Skip to comments.Scarborough: 'No One' In GOP Establishment Thinks Romney Will Beat Obama
Posted on 04/04/2012 5:37:08 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
Unemployment stubbornly over 8%. His landmark piece of legislation in dire peril of being dumped by the Supreme Court. The "flexibility" moment with Putin's pawn. Does that sound like an invincible incumbent to you?
It does to Joe Scarborough, and according to him, to every other member of the Republican establishment. On Morning Joe today, Scarborough said that while they won't admit it on TV, "no one" in the GOP establishment believes Mitt Romney will beat Barack Obama in the general election. View the video here.
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Ugghh. Why even log in here anymore? That’s just crazy talk. Don’t include me, in your “our incentive” statement.
“This stooge basically gets paid by leftist MSNBC to make Republicans look bad.”
You are correct!
All the freepers who are falling for this ... don’t.
Romney is at least a 50/50 shot at beating Obama.
The DNC/Obama team want to drag our the primary and so will attack Romney. They are doing all they can to weaken Romney.
The only chance Obama has is revving up his base and depressing ours ... So, expect a lot of “MOBY” operations (look it up) to tell us how awful Romney is, how he cant win, etc. etc. anti-Romney freepers who feed this narrative, just be careful you dont unwittingly do the Obama team bidding.
Sad to say, it’s over for Santorum. Look at the delegate count and the primaries coming up. He’s at the point where he is nearly mathematically impossible to win. Newt’s at that point and now is gettin single digits to low teens in the vote - him going to Tampa is about as meaningful as Ron Paul doing that. none can get the delegates to defeat Romney. That leaves brokered convention as the last not-Romney option ... but do we want to pick our nominee and give them only 60 days? The GOP elites dont, which is why they are coming around Romney now. If Romney wins PA, lights out for Santorum and the nomination is over. Romney wins.
Meanwhile, likely voter polls show Romney v Obama at 45-45. In reality this means Obama is in Big Heap Trouble.
I agree anybody but Obama.
Obama has already made it clear that he plans on moving to the fringe left if he wins, because he wont have to worry about relection in 2016. Considering how far to the left he has been when having a relection to worry about, it’s very scary to think what he will do in 2012-2016 when he has no restraints.
Romney on the other hand has no real convictions. He only cares about getting votes. Romney would govern 2012-2016 like somebody who had a relection to worry about. Which translates into Romney would govern center/right.
Center/right may not be ideal for freepers, but I think it is a whole lot better than the FAR left governance that you will get with Obama.
Thats why it baffles me when people say Romney and Obama are the same. How can you say somebody who wants to take the country to the fringe far left is the same as somebody who is going to take the country center/right ?
It’s really quite simple. An adult will always make the best of what he has to work with while a whiner will wail, gnash their teeth and threaten to take their football and go home. The latter is what we are seeing from the anti Romney people.
To be clear, I am NOT a fan of Romney and had I the choice to make myself I would not choose him. However I believe i do see the reality and the seriousness of another Obama term and believe with the support of all registered Republicans whomever the nominee is will be elected.
Those who say Romney is another Obama are either a bit crazed or else they are liberal plants sent here with the purpose of dispiriting the right.
The very first thing which must be done after a serious injury (Obama) is to stop the bleeding. After that is done the healing process begins. But without the first thing happening there is NO CHANCE of the second coming about.
If you go back at least 4 years you will find that Scarborough has completely blown or been way off the mark on every electoral prediction he has made. He’s in the tank for Obama because MSNBC has bought him. He’s also extremely boring which is why I am glad I can switch to Fox Business Channel and watch Degan Mc Dowell put down Don Imus.
“When I hear things like this, I always think the opposite is true.”
Dont throw us in that briar patch, MSNBC/Team Obama!
Joe Scarborough said Bill Crist was “the only professional in the room” in 2010 (in Scarborough’s home state of Florida) and that he would mop the floor with Marco Rubio.
Joe Scarborough said Rand Paul would lose in 2010.
Joe Scarborough predicted that Bob McDonnell would lose in Virginia in 2010 and that in Texas Rick Perry would lose first to Kay B. Hutchinson (wrong) and to Bill White (very wrong).
Joe Scarborough said the Republicans would NOT retake the House of Representatives in 2010, or if they did it would be by a scant few seats (nice hedge but stupidly wrong).
Joe Scarborough cheated on his first wife, destroyed his family, had a dead intern turn up in his Florida congressional office and resigned his seat under cover of darkness, all within a period of months (2001). The intern’s death, by the way, has never been satisfactorily explained (her family was treated like garbage by Scarborough and his people) nor for that matter has his resignation (he had just won re-election and wasn’t in danger of being voted out).
Scarborough watched as his fellow Republicans ran from him like the vile poison he is, personally and professionally, and he has never forgiven them or the party in general for it. That is why he does and says what he does and says.
Joe Scarborough is as bitter and egomanical as his erstwhile colleague Keith Olbermann and he is as willfully obtuse as his present doofus colleague Ed Schultz.
He will no doubt follow the both of them into deserved oblivion.
Due to the FHA, Fannie and Freddie Bankruptcies of September, 2008, American home owners lost 30 % of the value of their homes. That is a 30 % cut in just one month. Home values are still down 30 %.
Thus, let us cut the total compensation to all elected Federal politicians, and their staffs by 30 %, and an additional 10 % cut to elected Federal politicians each year until Federal Spending is LESS THAN the average of the previous 2 years of Federal income.
BTW, since slightly less than half of the US House, and 2/3 of the US Senate are Millionaires, it will be a great opportunity for Congress to lead by example that EVERYONE should give up their fair share of the American Dream.
What better way can there be to demonstrate that America is truly a SUB-PRIME NATION?
While Joe is blabbing, Mika is on her I Phone conversing with her buddy in the WH Valerie Jarrett.
cripplecreek, the GOP is literally the only line of defense against Obama, and what Obama will continue to do to this country. I think it is wrong for anyone of us on the right to make such comments about the Republicans. When we accuse the GOP of being afraid of “heavy lifting” or when we admit that the GOP will “blame Obama for all their failures”, we do a great disservice to conservatives in this country. I’m sorry, but your remarks about the GOP sound just like leftist talking points.
What do they care, really? The establishment of both parties are one in the same. They're members of the same country clubs, send their kids to the same private schools, spend their weekends with each other laughing and joking. Their comfortable lifestyles will not be impacted regardless of which party is in power. And should they get voted out of office, they'll have Cadillac pensions on top of guaranteed six-figure consulting jobs in the private sector.
Im for ABO but Romney is going to lose and I don’t think it’s going to be conservatives that will not vote for him. I think the precious moderates and independents will not be inspired enough with this milquetoast, bland, uncharismatic, no core, wooden and plastic of a candidate we got -— they’ll just stick with the one they already got even if they don’t like him either, that being Obama
What was the real circumstance of Scarborough leaving Congress as he did? Was the truth ever known?
You mean was there a big media inquiry into the dead intern found in his office?
Which is the dumbest "number one issue" imaginable. If that's the most important issue, then why not nominate Hillary Clinton? It just shows the voters are sheeple led by the RINO media, who has been pushing the "Romney is electable" meme for at least 6 months now. They have nothing good to say about him based on his past and present record, so can only point to a mythical future proposition to try to sell him. And every voter who bought it is a brain dead idiot. The only issue that matters is electing someone who will promote conservative policies.
My feeling is most of the better candidates never got in the race because they were afraid they'd be perceived as racist if they had to be publically critical of Obama. I'm sure that whittled down the field some. They're also not as dumb as Romney, who knows nothing about politics, and assumes he can win the race by being a "nice guy." He'll try but he can't and won't do it. Romney's imminent nomination has all but guaranteed us four more years of Obama, unless of course a massive market crash, Katrina-like debacle, or Lewinsky-like scandal happens in October.
Fiscally, He’s one of them.
The reason is simple. The GOP-e hates conservatives more than Progressives. CWII is getting closer...
That is definitely awesome and shows us once again Palin is a natural, 100% pure conservative with all the right instincts. West seems like the real deal to me, a true “young gun” conservative. Unlike Rubio who seems more like the establishment’s new golden boy. The fact that the establishment is trying to redistrict West out of existence adds more proof to the pudding.
Levin is clearly still talking about the primary contests which are upcoming. He has even said so on his show. He has also continued to say that he would vote for a can of orange juice if that is the nominee against Obama. Please distinguish between primary season and the November election... there is a world of difference.
I will do everything I can to make sure that the GOP fields a conservative candidate in November.(though there is no true conservative in the bunch)
But come November I will do EVERYTHING I can to ensure that Obama does NOT have a second term
If the SCOTUS shoots down Obamacare, this would take a major issue off the table and help Mitt Milquetoast. The MSM was going to go after the hypocrisy angle with MassCare being the prototype for Obamacare.
Which history says you won't have after 2014. The opposing party to the president usually wins seats in the mid-terms. Romney has proven as governor that he will bend over for a liberal legislature, if not try to "out-liberal" them if he thinks that's where the wind is blowing. This is why we're probably better off with him losing now. Then we can maintain gridlock against Obama, win more seats in 2014, and get a better nominee in 2016. If we get Romney now, chances are Dems will win seats in 2014 and then win back the presidency in 2016, a repeat of 2006 and 2008. Then they'll have the mandate and the majority to pass single payer health care, cap-and-trade and do everything else they want.
Im for ABO but Romney is going to lose and I dont think its going to be conservatives that will not vote for him. I think the precious moderates and independents will not be inspired enough with this milquetoast, bland, uncharismatic, no core, wooden and plastic of a candidate we got - theyll just stick with the one they already got even if they dont like him either, that being Obama
And you believe that Rick Santorum or Newt Gingrich will inspire moderates and independents ?
Because he couldn’t be more unlike them.
We needn’t a golden boy...we need the real deal.
Pretty easy job
There is a treasure trove of negative material for all factions of the liberal media to attack Romney with and he doesn't have the intrinsic likability to rise above the attacks on an emotional level. His weak-to-terrible performance in all his past political runs bears that out. Short of an October news disaster for B.O., Romney is toast. He's unelectable.
No I didn’t say that. I’m not advocating for any of these GOP clowns but it’s clear that Romney is weak and has all of the attributes of all of the recent Presidential losers - flip flopped, wooden, out of touch, uninspiring,....etc. You know that he’s all of that and more and it’s very sad what’s going to most likely happen
“If Romney wins it will be because Democrats have voted for him. Why would ANY Republican be content with four years of a President and his policies whom DEMOCRATS are happy voting for?!”
Reagan got a lot of Democrats to vote for him. Was that so bad?
Face it, we will need every vote we can get to topple the Obama Regime.
I appreciate the sentiment. If Romney is the nominee, it doesn't what you or anyone else does, Democrats will win.
Just do what your master tells you to do and don’t worry about me. I’ll be fine without pathetic mewling cowards clinging to my ankles.
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS!
Which is a ridiculous spot to be in since with just a good candidate we'd be more like 60/40.
The DNC/Obama team want to drag our the primary and so will attack Romney.
Spoken like a true GOP elitist who wants No One But Romney. The long primary doesn't hurt our candidate any more than it hurt Obama. The truth is the long primary has exposed how utterly crappy a candidate Romney is. Normally we wouldn't have found out until he went down in defeat in November. Now at least no one can say they weren't warned. And maybe next primary the voters will have learned to heed the signals better.
If over half the Republicans are voting against him, how in the world does anyone think he's going to win independents let alone soft Democrats? The only realistic shot we have to win the election is to damage Romney so badly that the party or the delegates abandon him at the convention. Unlikely but one can hold out hope that some external force like what derailed Cain shows its face a little too early now that he's seen as inevitable.
That leaves brokered convention as the last not-Romney option ... but do we want to pick our nominee and give them only 60 days? The GOP elites dont, which is why they are coming around Romney now.
LOL, NOW?! NOW?! They've been forcing this pathetic candidate on us for a year now. They and their surrogates have been out to destroy Palin, Cain, Newt, Santorum and everyone who presented a threat to their Wall Street RINO golden boy. You'll get no apology from me if something I say or do helps take Romney out. He deserves it and teaching the GOP elites a lesson is arguably more important than defeating Obama. If we lose our conservative opposition party, we've lost the country for good. A Romney win would pretty much destroy the conservative movement for a decade or more. An Obama win would only delay it 2 or 4 years.
Most of us here aren't little team-playing Republican sycophants. We're conservatives who believe in more than the "rah, rah, go team" cheerleading mentality for whatever limp, liberal loser the party sticks an "R" after their name and tries to shove down our throats. It's sheep like you who keep showing up and voting for these useless RINOs instead of having the courage to take back power from the elites and give it back to the average citizen.
I don’t agree. First, I don’t accept the comparison of Reagan to Romney. Second, Obama is beatable, but only by a Conservative. If you run Obama against Obama-lite you’ll get Obama every time. That is what happened when McCain was the Obama-lite candidate, and that is what will happen if Romney is the Obama-lite candidate.
“I suspect that Romney, or indeed any Republican candidate will handily defeat Obama”
That’s my gut feel. The Obama administration has too much going against it. As Peggy Noonan said recently, Obama’s getting creepy.
romney cannot explain with passion the Conservative ideology and lay out plans to solve America's problems using them... because he does not understand nor does he believe in them. America may elect romney... I doubt it... but he will not be any different than a run of the mill rat like clinton. Yes, a crusty white turd would be better than obama... but that is what mitt is... a crusty white turd.
Agreed. Still, a big question lingers in my mind:
Do the latter outnumber the former?
Well, at least I can hope it's the latter, because the image of "crazed" Freepers isn't a pleasant one!
(It's working!) Looks like you are almost looking forward to another 4 years of Obama. Since NOTHING is good enough for you and if it is not absolutely the way you want it, then you will make sure everybody else loses along with you.
Ann Coulter? John Boehner? Is that you?
How do you think Newt won back the House in 1994 after 40 years? He knows how to market a conservative message to independents more than anyone else out there. He speaks in plain English and explains the practical benefits of conservatism with specific examples. And at least Rick Santorum provides a clear contrast to Obama, which will inspire people to vote if they are truly unhappy with Obama's presidency. You give them Romney, who's message is he'll do the same things as Obama but he'll just do them better, and they will start doubting that Obama is that bad of a president at all. And unless they think the incumbent is truly terrible, they're not likely to take a chance replacing him with an unknown.
It's thinking like yours that brought us Romney. You "assume" independents will only vote for middling, murky moderates. Therefore you throw true conservatives under the bus and support a guy you probably don't even like much because you think you're some genius political strategist who's outsmarted everybody. Then you'll act shocked in November when you realize you weren't the only one who disliked your moderate candidate, everyone else does too.
That's why voting with your heart in the primary works. Because that's how people will be voting in November. If your vote now is based on some convoluted strategy, then it will be a poor predictor of how people vote in November because they'll be voting with their heart.
Democrats voting for our candidate is fine. Liberals not so much. We would hope we can get moderate Democrats who may disagree with us on some issues, but agree on enough of them combined with a general dissatisfaction with Obama to switch over to us. The key is we appeal to them on the issues where they're conservative and maybe convince them those issues are the most important right now. If we say we're going to back liberal policies to get Democrat votes, then why are we even wasting our time? At that point we've lived long enough to see ourselves become the villain. But there are a lot of people who are not 100% with their party and others who are just voting "D" out of habit whose votes we should court.
I am not willing to stand by and do nothing. It may be that O is guaranteed but since I live in today and not the future I will do everything I can...
And it behooves all of those who don’t like the idea of another term for O and the dims to do everything they can to prevent it
I’m not demoralized at all. I’m just certain that Romney won’t win. Luckily for me, my life is not based on political outcomes. The GOP is getting what it wants, but it’s not getting my vote as I won’t vote for evil be it Democrat or Republican.
The latest talking point is delivered to Mika. Every now and then, you can catch her looking at her blackberry/iphone while the show is on. It happened this morning at about 5:15 Central Time.
And when Obama comes for you, after this country is permanently ruined, you can keep telling yourself that your “Principles” were well worth losing it for.
Those precious “moderates” as you describe them are by definition mostly non partisan and would eschew (what the conceive to be) either a radical Lefty or Righty.
This is all about how he comes across as a candidate in the general election. If he gets the support of the Reg Republicans he will get the support of the moderates in sufficient numbers and even get a few of the Dems to hop on board. I put absolutely NO weight in those polls which claim Romney is insincere, plastic, smarmy or any of the other terms used to describe him. I believe the polls at this point are wholly manipulated to be nothing more then push polls.
Which history says you won’t have after 2014. The opposing party to the president usually wins seats in the mid-terms. Romney has proven as governor that he will bend over for a liberal legislature, if not try to “out-liberal” them if he thinks that’s where the wind is blowing. This is why we’re probably better off with him losing now. Then we can maintain gridlock against Obama, win more seats in 2014, and get a better nominee in 2016. If we get Romney now, chances are Dems will win seats in 2014 and then win back the presidency in 2016, a repeat of 2006 and 2008. Then they’ll have the mandate and the majority to pass single payer health care, cap-and-trade and do everything else they want.
If Obama wins relection there will be no country worth saving in 2016. Obama will not let gridlock stop him. Obama is not going to play by the rules in his second term when it comes to implenting his socialist agenda.