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Prosecutor: Account that he, police chief opted not to arrest Martin's shooter a 'lie'
CNN ^ | April 2, 2012 | CNN Wire Staff

Posted on 04/02/2012 3:04:40 PM PDT by Cboldt

An "outraged" Florida prosecutor fired back on Monday at the family of Trayvon Martin, describing as "outright lies" their account that he and a local police chief met and decided not to follow a detective's advice and arrest the teenager's killer. ...

In the letter delivered Monday, the Martin family said that a Sanford police detective "filed an affidavit stating that he did not find Zimmerman's statements credible in light of the circumstances and facts surrounding the shooting."

The family said Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee and State Attorney Norm Wolfinger met the night of the shooting and disregarded the detective's advice, letting Zimmerman go.

Neither Sanford police nor prosecutors have confirmed the existence of such an affidavit, which ABC News first reported. Sanford officials and special prosecutor Angela Corey's office declined comment.

But Wolfinger, who stepped aside in the case last month, vehemently denies that any "such meeting or communication occurred" between him and Lee.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: angelacorey; audioanalysis; billlee; enemedia; incitementtoriot; medialies; medialynching; mediamalpractice; normwolfinger; racebaiters; sanford; tomowen; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: PhatHead

In the letter from Zimmerman’s family member to the NAACP the author mentioned Z involvment in that case. Saying he passed out flyers, organized meeting, was the only none black person at the meeting etc.

I thought it odd that this incident was mentioned when Z has worked with youth, tutored etc. and it wasn’t mentioned.

And reading through the threads it hit me that politics inside the department might be involved. That someone might have a grudge against Z. Look how relaxed the police and Z are in the video. (He’s worked with them before, when they were on the same side)

Is Collinson’s father mentioned by name anywhere?


101 posted on 04/02/2012 6:57:16 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama

Nope, not there. I looked through the likely links and couldn’t find the quote, but there is definitely a quote form the City of Sanford that talks about the erroneous information of an investigator wanting to bring charges.

I wish I could find it.


102 posted on 04/02/2012 6:58:47 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: hoosiermama

Nope, not there. I looked through the likely links and couldn’t find the quote, but there is definitely a quote from the City of Sanford that talks about the erroneous information of an investigator wanting to bring charges.

I wish I could find it.


103 posted on 04/02/2012 6:59:04 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Sacajaweau

Dad being high or drunk the night before would be a good reason to wait till morning to call....Just sayin


104 posted on 04/02/2012 7:00:46 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: PhatHead
-- Did you also notice on that Herald story police said a doctor's report confirmed Zimmerman's injuries? --

Didn't notice it, but recall reading that the police took lots of pictures.

The "no injury video" and "audio is not Zimmerman" themes are smoke.

105 posted on 04/02/2012 7:06:56 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: 6SJ7
... let's recap. For the MSM promoted story of Trayvon Martin to be true... The Prosecutor and the Police Chief conspired to discount the detective The arresting officer covered up a murder The EMTs pretended to provide first aid to cover up for Zimmerman's non-injury. So we need at least 5 public officials conspiring with Zimmerman to cover up a murder. Yuh. This makes a lot of sense. *sheesh*

The ONLY people out there dumb enough to believe the above are members of the MSM. If it falls from the mouth of a democrat, they believe.

106 posted on 04/02/2012 7:08:13 PM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can’t kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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To: spacejunkie2001

Do you have a link to the original police reports? Two are signed and other officers names are mentioned. Thought it was linked to town site, but haven’t found it.


107 posted on 04/02/2012 7:12:56 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Brilliant
I think this is the routine transmission; from Sanfor PD to the State Attorney. I think the absence of arrest pissed off the mob. Keep in mind that Tracy Martin has called for a CONVICTION. He wants the process to work, as lkong as the process yields a guilty verdict. Anyway, somebody fabricated a story that Lee and Wolfinger met on 26/27 February, and overrode a detain and hold recommendation of Serino (as if Lee lacks that authority of his own accord). Enlist Matt Gutman of ABC news, mission accomplished.

Statement from State Attorney Norm Wolfinger - March 13, 2012

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE--March 13, 2012

Statement from State Attorney Norm Wolfinger

The Eighteenth Judicial Circuit State Attorney's Office in Sanford, Florida, on this date received an investigation case package from the Sanford Police Department concerning facts and circumstances surrounding the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

State Attorney Norm Wolfinger recognizes that Trayvon Martin and his family, interested persons, and the public-at-large are entitled to no less than a through, deliberate and just review of the information provided, along with any other evidence that may or may not be developed in the course of the review process. We intend to honor that commitment.

Just how long that process will take is subject to many factors and setting a specific completion date at this time would be mere speculation. As with any proper investigation, information will not be released until it becomes public record under the laws of Florida.

The concern shown through email and other correspondence is expected and appreciated, but please understand that charging decisions will be based on the law and the evidence and that we will invest our time in the investigation and not replying to individual emails.


108 posted on 04/02/2012 7:16:02 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: hoosiermama
-- IMO the Martin team is reading in material that is just not there. Someone says they consulted with the state AG, a few sentences later they say "they" decided not to press charges and the family reads into it that the 'they' includes the state AG. --

The State AG is the entity that presses charges, or not; at least for criminal infractions. So, even if the family was confused, by luck they got that part right.

The police are authorized, under the laws of the state of Florida, to arrest and detain people. They do it all the time, without getting an "ok" to arrest from the State AG. The threshold for arrest is probable cause, something less than "preponderance of the evidence" (more likely than not). The arresting officer has to have something that would cause a reasonable person to have suspicion.

What I'm seeking is a source, before Matt Gutman's March 27 or thereabouts piece, that has Wolfinger and Lee in a "conspiracy" on 26/27 Feb, to release Zimmerman. By conspiracy, I mean ANYTHING that has them in contact, either by phone or in person, on the night of Feb 26.

109 posted on 04/02/2012 7:26:51 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: All

Ayala Ricardo first reporter
T Smith arrive first on scene
Ricardo arrives.
Sgt Rulmando helps with CPR
Sgr McCoy arrives helps with CPR till EMT arrive

OFC Mead,Wagner,Robertson secure crime scene and tape off

Lt Taylor arrives and request Major Crime scene investigators

Mead and Wagner interview neighbors statements from ALL witnesses at the scene.

....Turn over to Investigator Singleton at police office for interogation,

No where is there mention of others being at the scene.


110 posted on 04/02/2012 7:33:58 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: All

Ayala Ricardo first reporter
T Smith arrive first on scene
Ricardo arrives.
Sgt Rulmando helps with CPR
Sgr McCoy arrives helps with CPR till EMT arrive

OFC Mead,Wagner,Robertson secure crime scene and tape off

Lt Taylor arrives and request Major Crime scene investigators

Mead and Wagner interview neighbors statements from ALL witnesses at the scene.

....Turn over to Investigator Singleton at police office for interogation,

No where is there mention of others being at the scene.


111 posted on 04/02/2012 7:34:25 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Cboldt
Listed all the names in the police report night of the incident. Is Serino from the Major Crime Scene department? That seems to be the only way he could have been involved at the scene with collection of evidence etc.

Since Ricardo was the first reporter and entered the gun into evidence, which Smith,first responder, had collected, don't see how there would be that much “evidence” material for him to observe.

Only forty five minutes from first arrival until they got to SPD IIRC.

112 posted on 04/02/2012 7:50:21 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Cboldt

In letter to ABC town deals with a narcotic officer (leaked by a member of the department) being involved in the case.

Obviously the department is not very large. Sure would like to see a list of all in the department and who their partners are.

Are we dealing with a rotten apple in the barrel? One that they (Town and AG) don’t want to spoil the entire department? Is the leaker trying to throw suspicion on others to protect himself?


113 posted on 04/02/2012 8:01:32 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: crazydad

If that should ever happen, I hope the media who have promoted the bloodshed are the first to be hunted down. We are going to need a wanted poster on each of them.


114 posted on 04/02/2012 8:14:45 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: hoosiermama
-- Is Serino from the Major Crime Scene department? --

Major Crimes Investigator
Member: International Homicide Investigators Association

He's also one of the PD members who contacted Tracy Martin on the 27th.

115 posted on 04/02/2012 8:16:37 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: martinidon

That is the truth. The media and the race hate activists have so twisted the truth, no one knows what is real and what is a lie at this point. The same happened in the Duke Lax case.

This is FALSE WITNESSES going to town on our Nation’s people and justice system, violating one of the big ten in life! Lies preclude justice and guarentee hate and violence in a society.


116 posted on 04/02/2012 8:22:21 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: hoosiermama
-- In letter to ABC town deals with a narcotic officer (leaked by a member of the department) being involved in the case. --

I wouldn't trust anything attributed to "leaked by the department." But, the story line there is that the FIRST person who questioned Zimmerman was not a homicide detective. That's it, that's the entire depth of the complaint.

-- Obviously the department is not very large. Sure would like to see a list of all in the department and who their partners are. --

From the PD Website: "Currently the City of Sanford Police Department has an authorized staffing level of 140 sworn officers and 24 civilian employees." There is no breakdown of assignments. The Wiki page for the Sanford PD is interesting.

-- Are we dealing with a rotten apple in the barrel? One that they (Town and AG) don't want to spoil the entire department? Is the leaker trying to throw suspicion on others to protect himself? --

Assuming there is a leaker, motivations vary. Could be getting paid to leak, could be doing it for a friend, could have a social or political agenda, could be seeking revenge, etc.

There is another possibility, and this would be darn funny. The leaker is feeding Crump and/or Matt Gutman material that the leaker knows is false. Again, motives could be anything from revenge on the media, to a desire to incite a race war, and anything you might imagine in between.

Yet another possibility is there is no leaker. Matt Gutman will claim press privilege if he is ever challenged to divulge sources (and I can't think of a reason he would be subpoenaed to divulge sources anyway - he can make up false attribution all day long to prop up a purely fictitious narrative).

117 posted on 04/02/2012 8:30:04 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt; PhatHead

LT Chris C is the name of the officer who son beat the homeless man. It brought a lot of attention because no arrest was made until the media made big news out of it....Sent you a thread.


118 posted on 04/02/2012 8:59:07 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: GOPJ
Any facts that do come out will be spun by the media. Look at what has happened with the few facts that are available. NBC edits the 911 calls to make Zimmerman look like a racist. I had no idea this was edited; even if NBC makes a retraction most people will not hear about it or will ignore the facts. They already have some “expert” company that has supposedly analyzed the recordings has claimed it is not Zimmerman. This is just going to be a big cluster .....
119 posted on 04/02/2012 9:04:01 PM PDT by martinidon
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To: Cboldt

Interesting....Good thing he didn’t go to CVS rather than 711 for treats. We would have known his problem if he had.


120 posted on 04/02/2012 9:06:38 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama
-- Good thing he didn't go to CVS rather than 711 for treats. --

;-)

Busy little town. All sorts of racial issues there. Been building pressure for some time. This one might blow over, but in the long run, there is going to be some spectacular friction.

121 posted on 04/02/2012 9:15:25 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt; maggief; kristinn; little jeremiah; rolling_stone; STARWISE
IMO we've gotten to the root of the problem. This death is just a symptom of a much larger problem. Since the Oxycontin at the CVS has just recently come to light, the community was sensitive that a narcotic officer was involved in this case. Maybe just curious if it was a larger problem.

Two past unprosecuted attacks/murder involving police officer's family just adds to the tension racial tension.

Zimmerman according to family members letter, was on the side of justice in one of those cases.
Trying to solve community problems by tutoring kids of many races according to his neighbors and friends.
Is it just ironic that now he's the target? Or is it payback from a LEO who he crossed?

The Philadelphia article pretty well spells out the racial tension in the community, Wikipedia link adds more, including why it exists and the drug issues in the major community. How many people in town make the living by distribution of it?

Wonder if TM’s father is a pharmacist? Never have heard what his occupation was. /s

It is correct to get an outside person to handle this case. ALL material needs to be released so there can be no doubt what happened in the community .

122 posted on 04/02/2012 10:07:47 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Logical me
"Looks like the Martin family is looking for a huge payday"

a huge payday?

THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF NUTS!

123 posted on 04/03/2012 12:18:20 AM PDT by Erich von Manstein (You need to see things my way!)
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To: martinidon

You were surprised NBC would edit is such a way as to create a lie they liked?

Now you know - you’ll know better next time - you won’t trust them as much..

Here’s a link to some New York Times connected journalists talking about ways to ‘help’ Obama, Occupy, PBS, etc... It’s not just NBC - but few are as clumsy as NBC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080


124 posted on 04/03/2012 1:47:09 AM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can’t kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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To: rolling_stone

Don’t miss the link in #19. They’ve really, really shown this guy to be a quack.


125 posted on 04/03/2012 1:51:17 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: wtc911; 101stAirborneVet; PhatHead; spacejunkie2001; darrellmaurina; onyx
Lots of things going on in the town of Sanford that is not being covered.

Check out Cboldt links at 177

Also another incident which includes:
1. “The young man who committed the assault is named Justin Collison, and stories say his father was a police lieutenant. But since it was a video of the assault that led to Collison’s eventual arrest” (That is the second case involving police family and assault)
2. Zimmerman according to a letter from family members posted yesterday was involved in bringing this young man to justice. Man beaten was homeless and black. Zimmerman helped organize the black community and get publicity out that pressured prosecutor to decide to press charges.
3. According to one of the many sources I read the same officer involved in that case is also the lead officer in Martin/Zimmerman case. Therefore community was already upset and this case just adds fuel to the fire already burning.
May not be related at all, BUT, also note the large Oxycontin problem in the community, CVS busted,but no mention of the buyers. Somebody(s) in that community was making a nice living by buying/selling. (Maybe the reason of concern why the narcotic officer was involved in Martin case.)
Were the police inadvertently getting to close? Had they closed their eyes to what was happening within their community? (Looks like the state got CVS records not the locals.) Where was all the ill gotten drug being sold? Too much for just Sanford, but easily could have been transported elsewhere.....Miami? Tampa? or even NYC or Chicago.

This is not just about Martin and Zimmerman.

126 posted on 04/03/2012 6:22:05 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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Sorry that’s 117


127 posted on 04/03/2012 6:34:47 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Nip
45 posted on Mon Apr 02 2012 19:13:14 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Nip: “As I posted on another posting - How can the State of Florida or even the Federal Government empanel a jury, with alternates, that haven’t pre-judged this case? IMHO the LMSM have polluted any possible jury pool with their over the top reporting and malicious alternations. This claim has been repeatedly used by defense attorneys in cases with a much lower profile (no wanted posters and high value rewards) so why not here?”

A change of venue (getting a jury from outside the area, or holding the trial elsewhere entirely) is probably necessary unless the defendant believes he's likely to get a mistrial or acquittal caused by a local jury familiar with the general situation in the community, even if not this particular case. That's why OJ Simpson wanted to have his criminal trial with an inner-city predominantly black jury, and in a nation where we believe in presumption of innocence until proved guilty, we need to accept the importance of prosecutors and police needing to have a very high standard to prove their case to a jury of the defendant's peers.

Once a change of venue happens, finding a panel of 12 jurors with additional alternates who are mostly or entirely uninformed about the case is not usually that difficult, even high-profile cases.

Uninformed does not mean unintelligent. As Freepers, we're considerably more politically active and therefore more informed than many people choose to be, and the same could be said for regular readers of Daily Kos, Huffington Post, and Democratic Underground on the other side of the political spectrum. Lots of people simply do not follow the news on a regular basis if they don't see how it affects them, and that's why getting a jury from outside the area is often either necessary or helpful.

If we asked 500 people we know to give details of this case, we might be surprised how easy it is to find 12 jurors out of that 500-person group who haven't gotten enough prior information about this case to taint their ability to hear it as an unbiased juror.

128 posted on 04/03/2012 7:05:43 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: spacejunkie2001

IF it was a newsconference...Try U tube.


129 posted on 04/03/2012 8:14:00 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama
I have known about the Sanford incidents for a while and they do paint a picture that is not pretty.

But, I have not brought them into the conversation because I am focused solely on the facts of this one case.

130 posted on 04/03/2012 8:36:06 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
This case SHOULD be adjudicated on the facts of the case. Zimmerman is innocent of murder.

OTOH the case of public opinion should examine the entire picture so they understand why others have opposing views and can solve issues in the community. Trust needs to be rebuilt.

131 posted on 04/03/2012 8:45:41 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God anhttp://sanfordfl.gov/inved Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Brilliant
Whatever the interpretation of his denial, though, you get the impression that he would like to deny that he participated in the decision to let Zimmerman go. Yet, if that were the case, you would think that he would simply deny that he had any role in it, instead of indirectly attacking it by disputing the accuracy of the statement by the family.

One of the more fanciful stories advanced by the race-baiters is that George Zimmerman had an inside connection via his father and his legal connections to the SPD and the States Attorneys office. The story was advanced that that States Attorney drove to Sanford the night of the shooting (a 50 mile drive) to override the homicide detective's wish to prosecute. I believe it is this rumor he is refudiating.

132 posted on 04/03/2012 11:06:23 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: Cboldt

I don’t think they put the handcuffs on unless you’re under arrest. At any rate, it will be real interesting to see where this leads. Hopefully not to a riot, but I think it may... That’s what Sharpton wants, I think.


133 posted on 04/03/2012 3:23:31 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
-- I don't think they put the handcuffs on unless you're under arrest. --

He wasn't arrested. The town FAQ published on March 23 explains why he was not arrested.

The act of arresting is a critical formality, accompanied with being Mirandized and being told the reason for being detained against your will.

I do agree that the public was misled in the first place, to imagine that he was questioned at the scene for 20-40 minutes, then released. And I agree that being cuffed and taken to the station for 4-5 hours of interrogation is different from what most people attach to "wasn't arrested."

As for handcuffed without being under arrest, you can find all sorts of discussion here -> Google: handcuffed without arrest

Being handcuffed can be a form of detention without arrest, and it's everyday common.

134 posted on 04/03/2012 4:06:22 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: hoosiermama
IMO the Martin team is reading in material that is just not there. Someone says they consulted with the state AG, a few sentences later they say “they” decided not to press charges and they family reads into it that the ‘they’ includes the state AG. There is even a name for it which I can’t recall just now.

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

"After this, therefore because of this."

135 posted on 04/03/2012 4:14:14 PM PDT by Erasmus (BHO: New supreme leader of the homey rollin' empire.)
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To: Cboldt
"-- I see another Rodney King event in our future... --"

"Yep. The deck is stacked that way, and the media will light the fuse."

And it'll make the King riots look like a quilting bee. This time sides have been chosen.

136 posted on 04/03/2012 4:17:45 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Brilliant
"I’m not sure if Wolfinger is denying that he agreed that Zimmerman should be released, or he merely claimed that the meeting never took place."

Seems "outright lies" is all encompassing. If not, any part of their statement could come back on him.

137 posted on 04/03/2012 4:35:39 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Brilliant
"And what happens after he’s acquitted is as well."

And "what happens after" is just about the surest bet there is. So considering, the fact there was serious doubt whether this should go to trial to begin with, why on earth spend the money for this circus when the outcomes are virtually assured?

138 posted on 04/03/2012 5:08:07 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Cboldt
"Wolfinger's denial then covers EVERY point in Crump's accusatory letter"

It sure seems to to me. Plurality, "lies". Not much wiggle room there....

139 posted on 04/03/2012 5:15:49 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Cboldt
"He wasn't arrested. "

According to this florida Attorney, he was.
"2. WHEN AM I CONSIDERED "UNDER ARREST"? When the police significantly deprive you of your freedom of movement in order to question you about a crime or take you into custody, you are legally considered under arrest. You could be under arrest even though no one has used the word “arrest.” ............."

I concede it's a minor issue since Zimmerman was clearly trying to accommodate the SPD in any way he could.

140 posted on 04/03/2012 5:47:07 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: moehoward
-- According to this florida Attorney, he was. --

Zimmerman might be able to try to assert he was under arrest, if he is arrested - but I suspect words were exchanged to the effect of, "you are not under arrest." The official legal position of the PD and town is that Zimmerman was not under arrest.

That said, I also agree with the cite you provided, that it is possible to be under arrest even though the words aren't said. The weasel word is "significantly," as it modifies "derive you of you [liberty]." Plenty of case law, if it mattered.

141 posted on 04/03/2012 5:52:21 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Yes. That link goes on to say other qualifying factors are removing the suspect from the immediate area, and retaining personal property. Both happened.

Now I have no doubt at all the SPD would say he was never under arrest.
An iffy arrest could expose the municipality to possible litigation down the road. And I’m sure Zimmerman likewise would rather claim he was not under arrest, for obvious reasons.


142 posted on 04/03/2012 6:15:25 PM PDT by moehoward
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