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Defending George Zimmerman with Facts
Opposingviews ^ | 5 April, 2012 | LegalBoom Not For Profit INC

Posted on 04/10/2012 6:48:34 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: egfowler3

If the records are anything like those for my phone, they show when the call started and how long it lasted. For billing purposes. So it ain’t hard to come up with a finish time.

51 posted on 04/11/2012 8:23:20 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Actually I was basing my reply on the ABC interview article linked to in your reply #31. There is a photo provided at that site of the girlfriend's supposed call record showing calls at 7:04 & 7:12, both incoming and neither showing the length of the calls.

I once worked for Sprint Telecom in their customer records and billing division and you are right, the phone companies do have the start, stop, length and more phone call information, but that is not what ABC shows in their photo. ABC implies that there was an ongoing continuous conversation, but the photo only indicates when the calls started and indicates nothing else whatsoever.

So, if the Florida law enforcement folk provide that information to the public, I will then believe the time line. However, I have no reason to trust media that use false or misleading information to boost their ratings.

52 posted on 04/11/2012 9:43:09 AM PDT by egfowler3 (Why do I even bother? No one's listening.)
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All the info is obviously available to develop an accurate timeline.

I doubt any in the MSM will be interested in doing so because it will likely weaken the case against Z.

Happily, we don’t need to depend on the MSM anymore and bloggers will put it together.

53 posted on 04/11/2012 9:49:03 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: djf
Just mentioning it because I don’t want fellow FReepers to automatically assume something a 911 operator says is “just a suggestion”. So people should check their local jurisdictions.

You are correct. My aunt was dispatcher for the Pasadena, Texas Police Dept. for more than 30 years. She carried her badge in her purse instead of on her chest but she most certainly was a LEO.

54 posted on 04/11/2012 10:07:42 AM PDT by houeto
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To: Aunt Polgara
I'm sorry. I was trying to point out that the claim made by Trayvon's GF of an ongoing conversation vs the statements by GZ that he was suddenly attacked without any warning do not fit. I think the GF heard exactly what happened and does not want the truth to be told, or someone is making her withhold the truth. Assuming, of course, there was a conversation at that time.

Of course there could have been an argument going on between TM and his GF and she could have been hung up on just prior to the "brawl".

I can see it now, Trayvon walking along with his cell phone in hand connected to him by a headset of some sort while talking to his girlfriend as he approaches Zimmerman and begins to argue. Now, I am in my 60's and a bit clumsy to boot. I've walked into my share of doors, walls, poles and such while talking on the phone. Yes, my headset, both wired and unwired, popped out of my ear on many of those occasions. And I quickly learned the phone was still on and I could put the headset back in my ear, apologize to the person on the other end and keep talking. So, as someone a week or so ago remarked, how did that headset (and attached phone) get turned off when the brawl/fight/beating started?????

My thoughts are that the phone was either on and she heard more than is being provided or it was off and she heard nothing whatsoever.

55 posted on 04/11/2012 10:09:04 AM PDT by egfowler3 (Why do I even bother? No one's listening.)
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To: Sherman Logan
I’m not an attorney and I’ve never played one on TV.

It's something I regret daily and apologize for almost daily.

You learn some law in law school, but at the larger law schools a lot of what they teach you is a system of thinking (that drives you crazy for the rest of your life and annoys everyone around you).

No matter what the law is, you can always find facts that make the law irrelevant. And no matter what the facts are, you need to know what the law is.

Then, the annoying part is that the words used in the law almost always have specific meanings, or require specific tests, given them through multiple appellate court opinions, that aren't the general meanings used in common conversation or found in normal dictionaries.

It's enough to drive you crazy (although for me, that would have been a short trip, even on foot).

56 posted on 04/11/2012 12:28:08 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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