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Germany to impose tax on the young to help the old
London Telegraph ^ | April 4, 2012 | Bruno Waterfield

Posted on 04/06/2012 5:22:49 AM PDT by C19fan

Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats have drafted proposals forcing all those over the age of 25 to pay a proportion of their income to cushion Germany against a looming population crisis. The German Chancellor's ruling party is seeking extra sources of cash to pay for soaring pensions and bills for social care costs at a time when Germany's "baby boomer" generation is ageing amid a decline in the birth rate.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Germany; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: countdowntowar; germany
Baby boomers = locusts. ObamaCare is the same thing. The young are forced to pay much higher insurance premiums to subsidize care for the geezers.
1 posted on 04/06/2012 5:22:52 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

This is such a bad idea I don’t even know where to begin. Given the cost of raising children, seems like adding more taxes will only exacerbate the already low birth rate.

Except for all those Muslims on the dole, that is.


2 posted on 04/06/2012 5:26:06 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: C19fan
Baby boomers = locusts...

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I love it when the kids get to play with daddy's computer...they write the funniest things.

3 posted on 04/06/2012 5:26:59 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: rbg81

Exactly. Looks like junior will be living in the basement when the gov’t takes half of his income to support the grandma/parents on the upper floors.


4 posted on 04/06/2012 5:27:53 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

and who paid off the mortgage on the basement?


5 posted on 04/06/2012 5:30:15 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: C19fan

World War II is over. The Nazis won.


6 posted on 04/06/2012 5:31:27 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: C19fan
The young are forced to pay much higher insurance premiums to subsidize care for the geezers.

Don't worry, the Obamacare death panels will take of that problem so you cellar dwellers won't be unnecessarily burdened by those useless swarms of geezers.

7 posted on 04/06/2012 5:38:36 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Fresh Wind

The subsidy is for government bow wows.
They can’t be fired...


8 posted on 04/06/2012 5:40:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: C19fan

Gotta love it. The Baby Boomers WIPE OUT the solvency of their own countries with massive debt, and then start going after anything that moves to pay their retirement.

Don’t be surprised if there’s an age-war in this country - as my kids DO NOT appreciate the $100,000 or so debt hanging around their necks, already.


9 posted on 04/06/2012 5:46:10 AM PDT by BobL
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To: C19fan

I predicted this many posts ago.

Their version of Phony-Care,

Federal Forced Labor Camp.


10 posted on 04/06/2012 5:46:33 AM PDT by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: Varsity Flight

Notice the age exempt under 25, sound familiar?


11 posted on 04/06/2012 5:54:55 AM PDT by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Low birth rate, aging non productive population, desperate taxation schemes to support unaffordable living standards. This is the national equivalent of a going out of business sale. Happening all over Europe. The Europeans can never recover from the cumulative genetic losses between 1914-1945. Similar dynamic in Japan, only worse. Would be interesting if the Japanese start borrowing from China to finance their life style as they age and become less productive. If they can’t pay, it would be a bitter irony to see the Peoples army sent to Japan to collect debts about 100 years after the atrocities of WW II. The future belongs to the fertile.


12 posted on 04/06/2012 5:55:28 AM PDT by allendale
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
World War II is over. The Nazis won.

It's more accurate to say...."the Cold War is over,the Communists won".

13 posted on 04/06/2012 5:55:28 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Jimmy Carter Is No Longer The Worst President To Have Served In My Lifetime.)
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To: C19fan

Obamacare has a solution for that - IPAB.

They’ll just off the old geezers to reduce the “burden” on the healthcare system.


14 posted on 04/06/2012 5:56:56 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: C19fan

And you thought all that .40 was just for us?


15 posted on 04/06/2012 5:57:35 AM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: Varsity Flight
Notice the age exempt under 25, sound familiar?

Yeah, I did but I don't think they made the net small enough. If you look around Occupy movement, it seems the average age for this idiocy is probably a little higher. That's what caught my attention when the "movement" started -- there were older 20s and 30s in there.

I don't know why the 147 people in Europe who actually work even bother. Hell, I am starting to wonder why any of us bother --

16 posted on 04/06/2012 6:02:19 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: allendale
"The future belongs to the fertile."

Well said, Al. The Spartans would be proud of you.

17 posted on 04/06/2012 6:03:43 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The way of the Left is conformity--ruthlessly enforced conformity.)
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To: Varsity Flight

And I repeat,

When the Phony-Care 101 in the U.S., is declared unconstitutional, Mandate-Fascist 201, will be declared a “must” (too many bribes to the Undocumented Fake in office).

Mandate-Mitt has full backing of the Hillary support.


18 posted on 04/06/2012 6:03:43 AM PDT by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: allendale

Al, note tagline. I hope you don’t mind. ~S


19 posted on 04/06/2012 6:05:40 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("The future belongs to the fertile." -Allendale)
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To: C19fan

If they are seeing a decline in population it is due to their own policies of abortion and the destruction of the family and morality. Let them pay the price for their evil as a warning to future and current generations.


20 posted on 04/06/2012 6:13:44 AM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: C19fan

Socialism is the idea that we can live at the expense of others. I hope all the young socialists are just elated at their opportunity to help older socialists enjoy their free nursing home care and vacations in Greece.


21 posted on 04/06/2012 6:26:12 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: C19fan

“I’m old.....Gimme Gimme Gimme” - Abe Simpson.


22 posted on 04/06/2012 6:29:54 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: theBuckwheat

A few years ago I was in Germany to attend a meeting. I met a woman who was a manager for an auto parts company. She quickly told me that she could never work in the US because the government gave her “free health care and four weeks of vacation”. By reflex I said, no they don’t. She said, well yes they do. I asked, do you realize that every week of vacation costs you 2% of your takehome pay. She said, no it doesn’t. By that time, I had recovered my civility and knew to shut up because socialists are such true believers in the benefits of living at the expense of others.


23 posted on 04/06/2012 6:30:04 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: allendale

While two world wars didn’t help, that’s not the reason Germans aren’t reproducing now. Germany lost a few million men in WWI but had no problem fielding an army in WWII.


24 posted on 04/06/2012 6:30:19 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Under the Nazis, the old were drafted into the Volkssturm.


25 posted on 04/06/2012 6:33:04 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: theBuckwheat
Good thing you stopped talking. Let her stay in her Utopia.
There was a guy from England working at the same company I was back in the '90s. He was planning on getting dual citizenship, he loved clinton and was probably a communist. Good thing he went back to England.
26 posted on 04/06/2012 6:42:20 AM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: C19fan

This is a complete non problem. After the coming war in Europe, no one will even remember the question was raised.


27 posted on 04/06/2012 7:26:13 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Savage Beast

Alas poor Sparta. Awsome fighters, but turning to homosexuality lowered their numbers to an unsustainable level.


28 posted on 04/06/2012 7:32:34 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: rbg81

Sounds like our Social Security.


29 posted on 04/06/2012 7:44:40 AM PDT by bgill
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To: theBuckwheat

I think the standard is 6 weeks. We lived over there for a couple of years and my husband worked for a company that only offered five. He had someone turn down a job because it wasn’t the 6 weeks and just five.


30 posted on 04/06/2012 7:47:25 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: C19fan

If there is to be a return to common sense, without screwing over a huge number of people, government will indeed have to “take the hit”. But importantly, *not* the people, via the government, but the government itself.

For example, in the US, Social Security was a nasty effort to create a universal retirement system. A truly bad idea, that might have worked for a limited part of the population who paid their own way: minimum wage workers with no other form of retirement. That’s it.

But adding other people to it, and using it as a “loot as you go” cash cow for unrelated spending, guaranteed it would fail. So how do we get rid of this monster without screwing the people who paid into it?

The answer is, “with a better deal”.

Right now, income taxes are also an unwieldy monster, full of exemptions and other crapola that require accountants. But if the vast majority of those exemptions were canceled, and re-offered in exchange for *not* taking Social Security checks, it would be a much better deal for many, and it would restore order to a much downgraded SS system.

Proposals that there be a “means test” were killed dead because it was inherently unfair. People who paid into the system would get shafted.

But if people who still had income had a choice between getting their SS check, *or* saving even more money through tax exemptions worth more than their SS check, many would wisely vie for the exemptions. And it would be *their* choice. Many would not choose this, because they really needed their SS money.

So a minimum number of people get screwed in the deal.

And while this would cause a big drop in tax revenues for the government, this could be made up for both with government austerity of *their* spending, *and* the improvement to the economy of more cash floating around for consumers to spend or invest.

Soon the program would be expanded to include the people still working who are not getting SS. Instead of going to SS, their money would go to an IRA, but with added tax benefits. Still a better deal for them.

Finally, those just starting out, except minimum wage employees, would never start paying into the SS system in the first place. The end result would be an SS system at a tenth of its current size.


31 posted on 04/06/2012 7:53:34 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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To: MrEdd

Yes. But homosexuality was only part of it. In defining themselves as racially pure Spartiates they doomed themselves to extinction.


32 posted on 04/06/2012 8:05:22 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("The future belongs to the fertile." -Allendale)
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To: MrEdd

Yes. But homosexuality was only part of it. In defining themselves as racially pure Spartiates they doomed themselves to extinction.


33 posted on 04/06/2012 8:05:22 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("The future belongs to the fertile." -Allendale)
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To: C19fan

Yes. I am a baby-boomer, but have to say that I have always detested this demographic as a group. High maintenance, low benefit, scant contributions of any positive accomplishments. Dependants first on their parents, and now on their latch-key kids. It is my intention to live to 120 just to make sure they are all dead when I go.


34 posted on 04/06/2012 9:41:31 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to support Willard. He is what he is.)
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