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Republican Committee Fund-Raising Has Big Turnaround [America Eager To Fire Obama]
NY TIMES ^ | 4/6/12 | NICHOLAS CONFESSORE

Posted on 04/07/2012 5:06:53 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Once teetering on the edge of bankruptcy and irrelevance, the Republican National Committee has raised more than $110 million over the past 15 months and retired more than half its debt, accumulating large cash reserves that could give Mitt Romney a critical boost later this spring as he intensifies his campaign against President Obama.

With the divisive and drawn-out Republican primary season moving toward a close, the committee reported more money in the bank at the start of last month than the Democratic National Committee, which raised about $137 million during the same period but also spent far more.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012
Any Republican, in my opinion, will be a better choice than the communist loving Obama.
1 posted on 04/07/2012 5:07:03 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Let’s put it this way: none of the Republicans started their political career in the home of someone who plotted to bomb the Pentagon.


2 posted on 04/07/2012 5:14:24 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

The RNC is doing better since they dumped Michael Steele.


3 posted on 04/07/2012 5:17:49 AM PDT by iowamark (The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves)
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To: SoFloFreeper
ABO

ABO

AFBBO

4 posted on 04/07/2012 5:19:07 AM PDT by Principled
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To: SoFloFreeper

>> accumulating large cash reserves that could give Mitt Romney a critical boost later this spring as he intensifies his campaign against President Obama.

Isn’t it just a *wee* bit early for Myth to be measuring the White House windows for Spongebob Squarepants drapes?


5 posted on 04/07/2012 5:32:23 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Any Republican, in my opinion, will be a better choice than the communist loving Obama. <<

that's true to an extent....but we don't need just a (R)epublican...we need a CONSERVATIVE!!!!

6 posted on 04/07/2012 5:35:14 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: SoFloFreeper

Oh goody. More money for the RNC to squander on electing liberals.


7 posted on 04/07/2012 5:44:14 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can't be both. Pick one.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Just think about how well they’d do if they were touting a conservative candidate...


8 posted on 04/07/2012 5:47:35 AM PDT by DJ Frisat ((optional, printed after my name on post))
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To: SoFloFreeper

Is this the LDS buying a stake in RINO Inc?

But any dollar to dump Obama is a better dollar than none.


9 posted on 04/07/2012 5:48:53 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (If case you are wondering, I'm supporting Newt.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
OK, here is what happened the other day. The doorbell rang and I have a sign that says "Day Sleeper, Please Do not Disturb". I open the door and there is the mail carrier. He has a Certified Letter that I have to sign for. Well, it's from the RNC. I saw the postage was well over $3.00 and the letter says that they have an URGENT need for funds to beat Obama and that is why they sent it by Certified Mail. "Suggested" contribution: $100.00- $200.00- $500.00-- OTHER.

I went back to sleep.

10 posted on 04/07/2012 6:16:11 AM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: SoFloFreeper
To all you romney lovers, a good chunk of the base WILL NEVER vote for romney. He lied, stole, cheated, bought votes and endorsements. He had the states rigged (with the help of the RNC and his friends in power in those states) so that most liberal states were winner take all and conservative states were split. The cold hearted *%# destroyed good people to get power for HIMSELF. In the religious meeting in January, his people told the conservatives, "conservatives WILL vote for romney in November and he does not have to “reach out to us in any way." ” Notice he has not, and is starting to show his true blue state liberal colors. I always thought romney was no different than Obama. I'm wrong, he's worse. Someone (COBOL2Java) found this quote and make some excellent points, so I hope he does not mind if I borrow it.

Romney will run the Presidency like he ran Massachusetts. He will be a place-holder for the left, and will get blamed for the economy which will nose-dive beginning in 2013, thus opening the door for a roaring DemocRAT comback in 2016.
Republicans in the House and Senate will be disinclined to go against the leader of their Party. So which is better, a leftist Republican who will run roughshod over conservatism, or a lame-duck Marxist that Republicans in the House and Senate can fight against? I like Alexander Hamilton’s quote:

“If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures.”

11 posted on 04/07/2012 6:23:01 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

One thing going for the GOP is that the prograts are Chicago thug types who skim and waste and squander on drugs and whores...


12 posted on 04/07/2012 6:23:37 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Linda Frances

I don’t love Romney. I am dissapointed. I used to say that I’d nevernevernever vote for McCain. Guess what? We MUST get O out.


13 posted on 04/07/2012 6:26:10 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Linda Frances

I’ll take him over Obama! in a heart beat!


14 posted on 04/07/2012 6:36:36 AM PDT by southphilly (Every State should be a right to work Stae)
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To: Linda Frances

Since this is addressed to me, let me respond. While I am no “Romney lover”, I do care about America. And if given a choice between the two (and considering only Democrats and Republicans are electable) I will choose Romney.

Obama’s disdain for private sector capitalism, his embrace of communist sympathizers, and his hatred for our best friend Israel give me just three reasons to vote for anyone but him. Obama blows.


15 posted on 04/07/2012 6:59:23 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Mamzelle

My guess is many of you were romney supporters from the beginning. Those who are romney supporters and admit it, I have respect for you, standing with your candidate. Too many pretend to support Newt, only to trash Rick; those people are apparently embarrassed to admit they support romney; I don’t blame them.

Are you saying hold my nose and vote for romney?


16 posted on 04/07/2012 7:04:51 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: southphilly

When I see a vicious partisan running my country I will do anything to stop the attack even if that means putting a moderate in charge..... this past week gave me even more reason after the threats made to our judicial branch....


17 posted on 04/07/2012 7:15:14 AM PDT by Republic Rocker
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To: Linda Frances

You’re full of crap.


18 posted on 04/07/2012 7:19:58 AM PDT by Lucas McCain (Santorum sucks)
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To: Lucas McCain
If the GOP and the rinos want romney, they can have him. If they think we are lining up like good little conservatives to vote for their rino, their wrong. They assume we will vote for him to get rid of obama. Romney is no different than Obama and could hurt us long term. I'm calling their bluff and will vote third party or write in a candidate if romney wins the nomination. They don't care about conservatives, except to USE us for our vote and this conservative won't help them ruin this country.

Romney has yet to be vetted, but he will be by obama. Had Newt been able to talk about what went on with Bain, Newt would be the front runner, but the RNC said no. Apparently, they want Obama to do it.

How about his religion? Obama will have SNL doing conehead skits from Kolob. Catholics will love how they say Jesus is satans brother and Mary and God the Father had sex. Or how about that THEY think THEY are gods; lessor and greater......

Obama will question him as to why he had to destroy emails

WHAT WAS ROMNEY HIDING?
OBAMA WILL HAVE FUN INVENTING WHAT ROMNEY WAS HIDING.
Romney Admits He Destroyed Government Records To Keep Them From Political Opponents
By Alex Seitz-Wald on Nov 21, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Last week, a Boston Globe investigation uncovered that former Gov. Mitt Romney’s administration destroyed emails, purchased hard drives, and otherwise obliterated all digital records of his time as governor of Massachusetts. This happened as Romney was leaving the state to campaign for president (the first time), and observers immediately speculated that the systematic destruction was politically motivated to hide embarrassing data.....

Then we have the cheating in Iowa and other states. Iowa still has 8 different precincts who “lost” all their paperwork. Romney has his church people working the precincts. I'm sure they will miraculously be found when Romney needs them.

http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2012/01/06/appanoose-county-gop-chairman-im-confident-the-results-are-accurate

http://www.npr.org/2012/01/20/145500170/8-precinct-vote-totals-missing-from-iowa-caucuses

Supporting Medium: 

FOX News (video): Romney & GOP kept Gingrich off of Virginia ballot

Examiner: Ron Paul’s wife, Carol Paul says elections are being stolen

CSM: Did Mitt Romney steal Maine caucuses from Ron Paul?

BuzzFeed: “Outrage”: Ron Paul Manager Claim Conspiracy In Maine

Political Wire: Santorum Says Romney Rigged Straw Poll

WSJ: Paul Campaign Challenges Romney's Maine Win

Examiner: Maine vote fraud official

Examiner: Nevada vote fraud official

Examiner: Iowa vote fraud official

http://www.examiner.com/conspiracy-in-denver/romney-virginia-gop-commit-election-fraud-fox-news

19 posted on 04/07/2012 7:34:44 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Linda Frances

Stand strong, Linda Frances! The RomneyBots will browbeat us and try to frighten us into voting for their boy, but I for one refuse to get behind their loser candidate.


20 posted on 04/07/2012 7:42:42 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: Linda Frances

Liberal Mitt’s Greatest Hits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OQoBxZZPqU


21 posted on 04/07/2012 7:51:05 AM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: COBOL2Java

Thanks for letting me borrow your quote and comments. I wonder if there are ANY romney supporters who are proud to call him their candidate. I have yet to find any here; probably anywhere. Romney can’t beat obama and any intelligent non-partisan person can see that.


22 posted on 04/07/2012 7:51:18 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Where did all the romney supporters go?


23 posted on 04/07/2012 8:13:06 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Linda Frances

Waiting for easier prey, I guess. If they can’t convince you, they try to frighten you, and if that doesn’t work they mock you and go on.


24 posted on 04/07/2012 10:47:51 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: Linda Frances
I don't like Romney, but I don't think the religious issue is going to pan out like you think.

I think Obama will be hesitant to bring it up because that opens the door to Jeremiah Wright becoming an issue again.

Also, why would you think the economy would nose-dive in '13? Romney would be better than the economy than Obama.

25 posted on 04/07/2012 11:51:05 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Linda Frances

I suppose I should have been more specific. Your reply does not address my comment, i.e. that you are full of crap. The crap to which I alluded was your assertion that those of us who have supported Newt were actually surreptitiously supporting Romney. In my case, and I suspect among the vast majority of other Newt supporters, that is unmitigated crap.

I have never supported Romney and am at the edge of despair at the likely prospect that he will be the nominee. For that, I blame Santorum for siphoning off conservative votes from the candidate who could have really made a difference: Newt Gingrich.

Actually, I blame Santorum along with all the numbskulls who who voted for him. Such as yourself.


26 posted on 04/07/2012 8:13:35 PM PDT by Lucas McCain (Santorum sucks)
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To: SoFloFreeper

ABO!!!! the pofs idiots who plan on staying home can F off!


27 posted on 04/07/2012 8:19:29 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Linda Frances

I hate myth, but I know Obama seeks an end to America. ABO!!!


28 posted on 04/07/2012 8:21:22 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Linda Frances
II am an ABO supporter. I was disappointed with the field from the beginnning, wanted Cain...

I know that four more years of Obama is a deadly awful horror. I remember being warmly supportive of Bush only to discover that his family is ashamed of conservatism and only used it to advance their ambitions. Palin refused to run, Rubio seems to be refusing even the VP

I'm thinking a Romney with a base that's deeply suspicious of him is better than an Obama who is unrestrained by any need to be re elected is a better scenario. I am a conservative who has no illusions of any heaven on earth.

Want your children in an America with eight years of Obama?

29 posted on 04/07/2012 10:29:52 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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30 posted on 04/07/2012 10:34:09 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: what's up
Obama will only have to mention he is a Christian (remember he went to church on Easter, so that proves it) and then drop hits about crazy things mormons believe. The media will do all the work; specials on mormons.....
They will clearly define what mormons believe vs. (his Christian beliefs, even though he does not walk the walk) They did not bring up obamas pastor before and they won't bring it up again. Remember they control the media. I can see the specials now directed toward certain groups.

Look on the internet now. USA, Huffington Post, Yahoo...has news stories on strange things mormons say and DO.

They can only read “approved church material”, thus they are controlled, brainwashed.....

Christian/Catholics:

Mormons believe Jesus is satans brother, Mary and God the Father had sex (these first two will anger Christians-I know people who liked romney until they heard about these beliefs-even people who are cafeteria Catholics will be outrraged), they baptize the dead: John the Baptist, Anne Frank and other famous Jews, Abraham Lincoln...... pushing THEIR beliefs on the dead, people who have no say in the matter. Christians will know mormon baptism of the dead doesn't really change anything-it’s the arrogance of it because they are trying to change Christians, Catholics, Jews into Mormons, when THEIR choice was to be who they were. Mormons believe that their less than two hundred year old beliefs told by a 14 year old boy, are right and over 3000 years of traditional Judeo Christians beliefs are wrong and, like Islam, they believe the world world must be converted to mormonism.

Truth is determined by feelings; thus the truth changes as a persons feelings change, and it's scary to think the multitudes that will believe and follow whatever they are told to follow and believe, even someone mentally deranged.

Worse of all, they believe they are gods; lessor and greater. Mormons believe that God created multiple worlds and each world has people living on it. They also believe that multiple Gods exist but each has their own universe. We are only subject to our God and if we obtain the highest level of heaven we can become gods ourselves. I can see SNL skits with coneheads and John the Baptist arguing that he is not mormon, but christian on planet Kobal.

Romney will NEVER win against Obama.

The economy will nose dive because romney is a liberal and will do what he did in MA. He has lied about who he is what he believes, but made a terrible mistake. He said and did things after he had his “conversion” which proves he's lying. He pushed through legislation saying the judged made him do it and lawyers have already pointed out what he said is not true, he did it on his own. ......The obama media will point this out over and over and over, until Nov.

My bible tells me to “be as wise as serpents and harmless as doves”, in other words don't trust everyone. romney lied like obama, cheated like obama, stole like obama, destroys innocent people like obama. He's heartless and cruel;partial-birth abortion. He does not believe homosexuality is a sin and promotes it; goes after the boy scouts........

He has spit in the face of conservatives and his people said romney does NOT have to reach out to the base, they will vote for him; again his arrogance. He is moving left already. I imagine he will reach out to the base and apologize....when he sees he is losing, but we already know the games he plays and won't be part of those games.

He brought and paid for EVERY vote and endorsement. I guess it's time for people to wake up and see what ALL liberals are doing to our country. A vote for romney is a vote for obama. I'm not blind and can use discernment; we know what I get with both. I have never cast a vote for a pro-abortion, anti-family......and I won't start now. If the RNC has changed so much this is what they are pushing, then I and many like me will find a new party.

31 posted on 04/09/2012 7:01:08 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

If you choose romney or obama, you apparently have not studied romney; they are the same beast, just different colors, I don’t mean physically. I don’t know if you are Christian (when I say that I don’t mean mormon-christian, I mean Christian) but I am told to use discernment. I think in some ways romney is worse than obama. We know what we get with obama. What happens when a mormon bishop who believes, like islam, mormons should convert the whole world and that he is fulfilling a prophesy.


32 posted on 04/09/2012 7:07:07 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Linda Frances

While I disagree with Mormon theology vigorously, your assertion is delusional.

How many times was George Romney elected governor of Michigan? Two? Three? Last I looked, Michigan wasn’t rampant with Mormons.

The bigotry you display is repulsive. I understand disagreeing with Romney on healthcare, but Mormonism is not a threat to America.

Mormons were at the forefront of the fight for traditional marriage in California...they weren’t promoting polygamy, but monogamy.


33 posted on 04/09/2012 9:38:08 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

You apparently have met the “nice, family friendly mormons”. Have you ever met one or ones who viciously attack and say Christians have the wrong bible? That Paul should not be listened to, because of his insistance that we not believe another gospel and that their prophet is correct and “who is Paul anyway, that he should be listened to.”


34 posted on 04/09/2012 10:27:21 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Linda Frances
You don't have to tell me the MSM wants to use Mormonism against Romney...that's quite obvious.

However, I still think that the ploy will not go as far as they want because then Jeremiah Wright and liberation theology is fair game and the Breitbart/Drudge/Fox wing is stronger than you think at this point vs. the MSM.

As far as Romney trashing the economy...he will be an improvement over Obama. I don't think he's going to give us massive debt packages especially with the GOP House and perhaps Senate going GOP.

We could have the weakest GOP nominee in the WH and congress will still do its work...and that combination will be better than we have now.

No, I don't like Romney. However, he will be an improvement.

35 posted on 04/09/2012 10:48:17 AM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

msnbc has already started to tell the mormon story. Fox will help romney, like they have been for months, but the rest of the media will protect obama and his pastor. 20/20, entertainment tonight, even sitcoms will start talking about mormons and their beliefs, not to mention liberal news outlets. Why would this change, UNLESS, they think romney is a liberal like obama and will do their bidding. Either way, romney is a loser.


36 posted on 04/09/2012 10:57:43 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Linda Frances
Why would this change, UNLESS, they think romney is a liberal

MSNBC won't change but the rest of the MSM will be wary.

And I already told you why but you don't want to listen.

37 posted on 04/09/2012 11:08:24 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Lucas McCain
I did not vote yet, so I did not vote for Rick. Yet. Newt won one state? He has been getting 4-11%. He NEVER had a chance because romney spent millions destroying him and Rick. A few of you try to say Newt would have won, and blame Rick, but the numbers PROVE different. Anyone can see that Newt died out a long time ago. Santorum has been losing states that romney will NEVER get, because obama will get them-blue state. In the red states romney has been spending millions (and his church people) to take out anyone who is his opponent. He's been buying votes and endorsements.

I am not saying who, but suddenly, SOME posters have been suggesting the primary is over and now we have to support romney. We even had a post that read the primary is over and romney won. The primary is not over and if Newt and Santorum wants to go to the convention, they should. It took hours, but I went back over years of post and see we have romney supporters and mormons in hiding everywhere. I will not say who they are, as they apparently are embarrassed about their candidate, but anyone can do what I did and see who is playing games here. As one person said , romney has his foot soldiers in the mormon church doing all their work. That includes invading various blogs. If someone supported romney all along why hide it? Are they embarrassed by him or are they using democrat tactics to befriend freepers, saying they support Newt or someone else and now its over and we must all give up. Besides that romney never reached out to conservatives and will never, as we were told in the religious leaders meeting in January. We were also told we WILL vote for romney. Wow, that almost sounds likef dictator obama and his cohorts. He is so arrogant.

And that nasty base. Those conservatives who believe in God and the bible, just better put that away and vote like the GOP, Rove, coulter, drudge, some freepers here say. After all, beating obama is more important than your belief in God. Don't talk about over 50 million babies dying to abortion, forget that God said homosexuality is wrong. We are voting for president not priest—so all you people who believe in God should not have a vote, right? Oh wait, the Constitution, does talk about God and NEVER mentions the separation of church and state; some liberal judges gave us that. You don't need the base right? Ok.

People, who have seen the light on romney, say we must stop obama. Why? He's pro-abortion—so is romney. He's pro-gay marriage—so is romney. He's a liberal spender—so was romney. He lies-so did romney. He cheats—so did romney. He steals—so did romney. He will appoint liberal judges—SO DID ROMNEY. He will gave us obamacare-romney gave us romneycare. obama supports global warming—so did romney.

I don't know why I'm telling you this, but Santorum became increasingly more conservative as the years went by, and was far more conservative as a Senator representing the entire state than he had been as a Republican Congressman representing the heavily Democratic 18th District. His Lifetime Senate ACU average is 92.1%.

His 12 Senate ACU ratings year-by-year:

‘95-—83%
‘96-—95%
‘97-—84%
‘98-—84%
‘99-—88%
‘00-—100%
‘01-—100%
‘02-—95%
‘03-—90%
‘04-—96%
‘05-—92%
‘06-—96%

Go ahead trash him to help romney. You are for your guy and I and many freepers here are for our guy. Use your liberal tactics to slam Christians. The mormon bashing has already started and they have plenty of ammunition.

I and many like me will NOT vote for a liberal who is just like obama. At least I can stand up and admit who I back..

38 posted on 04/09/2012 11:37:49 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: what's up

MSNBC won’t change but the rest of the MSM will be wary.


You are kidding right? ALL of MSM except fox will take out romney to help obama. Have you been alive the last several years? They will expose and have already started to talk about the teachings of the mormons that look really bad. Do you have a TV?

And I already told you why but you don’t want to listen.


Romney can’t win & most of the base will NEVER vote for him.


39 posted on 04/09/2012 11:56:08 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Linda Frances
have already started to talk about the teachings of the mormons that look really bad

Already addressed...guess you're still not listening to sense.

40 posted on 04/09/2012 12:37:21 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

Your just like romney-arrogant. “Listen to me I’m right and your wrong” Vote like you say right? That was the first thing that turned me from romney. His arrogance.


41 posted on 04/09/2012 12:39:58 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Linda Frances
No, not "listen to me I'm right".

Rather, you don't address my reasoning with logical remarks, but keep parroting your line.

You've got the "listening to me I'm right and you're wrong" attitude. Look in the mirror before you accuse.

42 posted on 04/09/2012 12:43:29 PM PDT by what's up
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To: SoFloFreeper

Imagine McCain...WITHOUT Palin......that’s why McCain told Romney to book her as HIS VP. He knows no base, no coattails, no Senate , no WH.

About the only observation McCain has ever made with which I 100% agree with BTW..


43 posted on 04/09/2012 12:50:15 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Linda Frances

While I disagree with Mormon theology vigorously, your assertion is delusional.

How many times was George Romney elected governor of Michigan? Two? Three? Last I looked, Michigan wasn’t rampant with Mormons.

The bigotry you display is repulsive. I understand disagreeing with Romney on healthcare, but Mormonism is not a threat to America.

Mormons were at the forefront of the fight for traditional marriage in California...they weren’t promoting polygamy, but monogamy.

(you ignored all these assertions to keep up the Mormon bashing)

Also:

Romney won’t run 4 straight deficits of $1 Trillion or more—something Obama has done.

And he won’t piss on our friend Israel.

And he won’t go around the country telling Americans capitalism doesn’t work.

And he won’t bow to a Saudi king.


44 posted on 04/09/2012 3:15:58 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper
Please tell me what is not true that I have stated about mormon beliefs or where my documentation is wrong.

Are you saying that the media will not reveal to the public what mormons believe to hurt Romney and to help Obama? Or are you saying what I wrote about mormon beliefs is not true? Did I lie? What is not true that I stated? I don't see telliing the truth as mormon bashing.

Mormons can and do get elected and left alone, but when they are running against obama, anything the DNC and the leftist media find on anyone will be thrown at them. I was trying ot make a point to someone what romney will be attacked on and where he is venerable. Many Christians do not know details of mormonism. When people find out what they believe, many are insulted, I know I am. Calling Jesus satans spiritual brother and saying Mary and God the Father had sex and Jesus is their son is blasphemous to many Christians. They baptize the dead, or is that not true? They believe they are gods and that their are millions of gods. Most people do not know these facts. Obama will make sure Christians know this. Please tell me what is not true here? Mormons believe they should convert everyone to mormonism. This is true also.

I not say anything about polygamy. ???

Romney is not a conservative. He has lied; Here the list of Massachusetts leaders letter below who said Romney lied repeatedly.

Judge Ned Kirby (ret.), former Assistant Minority Leader, Massachusetts Senate
Atty. Edgar Kelley, former Assistant United States Attorney, Massachusetts District
Atty. “Robert Paine,” author: “The Governor’s New Clothes; How Mitt Romney Brought Same-Sex Marriage To America”
Dr. William Greene, President, RightMarch.com
Dr. Ted Baehr, Chairman, Christian Film and Television Commission
Linda Harvey, President, Mission America*
Gary Glenn, President, American Family Association of Michigan*
Michael Heath, Executive Director, Christian Civic League of Maine*
Ray Neary, Director, Pro-Life Massachusetts (former President, Massachusetts Citizens for Life)
John O’Gorman, Member of the Board of Directors, Massachusetts Citizens for Life
Peter LaBarbera, Founder, Republicans For Family Values; President, Americans for Truth*
Diane Gramley, President, American Family Association of Pennsylvania
John Haskins, The Parents’ Rights Coalition
Gregg Jackson, Co-host, “Pundit Review,” author: “Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies,” contributor, TownHall.com,
William Cotter, President, Operation Rescue: Boston*
Brian Camenker, President, MassResistance
Mark Charalambous, Spokesman, CPF-Fatherhood Coalition, Massachusetts
Nedd Kareiva, President, Stop the ACLU Coalition
Phillip Magnan, President, Biblical Family Advocates
Rev. Earle Fox, D. Phil, (Oxford), President, Road to Emmaus, School of Judeo-Christian Apologetics (www.theroadtoemmaus.org)
Janet Folger, author, columnist, President, Faith2Action
Michael W. Calsetta, Former President, Conservative Democratic Alliance
Allyson Smith, Director, Americans for Truth-California*

The details and documentation of his lies are here.

A Stern Warning to the “Conservative Elites” about Mitt Romney

Through their silence, the elites are assisting a political cancer that has profound consequences for our children and grandchildren

We write the following because we must oppose the deception of the American people by powerful and influential conservatives. Many in the conservative grassroots no longer trust the “conservative” media, lawyers and leaders, whom they see as serving the GOP establishment regardless of the will of the conservative base, regardless of the truth.
 
Most of us are not allied with any presidential candidate. But we are troubled by the unethical and Orwellian cover-up of Mitt Romney’s role in catastrophic events in Massachusetts, once the cradle of American liberty. Actions he took as governor were beyond the pale. As Romney twice explained to the homosexual “Log Cabin” Republicans, it would take a Republican to enact their agenda ( www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2006/12/romneys_thought.html ).

Attorneys, journalists and pundits must be fearless and selfless watchdogs of politicians and guardians of democracy. This is a sacred trust that is being defiled. Silence about ugly truths, such as the points enumerated below, is a betrayal of the lofty status we claim in a constitutional republic. Pay the price of courage. Tell America the truth.

Phony Pro-Life “Conversion”

Issue # 1.  Mitt Romney established abortion as a “healthcare benefit” in his own government-run healthcare plan at $50 per abortion — after his supposed “pro-life conversion.” (http://www.mahealthconnector.org/portal/binary/com.epicentric.contentmanagement.servlet.ContentDeliveryServlet/About%2520Us/Connector%2520Programs/Additional%2520Resources/cc_benefits1220_pt234.pdf ) He created a permanent, official government role for an unelected Planned Parenthood representative on the health care board.

Issue #2.  Romney’s well-timed “pro-life” conversion for the Republican primary pulled a “states’ rights” committment out of nowhere to hedge his political bets. His claim that states’ rights trump the unalienable right to life is inconsistent and unprincipled: he simultaneously opposes an amendment to protect human life, but claims to support one to preserve marriage! What happened to Romney’s committment to “states’ rights?” 
 
Issue #3.  Unforced by anyone, Romney overruled his own Commissioner of Public Health and lied about state law in order to compel Catholic hospitals to issue abortifacient pills — in violation of their freedom of religion enshrined in the United States and Massachusetts Constitutions. Using exactly the crafty political theatre he employed to cover his actions on same-sex “marriage” and homosexual adoption, Romney posed as defender of the very thing he was destroying, gallantly “asking” the legislature to create a special “religious exemption” for Catholic institutions. Even Democrat former governor Mike Dukakis publicly agreed with Romney’s commissioner of public health that state law already grants a “religious exemption.”

“Gay Marriage,” Gay Adoption and Pro-Homosexuality Propaganda In Schools

Issue #1.  In another flagrant lie about the law, Romney told Catholic Charities’ adoption and foster agency they had to give children to homosexuals even when normal mother-father families were lined up to give them a home. Again, he deployed his standard smokescreen, gallantly proposing a “special exemption,” with a wink of his eye to the militantly pro-homosexuality legislature. Again, he got caught. Former governor Dukakis pointed out that the “state law” that Romney was citing as requiring gay adoption was non-existent. It was merely an executive regulation that a governor can rescind with a few strokes of his pen. Romney was apparently fulfilling secret 2002 campaign promises ( http://massresistance.blogspot.com/2007/12/is-romney-working-with-log-cabin.html ) to Republican homosexual power brokers whose endorsement he coveted and received. He had sought no backing from social conservatives. 
 
Issue #2.  Romney says the Boy Scouts should accept homosexual scoutmasters and that homosexuals have “a legitimate interest” in adopting or producing and raising children.
 
Issue #3.  Though Romney pretends he opposed homosexual “marriage,” he did the opposite. In 2002 he opposed a  marriage amendment that would have prevented homosexual “marriage.” 120,000 citizens, including his wife, son and daughter-in-law signed the amendment petition. Romney’s militant pro-homosexuality Republican predecessor, Governor Jane Swift, and Democrat legislators openly violated the constitution to deny the citizens their right to vote on the amendment. Even the ultra-liberal Massachusetts court ruled that they were violating their oaths and the Constitution. Romney failed to oppose their subversion of the law or to defend the people’s right to amend their own Constitution. ( www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/may/07051409.html )

Issue #4.  Since the notorious Goodridge court opinion discovering a constitutional right to “gay marriage,” Romney has methodically lied about the judges’ legal authority and his own legal duty to enforce the Constitution. As professor of jurisprudence Hadley Arkes pointed out, under the state Constitution, the court has no jurisdiction over marriage law. An opinion issued without jurisdiction is legally void and cannot be “enforced.” Romney also knew that the same judges had recently admitted they have no power over the legislature or governor.

The Legislature never “obeyed” the judges by changing the marriage statute to legalize “gay marriage.” Under the state constitution that was the end of the line. The court neither ordered nor even suggested any intervention by the governor. Many lawyers and law professors (including Hugh Hewitt: http://massresistance.blogspot.com/2007/12/hugh-hewitt-told-romney-to-defy-mass.html ) told Romney to ignore the unconstitutional Goodridge opinion and embarrass the judges. Mysteriously, Romney rejected their advice. Why? The New York Times finally revealed four years later that, to win a coveted endorsement, Romney secretly promised the homosexual Log Cabin Republicans in 2002 that he would not defend the constitution against an illegal attempt by the judges to sneak same-sex “marriage” past the voters. ( www.nytimes.com/2007/09/08/us/politics/08romney.html?_r=3&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin  )

When the Legislature did not legalize homosexual “marriage,” to fulfill his secret promise, Romney claimed that the judges had. This is a blatant lie plainly refuted by the state constitution Romney swore to uphold! He quickly found willing “conservative” lawyers, pundits and “pro-family leaders” to back him up. Rather than challenge the motives, integrity and “expertise” of their own friends and colleagues, most of the conservative establishment suddenly went silent. Ignoring his oath to faithfully enforce the statutes, Romney ordered officials to violate the marriage statutes and perform homosexual “marriages.” His Department of Public Health illegally bypassed the legislature by changing the marriage certificates from “husband” and “wife” to “Party A” and “Party B.”

Romney gave orders that illegally usurped the exclusive constitutional authority of the Legislature, as proven in this devastating “Letter to Governor Mitt Romney from Pro-Family Leaders.” ( www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/dec_letter/letter.pdf   ). He violated multiple Articles of the Massachusetts Constitution, including one of the most vital principles of American government, which John Adams stated more forcefully than anywhere else in American law:

“In the government of this commonwealth…the executive shall never exercise the legislative and judicial powers, …the judicial shall never exercise the legislative and executive powers,  …to the end it may be a government of laws and not of men. — Article XXX, Part The First

We deplore the glaring refusal of the “conservative” establishment to face the implications of a devastating article by a leading constitutional scholar, illuminating why pro-establishment attorneys have covered up Romney’s unconstitutional actions:

“The deeper failure must go to the man who stood as governor, holding the levers of the executive. And if it is countdown for marriage…it is countdown also for Mitt Romney, whose political demise may be measured along the scale of moves he could have taken and the record of his receding, step by step… [I]t became clear that even conservative lawyers had come to incorporate, and accept, the premises that gave to the courts a position of supremacy in our constitutional schemes.” — Hadley Arkes, Professor of Jurisprudence, Amherst College ( The Missing Governor, National Review Online May 17, 2004 )

We equally deplore the refusal to acknowledge the obvious truth in highly respected conservative attorney Phyllis Schlafly’s assessment:

“Massachusetts public officials … are groveling before the four judges… (Romney) said: ‘We obviously have to follow the law as provided by the [Court] and … decide ‘what kind of statute we can fashion which is consistent with the law.’
But what ‘law’? There is no law that requires or even allows same-sex marriages.” — Phyllis Schlafly ( It’s Time To Rebuke The Judicial Oligarchy (EagleForum.org, Dec. 3, 2003 )

Schlafly was right, as any honest and competent lawyer knows. The Massachusetts Constitution powerfully refutes Romney’s entire story that the judges changed marriage law and forced him to give unconstitutional orders:

“[T]he people of this commonwealth are not controllable by any other laws than those to which their constitutional representative body have given their consent.” Article X, Part the First of the Massachusetts Constitution

“The power of suspending the laws, or the execution of the laws, ought never to be exercised but by the legislature…” Article XX, Part the First of the Massachusetts Constitution

Mitt Romney created homosexual “marriage.” His “conservative” legal experts are aggressively covering up both his role and the plain language of the Supreme Law of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

Issue #5.  Though Romney admitted the Goodridge opinion was not based on the Constitution and that the judges had exceeded their power, he opposed a citizen’s drive to remove the four rogue judges who violated their oaths. ( http://massresistance.blogspot.com/2007/09/iowa-patriots-seek-to-remove-gay.html )

Issue #6.  Though Romney says same-sex “marriage” will damage religious freedom and harm children, who need both a mother and a father, he personally issued more than 190 special one-day certificates to allow homosexual “marriages” to be performed by legally unqualified persons. He claims he was “just applying the marriage statutes evenly.” But as Phyllis Schlafly reminded America, and even the outlaw Goodridge judges admitted, the Massachusetts statutes do not allow homosexual “marriages,” despite Romney’s false claim that the court “legalized” homosexual “marriage. Moreover, a governor is not obliged to issue any special marriage certificates to anyone. Since Romney says same-sex “marriage” will harm children and erode religious freedom, why did he violate the marriage statutes and issue hundreds of special permits? ( www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/ )

Issue #7.  As governor, to please Massachusetts’ militant homosexual groups, Romney aggressively BOOSTED government funding for pro-homosexuality indoctrination, starting in kindergarten. He refused to defend schoolchildren and parents’ rights against this indoctrination. He refused to order his education officials to obey the law guaranteeing that parents’ can protect their children from sexual brainwashing. ( www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/ ) This is a continuation of his views since 1994 when he opposed congressional efforts to protect children by banning federal funding to public schools that encourage “homosexuality as a positive lifestyle alternative.” His deference to militant homosexual groups’ “right” to indictrinate other people’s children was jaw-dropping:

“I think that’s a dangerous precedent in general. I would have opposed that. It also grossly misunderstands the gay community by insinuating that there’s an attempt to proselytize a gay lifestyle on the part of the gay community. I think it’s wrong-headed…”  ( www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2006/12/romneys_thought.html )

With their silence about the illegal actions and toxic legacy of Mitt Romney, the elites are assisting a political cancer that has profound consequences for our future. If anyone has convinced themselves that so-called “same sex marriage” is a fringe issue and not a grave threat to the rule of law and to children they should read Maggie Gallagher’s stunning article “Banned in Boston.” They should also investigate the pro-homosexuality indoctrination of Massachusetts children (“It’s 1984 in Massachusetts – And Big Brother Is Gay”) which had been covert, but in the aftermath of Romney’s illegal orders imposing homosexual marriage, is swallowing up parents’ most fundamental right to protect their children and control their moral education. To remain silent about the re-engineering of the human family and child psychology, and the active and dishonest role Romney has played, is a dereliction of our highest duties. 

We are among those who believe that same-sex “marriage,” homosexual adoption and pro-homosexuality indoctrination of schoolchildren hasten the decline of Western Civilization in its most crucial aspects, whether the elites face that and comprehend it or not. Yet many who have the greatest obligation are cowering in the shadows or even aiding the deception. Our silence is a fatal abdication of duty to our children and future generations, a breech of faith. It is a betrayal of the honor of young soldiers dying overseas for principles that we decided in our hearts long ago require no profound sacrifice from the elites.

The truth is this: Mitt Romney’s fictional defense of natural marriage, childhood innocence, life in the womb and constitutional governance is sustained only by our silence in the face of overwhelming propaganda. Edmund Burke famously said, “All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
 
Dante went further: “The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality.”

It is very telling of today’s “conservatism” — an endless regression of sophist ironies and nuances, dissolving, in the end, into absolutely nothing at all — that dire warnings from ancient voices seem like faint, distant echoes bouncing absurdly against rock walls far below our feet, beneath a precipice that we scaled long ago in the conceits of our modern conservative minds. 

To continue in silence or in support of the craftiness and ruthless ambition of Willard Mitt Romney betrays generations past, present and future, including our own children and grandchildren.

Pay the price of courage, friends. Tell America the truth. 

45 posted on 04/09/2012 8:26:54 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Linda Frances

a long post that never addressed my point. what. evah. you make no headway unless you speak to the issues we raised.

most of us are anti-obama, not wild about romney.

we will probably have to choose between those two...and we’ll make the choide to fire obama.

bye, frances. your name fits.


46 posted on 04/10/2012 12:11:24 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’m sorry, I was being an ass yesterday. Forgive me. We might disagree on Romney, but I was using Mormon beliefs to hurt. I was wrong.


47 posted on 04/10/2012 5:05:08 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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