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Smaller Navy Ship Has a Rocky Past and Key Support
The New York Times ^ | April 5, 2012 | ELISABETH BUMILLER

Posted on 04/05/2012 8:57:15 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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To: gandalftb

You are talking about the Mod 1 version of the weapon which is manually operated. We also now have the Mod 2 version, the auto fire (remote controlled) version of these weapons too. Did you ever work with any of them?

Mod 2 is a stabilized, remote control version with electro-optic fire control system and auto-tracking capability.
 
Mk-38 mods 1 and 2
http://www.seaforces.org/wpnsys/SURFACE/Mk-38-machine-gun-system.htm


41 posted on 04/07/2012 11:38:22 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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The Mod 2 evidently hasn’t made it to the fleet that I know of. I wasn’t on the gun crew, just an observer. The BHR was drydocked for upgrades after my deployment and I was onboard afterwards and the MK 38’s were the same.

On the BHR, a front row fighting ship with a MEU onboard, there is only 3 50’s, two MK 38’s and a Phalanx on the stern, on each side. No way they’re going to handle more than 10-15 approaching fast boats.

Only one has to get through.....

How would the new fire controls deal with waves and water curtains caused by rockets? The Phalanx has optic and radar fire control and was firing way too low or high on the target until they shut it down.

I know the Phalanx has sweet fire control as it tracks the ship to shore boats in port at Singapore, gave those boats the creeps. But that is all calm water.

How would optics work at night, rain, big water?


42 posted on 04/09/2012 5:37:47 PM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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The mod two is out in the fleet already. Not very mod 1 has been replaced yet, but the Ticos, many of the Burkes, the wasps, and others have been refitted, updated.

Those optics use numerous sensors, one of which is surely a cooled or uncooked thermal sensor which works well in fog, rain, heavy weather, etc. Laser sensors as well are used which also can work in the same to a degree,

My guess is that there are also provisions for radar tacking to a point, but I am not sure on that.

The following US Navy site indicates that mod 2 began deploying in 2005 and that 166 units had been deployed aboard vessels as of 2011.

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2100&tid=500&ct=2


43 posted on 04/10/2012 12:11:31 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for the link.

It says: “MK 38 Mod 1s are maintained in a rotatable pool for temporary installation aboard deployed ships.”

Temporary installation? They list the primary upgrades to, among others, the LHD class.

Well, the BHR is LHD 6, a forward deployed carrier with a MEU. You can’t get closer to the enemy than the BHR did.

Why wouldn’t they upgrade during drydock? They say one thing and are doing another. The BHR will be deployed again late this year.


44 posted on 04/10/2012 8:16:57 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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I would agree on thermal sensors, they are amazing and give very crispy images. Night or day, rain or shine, 1,000 yards + great technology.


45 posted on 04/10/2012 8:19:36 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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In my agency we use them for surveillance...military grade. Detect at 5 km, recognize at 2 km, and ID at 1 km. Night, day, rain, shine.

These are uncooled. The cooled variety would double all those ranges...but 3X + on the price and not necessary for us.

I know they are adding laser to the MK-38, and would not be surprised if there was not radar control from their local surface, and maybe air radar...but not sure about it.


46 posted on 04/10/2012 7:17:37 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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I field tested a new hand-held thermal imager and was very impressed. I could easily see the differences in size of a 5.56 over a 7.62 round, carried in pockets, at night. up to about 20 feet away.

Very crispy image targeting up to 300 yards at night, in the rain, easy to see if weapons or explosives were being carried under blankets, whatever.


47 posted on 04/11/2012 2:21:39 PM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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