Skip to comments.Prosecutor: Account that he, police chief opted not to arrest Martin's shooter a 'lie'
Posted on 04/02/2012 3:04:40 PM PDT by Cboldt
An "outraged" Florida prosecutor fired back on Monday at the family of Trayvon Martin, describing as "outright lies" their account that he and a local police chief met and decided not to follow a detective's advice and arrest the teenager's killer. ...
In the letter delivered Monday, the Martin family said that a Sanford police detective "filed an affidavit stating that he did not find Zimmerman's statements credible in light of the circumstances and facts surrounding the shooting."
The family said Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee and State Attorney Norm Wolfinger met the night of the shooting and disregarded the detective's advice, letting Zimmerman go.
Neither Sanford police nor prosecutors have confirmed the existence of such an affidavit, which ABC News first reported. Sanford officials and special prosecutor Angela Corey's office declined comment.
But Wolfinger, who stepped aside in the case last month, vehemently denies that any "such meeting or communication occurred" between him and Lee.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
Their Chickens Are Coming Home To Roost!
What a deadly serious farce this is.
I can’t wait for the comparison - contrast between how Holder investigates this case and how he has handled the Fast and Furious case and the investigation into the murder of two Federal officers from these weapons from Fast and Furious
Analysts: Questions surround 911 call analysis in Trayvon Martin case - CNN - April 2, 2012
But the analysis poses some questions, legal analysts say, including whether it would be ruled admissible in court if charges are filed and the case goes to trial. ..Heh. Ask if it's reliable AFTER you publish the crap out of it. Pinheads.
And CNN and HLN legal analysts Beth Karas and Sunny Hostin raised questions about what the public should consider regarding the conclusions reached. ...
"I do think we need to take a step back, as with most of the facts in this case, and look at it the way the court would," Hostin said. "And that is by asking if the circumstances of how, and if, the test was done, OK, and wait to determine whether it's reliable."
I think the truth will come out. But the media has half the population convinced the lie is true.
-- I do not think there will be a conviction for or against Zimmerman by any court. --
I think he's not going to be tried. The evidence the public has been fed by the media is "fiction," half truth. The investigators have alot more information than we do. I think there will be no charge brought.
-- I see another Rodney King event in our future... --
Yep. The deck is stacked that way, and the media will light the fuse. If not on this case, on another one; same template.
After reading the story, I’m not sure if Wolfinger is denying that he agreed that Zimmerman should be released, or he merely claimed that the meeting never took place. If the former, then I guess he’s saying that the police chief made the decision on his own. If the latter, then why bother to deny it? Who cares whether they had a meeting to decide this or just decided it over the phone, for example?
The state of Florida invited the Fen in on March 19th.
Obama has yet to even suggest to the state of Florida that Zimmerman be arrested.
The initial news reports of the shooting were all fabricated.
The state of Florida invited the Fed in on March 19th.
Obama has yet to even suggest to the state of Florida that Zimmerman be arrested.
The initial news reports of the shooting were all fabricated.
That says it all. Consider the source. They have no interest in clearing this matter up. Their interest is in further obscuring the facts.
I think what Wolfinger is denying is the totality: "describing as 'outright lies' [the family of Trayvon Martin] account that he and a local police chief met and decided not to follow a detective's advice and arrest the teenager's killer."
The big point there, at least from my point of view is "decided not to follow a detective's advice." Wolfinger appears to be denying that.
In addition, the way the article is phrased, it brings into question the existence of the Serino affidavit.
WHO YU GONNA BEELEEV?
ME? O YO LYIN EYES??
Nuff said, Rev. Al.
Regarding Owen and the audio “analysis:
Go to the ABRE website http://www.abreboard.us/ and find:
* Owens daughter is on the board.
* These guys think a BA (bachelor of the arts, i.e. a 4-year degree) is a big deal worth putting the initials after your name as if you are really cool by having one.
* The American Board of Recorded Evidence (ABRE) is an Advisory Board under the American College of Forensic Examiners (ACFEI).
* The copyright of the site lists ABRE, ACFEI and a Dr. Robert OBlock as owners.
Go to the ACFEI site that is helpfully linked and it amounts to a for-profit place that sells certifications and titles like Fellow and Diplomate.
Next, go to the Dr. OBlocks site, also helpfully linked, and the real laughs begin:
An international publisher and prime mover in forensics, psychotherapy, homeland security, and integrative medicine, Dr. Robert OBlock laid the foundations for open, comprehensive, and educational associations for professionals in forensics, integrative medicine, criminology, investigation, psychology, and spiritual psychotherapy. Dr. OBlock, a pioneering academic, founded the American Board for Certification in Homeland Security, the American Association of Integrative Medicine, the American College of Forensic Examiners International, the American Psychotherapy Association, and The Society for The Cure of Souls.
My take is that this Owen guy is full of self-made certifications that sound good to a dumb jury / dumb judge.
Looks like the Martin family is looking for a huge payday.
Possibly. But I think Wolfinger may be backpedaling a bit too. He wants to issue a denial in light of what happened to the police chief, but he’s got to word it carefully in order to avoid lying.
Holder? This piece of uneducated chunk of garbage couldn't investigate how a mouse would get out of a paper bag.
I missed what he said before, to backpedal from.
-- He wants to issue a denial in light of what happened to the police chief, but he's got to word it carefully in order to avoid lying. --
Well, they met, so I don't think he's denying that. Chief Lee had other issues in this case, not just taking a direction contrary to the alleged Serino affidavit.
What sort of narrow denial do you find in "vehemently denies that any 'such meeting or communication occurred' between him and Lee."? CNN only quoted a short phrase there, I know.
I’ll believe the voice recognition when they use the same software the government used to listen in to Osama from their satalittes when he was talking on the phone.
Now, that's not a baby...and dad originally said he didn't expect him home that night so why did he call cops first thing in the morning. Tray was not a 10 year old. Somethings wrong with daddy's story...????? And now he comes out with a blatant lie??
I don’t get why a media paid “expert” (paid in cash or with PR for the company) get’s taken seriously anyway.
NBC has ZERO CREDIBILITY. They should be fined at the least for broadcasting a FRAUDULENT TAPE which they most likely edited to paint a RACIST PICTURE of ZIMMERMAN.
Tracy (dad) was away until 11 pm, and the "commotion" was likely calmed down by then, and also located about 100 yards away, in somebody else's back yard. He says he tried to call Trayvon that night, got voicemail; tried Trayvon's cousin, got the same thing, so figured they were at the movies.
But he and Trayvon (and others) had an outing planned the next morning, so there is some alarm when Trayvon is not at home the next morning.
As for the Serino affidavit, or face to face meeting between Lee and Wolfinger (whichever one of those two, or both, that Wolfinger appears to be denying), the only place Tracy would get those is from police. Maybe from his lawyer, Crump; I haven't checked the timing of the story of internal dissent first coming out.
According to the article, he denied the meeting. The article says he denies “such... communication,” but that could mean a lot of things, given the weasily language that politicians use. He could simply mean that the content of the communication was misrepresented. But if so, the question is to what degree it was inaccurate. Are we dealing with the definition of “is?”
Whatever the interpretation of his denial, though, you get the impression that he would like to deny that he participated in the decision to let Zimmerman go. Yet, if that were the case, you would think that he would simply deny that he had any role in it, instead of indirectly attacking it by disputing the accuracy of the statement by the family.
Assuming that he did have a role in making that decision, then I would call that “backtracking.”
I think the Big O can clear all this up with a Skittles Summit at the White House ... /src
Does the US media really want a Balkanized war in the United States? I think they do!
And the way I'm reading it (which I admit might be fairly attributed to my bias), he's denying "decided not to follow a detective's advice."
I agree with your point, if all he is denying is some sort of meeting; or the distinction between a phone call and face-to-face, then why the outrage? Why call the family liars for something picayune?
-- Whatever the interpretation of his denial, though, you get the impression that he would like to deny that he participated in the decision to let Zimmerman go. --
That could be. I've never researched for the interaction between Wolfinger and Lee. I agree with your remark, he could have easier said that he was not involved in the decision.
-- Assuming that he did have a role in making that decision, then I would call that "backtracking." --
If he did have a role in the decision, and then said he didn't, I'd call it lying.
Thanks for your thoughts. Gives me something to think about and look into.
Remember NBC got stung pulling the same on Richard Jewell re the Atlanta Olympic bombing?
Business as usual for the MSM.
There’s few lies so transparent and obvious that the MSM won’t ‘buy’ them if the lies comes from the mouths of people they like.
Writing’s an important skill for a journalist - but a more important one is NOT BEING A GULLIBLE SUCKER for every liberal.
Yes, it could be lying. I was trying to be charitable. One thing is certain... These guys mishandled it all around.
It's NOT possible to get a conviction against a man who had NOT been CHARGED with a crime. They can't 'convict' you either martinidon. BECAUSE you have NOT been charged with a crime.
If a policeman came by because your neighbor said your lawnmower was too loud - and he checked it - said it was fine - and WITHIN THE LAW - then you won't be arrested. If your neighbor keeps asking when you're going to 'be convicted' it wouldn't make sense because you can't be convicted for nothing. That's the situation.
"Therefore, we respectfully request that the United States Department of Justice investigate the circumstances surrounding this meeting between Chief Bill Lee and State Attorney Norm Wolfinger, in which they disregarded the lead homicide investigator's recommendation to arrest George Zimmerman for manslaughter," wrote Crump in the letter to [Deputy Assistant (US) Attorney General Roy] Austin.
And Wolfinger's response without CNN's cruft spitting up the context:
"I am outraged by the outright lies contained in the letter by Benjamin Crump to Deputy Assistant Attorney General Roy Austin dated April 2, 2012," wrote Wolfinger. "I encourage the Justice Department to investigate and document that no such meeting or communication occurred. I have been encouraging those spreading the irresponsible rhetoric to stop and allow State Attorney Angela Corey to complete her work. Another falsehood distributed to the media does nothing to forward that process."
I'm still looking around for accounts that have Wolfinger saying he met with Lee, or Lee saying he met with Wolfinger, or similar (with Wolfinger being involved in the discussion, the night of the shooting); where the account is attributable to an official source.
If I don't find something, I think we're stuck with an ambiguity for now. ...
Maybe not. Read Crump's letter - he alleges Zimmerman family members were present. I can understand why Wolfinger would be upset about that allegation.
Good stuff, thanks.
Sometimes an expert does help clarify a technical point, or interpret evidence. But this expert, heh, by his own guidelines, he lacks enough evidence to make ANY conclusion.
But agree 100% when it is a media-paid expert. Hired gun, guaranteed.
Sure sounds like the lawyer is “axing” his friends in higher places to investigate and affirm lies.
Maybe Z should go after his law license.
Roy Austin, Deputy Assistant Attomey General
U.S. Department ofJustice, Civil Rights Division
950 PeMsylvania Avenue, NW
Washin&on, DC 20530-0001
Dear Mr. Austin:
Pursuant to our previous meeting reSarding the United States Department of7ustice's review of the shootinS death ofunarmed teenager, TraWon Martin, at the hands ofarmed gunman, George Zimmerman, you informed us that you and United States Attorney Bobby O'Neill would be leading the investigation on behalfofthe department. You told us that the department plaMed to review the tragic circumstances ofthe shooting incident itself, in addition to the Sanford Police Department's investigation and conduct. During our meeting you instructed the family and thei? 1/2 attomeys to contact you ifwe became aware ofpertinent information related to this matter.
Since our last meeting we have obtained new information which is ofpar_mount importance in considering whether or not a fair and impartial investigation was conducted by the Sanford Police Department. In particular, we learned that on the night of February 26, 2012, within hours ofthe shooting in which TraWon Martin was killed, Sanford Chiefot_Police Bill Lee met with State Attomey Norm Wolfinger. We also believe that family members ofshooter George Zimmerman were present at the police department. It was i? 1/2Mher revealed that State Attorney Norm Wolfinger and Chi? 1/2efBill Lee oveMled the recommendation ofthe lead homicide investigator, cms Serino, who recommended that George Michael Zimmerman be arrested for manslauShter for killing TraWon Benjamin Martin. More poi_antly, Mr. Serino filed an affidavit stating that he did not find Zimmerman's statements credible in light ofthe circumstances and facts surrounding the shooting. merefore, we respecthlly request that the United States Department of7usti? 1/2ce ilIvestigate the circumstances surrounding this meeting between ChiefBill Lee and State Attorney Norm WolfinSer, in which they disregarded the lead homicide investigator's recommendation to arrest George Zimmerman for manslaughter.
We look forward to your thorough and comprehensive review ofthe suspicious circumstances surrounding this meeting, and the decision to disregard the recommendation ofthe lead homicide investigator, Mr. Serino, who felt compelled to prepare an at_fidavit memorializing his recommendation to arrest the shooter George Zimmerman.
I suppose that if he thought any of that letter were false, I can understand why he would have such a response. But it’s still not clear what in particular he is denying. I suspect he’s not denying all of it.
He is trying to remain credible by letting Corey handle the case, and by distancing himself from the case. It might work, particularly if Corey decides to indict. Then the focus will be on her.
>> “ This incident has been so politicized and racially divided by the media I don’t think the real truth will come out. IMHO” <<
The “real truth” has come out, but you apparently are a leftie race baiting troll.
Martin was casing the place for burglaries, and was infuriated that Zimmerman got a good look at his face, and could then identify him in a lineup, so he set out to kill Zimmerman but Zimmerman’s weapon ended Martin’s crime spree.
As I posted on another posting - How can the State of Florida or even the Federal Government empanel a jury, with alternates, that haven’t pre-judged this case?
IMHO the LMSM have polluted any possible jury pool with their over the top reporting and malicious alternations.
This claim has been repeatedly used by defense attorneys in cases with a much lower profile (no wanted posters and high value rewards) so why not here?
Neighbor defends George Zimmerman
The neighbor is talking for the first time about what he saw on George Zimmermans face less than 24-hours after Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin.
I saw George. He was banged up. His head had two big bandages, that werent flat, had a bump on them, the neighbor, who did not want to be identified, said.
He described where the injuries were.
I seen him have a big bandage on his nose and his nose swollen. On the side, where his eyes were at, it was swollen, he said.
He points out exactly where on a picture.
Why would they have met the night of the shooting to make decisions about an arrest contrary to what cops had decided when it was weeks away from being a big deal?
Anything the Martin parade puts out there is taken as gospel. Disgusting.