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Golfer hit by bullet wants S.A. shooting range changes (TX)
kens5.com ^ | 15 March, 2012 | James Muņoz

Posted on 04/04/2012 2:11:33 PM PDT by marktwain

SAN ANTONIO-- Justo Flores said many people should have known the Mission Del Lago Golf Course and the surrounding area was a zone-of-danger.

The golf course is city-owned and privately operated. It opened in 1989. The shooting range which operates within a few miles of the course opened about 35 years ago.

On March 4 Flores was hit in the chest by a stray bullet. An x-ray shows the bullet lodged in his sternum.

"I heard two whizzing by my ear," said Flores. "Looked down at my shirt and I saw smoke coming out and my buddy goes, 'Well, I think you got shot.'"

Flores said he didn't know what had happened. He and his wife are expecting their first child in July and he says he didn't want his wife going through it alone.

"It was burning...still pain and throbbing and now I've got this tingling in my hand. I never had before and I'm having trouble sleeping at night thinking about what could have happened."

Attorneys for Flores said A Place to Shoot needs to make some safety improvements. The shooting range has closed its rifle ranges by court order.

"They need to make A Place to Shoot, a safe place to shoot," said Attorney Will Allan. "He is fortunate, he is blessed that it didn't hit somewhere else. It could have been fatal and he's got a child on the way. He's married and it could have been a lot worse had he passed away due to a gunshot wound that he sustained to his chest."

Flores was only on his second visit to the golf course.

"The city, the management at the golf course and the shooting range should have seen it coming," said Flores.

Attorneys for A Place to Shoot said there is no evidence the bullet came from the shooting range.

"There's been two incidents and those two incidents have been within the last week, so I find it rather strange that in the last 20 years we've had two," said Attorney Robert Wilson.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: banglist; range; sanantonio; tx
The city wants the range shut down. The State of Texas passes a law saying the city cannot shut down ranges. The City created golf course sues the range, when someone is hit by a stray bullet of unknown provenance two miles from the range.
1 posted on 04/04/2012 2:11:50 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Looked down at my shirt and I saw smoke coming out

That is a LIE. There would be no smoke after two miles.

This guy got some quack doctor to lie for him, is my belief.

2 posted on 04/04/2012 2:14:46 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: marktwain

Shut down the Golf course. The Range was there, first.


3 posted on 04/04/2012 2:16:31 PM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: marktwain

That’s a tough course. I have a hard enough time shooting par without having to dodge bullets


4 posted on 04/04/2012 2:18:40 PM PDT by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: backwoods-engineer
That is a LIE. There would be no smoke after two miles.

The smoke was from the doobie residue in his lungs.

5 posted on 04/04/2012 2:18:40 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Over half of U.S. murders are of black people, and 90% of them are committed by other black people.)
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To: marktwain
Attorneys for A Place to Shoot said there is no evidence the bullet came from the shooting range.

Two miles is a very long way. When I saw the headlines, I assumed that they were next door.

No way that a bullet could travel that far, unless the shooter deliberately fired it at a high angle, rather than anywhere near the targets.

It should be easy enough to check out. Does the rifling on the bullet match any of the guns in use on that day? I strongly doubt it. More likely some drunken illegal or drive-by gang banger was celebrating the coming of spring by firing his weapon at random.

6 posted on 04/04/2012 2:21:48 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: marktwain
The city wants the range shut down. The State of Texas passes a law saying the city cannot shut down ranges. The City created golf course sues the range, when someone is hit by a stray bullet of unknown provenance two miles from the range.

Which means the gun-grabbing City liberals actually shot someone - presumably intending to kill him - in order to get public outrage enough to shut down the range and attack the Texas law protecting them.

You know, it surprises me that there was a time in my life that I would think such a brutal, murderous, psychopathic political strategy couldn't be true.

Now it's just obvious.

7 posted on 04/04/2012 2:22:54 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: slumber1

The tougher the course, the better the golfer.


8 posted on 04/04/2012 2:28:10 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Cicero
No way that a bullet could travel that far, unless the shooter deliberately fired it at a high angle, rather than anywhere near the targets.

Someone tell him to just take the stroke next time instead of his seventh "mulligan". He'll live longer.

9 posted on 04/04/2012 2:33:31 PM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: Jonty30

Maybe they should try this at the Masters. Water hazards, sand traps, and stray bullets. Let’s see if these pro hot shots are really as good as they think!


10 posted on 04/04/2012 2:39:47 PM PDT by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: Cicero

Std Army Range Safety Fans for 7.62mm is 5,288 m deep. About 8,000-10,000 for 50 cal armor penetrating rounds depending upon elevation and density of air.

So a M-14 with match grade ammo can tumble a round out to about 17,349ft.

Most ranges now have lead catching devices due to environmental regulations, so there really isn’t a need for impact areas deeper than the butts in more metropolitan areas.


11 posted on 04/04/2012 2:51:26 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: marktwain
There was a private gun range near my house, but they shut down a few years ago. They were just a mile from an Air Force family housing development. Never heard why they shut down but I assume some idiot launched some rounds over the berm, and put some holes in the housing. Lots of kids around the base housing areas.

We lose our rights because of a few idiots. Another place I shoot, the EPA is looking to shut it down, because of the shooters who bring junk up there, like old TV sets and washing machines, etc, to blast. Fine and dandy, but bring a garbage bag, and take your crap home with you. But they don't. The place looks like a garbage dump sometimes, and the forest rangers are stuck cleaning it up. The few slobs give the gubmint excuses to take our rights away.

12 posted on 04/04/2012 2:56:45 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: Cicero

http://www.newsoxy.com/odd/amish-teen-bullet-46314.html

It is not out of the realm of possibility.


13 posted on 04/04/2012 2:58:27 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: marktwain

Texas is a strong property rights state. Rifle Range needs to show it isn’t allowing firearms/ammo to be used which exceeds their range safety fans. Since their name implies a “Rifle Range” it would probably be prudent to show both 7.62 and 50cal rifles would be limited by the range safety fans.

It appears the golf course is just barely outside .38cal range but well within 5.56 and 7.62mm rifles ball ammo range.


14 posted on 04/04/2012 3:15:56 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: FlyVet

More interesting than the golf course is the nearby airfield. Probably uses VFR rules. Circling patterns would very likely overlay the range safety fans for even weapons with a lesser range.


15 posted on 04/04/2012 3:18:21 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: marktwain
where is the proof the bullet came from the range......maybe the foursome behind him thought he was taking a little too long (sarc)
16 posted on 04/04/2012 3:20:45 PM PDT by Kimmers (Pray more and shoot straight.........)
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To: FlyVet

It might well have been shut down for political correctness or noise complaints.


17 posted on 04/04/2012 4:21:43 PM PDT by marktwain
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It wouldn’t have been for noise complaints, because there is an AF small arms range even closer to any housing than the private range was. They stay busy, less than three miles from me, and I wake up to the sound of gunfire every morning (they do trap and skeet on the weekends). Love it.


18 posted on 04/04/2012 4:38:43 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: marktwain
What's more important, firearms proficiency or golf?

I've never understood why adults would engage in such a massive waste of time, money and resources. Really puzzles me.

19 posted on 04/04/2012 4:58:58 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper; All
What's more important, firearms proficiency or golf?

A good question, as both involve intense concentration and eye/hand coordination.

I think it is part of the overall progressive gestalt, where golfing is an *acceptable* leisure activity, but *riflery* is not.

20 posted on 04/04/2012 5:24:13 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Cicero

I do not like “A Place to Shoot” due to it’s business practices. However, I will say they have built a very safe range with sufficient berms to prevent this type of thing unless there was severe negligence on the part of the shooter.

I smell BS.

The range was there before the golf course. The Golf course knew they were going next to a range. As someone else pointed out, the range has to have safety ceilings for the airport there.

I don’t think this will stand up to expert analysis. Screw the media. They ain’t experts on much of anything


21 posted on 04/04/2012 5:39:48 PM PDT by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: FlyVet
It wouldn’t have been for noise complaints, because there is an AF small arms range even closer to any housing than the private range was. They stay busy, less than three miles from me, and I wake up to the sound of gunfire every morning (they do trap and skeet on the weekends). Love it.

You are applying logic and reason to lawsuits and zoning. They do not necessarily apply.

22 posted on 04/04/2012 6:26:04 PM PDT by marktwain
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From Decal:

Go to the range’s website to read their side of this - it won’t make pleasant reading for pro-2A types, but nobody who’s lived in SA since Chairman Julian got elected mayor will be much surprised (”Rifle Range Legal Action” under the Home link).

http://aplacetoshoot.com/


23 posted on 04/05/2012 4:52:35 AM PDT by marktwain
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