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Why don't black Americans swim?
BBC News ^ | 7th April 2012 | Finlo Rohrer

Posted on 04/07/2012 2:43:19 PM PDT by the scotsman

'A month ago, six African-American teenagers drowned in a single incident in Louisiana, prompting soul-searching about why so many young black Americans can't swim.

When 15-year-old DeKendrix Warner accidentally stepped into deeper water while wading in the Red River in Shreveport, he panicked.

JaTavious Warner, 17, Takeitha Warner, 13, JaMarcus Warner, 14, Litrelle Stewart, 18, Latevin Stewart, 15, and LaDarius Stewart, 17, rushed to help him and each other.

None of them could swim. All six drowned. DeKendrix was rescued by a passer-by.

Maude Warner, mother of three of the victims, and the other adults present also couldn't swim.

The US has almost 3,500 accidental drownings every year, almost 10 a day. But according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the fatal drowning rate of African-American children aged five-14 is three times that of white children.

A recent study sponsored by USA Swimming uncovered equally stark statistics. Just under 70% of African-American children surveyed said they had no or low ability to swim. Low ability merely meant they were able to splash around in the shallow end. A further 12% said they could swim but had "taught themselves".

The study found 58% of Hispanic children had no or low swimming ability. For white children, the figure was only 42%.

"It is an epidemic that is almost going unnoticed," says Sue Anderson, director of programmes and services at USA Swimming.

The swimming body would like all children to be taught to swim.

"We would like it to be like seatbelts and bicycle helmets," says Ms Anderson.

But the situation in the US can vary hugely even within a single state.'

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


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To: the scotsman

Ask Campanis?

Seriously, Mr. Campanis was instrumental for getting Jackie Robinson on his team and, in doing so, put himself in great peril.

For people 40 years later to us his awkward interview (he was probably in the latter stages of Alzheimer’s) was crap and an insult to his distinguished career.


51 posted on 04/07/2012 3:08:46 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: the scotsman

Swimming pools are expensive and less likely to be found in poor neighborhoods. Swimming lessons aren’t cheap either.

My husband and I have invested thousands of dollars and thousands of hours so our children could participate in a swim club.

Personally, if I was ruler of the universe, I’d require all school systems to have an indoor pool and replace gym with swim. I think most of the sports taught in P.E. are a waste of time because almost none of them can be done to promote phyiscal fitness on a lifelong basis.

Swimming is the perfect exercise even when you’re an arthritic old fart.


52 posted on 04/07/2012 3:10:12 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: fatrat
This is not news, it happened august of 2010 see link:

An agenda-driven rehash of an old racism story???? We'll probably see a host of these kinds of old articles dredged up by the "MSM" leading up to the election.

[[ Note: I've started putting "MSM" in quotes, because, you know....they AREN'T. ]]

53 posted on 04/07/2012 3:10:29 PM PDT by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: Valpal1

>>Personally, if I was ruler of the universe, I’d require all school systems to have an indoor pool and replace gym with swim. I think most of the sports taught in P.E. are a waste of time because almost none of them can be done to promote phyiscal fitness on a lifelong basis.<<

Wow, as ruler of the universe, your sights are rather low... ;)


54 posted on 04/07/2012 3:12:29 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: the scotsman
Didn't learn to swim as a child; but when I became a twenty-seven year old "typical white woman", I took swimming lessons at the local public pool.
55 posted on 04/07/2012 3:12:59 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: MarineBrat

My step-grandfather lived by Lake Erie...his mother wouldn’t let him in the water until he knew how to swim!


56 posted on 04/07/2012 3:14:36 PM PDT by RightLady (Liberty above all)
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To: mylife

During one of her heavy stages, probably so, if she’s comfortable enough in water to relax and allow it.


57 posted on 04/07/2012 3:14:54 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: mylife
Any Black Man or Woman to ever join the USN will learn to swim

There was one black guy in my husband's boot camp class and he couldn't swim. He learned, but it was a tough road.

58 posted on 04/07/2012 3:15:33 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Harold Shea
That is wonderful to be so civic minded.

Congratulations and thank you for all of you blood donations!

59 posted on 04/07/2012 3:16:26 PM PDT by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: Harold Shea
That is wonderful to be so civic minded.

Congratulations and thank you for all of you blood donations!

60 posted on 04/07/2012 3:16:31 PM PDT by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: Persevero
"It seems to me it can’t be helped until it is acknowledged, and there is nothing racist about it."

Sorry, but to me that smacks of the liberal attitude that blacks are incapable of taking care of themselves, making their own decisions, and so WE have to take them in hand and do something for them.

My local Y had some kind of outreach program to urge blacks to learn to swim. Why? They know they'll drown if they go in the water without knowing how. But shouldn't they be able to choose whether they learn? They KNOW swimming lessons exist and apparently choose not to take advantage of them. Their choice.

61 posted on 04/07/2012 3:16:53 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: the scotsman

White devil is responsible.


62 posted on 04/07/2012 3:18:56 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: YankeeReb
"Does anyone else read stories like this and feel like they fell down a rabbit hole, and the country has turned into an insane asylum?"

Yes. Happens all the time now.

63 posted on 04/07/2012 3:19:13 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: Dianna

Some people just panic.


64 posted on 04/07/2012 3:19:45 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Persevero
Some years ago a sportswriter wrote a book that caused a giant uproar. The book looked at why some nationalities were better at some sports than others.

He pointed out that blacks have a heavier/denser skeletal frame so that they don't get injured as much running, etc. However, (now he didn't say that but I came to the conclusion) that would make them heavier in the water. There are very few Olympic swimmers that are black. (This man didn't just focus on blacks, he went into the physical frames of, say, Asians and how they are basically made for gymnastics and diving --- stuff like that.

I found it interesting because he was looking at the differences in the physical bodies of different ethnic groups and how that affected which sports they were good at. Of course, it was immediately called "rascist" and the man became a pariah. Such sillines.

It may simply also be a case that minority parents just don't see this as a priority for their children where, whites do. Maybe the parents just need to be educated in how important it is for the child to be able to swim, even just a little.

65 posted on 04/07/2012 3:20:07 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: the scotsman

Swimming was invented by the black Egyptians, but then it was stolen from them by the Greeks and the Romans.


66 posted on 04/07/2012 3:20:21 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: JudyinCanada
the only people i know that had swimming lessons, were on the swim team at school... but they already knew how to swim
67 posted on 04/07/2012 3:21:04 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Most of swimming is learning to relax.


68 posted on 04/07/2012 3:21:38 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: RegulatorCountry
There are occasional cultural issues as well, with getting ones face and hair wet.

I never thought of that. Black people don't shower and shampoo as often as white people because they don't HAVE to. Black African skin doesn't excrete as much oil as White European skin. If Black people shower and shampoo as often as White people do their skin dries out and gets itchy. We had a young Black woman living in our home for a while and this is what she told us. (And yes, she was meticulously clean.)

Anyway, it makes sense that if a person doesn't have to stick his head under water every day like I do he might not be as comfortable with water on his face.

69 posted on 04/07/2012 3:21:43 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I tried to buy a hoodie today but the store manager said they had all been shoplifted.)
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To: Valpal1
"Swimming pools are expensive and less likely to be found in poor neighborhoods. Swimming lessons aren’t cheap either."

Well, I guess that's it......Moochelle will make "pool deserts" her next project.

70 posted on 04/07/2012 3:23:11 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: the scotsman

I learned in the shower how to to swim upstream against a strong current.


71 posted on 04/07/2012 3:23:14 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Shower not bath??????? ? ?? Who knew?)
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To: Sirius Lee
We swamp yankees learned by being launched off thirty feed of rope swing

My late father told me his first swimming lesson was his uncle taking him to the deep end and throwing him in, while he shouted, SWIM!

As it happens, my father taught me to ride a bike by putting me on one, pushed me down the drive and yelled PEDAL!

72 posted on 04/07/2012 3:23:56 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Josa

I was taking swimming class at a local pool and the instructor tested us for buoyancy. The one black guy in the class went right under.


73 posted on 04/07/2012 3:24:04 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: the scotsman

I don’t know about swimming, but when I played high school baseball, the teams from the inner-city schools didn’t wear baseball caps, they wore shower caps - to protect their hairdos and Jerry-curls.


74 posted on 04/07/2012 3:25:28 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Josa

Speaking in generalities (there are always exceptions), Blacks do have a denser bone and muscle structure than those of European ancestry. Quite some time back in another career, I was a swimming instructor at the Recruit Training Pool at Parris Island. Every Marine recruit went in the water. Those who could not swim got a couple of days of instruction before testing. As one who was in the water with them, and sometimes going to the bottom to retrieve them, a far higher percentage of Blacks than Whites simply did not have positive buoyancy.

That does not mean they cannot learn to swim, only that it’s a tougher process. BTW, the second fastest swimmer among the instructors was Black, but even he could not float without arm and leg movement. (Modesty prevents me from identifying the fastest swimmer).


75 posted on 04/07/2012 3:26:11 PM PDT by AbnSarge
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To: Valpal1
My parents bought me a bicycle and I rode it to the river and also the beach. (Also rode it to school when there wasn't any snow plus countless errands for my parents) Learned to swim by myself.

Bicycle = $60.00

Swimsuit = $10.00

Life time investment = $70.00

76 posted on 04/07/2012 3:26:11 PM PDT by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: Thorliveshere

Pool?
I learned in the Ohio River.


77 posted on 04/07/2012 3:26:11 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Valpal1
My parents bought me a bicycle and I rode it to the river and also the beach. (Also rode it to school when there wasn't any snow plus countless errands for my parents) Learned to swim by myself.

Bicycle = $60.00

Swimsuit = $10.00

Life time investment = $70.00

78 posted on 04/07/2012 3:26:28 PM PDT by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: Chode

I remember freezing my little four year old butt off taking swim lessons in an outdoor pool in May, myself.

If you can’t swim, stay out of the water and certainly don’t go out on a fishing boat drunk at night.

That’s by far and away the greatest source of drowning deaths locally. Drunk fishermen, one topples in, and possibly even drowns another trying to save him. Neither are found until daybreak. A good ten or twenty of those every year.


80 posted on 04/07/2012 3:27:39 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: the scotsman

In the Navy, we had to pass swim quals, I was a pretty good swimmer and tried to teach some black friends. They sank like rocks. They could never do a simple back float and when they did learn to swim,they had to work twice as hard just to keep on top of the water.


81 posted on 04/07/2012 3:27:45 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: the scotsman

I can hear it now... Water is racist!


82 posted on 04/07/2012 3:28:02 PM PDT by sit-rep
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To: RightLady
My step-grandfather lived by Lake Erie

As did all my American ancestors. My mom hung out at the beach and was a good swimmer. My dad was a city boy and was afraid of the water. One time as a WWII Combat Engineer Commando he was in a boat crossing a river so they could take the beachhead and build a bridge in time for the front to catch up with them when they started taking Kraut machine gun fire. Everyone jumped out of the boat except Dad. He was hailed as a hero. He didn't bother mentioning that he was more terrified of drowning than getting shot.

83 posted on 04/07/2012 3:28:13 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I tried to buy a hoodie today but the store manager said they had all been shoplifted.)
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To: JudyinCanada
Swimming lessons cost money.

Most children who are put into water will be swimming in it within an hour. Lessons not required.

Swimming is no more difficult than walking. There is only one catch, don't panic or you die.

When I explained to my children that all they had to do to swim was hold their breath underwater until they could stand up again, they were off like fish. They started in the shallow end and were very soon diving in the deep end.

People are naturally buoyant, if they don't panic, they can swim.

84 posted on 04/07/2012 3:29:39 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Persevero

No one - NO ONE! - who lives on a planet that’s 7/10 water should not know how to swim. I don’t care what color you are.


85 posted on 04/07/2012 3:30:28 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: LibertarianLiz

Heck!
When my Dad taught me to swim, I thought I would drown for sure!
But once I got out of the burlap sack I was OK
What really sucked was those kittens that kept scratching me!


86 posted on 04/07/2012 3:30:46 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: MarineBrat

“It’s not rocket science, but parents must treat it as a rite of parenthood to teach their children to swim, or to have someone else teach them.”

Exactly right. My parents insisted that I sign up for swim class and learn. I also learned more swimming techniques in high school. The class was taught by a Guadalcanal Marine veteran who impressed on us the importance of knowing how to swim.

My swimming technique ain’t pretty, but I can bob in water like a cork.


87 posted on 04/07/2012 3:30:48 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: AbnSarge
he could not float without arm and leg movement.

Not even with full lungs?

88 posted on 04/07/2012 3:31:04 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I tried to buy a hoodie today but the store manager said they had all been shoplifted.)
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To: Dianna

Army too. I believe it’s a requirement for all memebers of the armed forces.


89 posted on 04/07/2012 3:31:57 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: AbnSarge

I couldn’t have been more than 10 when I got to ride the ditching simulator at the base pool at MCAS Beaufort.


90 posted on 04/07/2012 3:32:12 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1173 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: PGR88

I made the schools force them to wash out the Sulfa 8 before wrestling.

Sorry for the inconvenience, but I can’t get a headlock with that on your noggin.


91 posted on 04/07/2012 3:33:35 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: SampleMan
There is only one catch, don't panic or you die.

Relaxation really is the key to swimming. I don't recall ever being taught but I grew up in Michigan and was comfortable with water from the beginning.
92 posted on 04/07/2012 3:34:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: freedumb2003

Trust me, my ruler of the universe agenda is muuuch longer, but this thread is about swimming, so I only mention the swim instead of gym bullet point.


93 posted on 04/07/2012 3:34:49 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: Valpal1

I was taught to swim in a lake, no cost, by my uncle at age 5. One of my happiest memories.

Yes, our high school had a pool. My teacher told me only fat people can float. Really hated that class. I am lucky I knew how to swim already. We had rivers and falls and lakes; everybody swam.

I have had so many friends who are black just flat out tell me that black people do not swim, period. lol I have been told much of the time it is cuz of their hair. Seems silly, but whatever.

I have not gone swimming in probably almost 25 years, but I bet I could if I needed to. My son learned at a pool when he was about 4.


94 posted on 04/07/2012 3:36:27 PM PDT by ozaukeemom (No to Romney, no how, no way, no money, no vote)
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To: Valpal1; freedumb2003
my ruler of the universe agenda is muuuch longer

Could you add a little more rain in Phoenix, please?

95 posted on 04/07/2012 3:37:47 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I tried to buy a hoodie today but the store manager said they had all been shoplifted.)
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To: Valpal1

Good thing — I expect so much more from the ruler of the universe...

I tried it for a week, then got bored and tossed the job back to God (who looks not like George Burns nor Morgan Freeman).


96 posted on 04/07/2012 3:38:22 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: GreatRoad

Would YOU linger in ANY body of water in Africa? Hippos, crocs, poisonous snakes, and any number of other fauna desiring you for breakfast, lunch or dinner would likely keep you from swimming. The Lost Boys of Sudan, many of whom ended up in my city, say that they lost so many of their numbers to water-borne animals.


97 posted on 04/07/2012 3:40:28 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: dangerdoc

I had the same experience in Parris Island. I remember the swim instructors attempting to bolster the “dark green” Marines with words of encouragement.


98 posted on 04/07/2012 3:40:50 PM PDT by Hoboken (truth)
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To: PGR88

It is kind of surprising how many blacks are still in baseball since kids don’t play as much as we did when we were kids. For that matter its kind of surprising that there are still white guys in baseball.

(10-0 in the top of the 8th, Tigers over the Red Sox)


99 posted on 04/07/2012 3:40:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Sink like a rock even with full lungs, saw it myself.


100 posted on 04/07/2012 3:41:13 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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