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Applications for Concealed Gun Permits Spike in Florida(semi barf)
wmfe.org ^ | 5 April, 2012 | James Call

Posted on 04/05/2012 12:17:18 PM PDT by marktwain

In 1987, Florida passed the nation’s first “shall issue” concealed carry weapons law. Nearly one million permits have been issued since then, nearly double the number in any other state. The Department of Agriculture issues the permits. Agriculture Commissioner Adam Putnam says there are currently more than 700,000 active permits. Putnam says he is not concerned that nearly one in every 20 Floridian has a license to carry a loaded gun in their car, or purse as they go about their daily business.

“The fact that over the life of the program, only168 permit holders have had their permit revoked for a gun-related crime reinforces the fact that the people who go through the trouble of applying for and receiving a CWP are not generally the ones you need to be worried about in terms of a criminal element in society.”

No state is second to Florida when it comes to embracing second amendment rights. Lawmakers’ enthusiasm for gun rights is such that the Tampa Bay Times referred to Florida as the “Gunshine State.” The legislature has given birth to laws such as “Stand Your Ground,” which the recent death of an unarmed teenager highlights, “Bring Your Gun to Work,” which the Disney Corporation opposed and a complete ban on local gun restrictions which handcuffs city and county governments ability to respond to citizens’ complaints.

Unlike other states that allow police to deny applications based on personal character and arrest history, Florida is a so called “Shall Issue” state, which means almost anyone who hasn’t been convicted of a violent crime can qualify for a weapons license. The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services can only suspend someone’s license when they are charged with a crime and the department can only revoke someone’s license when they are convicted of that crime.

Two years ago, Agriculture Commissioner Adam Putnam says, there was a spike in the number of permit applications. Now he says that spike has become a sustained high demand. He responded by hiring 46 full time employees and opening eight regional offices to process applications. Last week he opened an office in Walton County. The first applicant through the door was a military serviceman. Putnam says fear drives some people to seek a concealed weapon permit. But he adds Florida has a high number of military veterans and sportsmen, people who tend to have an affectionate attachment to guns. Putnam says some people pay for a permit in order to be legal. “They just want to eliminate any ambiguity about carrying one in their vehicle and making sure they don’t have to think through some judicial standard that is pretty unclear. The old three step rule, is it okay that it is in my car in the glove compartment but the glove compartment is not locked? And if it is in the gun department can it be loaded? The CWP eliminates all of those concerns that historically were there before the CWP law came into existence.”

The Violent Policy Center, a gun control group, found that between 2007 and 2009 concealed carry permit holders killed 117 people in the United States.

A Florida State University study found that guns are used defensively to stop a crime, from simple assault to rape, 2.5 million times a year.

In Florida, the concealed weapon law is so popular that the trust fund the permit fee supports has a surplus and the 2012 legislature cut the fee from $85 to $70.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; fl; spike
I added some paragraph breaks. Audio at the link.

As someone from Arizona, I object to the statement "No state is second to Florida when it comes to embracing second amendment rights."

Arizona is far superior to Florida in our support of the Second Amendment. Arizona has Constitutional carry, where no permit is required for either concealed carry or for open carry. Florida still bans the open carry of firearms.

Still, I have hopes that Florida will strive diligently to rise to Arizona's level.

1 posted on 04/05/2012 12:17:21 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I’d say the spike came about three years ago, not two. That’s when I got my permit. The class was packed to the rafters and it took almost a month longer than the time allowed by law to get to me. Go figure; I took my class right about when Obama was sworn in.

My concealed carry permit arrived about a week after my baby did. I don’t carry because I’m afraid or violent: I carry because I have a God-given duty to protect my child.


2 posted on 04/05/2012 12:22:08 PM PDT by JenB
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To: marktwain
“The fact that over the life of the program, only 168 permit holders have had their permit revoked for a gun-related crime reinforces the fact that the people who go through the trouble of applying for and receiving a CWP are not generally the ones you need to be worried about in terms of a criminal element in society.”

So, 168 out of 700,000? Next to none. Then, define "gun crime".

To have this become law, they had to add a clause that they would track ALL permit holders for crimes committed, and not just those with a gun, from the beginning. The cost was upwards of 10 million dollars a year to do so.

What they found was that less than 1/1000th of a percent broke ANY laws. After 10 years, this reporting was stopped.

My numbers may be slightly off, and perhaps some Florida FReepers can add to this, but the numbers were ridiculously low.

3 posted on 04/05/2012 12:24:34 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: marktwain

What the Fluke does the Dept of Agriculture have to do with regulating CCW permits?


4 posted on 04/05/2012 12:28:44 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks

They forgot to duck.


5 posted on 04/05/2012 12:32:47 PM PDT by Sigurdrifta
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To: marktwain

An unintended consequence, not foreseen by the lynch mob.


6 posted on 04/05/2012 12:34:54 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

they employ all fish and game officers...fish and game officers have jurisdiction anywhere in the state vs police officers.....


7 posted on 04/05/2012 12:36:21 PM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Cuz the bad guys are planted 6 feet under?
8 posted on 04/05/2012 12:37:54 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Sigurdrifta

Florida at least is a shall issue state regardless if they have a funny way regulating it.


9 posted on 04/05/2012 12:38:56 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Puppage

That’s a .024% revocation rate. Not six sigma, but good enough for government process purposes.


10 posted on 04/05/2012 12:47:24 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: tatsinfla

I guess that makes sense. Kinda.

I never thought of DNR officers as having the same resources as police.


11 posted on 04/05/2012 12:52:15 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks; All
The Department of Agriculture makes sense because they do not have a horse in the race, so to speak. In the early days of CCW, the political heads of many state police agencies were adamantly opposed to it.

You do not want an agency adamantly opposed to an action to be the one that grants permits for that action. When you do that, you get things like the ATF and the EPA.

In Arizona, the DPS runs the permitting process. They followed the rules, but any slightly gray area was ruled against permissive CCW. Eventually someone headed up the CCW shop that realized what a spectacular moneymaker for the state it could be, but by then it was too late. They had pulled enough bonehead stunts that the reaction resulted in Arizona passing constitutional carry and loosening up the rules from the legislature.

12 posted on 04/05/2012 12:56:34 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Clint N. Suhks

IN FLA they have total jurisdiction....seems strange but that is the way it is....


13 posted on 04/05/2012 1:04:41 PM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: Clint N. Suhks
What the Fluke does the Dept of Agriculture have to do with regulating CCW permits?

Better them then some agency with an agenda against guns.

Besides, up until a few years ago the guy in charge of the Dept of Agriculture's name was Charles Bronson. So everyone's carry permit was signed by Charles Bronson. :-)

14 posted on 04/05/2012 1:07:57 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The Democrat Ku Klux Klan is alive and well as the New Black Panthers, CBC and the NAACP)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Our fish and wildlife officers have more resources than anyone, equipment wise. And there are many agencies that have statewide jurisdiction including campus police.


15 posted on 04/05/2012 1:15:58 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: marktwain

I have my FL CCW and I live in VA.


16 posted on 04/05/2012 1:42:17 PM PDT by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
marktwain comments that Florida, not currently allowing open carry, is behind Arizona in gun rights. I'd have to agree.

Another bit about Arizona is that you can own anything short of a howitzer and there are public lands available where you can shoot it. In Florida, if you don't own land or know someone who does, you are basically SOL.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

17 posted on 04/05/2012 1:47:40 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: marktwain
nearly one in every 20 Floridian has a license to carry a loaded gun in their car, or purse as they go about their daily business.

This shows what they know. In the state of FL you don't need a license to have a loaded gun in your car. Unlike many states you can be cocked and locked in the glove box with no paperwork.
18 posted on 04/05/2012 1:56:01 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: bmwcyle
I have my FL CCW and I live in VA.

Good point. LOTS of people have FL no-res permits. I had one for years before I moved here. I wonder it the article's numbers take that into account.
19 posted on 04/05/2012 1:58:24 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: marktwain

For perspective it would be nice of the liberal media to also report how many criminals killed people during this 2007_2009 period to see which group really is the real threat to society.

Can’t report the truth, though, right liberal media?


20 posted on 04/05/2012 6:01:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Joe Brower

I’m pretty sure they have shooting ranges in Fl.


21 posted on 04/05/2012 11:02:36 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51
> I’m pretty sure they have shooting ranges in Fl.

Of course they do. However, ranges aren't what I'm talking about, as you probably already know.

22 posted on 04/06/2012 3:24:35 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: VeniVidiVici

LOL! That’s great!


23 posted on 04/06/2012 4:11:30 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: VeniVidiVici

“Besides, up until a few years ago the guy in charge of the Dept of Agriculture’s name was Charles Bronson. So everyone’s carry permit was signed by Charles Bronson.”

That is seriously cool, and should have set precedent for each office holder afterwards to also assume the name. LOL


24 posted on 04/06/2012 11:18:16 AM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: Titan Magroyne
Wild, isn't it? Here it is (not me):


25 posted on 04/06/2012 5:35:25 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The Democrat Ku Klux Klan is alive and well as the New Black Panthers, CBC and the NAACP)
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To: Puppage
So, 168 out of 700,000? Next to none. Then, define "gun crime".

1) That's 168 over 25 years ("the life of the program", from 1987 to present), or an average of 7 per year. Compared to 700K current permit holders, that's an insignificant percentage.

2) "Gun crime" is likely defined as any offense involving a gun, and which would include carrying a gun into a restricted area, etc.

3) If there were any significant number of real crimes involving CCW holders, the papers would have a rogues gallery of CCW mug shots to accompany each new crime involving a CCW.

26 posted on 04/06/2012 5:43:49 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Heh, thanks for posting.

I suppose I’d have one just like that if I’d sent off the paperwork as soon as I got it from FL (out-of-stater). I just couldn’t make myself pull thr trigger (so to speak) to seek gov’t permission to exercise a Constitutional right. A local LEO here would prolly think it’s a joke with Charles Bronson’s name on it, but still - had I known, it mighta been worth it just to get the “endorsement”... LOL


27 posted on 04/07/2012 2:07:44 AM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Agree on all points.


28 posted on 04/07/2012 5:15:32 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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