I suppose I was referring to rationale liberals who have been brainwashed and asleep. Even “conservatives” I speak to have no idea of the depth and breadth of problems with foreign policy, economic policy, etc. These are committed conservatives I speak to. They are just as asleep and vote like lemmings no differently than liberal lemmings. There are those who refuse rationale thought and debate, they are lost, move on. Some people just like to argue, having never gotten past the rebellious teen years.
If they Identify themselves as Democrats, I usualy find they are entrenched. They are the counter revolutionaries, the Marxists that want individual freedom to be extinguished. They hate George Washington, they hate America.
I have relatives that publicly state on facebook that they hate America. I know why they voted for Obama.