Skip to comments.The Talk: Nonblack Version
Posted on 04/07/2012 5:04:29 AM PDT by reaganaut1
There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too. My own kids, now 19 and 16, have had it in bits and pieces as subtopics have arisen. If I were to assemble it into a single talk, it would look something like the following.
(1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and MLK-noncompliant) term African-American seems to be in decline, thank goodness. Colored and Negro are archaisms. What you must call the N word is used freely among blacks but is taboo to nonblacks.
(2) American blacks are descended from West African populations, with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture distribution is nonlinear, though: It seems that around 10 percent of the African American population is more than half European in ancestry. (Same link.)
(3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian, but blacks will take you to be white.
(4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, howevere.g., paragraph (10h) belowthis default principle should be overridden by considerations of personal safety.
(5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black psychopaths.
(Excerpt) Read more at takimag.com ...
I live in a city where black crime is near zero. So is the black population. The most common violent crime here seems to be bank or home robbery - nearly always committed by white male transients. A gathering such as Derbyshire mentions in 10) almost never happens, so it's easy to avoid. Black people I've met here almost always fall into his "IWSB" category - and I guarantee you they are giving their own kids a variation of the point 10) talk before sending them off to social gatherings in the neighboring large city.
10) isn't just for white kids - it's good advice for any citizen of any race who wants to survive the effects of the Left's war on American culture.
I imagine you’re right.
However if it should happen and they do it right, they will get themselves a very nice firearm. If they do it wrong, they will get the contents of said firearm.
Have any writers rejoined with a version for black kids? That might be amusing.
Go read Derbyshire's piece. Then check out these articles, all linked and referenced in Derbyshire's first couple of paragraph:
Read them all and then tell me what Derbyshire's point is.
He should have known better -- in a dumbed down society, satire is no longer an acceptable medium.
Derbyshire’s piece was in response to a piece written about talking to black kids.
Interesting. Do you have a link by any chance?
One of my favorite quotes of all time.
It wasn’t satire. Though Derb may have to say it was as he struggles to get hired somewhere in the neutered, suicidally PC West.
“Its my understanding that white males still comprise the majority of the sharp end of the military. Minorities are mostly in the support areas.”
That is pretty accurate from what I saw. I retired in 2008.
Yes, my first three encounters were in a jurisdiction that did not allow CCW at the time, the fourth was after getting my CCW.
You come from where I do and you know it from early on as did all I come from.
Sad thing, is it is exponentially worse now than the subtle differences I knew as a kid and white trash once very distinguishable has joined troupe.
unfortunately...no doubt the lower ebbs of white culture will display exactly the same IQ means and other fun stuff in another generation
maybe that is what folks want ...one big brown mess of dysfunctionality..hey...at least it got rid of racism...but you know what...it won't
Did any of these denouncers refute Derbyshire's points?
See the links in #55, apparently there’s more than one “talk.”
“During my 25 years in the US Air Force, it would never have occurred to me to avoid a group of black airmen. But 6 blacks dressed like thugs on an empty street? Not a chance.”
I’d hate to tell you what a lot of them dress like off-duty these days.
Like Obama said in describing his grandmother "...she is a typical white person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know there's a reaction....." Yep! I am typical.
“Remove the black population and the crimes committed by black perps from the stats, and the US murder rate plunges to Nordic country levels.”
Out of all the many, many articles on crime, etc. that I’ve read I’ve never seen that spelled out before. Of course it makes sense, although I will note I’m taking your math at face value.
How would Hispanics figure in? LOL white-Hispanics and Hispanic-Hispanics I guess I mean.
I'm sure Derbyshire will be punished for daring to utter the truth.
I note that he has thoughtfully provided links illustrating his major points, which will make it doubly infuriating to the liberals and the PC Rino contingents.
“I get treated more courteously by a young black man working the counter at a convenience store in suburban Georgia than by a white woman working the same job in a northern city.”
Off topic, I guess, but that reminds me of an experience I had. I often had to shop at a major chain retailer, in Jersey City, and I always came out in a meltdown because of the mind blowing stupidity and rudeness of their staff. Mostly black and hispanic I imagine, but not entirely.
Well, I was there one day and the cashier (black) had such exquisite manners that I walked out in a state of complete shock. She didn’t even help me in any particular way, she was just so POLITE. My beeber was so stuned I even forgot to thank her! I’m pretty sure she was from down South, even though she didn’t have any kind of strong accent. And she probably thought I was just another rude Yankee.
I hope working at that place didn’t ruin her manners, and that she was soon on to bigger and better things.
ping for later
It appears that the first O.B.A.M.A. was Europeans bringing those West Africans to the colonies.
In general his rules will lower you chance of being a crime victim, but if you are serious about not being a crime victim
have a loaded gun, you know how and are prepared to use,in your possession at all times (whether it is legal to do so or not).
I would say the exception being if you live in an area similar to where I live, with a population of 75k+ and averaging less than one stranger on stranger murder per year. In that case I think the danger of accidentally killing yourself or a family member tilts the scale in the direction of not carrying.
Come to South Carolina, you will meet more like her and men who are the same way, unfortunately you may also meet some real losers who think the world owes them a Mercedes.
There are indeed only two races. The human race and NASCAR.
Ron Unz (the man who spearheaded CA's anti-bilingual school instruction initiative) argues that on an age-adjusted basis, Hispanics commit crimes at about the same rate as whites. Edwin Rubenstein suggests, in this essay that Unz's assertion isn't wholly supported by the facts. I haven't had time to crawl through all the numbers, but I tend to believe Unz's assertion, mainly because the guy he got to cobble the numbers together is a right-winger and Santorum-supporter, Razib Khan, who's good friends with John Derbyshire. Criminality and low average IQ aren't necessarily correlated.
On average, blacks appear to be instinctively more likely to see the other people's (blacks or otherwise) lives and possessions much as eagles see mice scurrying across a field - targets for attack. Morality or law (which are man-made rules created to prevent a constant war of all against all) simply do not come into the picture, other than as inconvenient impediments to personal gratification. It's not just violent crimes at which blacks are overrepresented - they also commit roughly 50% of the white collar crimes despite being 12% of the population. This built-in sociopathy (again this is on average - not all blacks are sociopaths, but more blacks are likely to be sociopathic than other races) is also why blacks are statistically overrepresented among the ranks of serial killers.
It stands to reason. Non-black Hispanics are basically Native Americans from south of the border with different degrees of European blood. Native Americans simply aren't big time offenders - their social pathologies tend to be turned inward.
I’ve got an 11 year old daughter. In view of the rapidly increasing levels of violence and criminality seen among the black community, I’ve known I’ll need to have a discussion with her for her safety.
Derbyshire’s piece looks to be just what I need.
Full article (If not allowed due to copyright, please pull):
There is much talk about the talk.
Sean OReilly was 16 when his mother gave him the talk that most
black parents give their teenage sons, Denisa R. Superville of the
Hackensack (NJ) Record tells us. Meanwhile, down in Atlanta: Her
sons were 12 and 8 when Marlyn Tillman realized it was time for her
to have the talk, Gracie Bonds Staples writes in the Fort Worth
Leonard Greene talks about the talk in the New York Post. Someone
bylined as KJ DellAntonia talks about the talk in The New York
Times. Darryl Owens talks about the talk in the Orlando Sentinel.
Yes, talk about the talk is all over.
There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too.
My own kids, now 19 and 16, have had it in bits and pieces as
subtopics have arisen. If I were to assemble it into a single talk,
it would look something like the following.
* * * * * * * * * * * * *
(1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as
black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and
MLK-noncompliant) term African-American seems to be in decline,
thank goodness. Colored and Negro are archaisms. What you must
call the N word is used freely among blacks but is taboo to
There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids,
(2) American blacks are descended from West African populations,
with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall
average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture
distribution is nonlinear, though: It seems that around 10 percent
of the African American population is more than half European in
ancestry. (Same link.)
(3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian,
but blacks will take you to be white.
(4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that
as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as
yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies
you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners
and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, howevere.g.,
paragraph (10h) belowthis default principle should be overridden
by considerations of personal safety.
(5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation
among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of
identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short,
dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic,
sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are
black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black
psychopaths. In a population of forty million, you will find almost
any human type. Only at the far, far extremes of certain traits are
there absences. There are, for example, no black Fields Medal
winners. While this is civilizationally consequential, it will not
likely ever be important to you personally. Most people live and
die without ever meeting (or wishing to meet) a Fields Medal
(6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever
larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your
encounters are randomfor example, not restricted only to black
convicted murderers or to black investment bankersthe Law of Large
Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means
the averagesof many traits are very different for black and white
Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the
(7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very
different means for antisocial behavior, which you will see
reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political
corruption, and criminal convictions.
(8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many blacks
feel toward whites. Thus, while black-on-black behavior is more
antisocial in the average than is white-on-white behavior, average
black-on-white behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.
(9) A small cohort of blacksin my experience, around five percent
is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to
inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacksaround
halfwill go along passively if the five percent take leadership in
some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural
willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling
that whites have it coming.
(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of
individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide
you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common
(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you
(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.
(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date,
find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that
date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to
death by gunshot).
(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.
(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks
suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.
(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black
(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her
character much more carefully than you would a white.
(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress,
e.g., on the highway.
(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say
something polite but keep moving.
(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites.
The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81;
forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is
more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are
more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in
every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or
nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in
countless everyday situations. Life is an IQ test.
(12) There is a magnifying effect here, too, caused by affirmative
action. In a pure meritocracy there would be very low proportions
of blacks in cognitively demanding jobs. Because of affirmative
action, the proportions are higher. In government work, they are
very high. Thus, in those encounters with strangers that involve
cognitive engagement, ceteris paribus the black stranger will be
less intelligent than the white. In such encounters, thereforefor
example, at a government officeyou will, on average, be dealt with
more competently by a white than by a black. If that hostility-
based magnifying effect (paragraph 8) is also in play, you will be
dealt with more politely, too. The DMV lady is a statistical
truth, not a myth.
(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many
intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (Ill use IWSB as an ad hoc
abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make
friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of
friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-
destroying accusations of prejudice.
(14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand
here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to
display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in
positions at the interface with the general publiccorporate sales
reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies,
etc.with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There
is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites
for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous
paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.
(15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs
are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate
jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations,
coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US
society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group
of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken
as prejudice (see paragraph 13).
* * * * * * * * * * * * *
You dont have to follow my version of the talk point for point;
but if you are white or Asian and have kids, you owe it to them to
give them some version of the talk. It will save them a lot of time
and trouble spent figuring things out for themselves. It may save
raise that 5% to about 10 and IMO this is dead on and is quite similar to what I have already told my own two boys about race.
Thanks for your reply. That’s really a hidden stat about the serial killers, nobody knows that, everybody thinks serial killers are almost always white males.
There is a very high tolerance for criminal behavior among blacks. Not only do they make up a wildly disproportionate amount of the criminals, they are also over-represented among victims. And of course, the vast, vast, vast majority of black crime victims are victimized by other blacks.
One thing I’ve noticed about black people (well, I suppose I’m dating myself here, I even remember life before ATM machines!) is that even very ordinary folks would have unlisted phone numbers, back in the day when you had to pay extra for that.
I never asked any black person why this was true, but my guess was they were avoiding their no-good relatives.
Why hasn’t John Derbyshire been fired yet.
FR gets a mention as being even more racist than him.
I learned many of these things while a liberal, and living in a city. After describing my personal experiences of being assaulted by inner city youth, without any judgements, or considerations of causation, I was called a racist and a skinhead by so-called liberal friends. I am not a liberal anymore.
National Review should be considered a liberal rag from now on.
This WAS the rejoinder to an article about a talk for black kids.
I though it was the Indy and NASCAR.
And this clever commentary is what got John fired from NRO???
There is nothing racist in the article
There is nothing racist in the article
Your not wearing your pc glasses. Its a black guy writing about black guys..in America of all places!
Nevermind the statistical facts..its a white guy writing about black guys!
Diss’n em, yo.
Probably a second cousin to that zimmerman. You know that “cracker” who unjustly killed that inocent god fearing young black man down in Forida.
I remember during the 2008 campaign there was all this chatter about how electing Obama would finally put our sins against blacks to rest, that race would no longer be an issue.
Rush Limbaugh scoffed at that and cited David Dinkins (former NYC mayor) as evidence—the same thing was said about his election, but race relations got much worse.
Now we’re seeing it on the national level and it’s getting worse pretty fast.
Once again, Rush was right.
Are you sure that you are following the discussion here correctly.
Derb's article is a response to other writers who have discussed "the talk" that supposedly black parents give to their kids.
He says this explicitly and provides links right at the top of his piece.
We’re not raising the bar or letting the rising tide make all boats equal, anymore. Because of what’s been done to our once-great and prosperous American Society over the past 50 years, we’re now pumping out the bay and letting all boats settle in the mud, at the bottom. Sad commentary, isn’t it?
The whole thing is extremely racist.
But that doesn’t mean It’s not spot on 100% true and accurate.
The word most people mean when they say “racist,” is “bigoted”, which implies falsity or unfairness. This article is not bigoted. It’s truth.
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I have seen that many people in the comments are saying things to the effect that “racist” has lost its sting, as it should. Because the current definition of “racist” means anyone who strays from the orthodoxy , even in something as objective as posting crime stats and letting the chips fall where they may. Even people who have no hate and wish no ill-will are now “racists” if they don’t toe the party line that black pathologies are the fault of their evil oppressors (after years of discrimarion towards whites/Asians to “level the playing field”). If being tired of the lies, the blame, the race card, the double standards, the hypocrisy, and the race to the lowest common denominator in almost every aspect of life is “rayciss”, then I must embrace the label.
“Rush Limbaugh scoffed at that and cited David Dinkins (former NYC mayor) as evidence...”
I didn’t hear Rush invoke the esteemed Mayor Dinkins, but Obama could take a lesson from that re-election campaign.
It was Dinkins’ lack of response to the Crown Heights Riots that were started when an Orthodox Jewish guy accidently ran down and killed a little black kid that doomed his campaign.
I also remember a Wm. F. Buckley column recounting an appearance by then president Clinton during which he hectored his NYC audience that they must re-elected Dinkins to prove they weren’t racists. As Buckely put it, the NYC residents didn’t appreciate hearing this from a man whose home state needed Federal Troops sent in to de-segregate their schools.
Rudy Giuliani who had lost to Dinkins previously was elected.
And the rest, as they say, is history.
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I wish I had a good excuse...