"Yep, VSA is complete rubbish."
Posted on 04/06/2012 2:53:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
George Zimmerman's defense team is growing, suggesting that he's planning for a grand jury indictment and a subsequent criminal trial. Interestingly, his new attorney has begun releasing some previously unknown facts.
Did you know that, on the night of Trayvon Martin's death, Sanford police gave George Zimmerman a voice stress test?
They did, and the results probably contributed to his release.
A voice stress test is like a polygraph, but instead of measuring heart rate and blood pressure, it looks for changes in an individual's voice patterns that are thought to suggest psychological stress. With the help of software, investigators record a suspect answering baseline questions and then compare them to answers about the case.
This technology is not unique to Sanford. The National Institute for Truth Verification, a manufacturer of the technology, claims that over 1,800 local, state and federal law enforcement agencies use their product. They also claim to have trained U.S. Military personnel....
(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...
Lawyers mentioned this on Hannity show the other night. Glad it’s making MSM. Hope they continue to release positive comments drip by drip.
After the thug broke his nose?
Did you know that, on the night of Trayvon Martin’s death, Sanford police gave George Zimmerman a voice stress test?
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That dude has more trust and faith in the police than I do. I would never have done such.
Somebody here at FR pointed out Zimmerman even wiped his feet upon entering the Police Station.
I’ve heard the call in and I’ve read everything available. At this point I think Zimmerman was within the law in everything that happened.
If I later see evidence different, then I will be ready to beat his butt myself.
This moment and how things have gone, if there was a call out for people to defend the man—I would with my life.
I think this man has been abused in the worst way possible and I am losing sympathy for Trayvon’s family.
Broken nose is a bit stressful..not to mention having your skull smashed on the pavement several times.....ruins your whole evening.
Good. Maybe we will learn that Trayvon, who I read was found with women’s jewelry and a screwdriver, was the one breaking into homes in the neighborhood.
Maybe that's why the girlfriend hasn't showed up....with rings onb her fingers and bells on her toes.
For the life of me can't think what it could be.
My question is: why were they down a few feet on the sidewalk between the two units and does it have something to do with that evidence?
Indeed. Knowing that the VSA test has its flaws, I would have been reluctant to undergo this test.
It’s in one of the videos here. Two officers walk though door before him and do NOT wipe feet. He enters wipes feet, and the officer who follows him mimics him.
http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html
I have a further question: Why is it taking so long to arraign this guy? If there’s sufficient evidence of his guilt he should be arraigned. If not, he should be publicly released for lack of evidence and the states attorney stating they’re dropping all investigations.
It only matters what a jury belives. If they don’t believe the videotaped story he locked himself into and it doesn’t match up with the 911, Zimm will have big problems.
Probably better to let the steam out of the mob gradually - but it would be something to have the media caught totally unaware if (when) the prosecutor's report comes out.
Fingerprints would be nice.
Let’s say the police had fingerprints from the previous robberies and they matched trayvon’s, would they ever disclose this information?
I wonder if breakdowns have gone down yet.
Makes sense.
Quit beating that dead horse. The MSM and the New Black Panther Party have already proven that Zimmerman, after shooting the child dead, broke his own nose and somehow created injury to the back of his head.
Stop the racism, already.
Thanks, that makes sense.
So, that just describes the origin of the fight location, not what evidence might be there.
I think the additional evidence is another eyewitness, not John, not the 13 year old (who didn't see much anyway).
Those of us who supported Mr. Zimmerman from the beginning knew that there was more evidence supporting him than what the MSM was feeding to the resident FReepers who condemned him and continue to do so.
Not surprising, they're remaing silent on these threads now........
In many areas the Grand Jury is only in session quarterly...or less.
That could have something to do with it.
IMO there will be “total surprise” evidence released. We have no idea about powder residue, bullet and what ever that evidence is between when George hung up and was hit.
I’ve speculated that it could be a witness, or did he call his wife to tell her he’d be delayed. (We’ve heard nothing from her....maybe she’s the AA that he is related to)
Now that would be a surprise.....I suspect she’s the person who wrote the letter to the NAALCP.
Zimmerman probably had no idea what was going to happen after being forced to defend himself.
He probably had no idea the black racist lynch mobs and corrupt state run leftist media would attempt to discredit and smear him at every turn.
He wasn't arrested in the first place, because the police were unable to articulate a reason, based on evidence, to doubt Zimmerman's account.
If he had been arrested, "speedy trial" provisions of law kick in, and charges have to be brought in days.
I don't know the statute of limitations on manslaughter, but a suspect can be free for at least a year (indefinitely for murder and tax offenses) without being charged.
The delay in this case isn't really a delay yet. The case was scheduled to be put to a grand jury on April 10, by the original state (prosecuting) attorney, Wolfinger. The governor replaced Wolfinger on March 23, naming a special investigator to get the case completely outside of the normal routine. One would assume that "the clock starts over" with a brand new investigator.
-- he should be publicly released for lack of evidence and the states attorney stating they're dropping all investigations. --
The decision will most certainly be very public. Meanwhile, the state has treated him fairly while the media has crucified an innocent man.
This is sounding more and more like the Duke LAX case. In the beginning it sounds one way, but after the actual facts come out it turns out completely different.
It’s all about making Martin a martyr and Zimmerman a racist pig.
I’ve never see anything like it.
It's taking so long because there's a huge new problem. Even if the authorities are convinced no prosecution is possible, based on the evidence, they can't protect him so they can't "release" him.
Where the New Black Panthers are in the picture, the need for a totally new concept is unavoidable : create a new Victim Protection Program. The rational alternative, arrest and prosecute the strutting thugs, is politically unfeasible, and still assure the physical safety of both the police and the Zimmerman family.
Right, agreed. But you were wondering what evidence was somehow related to the location of the fight. I mentioned eyewitness other than John, because my recollection tells me either Robert, his dad, or Robert his brother mentioned that.
"Yep, VSA is complete rubbish."
As popular as all of the crime series on tv are, I think they have caused a serious misconception about how investigations and the justice system works. These tv shows make it look like everything is wrapped up, nice and neat, in an hour.
Forensic evidence is not analyzed on the spot and trials can take a very long time to come to fruition.
Makes things hard in “real life” situations.
It is amazing. A young thug is committing aggravated assault, and is converted into a martyr via the victim using self defense.
And a non-racist victim of aggravated assault is converted into a racist, because he was attacked by a thug.
An example of "no justice in this world."
He probably had no idea the black racist lynch mobs and corrupt state run leftist media would attempt to discredit and smear him at every turn."
Sorry, felt compelled to tweek your comment slightly.
This kind of thing has been going on for about 50 years. They've just become more emboldened, much like the millions of illegals.
No problem, you’re probably correct.
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When you always tell the truth you don’t have a history of lying to snag you in the future.
Nobody cares about silly facts. It's the "sensationalism" that matters. Get with the program!
No, he couldn’t have foreseen what was about to climb on his back.
I read and see tears for Trayvon EVERYWHERE but I see nothing like that for Zimmerman.
I think the tide is turning but what has been done can’t be undone.
black avengers need their rest same as others
Once again...
Please provide a link, any link to any official statement by any eye-witness to the start of the fight.
You won't because, as we all know, you can't.
You have become our MSNBC...throwing out un-knowables as fact because they meet your desire about what happened...only you are worse because we expect such dishonesty from them...not here.
BTW Speaking of TV one of my neighbor kids is now working in NYC (Her brother is front page editor of the WSJ) A story she did about a young lady murdered by her father will be featured on Forty-EIght hours tomorrow night. 10:00PM
From her dad’s F book page
An American Tragedy
www.marieclaire.com
In a quiet suburban parking lot outside of Phoenix, a father floors the gas on his Jeep Grand Cherokee and heads straight for his 20-year-old daughter. His goal: to protect his family’s “honor.” Abigail Pesta reports.
The WHITE Hispanic is not guilty.
The media, New Black Panthers, Jesse Jackson and Rev Al Sharpton are GUILTY and should be arrested, convicted and hung.
TYVM. I’ll set TIVO now to record it in case I forget to watch. DrO likes those shows.
Ahh, Obama’s Willie Horton moment.
Try to stick to the topic of this thread instead of rehashing all the crap you've been posting on the others.........
But I'll play your silly little game. Provide a link, any link to any official statement by any eye witness that says Mr. Zimmerman started the physical assault which resulted in him being on his back with Martin on top of him.
You have an eyewitness, the victim. The victim Zimmerman told the police on the scene, detectives and his father exactly what happened. You have evidence that collaborates his story... broken nose, bloody head, and grass stains on his back. A 13 year witness stating the Trevor was on top of Zimmerman beating the crap out him, etc... The screams for help on the 911 tape.
You have absolutely no evidence to the contrary (it might come out, but hasn’t yet). You are the one that is trying to make Zimmerman out to be a liar with no proof at all.
The police had Zimmerman for 5 hours. Far cry from the “let the guy go” picture the Left say that happened.
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I have a question. When GZ met with investigators at the scene the next day to go over what happened, did he have a legal advisor with him? Even if I was 110% innocent I’d bring a lawyer along.
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