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I'm getting a bad feeling about all of this.

Posted on 04/03/2012 1:44:05 PM PDT by servo1969

If there's one thing that Obama is a master at it's lying.

With that in mind I'm starting to feel really apprehensive about the SCOTUS vote on Obamacare.

I hate to say it but what if he's won?
What if he's managed to flip one of the judges (or didn't even have to)?
What if he's been informed by Kagan or Sotomayor that it's in the bag?
What if all these little statements to the press are just him loading the bases for a grand slam in June? So he can look Large and In Charge to all his minions?

I hate to be defeatist but I'm getting a sinking feeling in my stomach.

Jeez. If I have any grandkids they're gonna have to celebrate this c*cks*ckers birthday in school.


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To: Buckeye McFrog

” he has retracted, but you are seeing increasing signs that he is melting down and becoming mentally unhinged”

He IS mentally unhinged....you must mean he can’t hide it

behind the teleprompter anymore : )


51 posted on 04/03/2012 2:42:47 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: servo1969

It’ll be whataver it’ll be. There’s no point in wasting the next two months fretting over the possible outcome. We need this time to keep working toward November. Regardless of the court’s decision, Obama’s bill was a piece of junk... and that’s what we need to hammer home.


52 posted on 04/03/2012 2:42:46 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: servo1969
Obama's reaction is far more likely to be in response to having learned his side will lose. His words only make sense as a Hail Mary pass.
53 posted on 04/03/2012 2:43:55 PM PDT by sourcery (If true=false, then there would be no constraints on what is possible. Hence, the world exists.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; stephenjohnbanker
Ginzberg, Sotomayor, Breyer and Kagan would never vote against it.

Kagan or Sotomayor in a losing effort may try to establish their bona fides. Exactly as Congressmen do on a losing bill, by agreeing with their leadership to vote against their party to protect themselves from their constituents.

54 posted on 04/03/2012 2:44:44 PM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D in L0w and H0lder)
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To: sergeantdave

” I’ve got 6-3 that obumacare is thrown out. The whole enchilada.”

You are the only one here more optimistic than me!

I say 5/4 2700 pages of trash.....ALL of it.


55 posted on 04/03/2012 2:45:04 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: fatnotlazy

Whatever happens this will cost us all a bundle

___________________________________________________________

Unless we RESFUSE to pay. All of us.


56 posted on 04/03/2012 2:45:40 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: servo1969
Aside from this president's unprecedented opinion about Marbury and the history of it's effects, the president and his base also share (along with too many, so-called, "conservatives") the "game over" notion if the toxic Obamacare legislation is upheld.

They don't understand, apparently, that civil war may slowly begin and accelerate if the Constitution, rather than capricious and ignorant children, rule in its place.

57 posted on 04/03/2012 2:49:38 PM PDT by Prospero
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To: servo1969

First, I am absolutely certain the liberals on that court tipped Obama, they are without ethics. No question.

On what they told him, I’m not sure. At first I thought he was told it will be upheld so he is out showing bravado.

Perhaps he was told Kennedy is leaning the “wrong” way but isn’t sure. Apparently Kennedy has flipped in the past in the middle of writing an opinion.

Either way, the above is a total breach of court ethics.

Pray to God Obama is not reelected and does not get to place another 100% left wing jerk on that court. Kagan and Sotomayer are embarrassments.


58 posted on 04/03/2012 2:50:44 PM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“You are the only one here more optimistic than me!”

There’s three more like me who agree on the 6-3 SC decision. We’re part of the EOPP movement, the Eternally Optimistic Patriot Party.

Come join us. Free enchiladas and kielbasa after Saturday morning target practice.


59 posted on 04/03/2012 2:54:06 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: ri4dc

You are right that we will not be rid of this. Certainly not by anything as quick as a SCOTUS decision.

National Healthcare is happening because the bottom of the Pyramid is crumbling, just as has already happened in Old Europe. The Pyramid Schemes of Medicare an Social Security have been the Federal Government’s slush-fund for more than the last 50 years.

National Healthcare is ALL about NOT getting caught in this conspiracy to rip-off the Amercan People. And, in fact, to create new ways for stealing even more.


60 posted on 04/03/2012 2:54:35 PM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: sergeantdave

I’m there!


61 posted on 04/03/2012 2:56:27 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: servo1969

Evil has come a long way in America. It took this long but Evil has arrived. Evil almost has America by the throat and Evil WILL NOT let it’s moment pass standing by while the SCOTUS smashes its dream of a bowed, humbled, hobbled America. No, when June rolls around the votes will be there for Obama because by hook or by crook the administration will see to it. This is it folks. This is the battle. THEY know it. Soon we’ll ALL know it.


62 posted on 04/03/2012 2:57:01 PM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: servo1969

I spare myself the misery and automatically assume Obamacare will be upheld.

If it isn’t, I would be pleasantly surprised.

What I think could very well happen is that they say the mandate is not Constitutional.

Don’t get excited yet. I also think they will uphold the rest of it. Then the Obama admin will seek a single payer system using the same format as SS and Medicare (say bye to your paycheck). They will pay for it by taking the funds from you paycheck.

There is a precedence, Social Security.

Only way then to overturn will be changing the President and the Senate.


63 posted on 04/03/2012 3:00:19 PM PDT by dforest
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To: servo1969

My truck might not start tomorrow.


64 posted on 04/03/2012 3:00:19 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: GSWarrior

I thought the allowing strip searching was related to a persom being detained in jail, unrelated to the charge. In order to have some degree of safety in the jails, everyone has to be searched. It is not pleasant, but it is a fact of being put in jail.


65 posted on 04/03/2012 3:01:22 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Huskrrrr

Most here think its extremely unlikely nobama will be able to intimidate the SCOTUS into going his way and instead its likely his strongarming may turn a “maybe” into a “throw it all out”.

Am bettin if the prelim vote was heavy against nobamacare, kagan then recused herself to ward off furure impeachment. Being most junior, she would have been last to vote and could have easily recused as it came down the line. We may not know of her move until the ruling is handed down.


66 posted on 04/03/2012 3:02:22 PM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: gorush

Very true.

I actually mourn for the children today-

the ones who think oral sex isn’t sex- thanks to Bill Clinton

the ones who can’t play outside until it is dark without an adult watching over them

the ones who sit in front of the television, playing video games until it is time to go to bed

the ones who text each other instead of holding their hands playing Red Rover

the ones who are taught fisting is an acceptable act between children

the ones who are taught union songs in school by teachers hellbent on securing their own financial security instead of the student’s academic security

the ones who are taught that muslims are important American history makers (as according to the POS POTUS)

the ones who will ‘hook up’ instead of knowing the thrill that goes with that first date and the possible first kiss between two teenagers courting.

But mostly , I feel sorry for the children who will not be taught that America and Americans are exceptional, that we are the world’s peace keeper and the most giving country in this world, but have been headed for the last three years by someone and his wife who truly hates this country and all that we stand for and is determined to destroy her from within.


67 posted on 04/03/2012 3:02:51 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: gorush

Very true.

I actually mourn for the children today-

the ones who think oral sex isn’t sex- thanks to Bill Clinton

the ones who can’t play outside until it is dark without an adult watching over them

the ones who sit in front of the television, playing video games until it is time to go to bed

the ones who text each other instead of holding their hands playing Red Rover

the ones who are taught fisting is an acceptable act between children

the ones who are taught union songs in school by teachers hellbent on securing their own financial security instead of the student’s academic security

the ones who are taught that muslims are important American history makers (as according to the POS POTUS)

the ones who will ‘hook up’ instead of knowing the thrill that goes with that first date and the possible first kiss between two teenagers courting.

But mostly , I feel sorry for the children who will not be taught that America and Americans are exceptional, that we are the world’s peace keeper and the most giving country in this world, but have been headed for the last three years by someone and his wife who truly hates this country and all that we stand for and is determined to destroy her from within.


68 posted on 04/03/2012 3:02:51 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

(I feel so strongly about this that I had to post it twice.)


69 posted on 04/03/2012 3:05:28 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: JoSixChip
Because then you have the whole law in place with no funding mechanism

Well, at least that would be consistent with all other Federal health legislation.

70 posted on 04/03/2012 3:05:46 PM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: TalBlack

I think this is the first time I have disagreed with you....oh yeah....the evil is here, and Obama is the head dude, but SCOTUS is deservedly PISSED OFF at Obama, and no threat will change it. Also, it is the most evil, vile, unconstitutional POS that ever darkened the steps of SCOTUS.


71 posted on 04/03/2012 3:05:49 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: servo1969
it is what it is.....tptb control everything....the congress can still strip this monstrosity down to its undies....

maybe pray?

72 posted on 04/03/2012 3:06:02 PM PDT by cherry
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To: JoSixChip

“That is the worst possible senenrio. Because then you have the whole law in place with no funding mechanism. This would cost trillions more in taxes or deficit spending.”

In that case I predict it bankrupts the insurance industry, Obama declares a National Emergency, and we end up with a true Universal Single Payer. That is, if Obama’s reelected. If Republicans win the White House and the Senate, bye-bye bill, judicial review or no judicial review. Unless the pubs stab themselves in the back again by redrawing their Maginot Line past coverage for preexisting conditions, which is a distinct possibility.


73 posted on 04/03/2012 3:06:47 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: rabidralph

My momma might go to jail, my dog might die, and my bottle might let me down!


74 posted on 04/03/2012 3:08:48 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: GSWarrior

strip searches are required for all to prevent introduction of contraband. Your liberal state of mind is as usual harmful to society while protecting psuedo rights of criminals.


75 posted on 04/03/2012 3:15:05 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: servo1969

Who knows how ‘persuasive’ Obama’s argument/threat might be. I have a feeling he has more than the 5 “Republicans” on the court to worry about.


76 posted on 04/03/2012 3:19:12 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Rashputin

Very astute analysis. I agree with you.


77 posted on 04/03/2012 3:24:35 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: bert
Your liberal state of mind is as usual harmful to society while protecting psuedo rights of criminals.

Your unsolicited cheap shot is not very astute.

78 posted on 04/03/2012 3:32:23 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: sergeantdave

“I’ve got 6-3 that obumacare is thrown out. The whole enchilada.”

Not having a REAL clue, I think it is not going to be 5-4 and that’s what has Obama really worried. It’s not impossible that it was initially 6-3 or even 7-2, and if it gets there, the 2 BHO appointees may be persuaded to go per curiam, and tell Congress to do better next time.

No matter what, there will probably be 9 opinions written, concurring in part, opposing in part, blah blah blah. Every one of them will want to have his/her say.


79 posted on 04/03/2012 3:32:44 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: gorush
God is greater than evil and HE still is sitting on His throne. Have faith and cling on to the HOPE of Christ. That's what gets me going very morning and when I stare at my grand children’s face and future!! GOD IS IN CONTROL! People of valor fear NOT and keep your eyes on the Lord. Be strong and of good courage and continue the fight!NEVER SURRENDER TO THE ENEMY!!
80 posted on 04/03/2012 3:35:16 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: EDINVA

Your guess has equal value with mine. The good Lord infected me with optimism. So I’m going with His call.

I believe that God is working His will in ways we can’t even guess. We’re going to come out this obuma fiasco,but He does expect us to do hard work, while He does the heavy lifting.


81 posted on 04/03/2012 3:41:27 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: servo1969

This bill gets passed. We reached the tipping point a while ago. No turning back. Too many ass wipes in the country. Prepare.


82 posted on 04/03/2012 3:42:43 PM PDT by Slehn (Resolve)
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To: RoseofTexas
"Be strong and of good courage and continue the fight!NEVER SURRENDER TO THE ENEMY!!"

You may have misinterpreted. I intend to out in an blaze of glory, whether or not I will still be an agnostic is impossible to say.

83 posted on 04/03/2012 3:44:34 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: DCBryan1

In this photo......Chewie should have Mooooooochelle Obamas face inserted into the photo.......just sayin.....


84 posted on 04/03/2012 3:49:31 PM PDT by Michigan Bowhunter
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To: servo1969


85 posted on 04/03/2012 3:50:27 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: X-spurt

Most here think its extremely unlikely nobama will be able to intimidate the SCOTUS into going his way and instead its likely his strongarming may turn a “maybe” into a “throw it all out”.

Got it, I hope you’re right.


86 posted on 04/03/2012 3:53:02 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Or he knows he has won and now his grand speech will make him look like a he has unprecedented powers of persuasion.


87 posted on 04/03/2012 3:53:13 PM PDT by chickenlips (Mitt Romney, like John McCain but with less appeal)
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To: servo1969
I got a dirty dirty feeling!
88 posted on 04/03/2012 3:55:52 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: chickenlips

Nah, the thing is so far gone, that a first year law student would toss it. It won’t stop Obama from trying to break the law though. He does it almost every day.


89 posted on 04/03/2012 3:57:49 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I think they will rule the individual mandate not Constitutional. Obama already knows that.

What they won’t do is say the whole bill must be thrown out. The Court will contend that the text of the bill isn’t their business, only whether it is Constitutional. They will have to find another way to pay for it other than an individual mandate.

This is where the election comes into play. The SCOTUS will leave it up to the voters. Obama will use this as a tool to say that the GOP doesn’t care about Americans and Healthcare. If you notice, Obama has already began that talk this week.

Elect Obama and Dems, you will get a single payer system just like SS.

Elect a Republican President and Republican House and Senate, you have a chance to overturn it.

What is in the bill is irrelevant. It isn’t about that, and that is why Reid took out the clause that said it is not severable from the mandate.

Since the severabilty clause was removed, why is the SCOTUS wasting any time on severability?


90 posted on 04/03/2012 3:58:13 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Signalman
I missed obama’s rant yesterday, is it posted anyplace?
91 posted on 04/03/2012 4:02:33 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Buckeye McFrog
"he has retracted, but you are seeing increasing signs that he is melting down and becoming mentally unhinged"

Barry has been unhinged at least since he was in college. The fact that he hid his insanity from himself and the world by turning narcissist is what has kept him out of an asylum. Narcissists excel at two things, using people and hiding from reality. As long as Barry had Obamacare on track he could keep the bubble he lives in intact. With Obamacare even in the Supreme Court, he's going to have ever increasing problems with keeping the bubble he lives in in place, problems to the point of probably acting obviously insane even in public if Obamacare is totally eliminated.

Any country that elects a guy who admitted to what Barry admitted to in his own Bio and has constantly fought in court to hide the same records everyone else is expected to be able to provide when applying for a job deserves what they get. This country elected a maniac who lives in his own unreal word because that's how most of the voters live, in their own, unreal, little world. For all the "social media" jabber, people have given up social interaction for personal illusion at an increasing rate ever since teenagers started meeting friends on the net instead of meeting them at the mall or other well populated public places.

The country has an insane narcissist at the helm because the majority has gotten used to a fabricated, narrcististic, individualized, little world they each make for themselves rather than facing the challenges of the real world.

JMHO

92 posted on 04/03/2012 4:14:10 PM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: Cap Huff
“I HATE to say it but what if he’s won? . . . . I HATE to be defeatist but I’m getting a sinking feeling in my stomach.” If you really HATE these things, why are you posting this vanity? Do you think this is helping in any way? Optimism is probably the most essential of all American attributes. It is the essence of America. Real conservative Americans should be optimists. Pessimism, cynicism and negativity are European and the essence of Liberalism. We can be realistic without being pessimistic. Leave the pessimism for the likes of Obama.

Because I wanted to hear if other people feel the same way. If so, maybe the discussion will make us/me feel better. It is called a vanity.
93 posted on 04/03/2012 4:16:37 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Amen.


94 posted on 04/03/2012 4:30:01 PM PDT by IWONDR
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To: Rashputin
people will figure they can take the Senate and keep control of the House so, screw Romney. They'll figure a Republican House and Senate can reign King Barry in and roll things back

I truly do not believe there are that many people who really give it that much thought or even have that thorough of an understanding of how our government functions.

95 posted on 04/03/2012 4:51:56 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"Ginzberg, Sotomayor, Breyer and Kagan would never vote against it. "

I predict an eight to one vote to kill the whole thing, with Ginsberg being the only holdout.

96 posted on 04/03/2012 5:25:36 PM PDT by matthew fuller (FLASH! Republican circular firing squad successful! No survivors remain.)
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To: PhiloBedo
Every Bar Association, Judiciary Committee, and any other group in the justice system should be calling for Kagan to recuse herself.

Why? Kagan has strong precedent for not recusing herself, from none other than Justice Rehnquist, no less. See Laird v. Tatum, 408 U.S. 1 (1972)
97 posted on 04/03/2012 5:34:49 PM PDT by Oceander (TINSTAAFL - Mother Nature Abhors a Free Lunch almost as much as She Abhors a Vacuum)
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To: Oceander

Thank you for the reference. It is as you say.

I wonder, was there any call for Rehnquist to recuse himself, at the time?

Are the Justices exempt from having to recuse themselves?


98 posted on 04/03/2012 6:17:16 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Huskrrrr

I hope so also. I also have faith in the predestination of America.


99 posted on 04/03/2012 6:18:29 PM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: ri4dc
"Same feeling I had when the bill was passed in the first place; that we will never be rid of this mess they have created. If you understand that their motive has nothing to do with health care, but rather control of 1/6 of the us economic activity and diverting premiums paid to insurance co’s into fedzilla’s revenue stream in perpertuity, then it becomes quite clear they will stop at nothing, including making scotus irrelevent, to reach their ends. Docs will start fleeing and the quality of care in the US will be no better than in Russia. I knew we were doomed since Nov 4, 2008, the night me and my wife shed tears for America. Not much has changed for my family, yet. But I am well aware that “change”, the transformation of America, is well under way, and will exact it’s toll on us and my kid’s once bright future in fairly short order. I will go vote for ABO, but 2008 surely proves there is not enough of us who care enough. The socialist transformation has taken root."

Me too, Nov, 3rd, the day before the day before the election, I also shed tears for my country.  I knew what was gonna happen.  I knew my America was at an end.

Socialism was once taboo in this nation.  Obama broke the ice for socialism.  Socialism is now in America to stay.  This is Obama's greatest achievement.  Whether commiecare stands or not, the socialists all over this nation have come out of the closet like ravening wolves, and they are here to stay.  Even after Obama is long gone. 

The day before the election, Nov. 3rd 2008, I decided to watch my old "Last of the Mohicans" dvd, at the end of the movie, at the last scene, he says..

One day there will no more frontier, and men like you.. will go too.  Like the Mohicans.

A new people will come, work, struggle. Some will make their lives, but once we were here.

Likewise, once we were here too.  Free men.

 

100 posted on 04/03/2012 6:22:54 PM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Kill commie-care for Mommie)
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