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The Talk: Nonblack Version
Taki's Magazine ^ | April 5, 2012 | John Derbyshire

Posted on 04/07/2012 5:04:29 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too. My own kids, now 19 and 16, have had it in bits and pieces as subtopics have arisen. If I were to assemble it into a single talk, it would look something like the following.

(1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and MLK-noncompliant) term “African-American” seems to be in decline, thank goodness. “Colored” and “Negro” are archaisms. What you must call “the ‘N’ word” is used freely among blacks but is taboo to nonblacks.

(2) American blacks are descended from West African populations, with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture distribution is nonlinear, though: “It seems that around 10 percent of the African American population is more than half European in ancestry.” (Same link.)

(3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian, but blacks will take you to be white.

(4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, however—e.g., paragraph (10h) below—this default principle should be overridden by considerations of personal safety.

(5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black psychopaths.

(Excerpt) Read more at takimag.com ...


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To: reaganaut1
Everybody seems to be upset about Derbyshire's multi-part point 10). I think perhaps he does go off the track a bit into near-racism in points 11) to 15), but he's in the most trouble for 10) because he put into print important truths that should best remain a "white oral tradition". :)

I live in a city where black crime is near zero. So is the black population. The most common violent crime here seems to be bank or home robbery - nearly always committed by white male transients. A gathering such as Derbyshire mentions in 10) almost never happens, so it's easy to avoid. Black people I've met here almost always fall into his "IWSB" category - and I guarantee you they are giving their own kids a variation of the point 10) talk before sending them off to social gatherings in the neighboring large city.

10) isn't just for white kids - it's good advice for any citizen of any race who wants to survive the effects of the Left's war on American culture.

51 posted on 04/07/2012 7:53:48 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I imagine you’re right.


52 posted on 04/07/2012 7:55:09 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: PapaBear3625
First of all, I have never been mugged by any one, black, white, brown, yellow, red or anything in between.

However if it should happen and they do it right, they will get themselves a very nice firearm. If they do it wrong, they will get the contents of said firearm.

53 posted on 04/07/2012 8:03:24 AM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: reaganaut1

Have any writers rejoined with a version for black kids? That might be amusing.


54 posted on 04/07/2012 8:03:33 AM PDT by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: reaganaut1
It seems that almost everyone (especially the afraid-of-their-own-shadow PC morons that make up the current editorial staff of NRO) is missing the point of Derbyshire's piece -- he is commenting ironically on "The Talk" that black parents allegedly have with their sons about the nature of being a black man in America. One is reminded of the furor Jonathan Swift endured after he published A Modest Proposal.

Go read Derbyshire's piece. Then check out these articles, all linked and referenced in Derbyshire's first couple of paragraph:

Trayvon Martin tragedy brings focus to 'the talk' for black parents

Hoodie wearers say there's no reason to stereotype

Black parents live in fear after Trayvon Martin case

Trayvon Martin and ‘the Talk’ Black Parents Have With Their Teenage Sons

Darryl E. Owens: Revisiting 'The Talk' that black parents give to keep their children safe

Read them all and then tell me what Derbyshire's point is.

He should have known better -- in a dumbed down society, satire is no longer an acceptable medium.

55 posted on 04/07/2012 8:03:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: matt1234

Derbyshire’s piece was in response to a piece written about talking to black kids.


56 posted on 04/07/2012 8:06:29 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Derbyshire’s piece was in response to a piece written about talking to black kids.

Interesting. Do you have a link by any chance?

57 posted on 04/07/2012 8:10:38 AM PDT by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: onedoug
“There are only two races of men: the decent and the indecent.” —Viktor Frankl, survivor, Nazi conecentration camps

One of my favorite quotes of all time.

FMCDH(BITS)

58 posted on 04/07/2012 8:11:39 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Cincinatus

It wasn’t satire. Though Derb may have to say it was as he struggles to get hired somewhere in the neutered, suicidally PC West.


59 posted on 04/07/2012 8:12:16 AM PDT by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: mrsmel

“It’s my understanding that white males still comprise the majority of the “sharp end” of the military. Minorities are mostly in the support areas.”

That is pretty accurate from what I saw. I retired in 2008.


60 posted on 04/07/2012 8:16:21 AM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Tupelo

Yes, my first three encounters were in a jurisdiction that did not allow CCW at the time, the fourth was after getting my CCW.


61 posted on 04/07/2012 8:17:36 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: reaganaut1; mrsmel
I'm 7th generation Mississippian and it never ceases to humour me to watch so many freepers talk about blacks like they are exotic and mysterious to them.

You come from where I do and you know it from early on as did all I come from.

Sad thing, is it is exponentially worse now than the subtle differences I knew as a kid and white trash once very distinguishable has joined troupe.

unfortunately...no doubt the lower ebbs of white culture will display exactly the same IQ means and other fun stuff in another generation

maybe that is what folks want ...one big brown mess of dysfunctionality..hey...at least it got rid of racism...but you know what...it won't

62 posted on 04/07/2012 8:20:54 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: reaganaut1
Poor white guy violates many of Derbyshire's number 10 points. Things go bad rather quickly.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e4_1333470460

63 posted on 04/07/2012 8:32:48 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Jim Noble
Lowry, Ponnoru and Goldberg all published the required denunciations within hours.

Did any of these denouncers refute Derbyshire's points?

64 posted on 04/07/2012 8:40:13 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: matt1234

See the links in #55, apparently there’s more than one “talk.”


65 posted on 04/07/2012 8:41:35 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: wardaddy
one big brown mess of dysfunctionality..hey...at least it got rid of racism...but you know what...it won't

You are exactly right-in order to enact "equality" everything must be lowered to the lowest common denominator, as it's impossible to raise people above what they are capable of. That's the only "equality" we'll ever have, it's the only one possible. Decades of affirmative action are proving it, as evidenced by lowered admission standards for everything, including vital life-saving professions. Just watch, the SEALS will have to lower standards to meet their "diversity" targets. They swear they won't, but if they're serious about it, they will. Just like police and firefighters. Just like universities. Just like public schools.
66 posted on 04/07/2012 8:55:16 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Mr Rogers

“During my 25 years in the US Air Force, it would never have occurred to me to avoid a group of black airmen. But 6 blacks dressed like thugs on an empty street? Not a chance.”

I’d hate to tell you what a lot of them dress like off-duty these days.


67 posted on 04/07/2012 9:10:48 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Greg223
The very FIRST time I saw a Black person he was beating the crap out of a red-headed white woman outside of their door. Being quite young at the time it left me scared of Blacks for a long time.

Like Obama said in describing his grandmother "...she is a typical white person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know there's a reaction....." Yep! I am typical.

68 posted on 04/07/2012 9:12:19 AM PDT by Spunky
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To: Zhang Fei

“Remove the black population and the crimes committed by black perps from the stats, and the US murder rate plunges to Nordic country levels.”

Out of all the many, many articles on crime, etc. that I’ve read I’ve never seen that spelled out before. Of course it makes sense, although I will note I’m taking your math at face value.

How would Hispanics figure in? LOL white-Hispanics and Hispanic-Hispanics I guess I mean.


70 posted on 04/07/2012 10:08:16 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: reaganaut1
The most honest article about race in American that I've ever read.

I'm sure Derbyshire will be punished for daring to utter the truth.

I note that he has thoughtfully provided links illustrating his major points, which will make it doubly infuriating to the liberals and the PC Rino contingents.

71 posted on 04/07/2012 10:09:57 AM PDT by mojito
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To: Dr. Sivana

“I get treated more courteously by a young black man working the counter at a convenience store in suburban Georgia than by a white woman working the same job in a northern city.”

Off topic, I guess, but that reminds me of an experience I had. I often had to shop at a major chain retailer, in Jersey City, and I always came out in a meltdown because of the mind blowing stupidity and rudeness of their staff. Mostly black and hispanic I imagine, but not entirely.

Well, I was there one day and the cashier (black) had such exquisite manners that I walked out in a state of complete shock. She didn’t even help me in any particular way, she was just so POLITE. My beeber was so stuned I even forgot to thank her! I’m pretty sure she was from down South, even though she didn’t have any kind of strong accent. And she probably thought I was just another rude Yankee.

I hope working at that place didn’t ruin her manners, and that she was soon on to bigger and better things.


72 posted on 04/07/2012 10:17:00 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: PapaBear3625

ping for later


73 posted on 04/07/2012 10:18:54 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: TomasUSMC

It appears that the first O.B.A.M.A. was Europeans bringing those West Africans to the colonies.


74 posted on 04/07/2012 10:37:58 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: All

In general his rules will lower you chance of being a crime victim, but if you are serious about not being a crime victim
have a loaded gun, you know how and are prepared to use,in your possession at all times (whether it is legal to do so or not).

I would say the exception being if you live in an area similar to where I live, with a population of 75k+ and averaging less than one stranger on stranger murder per year. In that case I think the danger of accidentally killing yourself or a family member tilts the scale in the direction of not carrying.


75 posted on 04/07/2012 11:39:40 AM PDT by Jonah Johansen ("Coming soon to a neighborhood near you")
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To: jocon307

Come to South Carolina, you will meet more like her and men who are the same way, unfortunately you may also meet some real losers who think the world owes them a Mercedes.


76 posted on 04/07/2012 12:04:17 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: onedoug; the invisib1e hand; nothingnew
“There are only two races of men: the decent and the indecent.”

There are indeed only two races. The human race and NASCAR.

77 posted on 04/07/2012 12:30:48 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Haggai 1, V6.. and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes. (My plight))
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To: jocon307
How would Hispanics figure in? LOL white-Hispanics and Hispanic-Hispanics I guess I mean.

Ron Unz (the man who spearheaded CA's anti-bilingual school instruction initiative) argues that on an age-adjusted basis, Hispanics commit crimes at about the same rate as whites. Edwin Rubenstein suggests, in this essay that Unz's assertion isn't wholly supported by the facts. I haven't had time to crawl through all the numbers, but I tend to believe Unz's assertion, mainly because the guy he got to cobble the numbers together is a right-winger and Santorum-supporter, Razib Khan, who's good friends with John Derbyshire. Criminality and low average IQ aren't necessarily correlated.

On average, blacks appear to be instinctively more likely to see the other people's (blacks or otherwise) lives and possessions much as eagles see mice scurrying across a field - targets for attack. Morality or law (which are man-made rules created to prevent a constant war of all against all) simply do not come into the picture, other than as inconvenient impediments to personal gratification. It's not just violent crimes at which blacks are overrepresented - they also commit roughly 50% of the white collar crimes despite being 12% of the population. This built-in sociopathy (again this is on average - not all blacks are sociopaths, but more blacks are likely to be sociopathic than other races) is also why blacks are statistically overrepresented among the ranks of serial killers.

It stands to reason. Non-black Hispanics are basically Native Americans from south of the border with different degrees of European blood. Native Americans simply aren't big time offenders - their social pathologies tend to be turned inward.

78 posted on 04/07/2012 12:39:08 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I’ve got an 11 year old daughter. In view of the rapidly increasing levels of violence and criminality seen among the black community, I’ve known I’ll need to have a discussion with her for her safety.

Derbyshire’s piece looks to be just what I need.


79 posted on 04/07/2012 1:17:08 PM PDT by Jay Santos CP ("Idiocracy"... It's no longer just a movie.)
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To: reaganaut1

Full article (If not allowed due to copyright, please pull):

There is much talk about “the talk.”

“Sean O’Reilly was 16 when his mother gave him the talk that most

black parents give their teenage sons,” Denisa R. Superville of the

Hackensack (NJ) Record tells us. Meanwhile, down in Atlanta: “Her

sons were 12 and 8 when Marlyn Tillman realized it was time for her

to have the talk,” Gracie Bonds Staples writes in the Fort Worth

Star-Telegram.

Leonard Greene talks about the talk in the New York Post. Someone

bylined as KJ Dell’Antonia talks about the talk in The New York

Times. Darryl Owens talks about the talk in the Orlando Sentinel.

Yes, talk about the talk is all over.

There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too.

My own kids, now 19 and 16, have had it in bits and pieces as

subtopics have arisen. If I were to assemble it into a single talk,

it would look something like the following.

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

(1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as

black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and

MLK-noncompliant) term “African-American” seems to be in decline,

thank goodness. “Colored” and “Negro” are archaisms. What you must

call “the ‘N’ word” is used freely among blacks but is taboo to

nonblacks.

“There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids,

too.”

(2) American blacks are descended from West African populations,

with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall

average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture

distribution is nonlinear, though: “It seems that around 10 percent

of the African American population is more than half European in

ancestry.” (Same link.)

(3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian,

but blacks will take you to be white.

(4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that

as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as

yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies

you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners

and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, however—e.g.,

paragraph (10h) below—this default principle should be overridden

by considerations of personal safety.

(5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation

among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of

identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short,

dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic,

sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are

black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black

psychopaths. In a population of forty million, you will find almost

any human type. Only at the far, far extremes of certain traits are

there absences. There are, for example, no black Fields Medal

winners. While this is civilizationally consequential, it will not

likely ever be important to you personally. Most people live and

die without ever meeting (or wishing to meet) a Fields Medal

winner.

(6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever

larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your

encounters are random—for example, not restricted only to black

convicted murderers or to black investment bankers—the Law of Large

Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means—

the averages—of many traits are very different for black and white

Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the

human sciences.

(7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very

different means for antisocial behavior, which you will see

reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political

corruption, and criminal convictions.

(8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many blacks

feel toward whites. Thus, while black-on-black behavior is more

antisocial in the average than is white-on-white behavior, average

black-on-white behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.

(9) A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent

—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to

inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around

half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in

some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural

willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling

that whites have it coming.

(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of

individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide

you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common

sense:

(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you

personally.

(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date,

find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that

date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to

death by gunshot).

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks

suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black

politicians.

(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her

character much more carefully than you would a white.

(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress,

e.g., on the highway.

(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say

something polite but keep moving.

(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites.

The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81;

forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is

more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are

more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in

every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or

nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in

countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

(12) There is a magnifying effect here, too, caused by affirmative

action. In a pure meritocracy there would be very low proportions

of blacks in cognitively demanding jobs. Because of affirmative

action, the proportions are higher. In government work, they are

very high. Thus, in those encounters with strangers that involve

cognitive engagement, ceteris paribus the black stranger will be

less intelligent than the white. In such encounters, therefore—for

example, at a government office—you will, on average, be dealt with

more competently by a white than by a black. If that hostility-

based magnifying effect (paragraph 8) is also in play, you will be

dealt with more politely, too. “The DMV lady“ is a statistical

truth, not a myth.

(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many

intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc

abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make

friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of

friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-

destroying accusations of prejudice.

(14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand

here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to

display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in

positions at the interface with the general public—corporate sales

reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies,

etc.—with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There

is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites

for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous

paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.

(15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs

are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate

jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations,

coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US

society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group

of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken

as prejudice (see paragraph 13).

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

You don’t have to follow my version of the talk point for point;

but if you are white or Asian and have kids, you owe it to them to

give them some version of the talk. It will save them a lot of time

and trouble spent figuring things out for themselves. It may save

their lives.


80 posted on 04/07/2012 1:49:11 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: reaganaut1
a small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

raise that 5% to about 10 and IMO this is dead on and is quite similar to what I have already told my own two boys about race.

81 posted on 04/07/2012 1:54:36 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (if it weren't for double standards the left wouldn't have any standards at all)
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To: Zhang Fei

Thanks for your reply. That’s really a hidden stat about the serial killers, nobody knows that, everybody thinks serial killers are almost always white males.

There is a very high tolerance for criminal behavior among blacks. Not only do they make up a wildly disproportionate amount of the criminals, they are also over-represented among victims. And of course, the vast, vast, vast majority of black crime victims are victimized by other blacks.

One thing I’ve noticed about black people (well, I suppose I’m dating myself here, I even remember life before ATM machines!) is that even very ordinary folks would have unlisted phone numbers, back in the day when you had to pay extra for that.

I never asked any black person why this was true, but my guess was they were avoiding their no-good relatives.


82 posted on 04/07/2012 1:58:55 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: reaganaut1

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/04/why-john-derbyshire-hasnt-been-fired-yet/50803/

Why hasn’t John Derbyshire been fired yet.

FR gets a mention as being even more racist than him.


83 posted on 04/07/2012 2:33:44 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: reaganaut1

I learned many of these things while a liberal, and living in a city. After describing my personal experiences of being assaulted by inner city youth, without any judgements, or considerations of causation, I was called a racist and a skinhead by so-called liberal friends. I am not a liberal anymore.


84 posted on 04/07/2012 3:33:40 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama is afraid if he needs to start a fight with Catholics. He's losing the women's vote!!!)
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To: Jim Noble; xsmommy

National Review should be considered a liberal rag from now on.


85 posted on 04/07/2012 4:17:02 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: matt1234

#54

This WAS the rejoinder to an article about a talk for black kids.


86 posted on 04/07/2012 4:28:12 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Graybeard58

I though it was the Indy and NASCAR.


87 posted on 04/07/2012 4:37:43 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I think in about 5 - no, 4 - years I'll have had enough.)
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To: reaganaut1

And this clever commentary is what got John fired from NRO???


88 posted on 04/07/2012 4:40:32 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: TASMANIANRED

There is nothing racist in the article


89 posted on 04/07/2012 4:48:52 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

There is nothing racist in the article

Your not wearing your pc glasses. Its a black guy writing about black guys..in America of all places!
Nevermind the statistical facts..its a white guy writing about black guys!
Diss’n em, yo.
Probably a second cousin to that zimmerman. You know that “cracker” who unjustly killed that inocent god fearing young black man down in Forida.


90 posted on 04/07/2012 5:11:19 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: Tupelo
absolutely right...
91 posted on 04/07/2012 5:15:24 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: melancholy

I remember during the 2008 campaign there was all this chatter about how electing Obama would finally put our sins against blacks to rest, that race would no longer be an issue.

Rush Limbaugh scoffed at that and cited David Dinkins (former NYC mayor) as evidence—the same thing was said about his election, but race relations got much worse.

Now we’re seeing it on the national level and it’s getting worse pretty fast.

Once again, Rush was right.


92 posted on 04/07/2012 5:28:39 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (If we had a President, he'd look like Newt.)
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To: matt1234
Have any writers rejoined with a version for black kids? That might be amusing.

Are you sure that you are following the discussion here correctly.

Derb's article is a response to other writers who have discussed "the talk" that supposedly black parents give to their kids.

He says this explicitly and provides links right at the top of his piece.

93 posted on 04/07/2012 6:02:33 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: mrsmel; wardaddy

We’re not raising the bar or letting the rising tide make all boats equal, anymore. Because of what’s been done to our once-great and prosperous American Society over the past 50 years, we’re now pumping out the bay and letting all boats settle in the mud, at the bottom. Sad commentary, isn’t it?


94 posted on 04/07/2012 6:04:08 PM PDT by carriage_hill (ual)
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To: GeronL

The whole thing is extremely racist.

But that doesn’t mean It’s not spot on 100% true and accurate.

The word most people mean when they say “racist,” is “bigoted”, which implies falsity or unfairness. This article is not bigoted. It’s truth.


95 posted on 04/07/2012 6:06:10 PM PDT by jr.ewing.78
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96 posted on 04/07/2012 6:07:49 PM PDT by narses
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To: Future Snake Eater
Derbyshire has imstigated that infamous "honest conversation about race" that Holder claimed we (whites) don't have the courage to have. He was right, up until now (and I hope more people start speaking up, the truth has been suppressed long enough) we haven't had that honest talk.

Of course, any whites except the DWL knew that what Holder meant by "honesty" was yet another opportunity for whites to beat their breasts while decrying their sin of being white, the sin of being a member of a race which is the definitive success story in history. It's the sin of having standards of achievement and principles of morality which they have mostly lived up to even in adversity. (Never forget it was white blood which was overwhelmingly spilled to end slavery. Slavery continues in Africa).

The only conversation Holder et al wanted was the same old tired one where whites stand before the black tribunal and confess the sins of a small minority of our forefathers in order to reinforce black victimisation amd white oppression as the scapegoat for black failure in every nation or city in which they are the majority and/or the ruling government bar none.

He did not want the really honest conversation on race in which crime stats which black crime, whether against other blacks or whites, to be magnitudes higher than white crime. He didn't want the conversation which shows that black males from families in higher socioeconomic levels still have higher crime rates, higher drop-out rates, lower SAT scores than whites in comparable families or even white kids from lower SES backgrounds. So poverty can't be blamed, lack pf parental involvement can't be blamed-what does explain this? "Regression to the mean" gives a hint to the root of the overall problems.
97 posted on 04/07/2012 6:48:58 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: jr.ewing.78

I have seen that many people in the comments are saying things to the effect that “racist” has lost its sting, as it should. Because the current definition of “racist” means anyone who strays from the orthodoxy , even in something as objective as posting crime stats and letting the chips fall where they may. Even people who have no hate and wish no ill-will are now “racists” if they don’t toe the party line that black pathologies are the fault of their evil oppressors (after years of discrimarion towards whites/Asians to “level the playing field”). If being tired of the lies, the blame, the race card, the double standards, the hypocrisy, and the race to the lowest common denominator in almost every aspect of life is “rayciss”, then I must embrace the label.


98 posted on 04/07/2012 6:56:19 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Future Snake Eater

“Rush Limbaugh scoffed at that and cited David Dinkins (former NYC mayor) as evidence...”

I didn’t hear Rush invoke the esteemed Mayor Dinkins, but Obama could take a lesson from that re-election campaign.

It was Dinkins’ lack of response to the Crown Heights Riots that were started when an Orthodox Jewish guy accidently ran down and killed a little black kid that doomed his campaign.

I also remember a Wm. F. Buckley column recounting an appearance by then president Clinton during which he hectored his NYC audience that they must re-elected Dinkins to prove they weren’t racists. As Buckely put it, the NYC residents didn’t appreciate hearing this from a man whose home state needed Federal Troops sent in to de-segregate their schools.

Rudy Giuliani who had lost to Dinkins previously was elected.

And the rest, as they say, is history.


99 posted on 04/07/2012 6:58:36 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: jr.ewing.78; rogue yam; Valpal1

Yes I am.

I wish I had a good excuse...


100 posted on 04/07/2012 7:07:11 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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