Skip to comments.Appeals court fires back at Obama's comments on health care case
Posted on 04/03/2012 2:10:13 PM PDT by mwilli20
... a federal appeals court apparently is calling the president's bluff -- ordering the Justice Department to answer by Thursday whether the Obama Administration believes that the courts have the right to strike down a federal law ...
(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...
“.. I am convinced he wants the constitution rewritten...”
FDR tried to rewrite the USC. Its fascinating history worth Binging. Obama, and comrads, are attempting to do the same. Only they are not putting a new constitution in writing.
Mostly because they know, from history, it wouldn’t work.
You Mean There is someone In Washington that has Grown a Pair? WOW,Where the Hell are the Morons in Congress,I guess they have Been Dutifully Neutered as well those Champions we Have Running to try and depose the Dictator in Chief. One thing you can say about Obama,He has more Balls than all the Republican Pussies combined. They are amateurs,this Communist has Learned his Thuggery lessons well,we are in for a Roller Coaster ride the likes this Country has not seen in this Generation and the Outcome holds our Country in the Balance
Very well said.....
Exactly why today that question has relevance. Way too many folks have no idea about our Constitution, only worried about what benefits they can get. We are in big trouble.
Judge Jerry Smith, of the 5th Circuit, is no slouch when it comes to challenging the federal government when he believes it has overstepped.
It is amazing.
What Obama believes is utterly immaterial.
The SCOTUS WILL invalidate the administration’s healthcare legislation.
There is absolutely nothing Obama can do about it, unless he stages a coup, declares the constitution invalid, and assumes the powers of a dictator.
Personally, I wouldn’t put it past him to try it.
The REPUBS realize that to start impeachment attacks on the TRAITOR would lead to riots so severe it might threaten the government in ways they don't want to deal with.
It's much easier to simply avoid any fights and let Americans kick the scumbag to the curb in November. If Obama tries Martial Law, it's the last thing he's going to do. If he tries to incite racial riots like he tried in Florida, he might not live long enough to regret it (this is an observation, not a threat) as the government will not be able to protect him if he steps too far over the line that he has been bumping up against).
Obama is guilty of treason in Fast and Furious
Obama is guilty of treason by attacking Libya
Obama is purposely hurting America by doing everything he can to keep the country pouring $$ into Arab countries for oil. The pipeline, Gulf of Mexico, you name it.
The scumbag known as Obama is about to have his house of cards come crumbling down on his head. The insiders want us to take out the trash in the White House, they aren't going to touch it.
Both points are prime examples of the historical revisionism that the left so frequently engages in. Even the CBS writer of the posted article (as well as any American citizen with a decent knowledge of American history) knows that federal courts have been engaged in vetting the constitutionality of statutes passed by Congress, i.e., "judicial review," since Marbury v. Madison in 1803.
As to the second point, we all know that Obamacare passed the House by a very slim margin and that it passed the Senate by a small margin only via the use of "reconciliation," which averted its defeat by filibuster. "Stong majority"? Anything but!
The serious part of the federal judiciary are still burned up about Marbury v. Madison (1803), that while it was the first time in which the Supreme Court asserted the right to overturn a federal law as unconstitutional, just as importantly, it ordered the president to comply with their order, and he *refused*.
This was a huge increase in the power of the office of the presidency.
This obviously hit a serious nerve with this judge. By Obama challenging the right of the SCOTUS to find a law unconstitutional, he is threatening the balance of power in Washington between the three branches.
Essentially this would mean that the POTUS is supreme and can ignore the SCOTUS. And that is throwing down a gauntlet, big time.
I agree that this is a horrible move. However, it is one I am glad they made. If you do not fight these things early, they are lot harder to fight later on.
They only had to look at Venezuela where Chavez got a law passed that expanded their Supreme Court from 20 to 32. Whom do you think the extra 12 supported?
Also, do not fall for this “he did not say he will not abide by the ruling” pap. This is not about the here and now. This is about whipping his Occupy supporters into an anti supreme court frenzy for the battles that are to rage later on.
Jesus Be With Us. Is their actually JUSTICE in justice?
This is splendid courage on the part of this AWESOME judge and his two sitting and silent marvelous coordinates beside him!!
Federal court jurisdiction is limited in part by the "case or controversy" requirement of the Constitution; federal courts may not render mere advisory opinions (as some state courts may). If a court does not have the authority to order a remedy to the prevailing party in a case, it doesn't have the jurisdiction to hear the case.
In this instance (assuming the CBS claim bears some semblance to the truth), if a party has suggested that the court is without jurisdiction, the court must address that claim, or the party withdraw it.
Maybe this poser will manage to tick the USSC off enough that they not only unanimously toss Obamacare, but they then decide to take up the issue of eligibility, and toss Obama out with the Obamacare.
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GOD BLESS TEXAS!!!!
>>If you think The 0’s actions are “shameful”, just wait until Holder and his apparat get into the deal.
I can see these America-hating communists making a statement like “How many divisions does the Supreme Court have?” I can see Obama/Holder deciding to ignore the SCOTUS for “good of the people”.
>>Does ANYONE really believe that 0bama is a ‘Constitutional Scholar’?
He’s a liberal constitutional scholar. That means that he doesn’t read the document. He just makes up contents based on his ideology.
Yes, my FRiend, without an objective press, Obama gets to create whatever propaganda of revisionism he wants, from one day to the next.
Generally, racial and ethnic minorities take Obama at his word, and so he is creating the foundation for mayhem.Thats his job and his greatest calling.
While they are at it, they should ask to examine DumBO;s birth certificate.
Looks like he got his butt kicked indirectly today.
Mark my words, Obama will win the argument placing Federal authority over Constitutional, State's and individual rights. This bill has nothing to do with healthcare and everything to do with extending Federal power and concentrating it in the Executive Branch. Obama might just issue a executive order, declare martial law, or something, which will make sure this totalitarian document become the law of the land.
It's only a matter of time after the 'Rat's steal a second term for Imam Obama. Then you will finally see Obama for who he really is and the war on Christians and Jews will begin. Islam will provide the sword and those who refuse to bow down and worship will lose their heads. Of course, the educated class of leaders won't be given the option to convert, because they only want worker bees.
Some of you are aware of Zero's deep involvement in the occult. He's carried or wore an amulet on his person since family photos of him living in Indonesia or the Philippines first appeared in print. This amulet bears the image of a hindu deity, or superman who goes by the name of Hanuman. This immortal demon's most important gift is removal of obstacles for those who worship him. In fact he's got a shine in every Hindu, Buddhist and Asian temple Obama has visited.
However, many clues are present from both historians and the worship of his feast days to properly identify exactly who both Hanuman and Barack Obama really represent in context to Western theology. In fact, if you examine Greek, Roman, Islam and Babylonian religions in depth, you will discover a similar pattern to that of the Holy Bible. Perhaps, the best example is that of the fish god Dagon and his triune family.
There's always a Father figure, a counterfeit like Zeus, a savior Apollo and a feminine deity. Whatever counterfeit you examine, the more connected you realize we are to these characters that were created by our ancient enemy to fool mankind into worshiping false gods, such as satan himself. In the case of the monkey god of Obama, he plays the role of the warrior king Jesus Christ who will someday come to purge this world of evil.
You may recall that the occult calendar tells us that 'the Beast' is worshipped at the end of March and the first three weeks of April. Hanuman likewise is worshipped by his followers during this exact same time. Fasting, prayers, special dietary laws are enforced all over Asia. His statutes adorn every temple and he's anointed with a fresh coat of honey and vermillion. The high priest who carries away our sins and paints them upon a scapegoat. Sound familiar?
Below I'm posting pictures of young Obama wearing his amulet. I also need to explain why I think the Regime has hidden all documents, including his kindergarten records from public scrutiny. I sincerely believe that his real birthday coincides with April 20th 1961 during the period of worship of both the monkey god and the Beast reaches a climax. Why else would somebody hide their kindergarten records?
BTW, mohammed, Adolph Hitler and Jewish calamities all fall within a two day period of April 19-20. That's what they're desperate to hide Kindergarten records from the public. Evidence, Obama's mother Stanley Durham arrived home to Seattle 4 days after giving birth to Barry and then immediately began taking a full load of classes at university. Remember, this was her
first born SON
Re: Well, maybe Obama will just cut to the chase and sign an executive order seizing everyones assets and call it a day.
I think the XO he is shooting for is to declare himself president for life
Don’t be too shocked if the DOJ challenges the Judge’s authority to demand such an explanation and/or demands the Judge’s recusal for his open show of hostility to the administration (and because he must be a racist if he defied the Obamessiah).
As much as I blasted the Administration for its statements (check my posts) this is a bad move by the 5th Circuit. The President is a politician. While his comments were horribly wrong, they are still in a political context, and he did not say he would refuse to follow a decision. This looks like the judges are taking sides in a purely political rhetorical war, and I think that’s a bad move.
I understand your concerns, but I disagree that it was an inappropriate question or assignment. Obama is the Chief Executive of DOJ and they are defending Obamacare in the courts. Obama’s statements as the head of DOJ are relevant to the case in front of the 5th Circuit (and SCOTUS). The courts understand their constitutional place much better than the media and administration.
Furthermore, the Judges can use DOJ’s brief when ruling on the constitutionality of Obamacare. In that sense, it was brilliant because DOJ has insinuated throughout the court battles on Obamacare that the courts must consider that legislation was passed by elected officials. I am sure they made the same submission to this court so it is in fact part of their argument.
The Judge could have softened his question by not specifically mentioning the President, but this is one Judge that clearly, and appropriately in my humble opinion, wanted to get a clear statement from DOJ on the role of the courts.
Kudos to this Judge for demanding a specific answer and it will be interesting to read the response from DOJ. I won’t be surprised to see the written response in the SCOTUS decision for the majority.
I saw this on Foxnews. Get the popcorn ready......
I wonder if there is anyone in Holder’s Department of “Justice” who is literate enough to compose a three page explanation. Probably not.
Obama did not say he would refuse to follow the decision, and even if he did, it's not an executory decision. It's based on the power to tax, which requires courts to enforce and collect, etc.
Obama stepped in it with this comment, and was getting blasted. He even issued a "clarification" earlier today. When your opponent is willing to hang himself, the best tack is to hand him the rope, and stand back.
Obama was trying to claim that an adverse ruling by SCOTUS would be pure politics. He looked like a fool in saying that. But by leaping headlong into a clearly political move of it' own, the Fifth Circuit made itself a much better target of charges of political bias than SCOTUS ever did.
No need. Instead, they're simply engaging in parallel processing. There are two separate programs running at the same time: The Rule of Law, which operates under the Constitution, and the Rule of Obama, which ignores and/or deliberately undermines any laws not to his taste. He is gradually working toward his ultimate goal, which is to take the Rule of Law permanently off-line.
Thank goodness somebody has the cajones to say something. Wonder IF they’ll reply with the 3 page written response by Thursday morning?
Thank goodness somebody has the cajones to say something. Wonder IF they’ll reply with the 3 page written response by Thursday morning?
One of the best and wisest posts I’ve ever read here on FR.
Bottom line to “Constitutional law professor (BS) Barack Obama”
Rule 101 of Rules of Federal Civil Proceedure: “Don’t F with the Courts.”
Don’t forget rule Rule 101 (See Post 65)
Make that # 85
It was appropriate that the 5th Circuit carry out this politically delicate, but necessary, task. It saved SCOTUS from getting into the fray and possibly tarnishing its perceived impartiality.
“You Mean There is someone In Washington that has Grown a Pair?”
Nope. The appellate argument took place before the federal court of appeals in Houston, Texas.
Wouldn’t it be nice if Bohner and the Congress had as big a set of minerals.
Well...the courts need to take a stand in Obama’s political war against the constitutional authority of the courts. If they are silent, they lose their power as a co-equal branch of government to a Marxist.
Mr. Obama is playing with fire. The courts can scalp him if judges and attorneys see their power slipping away. They are as power hungry as he is.
The answer is: no, he has not.
This whole contretemps reminds me of a curious finding by Stanley Kurtz, reported in his book "Radical-in-Chief".
Attempting to discover who Obama really was, Kurtz interviewed everybody he'd ever worked for. Seems that Obama never completed anything he started and left every job he ever had complaining of "not having enough power."
Having left one job, he then sought a post which would give him more power. That's why he went to Harvard, for example -- because a Harvard degree would allow him to accrue "more power."
The progression from community organizer to the State Senate, to the U.S. Senate to the Presidency was all a part of this quest for "more power."
From this, it is obvious that Obama's concept of "power" is childlike -- that of a juvenile's. In his mind, power isn't earned, persuasion and trust aren't integral to it. Instead, it is conferred by one's office.
To Obama, "power" is defined by making people do what you want them to do. All you have to do is issue a command. And, now, he inhabits the most powerful office in the free world. The "power" is his.
And he believes the SCOTUS should do his bidding. He has commanded them to do so. And he cannot conceive why they would deny him.
Of course, he will ignore their ruling!
This ignorant man-child is going to bring serious trouble down on all our heads.
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Interesting. Okay, how about scary? By the way, would an airline allow a mother with a 4 day old aboard in 1961? I’m thinkin’ ‘no’ but that’s just a guess.
Why is everyone surprized? Obama HUSSEIN LOVES CHAVEZ, CASTRO, STALIN and every other Communist Despot! They are HIS HEROS! Obama HUSSEIN Depises America and Her Freedoms!
Remember, Farrakkon stated in a Large Address that “OBAMA wasn’t ELECTED, but rather, HE was selected by US!” Farrakkon also stated that: Obama HUSSEIN is OUR PROPHET sent directly from ALLAH!” Sure doesn’t sound like Obama HUSSEIN is one of Us American Christians!!!
Obama HUSSEIN is an absolute FRAUD who has Torn apart American from within America’s Most Hallowed and Honored OFFICE!! WAKE UP!! AMERICANS and also the Brain Dead Republican Party Leadership and All Republicans and Independents!! even Thinking Democrats! if there are ANY????
Excellent post! Thank you!
What Obama did was perfectly legal, but unethical. Thugish. We would never see George Bush try to spin a court case while judges are contemplating its outcome. He had respect for the American system and those with opposing ideas.
These courts, these judges, have every right to throw a brush back pitch in the presidents face. I'm getting sick and tired of everyone giving this jack wagon whatever he wants because it's racist not to.
This spoiled brat, gangsta A-hole in the oval office has played the race card for 50 years. It's high time it come to an end.
The SOB is owed no more respect than Hugo Chavez. Obama earned this slap in the face.
Obama HUSSEIN IS NO SCHOLAR OF ANYTHING!!
Why else has he forbid anyone to see His Academic Records, His Test Scores, or any and all witnesses to his Scholarly Pursuits! let alone any other records of HIS EXISTENCE, AT ALL!!
Imagine the Media allowing Sarah Palin to lock up Her Past! or McPAIN! or any of the Bushes, or Romney, or Santorem or Paul, let alone Gingrich!!
The Birth certificate is a Fraud! and thats the smallest Attack Obama HUSSEIN and His Handlers have perpetrated on Our Beloved AMERICA!!
george Soros has bragged on TV that he will destroy America with Obama HUSSEIN as his Puppet and that the Stimulus Program was HIS alone, designed to Destroy America!
Why does Our Government allow one Jew Hating, Billionaire
Scumbag to hold America and all of Us Citizens Hostage, and Destroy Us one by One from within Our Hallowed Oval Office, while Our Brave Soldiers are Slaughted in Afghanistan and Elsewhile because of Obama HUSSEIN’s Treasonous Rules of Engagement!!
WAKE UP AMERICA!! This is just not an Election in 2012! Its Fighting for the Salvation of America from Muslim terrorists led by Obama HUSSEIN and His Puppeteers!! and the Communists Parties of the United States and the World!!
I’m downloading an audio file of the 5th Circuit hearing. I haven’t had the chance to listen to it all but the first minute or so I heard, it’s definitely that courtroom. The file is at
Starts at about 18 minutes in I hear.