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Trayvon Martin: No grand jury in case
Orlando Sentinel ^ | April 9, 2012 | Jeff Weiner and Walter Pacheco

Posted on 04/09/2012 9:59:57 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

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To: newnhdad

And what evidence is there for charging him?


41 posted on 04/09/2012 11:54:58 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Sherman Logan
You can present "evidence" to a grand jury that is inadmissible in a trial. Grand Juries on the state level heavily favor the prosecution's side for a host of reasons, the first of which is no judge or cross examination. I don't practice crim law and have limited experience with them, but it's far from favorable to a potential defendant.

An experienced prosecutor can get a GJ (sometimes single member) to indict just about anybody.

42 posted on 04/09/2012 11:55:35 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: newnhdad

Ihope they don’t take away Zimmerman’s right to carry a concealed weapon...coz’ he is gonna’ need that gun more than ever once this thing is settled...or at least until he can pull up stakes, change his name and appearance, etc.


43 posted on 04/09/2012 11:58:15 AM PDT by kiltie65 (ui)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This may be an indication of good news. Juries tend to be swayed by Oprah Winfrey and Nancy Grace and vote accordingly. They are not to be trusted. Of course, the judicial system is corrupt with many political appointees. The only hope is that there will be a prosecutor who is fair and not file charges.


44 posted on 04/09/2012 12:03:24 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: ltc8k6
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury...

Amazing how few know how to read with comprehension these days, especially in the legal, political and journalistic professions.

45 posted on 04/09/2012 12:08:30 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can't be both. Pick one.)
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To: Darren McCarty

I quite agree. However, a grand jury indictment (or decision not to indict) is at least something resembling due process, not just an administrative decision by a prosecutor.

At common law there used to be something called a coroner’s jury or inquest or something like that. It’s job was to determine the facts of the case, not file charges or indict or convict. Something similar might be a good idea in such cases.

We ought to be at least discussing the probable fact that had Zimmerman rather than Martin wound up dead on the ground, then Martin probably could have also successfully claimed self-defense.

This is perhaps inevitable, since whoever is dead is unable to dispute the version told by the survivor. And without the dead guy’s testimony there is very little evidence about who said or did what to whom.


46 posted on 04/09/2012 12:08:34 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Like others who follow what’s going on in the Martin killing, I am captivated by all the “speculation” of what happened, what may have happened and what should have happened. I don’t honestly believe that Mr. Zimmerman was intent on harming anyone that morning. Regardless of the outcome, Sharpton, Jackson. Obama and the legions of pathetic race baiters could channel their hate somewhere else. I’m always amazed when these self proclaimed “reverends” spew the most stupidity and hate. The Great Oz has spoken.


47 posted on 04/09/2012 12:39:27 PM PDT by WyCoKsRepublican
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To: Sherman Logan
Personally, I think the law should be changed so all such deaths should be presented to a grand jury which will make the decision whether charges are justified or not.

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Not good. The prosecutor has to have some discretion here. Imagine - if all cases involving a death went to a grand jury, then even a woman who had survived being raped and brutalized by killing her attacker in a case of clear self defense would be put through this ordeal.
48 posted on 04/09/2012 12:47:01 PM PDT by zencycler
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To: Oberon
Zimmerman’s going to have to skip town and change his name in any case... I’m beginning to thing it would be to his advantage to go on trial. If he never has his day in court, he won’t ever get a chance to clear his name.

I think it might have been an advantage to go to a grand jury, but is it possible to get justice in a trial in Florida under the circumstances? Jurors would probably fear death if they voted for Zimmerman in an open trial.

49 posted on 04/09/2012 1:02:51 PM PDT by A. Patriot (Have we lost our Republic? Do the majority of Americans care?)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

My bet is that she doesn’t prosecute. She has said from the beginning that she doesn’t need a grand jury. It’s her call.


50 posted on 04/09/2012 1:28:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I may be mistaken, but I think this is bad news for George Zimmerman.

From a political standpoint, or a 'peoples' will' standpoint, Angela Corey would have been best served to leave this matter to the Grand Jury. Whether the GJ indicted or chose to no-bill Zimmerman, she could say that the matter had been handled by the GJ and not her; that it was the decision made by people of Florida selected to serve on a Grand Jury after hearing evidence presented to them. So it seems as if she's not covering her political rear end.

Now she's personally responsible for the decision - any blowback or praise. Not charging Zimmerman is a gutsy thing and perhaps political suicide, if she ever plans to run for higher office. However, she can charge Zimmerman in accordance with (warped) public sentiment and that's what I suspect she'll do. My best guess is she'll charge Zimmerman and Zimmerman's defense will have to let the jury decide whether Florida's Stand Your Ground Law and the provisions of Florida Statutes 776.012 and 776.041 apply. There will be conflicting witness testimony, based on what we've heard.

She may also charge Zimmerman with some lesser offenses for which the Stand Your Ground law is not a defense - such as civil rights-type claims (I haven't done research on Florida's version of laws on depriving an individual of civil rights).

51 posted on 04/09/2012 1:44:30 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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I think she decided not to go the way of a grand jury because she fears the grand jury will not indict.

She can’t have that.

She MUST have a trial, and if Z is found not guilty, then she can just wash her hands of it and say; “I did what I could to convict the bad guy. . .it was the jury’s fault, not mine.”


52 posted on 04/09/2012 2:21:46 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Sherman Logan

If Zimmerman had ended up dead, maybe Martin would be back in Miami regaling his friends with how he jumped a “cracker” and shot him with his own gun...and the police in Sanford would have an unsolved homicide in their files.


53 posted on 04/09/2012 4:00:00 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Another possibility.


54 posted on 04/09/2012 4:11:31 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Jack Hydrazine

you can pose that question to the person that’s charging him tomorrow with whatever they can figure because they don’t want justice, they just want to avoid riots.


55 posted on 04/09/2012 5:24:14 PM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: newnhdad

Who will be charging him tomorrow?


56 posted on 04/09/2012 5:26:21 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

the DA that didn’t trust the GJ to come out with a cause to indict because the evidence is on the side of the “accused”...

I think that these people really want this to go away, regardless of the facts. I expect a process charge, like Scooter Libby and Bernie Goetz. If they charge him with a criminal act, I hope they take it to trial so the evidence can come out and the Zimmerman kid walks.


57 posted on 04/09/2012 5:39:12 PM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: A. Patriot
I think it might have been an advantage to go to a grand jury, but is it possible to get justice in a trial in Florida under the circumstances? Jurors would probably fear death if they voted for Zimmerman in an open trial.

Move the trial to Miami, and I think it might work out okay for him.

58 posted on 04/11/2012 8:31:06 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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