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DHS Massive Police State Tac Gear Buildup
The Intel Hub ^ | April 4, 2012 | The Intel Hub

Posted on 04/06/2012 9:48:44 AM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui

The Department of Homeland Security has made news in the past few weeks with the revelations that they have purchased up to 650 million rounds of .40 caliber hollow point ammunition.

Now, despite ignoring requests as to why they need that much ammo, they have moved forward and purchased an unknown amount of bullet resistant booths to possibly be stationed at unannounced checkpoints throughout the country.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; 40caliber; ammunition; banglist; civilianarmy; cnsf; cw2; dhs; policestate
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To: An American!

Gracias para el linko. It’s all getting a bit too real, isn’t it?


51 posted on 04/06/2012 6:28:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Ajnin; Joe Brower; Squantos

Do you guys shoot “buck a bullet” high-tech frangible hollowpoints at the range for requal?

If so, can you explain to me why, instead of shooting 20 cents a pop FMJ range blammo?

I’m not buying it, sorry. This is not a contract for blammo, this is for serious expensive bad-ass defensive ammo.

The kind you don’t pop off 200 at a time at the range.

Unless you are telling me that Uncle Sam just always pisses away our money like that.


52 posted on 04/06/2012 6:32:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: TLI

I bet a fully loaded dump truck would wreak havoc on one of those things.


53 posted on 04/06/2012 6:36:04 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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To: Travis McGee

We use frangable ball in the shoot house because it’s so called “lead free” and “green” versus evil lead or copper washed lead. Also use frangable ball on steel plates up close indoors or outdoors.

Not frangable hollow points..... hell never have seen a frangable hollow point in the local inventory .

Carry here is 147gr OSM 9mm or 125gr GDHP speer 357SIG.


54 posted on 04/06/2012 6:52:14 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos
I've seen these describe elsewhere as being maximized for their terminal effects, not for turning to dust on steel targets.

And anyway, even if it was frangible range quality ammo, I don't want every swinging dick in the DHS training up to SWAT/CQB standards, which is when you use the frangible training ammo. FMJ blammo is all that 95% of those guys need for qualifying at the square range against paper targets.

I do NOT want the EPA, Fish and Wildlife and IRS all practicing CQB to use against.....who? Who?

Anyway, I'm not buying that 450 million frangible HP defensive ammo were all bought for “routine training.” I'm not buying that at all.

The conclusion I reach is that Obama/Holder, in their deluded Marxist minds, are preparing for their “civlian army” to go to war against the bitter clingers, who are just not going to get with the program.

I hope the “troops” in the various FLEAs don't go along with Obama’s “program,” or is that “pogrom?”

55 posted on 04/06/2012 7:15:54 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Agree of course. Crazy day’s..... This punk Mitt is just as bad as Erkel Mugabe IMO. Gonna have to try and take senate and house to counter the comming sh*t storm on the horizon. White House is a no win situation from my view here in the cheap seats.

Stay safe !


56 posted on 04/06/2012 7:49:30 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Travis McGee
If you don't buy it, you don't buy it. I don't know what else to say. I guess I could upload video of us actually loading Federal, .40 cal 180 grain hollow points and Speer, Gold Dot/LE .223 into weapons and shooting the ammo at quals. I don't want to give the impression that DHS isn't a problem. It's a huge problem, but not in the way many here think it is. The idea that DHS is gearing up for some kind of mass assualt on the populace would require some kind of martial prowess and spirit which is being throttled to death by the commies in DC.

Today I finished a required training course entitled Diversity and Inclusiveness. I don't see how ordering everybody in DHS to be a pansy jives with military style ops against the populace.

57 posted on 04/06/2012 9:09:27 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Travis McGee

Besides the Herculean effort by DC to turn DHS into a bunch of pillow biting gerbil burglars, we hire and retain people that are literally handicapped. The idea of DHS launching some kind of martial oppression against a determined and resolute populace makes me laugh.


58 posted on 04/06/2012 9:27:22 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Ajnin; Squantos; Joe Brower; CodeToad

Okay, I didn’t realize that DHS blasts away “buck a bullet” defensive ammo on ranges to requal. This is a huge waste of money, wouldn’t you agree? Is it too complicated to have two categories of ammo, say, “range ammo-cheap,” and “tactical ammo, expensive?”

As far as DHS being used against the people, it’s not a matter of what you or “the troops” think or feel. It’s a matter of what Obama/Holder etc think or feel. Your feelings on the matter don’t mean anything, you don’t make policy.

Now, would Obama and Holder maybe run into a huge problem with the troops if they ordered them to begin, for example, random highway checkpoints? Yes. Will that stop Obama/Holder from initiating such plans? I don’t know.

But remember, Obama’s mentor and ghost writer is Bill Ayers, and you know about another fed agent, undercover, who recorded Ayers and his WU pals, when they said as many as 25 million bitter clingers would have to be killed? They were not going to be killed by space aliens, but FLEAs. You might thinki it’s absurd and a joke. Shoot, most soldiers and police in Germany in 1932 probably thought Hitler was a joke with his fevered imagination.

But it wasn’t a joke. Ayeras, Obama and Holder are not joking either. And with “Fast and Furious,” they have already proven that mass murder is just one more option to utilize to accomplish a political end result. We have already crossed the mass-murder Rubicon, that river is behind us now, not in front.

So please don’t wonder why we are worried about 450 million rounds of frangible anti-personnel .40 ammo have been ordered. Maybe in your world, buck-a-bullet defensive ammo is used to punch paper in requals. In my world, buck-a-bullet defensive ammo is saved to use against people, outside of a little function testing.


59 posted on 04/07/2012 4:45:11 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

I understand the concern about the the ammo. But there are things that in my opinion are much more insidious. Obama and his minions are afraid of us. They know we will make short work of them in open violent confrontation. That is why they are never going to do us the favor of creating some galvanizing event. Instead they are going to continue to use our respect for the rule of law against us. When doctors deny conservatives medical care, are we going to shoot the doctors? When banks refuse to lend conservatives money are going to shoot the bankers? There is always going to be this modicum of plausible deniability that prevents conservatives from doing anything at least violently. Conservatives need to be just as enthusiastic about activism as they are about guns. If we dont’ push back politically we will all be sitting on a pile of guns with no freedom.


60 posted on 04/07/2012 9:40:22 AM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Ajnin
There is always going to be this modicum of plausible deniability that prevents conservatives from doing anything at least violently.

This can't be emphasized enough. It must be remembered that if you ask someone to leave your property and they fail to comply, you are thereby under assault and need to treat the offender as such.

That tactic is SOP for these people.

Remember Janet Reno "taking responsibility" for the Branch Davidian Massacre?

I don't recall any offer to resign along with that admission.

61 posted on 04/07/2012 10:06:31 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Travis McGee

There exists the idea of shooting at quals what you carry, so I fully expect the DHS will shoot buck-a-rounds. However, 450 million rounds? Even over a few years that’s a lot of ammo.


62 posted on 04/07/2012 12:31:01 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Travis McGee

“The kind you don’t pop off 200 at a time at the range. Unless you are telling me that Uncle Sam just always pisses away our money like that.”

Um...I do and I know they do, too. I only load Speer Gold Dot versus FMJ for various calibers. Even when handloading the ammo is about 40 cents a around versus $1.35-$1.50 on average. The bullets may come a little cheaper in FMJ but not by much. I get Speer Gold Dots at about $11-$14/100, but even a decent FMJ is $9-$12/100. It is difficult to save much more than that. About 10 years ago Gold Dots were $8/100 and FMJ were $5/100, but that has since changed. Everyone in the supply chain is trying to squeeze profits out of every step and component.

I’ll load around 30,000 rounds this year and shoot about half of it. Sometime next Spring, I’ll load more. Throughout the year I look for deals on components but the pickings are slim. I practically bought out the Internet of Speer 44 cal 270gr DeepCurl and I only got 800 bullets. It simply disappears that fast. People are buying everything that can and manufacturers are making more than ever. I have friends in various companies and they have installed loads of new equipment and run the machines days and night. Between all the foreign wars, the FLEO/LEO communities, and private purchases, there simply isn’t enough to go around right now and that is keeping prices of everything high.


63 posted on 04/07/2012 12:43:47 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Ajnin

“The idea of DHS launching some kind of martial oppression against a determined and resolute populace makes me laugh.”

Those nearly exact words were said of what the TSA is doing now; strip searches to get on airplanes. Back in the 80’s there was this “nutty idea” conspiracy theorists had that the government would take on airport security and mandate strip searches.

There was also this “nutty idea” that something like the TSA would try to perform roadblocks and railroad station searches, oh, and search high schools and court houses, too. Well, they are doing it and will be doing more of it as time goes by.


64 posted on 04/07/2012 12:56:08 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Travis McGee; Ajnin; Squantos; CodeToad
I probably know the least of anyone here, but here's my two bits:

As far as the government wasting money, heck, that's SOP from what I've seen over the years.

I forget who got this huge ammo order (ATK?), but maybe they made DHS a helluva deal. Buy in bulk, and maybe those buck-a-bullet rounds aren't a buck a bullet. I have also read where as more and more guv agencies are moving to frangible, from the military on down. Supposedly this partially explains why there is so much Federal M855 to be had right now -- and price is no object when saving the planet (by shooting it up $;-).

Given the number of people Ajnin mentions along with the 5-year time frame for this allotment, and I can see 450,000,000 can get gobbled up. One also has to wonder how much of this will end up in someone's personal stash.

That said, would the current administration, given the right circumstances, be happy to dump as much of this into us bitter clingers as they could get away with? I have no doubt. But that's the rub -- they can't pull it off without putting too much of their own skins in the game. I have no doubt what powerful cretins like Obama and Holder would like to do, but as long as there exists too much potential for "loss of unit cohesion" and other little ugly unpredictables like that, they can't. They might get a pinkie-nail broken; too high a price for these cowards to pay. Ya just have to keep in their heads enough of that nagging doubt.

And so the balance of power is maintained. We live in interesting times.

Stay safe, everyone.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

65 posted on 04/07/2012 1:13:05 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Travis McGee

What concerns me even more than the ammo is the govts control over the media, the ability to shut down the internet and without a Radio Free America, if the SHTF how will patriots communicate without the domestic enemies hearing and reading all communications?

Smoke signals? windtalkers? They can decrypt most anything... How can an effective defense be mounted without communication? Are we going back to carrier pigeons?
What is the govts purchase order for bird shot?

Civil War II? Instead of Blue vs Gray, Blue vs Red States?

What revolution has suceeded without outside help?
Who can patriots count on ? France? Russia? Germany? Mexico?


66 posted on 04/07/2012 1:46:43 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: CodeToad

I don’t doubt that DHS could morph into something more evil. In fact it most likely will. The point I’m trying to make here is that we are missing a lot of what is going on by focusing on something that it mundane and business as usual.


67 posted on 04/07/2012 3:07:08 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Ajnin

I agree with your statement. The point that goes with that is, wow, 450 million rounds of ammo? What has our government become when it can consume that much ammo? How have we let this beast become so large, with so many employees, that it can consume 450 million rounds of ammo in just a few years? Granted, 450 million rounds doesn’t mean that it intends to use it on us, it simple shoots that much for qualifications, but we have so many employees under arms that it actually needs that much ammo for recurring qualifications. Wow. Just wow.


68 posted on 04/07/2012 4:31:02 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: CodeToad; Travis McGee

You make a very good point. Travis brought this up on an earlier thread. A few days ago I looked up how many people are in DHS and it blew my mind to see that there are nearly 200k just in DHS! This is something that needs to be picked apart by us patriots. I’m going to post a thread on my observations within DHS shortly.


69 posted on 04/07/2012 6:26:30 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Ajnin

That’s very true, and a point about Obamacare that is almost totally missed.

Who is going to openly defy the regime, when it is the regime’s minions who will have the final say on if your sick daughter or mother gets an expensive operation?

“Sorry, but the review panel has decided this operation is not for you. Next case. Move along. They will give you your pain pills on the way out.”


70 posted on 04/08/2012 6:18:24 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Joe Brower

Very interesting times. Fast and Furious proves to me that Obama/Holder have no qualms about using mass murder as a political tool....if they can get away with it.

So far, they are getting away with it. If Obama wins in November, and gets four more years, while the F&F investigations go nowhere, then they will take the gloves off.


71 posted on 04/08/2012 6:23:52 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Ajnin

I’d like to know exactly how many feds (DHS and all of the rest of the .govs) are authorized to carry weapons.

At what point can it be said we finally have what our founding fathers warned us against, a national police force?


72 posted on 04/08/2012 6:26:54 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

The Department of Education’s got a SWAT team, ferchrissakes.

Recall a year or two they put out an RFP for a number of shotguns of a particular model for “compatibility with existing inventory”.


73 posted on 04/08/2012 6:56:08 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee

“If Obama wins in November, and gets four more years, while the F&F investigations go nowhere, then they will take the gloves off.”

Desperate animals are the most dangerous. I said when Zero was elected that the Marxists see this as their one chance and will do what it takes. I am surprised they didn’t move on their desires already and not wait until a re-election.


74 posted on 04/08/2012 7:08:08 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Nebr FAL owner

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

Trebuchat and ballista’s are a fire once and then loose it when the drone takes it out. If you can get it set up without IR detection.


75 posted on 04/08/2012 7:15:15 AM PDT by BallandPowder
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

BFLR


76 posted on 04/08/2012 7:58:31 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

Bump!!


77 posted on 04/09/2012 8:04:03 AM PDT by Perseverando (Keywords are our friends ! Let's use them.)
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To: niteowl77
The official auxiliary of the U.S. Air Force is Civil Air Patrol.

They're getting fit and ready to take over!


78 posted on 04/09/2012 9:30:30 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (The government, by its very nature, cannot give except what it first takes.)
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To: rolling_stone

>They can decrypt most anything...

That’s more hype than anything.

Consider a book-cypher (where the message is encrypted by page/paragraph/sentence/word combinations), for this method you get Aw*Nb combinations where Aw is the average # words per book, and Nb is the number of books. The result is an astounding number of combinations.


79 posted on 04/09/2012 5:07:10 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Yollopoliuhqui
The Department of Homeland Security has made news in the past few weeks with the revelations that they have purchased up to 650 million rounds of .40 caliber hollow point ammunition.

Now, despite ignoring requests as to why they need that much ammo,


80 posted on 04/09/2012 5:50:08 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

Seen the Hunger Games yet??? It’s Obama’s vision of America.

Like flammable and inflammable, Obama thinks dystopia and utopia mean the same thing.


81 posted on 04/09/2012 5:57:53 PM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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