:05:14 AM PDT by WPaCon
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To: cripplecreek

bump


30 posted on 04/02/2012 10:23:22 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Son House
No thanks, give me Barabbas Romney.

Woo hoo! Gay marriage and liberal judges to boot.
31 posted on 04/02/2012 10:27:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek
"The thing is, anybody who believes in social and fiscal conservatives as separate entities is a liar or an idiot."

In your world I must be an idiot.

Of course, in my world anyone who believes there is an inextricable linkage is an idiot.

What does homo marriage have to do with reducing taxes and balancing the budget? Or contraception?

32 posted on 04/02/2012 11:04:13 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: WPaCon

Ramesh and all those at National Review are all establishment people and we’ll be stuck hearing their opinion for the next 30 years.


33 posted on 04/02/2012 11:09:34 AM PDT by Windy City Conservative (Kyle Smith)
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To: cripplecreek
"My former congressman, a fiscal conservative / social moderate republican, is considering running as a democrat to help defeat the extremist anti choice GOP in my district".

That's how we end up with kooks like ron paul..

34 posted on 04/02/2012 11:16:14 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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