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Posted on 04/10/2012 12:29:15 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
To hell with the GOP-e. Barring a miracle, they got their big government, unconstitutional mandate loving, socialist abortionist Obama-lite RINO on the ballot, they can now get him elected.
We are the resistance!!
Shove him down our throats today, we shove him up your donkeys in November!!
I can see November from my house!!
Never heard of them. Tell me more and do you have links?
From your lips to God's ear.
I sure hope that person reads FR.
Thanks for your exhortation.
I want Newt! I want Newt! I can only say that I will NOT vote for Obama. THAT I know for sure at this point. But I will vote.
Thank you, Marguerite!
Thank you, LUV W!
I was wondering how long it would be before the argument was bypassed for the author [me]. Congratulatiuons! You won!
Jim, as upset as I am that the idiots successfully pushed their RINO down our throats and held our noses and made us all waste our money and efforts to fight fight fight against it, and now forced us now to swallow, I really fear Obama’s second term.
I do believe that even a flipping RINO would be safer for our country than Obama.
Having watched Romney for the past 3.5 years since the last election, it was obvious he was running and it was obvious he had no cojones. At every current event, he was always the 5th or 6th to chime in with a safe opinion. Gov Palin was nearly always first with a strong opinion that I always agreed with. Romney is a loser. He’s not close to a conservative. I did not want him and I knew we would have a FIGHT to put him down. We did fight with what we had, as best we could.
This whole thing makes me sick.
But I need to fight off Obama. Obama LITE is better than Obama, full strength. Romney may be owned by some bad creatures but they are at least American. Those who brung Obama to the dance are our ENEMIES!
Will I be in trouble for believing we need to FIGHT OBAMA at all costs, even voting for the opponent? Will there be room for this opinion here? It’s your site, I respect it, but my heart and brain say WE LOST, THEY SHOVED HIM DOWN OUR THROATS, but now we have to fight Obama because he is far worse than Romney.
We have a SEPARATE FIGHT against the Republican party. I’d like to see a REAL TEA PARTY that is economically and socially CONSERVATIVE, focusing on what makes us America and what makes us great, OUR CONSTITUTION. We need a new party.
But for now, would it be OK around these parts to fight against Obama with our crappy nominee whom we did not want?
I wish a LOT of FReepers with early sign-up dates felt the same way...however they are swarming FR in supporting Mitt.
Is there a method to determine if the IP being used now is the same as the one used at sign-up? I have suspicions of Mitt's army taking over these accounts....it would be true to form.
With you ALL the way, Sir. It’s time.
Yes. If Newt made the nomination I’d vote for him in a heartbeat. If my vote for Newt ends up making one bit of difference by the time of the TX primary, I’ll be pleased.
Failing all that though, and presuming that Romney gets the nomination and also manages to not tick me off totally between now and Election Day, I won’t throw my vote away in November.
I’m sorry to say you are probably right. We aren’t getting a spitoons worth of help from them combined.
Thanks for your thoughtful exhortation.
Hey, I’m with you pal. I’m voting for ABO. No way is my vote against obama not going to count.
Vote Newt in the Texas Primary to stop Romney.
We need a brokered convention.
Not at all. I’ve been doing some praying of my own about this terrible situation.
Hey Onyx, old buddy, old pal!! Guess what? I will be voting Newt in CA after all!!! LOL. Rueful little laugh. But I’m not going to vote for this Rominee... unless I have to. Ugh.
“Yeah, Im at a loss of what to do at this point too. The only thing I do know is that I will vote. And it wont be for Romney OR Obama. How in the heck did we get here???”
A vote for anyone else IS a vote for Obama.
As disagreeable as Romney is, I don’t believe he wants to destroy the country, put hard-left nitwits on the Supreme Court and have the Government control everything you do from the moment you wake up to the moment it allows you to go to sleep.
He’s not the candidate I would want, but HE’S NOT OBAMA.
To pout and say “we’re not gonna vote!” ensures we’re going to get NONE of what we want. If Romney gets elected we get SOME of what we want... namely, Obama out of office.
Well said. I agree with you.
I’ve been all over this in my mind every which way from Sunday. Strongly considered not voting at all for the first time in my life. Mad as hell at the GOP, haven’t given them a penny in years, only donate to individual candidates.
BUT and it’s a HUGE BUT....the idea of a two-term Obama is unthinkable. It’s time to separate our love for the nation from our angst against the GOP. Their time is coming. But as for our nation, I fear it can’t survive another Obama term, even if the ‘Pubs have both chambers of Congress.
How about this then. If I vote for Romney, I will have the same thing as if I vote for Ubama.
You can lie to yourself and believe that a pro-abortion, pro-gun grabbing, pro-homosexual like Romney is somehow magically better than the pro-abortion, pro-gun grabbing, and pro-homosexual Obama.
Is that better!?
We plan to, onyx.
I will vote for someone who supports and defends the constitution of the United States.
I am sick of this, “Yeah but if you dont vote for the guy that wipes his feet on the constitution then that means you are really supporting the guy that uses it for toilet paper.”
Screw them both. No more compromising my values.
You are right. Rinos don’t win elections. Unfortunately, independents do. If conservatives alone had the numbers to win, we wouldn’t have obama now, would we?
You are darned toot’n!
Im really needing to be convinced that he has a chance in h*** to get the nomination. Right now I’m pretty scared because the GOP machine is so against him.
All I can say, is when they come for one of us we not repeat history, instead we stand tall and try to stop it before they take you, your neighbor then me! God Bless Quix
This thread certainly separates the wheat from the chaff. The chaff should be too busy working on Mitt’s campaign to post on FR anymore.
There is power in prayer and there are the three of us... more to follow.
Many even conservative patriotic folks do not yet seem to realize . . .
there is NO “winning” . . . particularly from honest votes in an honest election.
It is all predecided, SElected, chosen, appointed.
1883: What part has Skull & Bones played in our elections? Professor Carroll Quigley was President Clinton’s mentor, and in Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World In our Time the professor revealed that William C. Whitney (S&B) and others, in the late 19th century, developed a plan to control both major political parties through financial contributions and have the two main parties alternate power so the public would think it had a choice. Professor Quigley said Whitney’s plan lasted about 16 years, and after that, the “Eastern Establishment” (power elite) moved the Democrat and Republican presidential candidates toward the political center:
Berit’s comment: These historical facts are not included in American social studies! But it’s not too late to take a look at the roots and rulers behind today’s political, economic, cultural and spiritual transformation. These handpicked leaders were chosen and groomed for their future roles as single-minded, pragmatic globalist change agents. According to their strengths and ideological compliance, they are placed where they’re needed — in banks, the media, U.S. Congress, government bureaucracies, etc. They despise our faith and values! In recent decades, potential young leaders have been brought together to be trained and tested at every UN Conference and many other global events.
29.”The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self createdscreen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties.” New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922
37.”Today the path of total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government - a bureaucratic elite.” Senator William Jenner, 1954
33.”For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn’t. Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign Relations-One World Money group. Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared “ammunition” in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his internationalist political support.
“The UN is but a long-range, international banking apparatus clearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One-World revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power. “The depression was the calculated ‘shearing’ of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank.” Curtis Dall, FDR’s son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law
34.”The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.” A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st, l933
39.”The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical.
What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nationstates involved. As managers and creators of the system ,they will rule the future.” U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater in his l964 book: With No Apologies.
40.”The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences.
The apex of the system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds’ central banks which were themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups.” Tragedy and Hope: A History of The World in Our Time (Macmillan Company, 1966,) Professor Carroll Quigley of Georgetown University, highly esteemed by his former student, William Jefferson Blythe Clinton.
There is power in prayer and there are the three of us... more to follow.
Rush surmised today that Rick had done his best to strike a deal with Newt, but Newt would have none of it. This is a likely scenario in my opinion, Because it seems Newt has made this personal, I guess we shall soon see.
I said way back when we had nine candidates that now of those nine would ever be president, I think that will prove to be the case.
The DOPe has spoken, now we shall.
imho, God is illustrating that TRUSTING IN ANYTHING, ANY INDIVIDUAL, ANY GROUP, ANY GOVERNMENT MORE THAN TRUSTING IN HIM . . . IS DOOMED TO FAILURE AND GROSS EVIL.
Yes indeed. Amen. And then I read:
THEREFORE, Personally, Id appreciate your ideas for therefore whatparticularly in terms of November.
Since you ask ... !!! ;^) ...
THEREFORE what I will do if it's Romney v Obama, and what I think all of us who trust God more than we fear Obama should do, is to figuratively crawl over broken glass to vote third party SO THAT whichever taker-toward-evil wins, Obama or Romney, gets in with the smallest plurality possible -- to get in office weakened because a large majority of Americans voted AGAINST him. Our voting third party would help weaken the winner politically, and help his opposition gain in strength, a good thing whether it's Obama or Romney. It's the ONLY CHANCE we have of making any progress for conservatism.
Sitting at home and not voting at all, when you actually are opposed to BOTH candidates, will only favor whichever socialist wins. Your vote is a tool -- use it thoughtfully.
And it's a REAL tool, cynicism aside. Remember when Clinton squeaked in on 43%, how the fact that 57% of the votes were OPPOSED to him helped fuel a take-back of Congress so strong it was called the Republican Revolution?
I think the WORST case scenario would be Romney with any size plurality, even only 34%, because unlike Obama, a Romney win regardless would guaranteed make liberalism more powerful in both parties. Washington would interpret his win as Republican voters' approval of the GOP adopting the same stance as Democrats on ALL of the major liberal issues: nationalized health care, on-demand abortion, cap-and-trade energy and progress-killing regulation, liberal left activist judges (yes, Romney has a documented record of appointing them far more than of appointing Republicans, let alone conservatives), and the homosexual agenda.
IF Romney won, the Republican party would be castrated in terms of fighting liberalism on those issues.
Way, way, way too many moral folks who know the evil those liberal issues foment, are still willing to vote FOR Romney because they are more afraid of Obama than they are of God. God would, I think, frown on good people having so little faith in Him that they voted for an agent of everything they know is WRONG in the eyes of God.
The right thing, not surprisingly, would also give us our best chance to help set things right. Vote ABOOR (Anybody But Obama Or Romney) because we have faith that rejecting what is evil (abortion and pitching homosexuality to kids, for example -- ROMNEY has certainly done a lot to promote both when he was Governor, which makes him OFF THE TABLE completely for me in terms of a vote) is always the best path. Wrong is wrong whether it is Republican or Democrat.
Vote for a liberal, reap liberalism and the evils that go with it. It's plain and simple. Conservatives voting for Romney because of blind fear of Obama, are knowlingly advocating a deal with the devil, and dealing with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition.
I'd rather conservatives make a deal with God: we won't vote for either one of these losers who spit in Your eye, and perhaps You will help us to triumph.
God is watching, and I believe in my heart that if he saw our faith, that we would risk even another four years of Obama rather than vote FOR an agent of depravity like Romney ... well, I think God would be more inclined to work one of His miracles and help us, and it would be that much easier for Him if Obama won with a piddly 34%. IMAGINE!! That would seriously damage Obama's political viability and credibiltiy, and it WOULD ALSO be a powerful blow to the GOP E trying to push the party left. The only way to keep leftist liberal Republicans from taking over the GOP is to vote such that they LOSE.
The right, smartest thing to do: vote ABOOR to dilute the plurality win to the lowest number. God helps those who help themselves. If we use our votes to debilitate Obama such that he's a president openly and officially opposed by 66% of the actual voters, we'll be doing what we can to help God help us.
At this point . . . an ounce of prayers of a righteous person
would do more than a thousand pounds of rigged voting.
This was my plan if Newt or Sweater Vest didn't best Mittens - although I'm not convinced that a brokered convention is impossible yet - but, if it is Mittens, it might be better to go with a Constitution Party candidate. Someone who is actually on all the state's ballots. Sarah said she'd support the GOPe nominee. I wish to heck she'd run 3rd party.
Dearest you, Yaelle, old pal, old buddy...LOL. G-d works in very mysterious ways. I am pondering the next move of Mr. Adelson. IIRC, he previously said he would throw his support to Romney, when Newt faded and Newt has surely faded, but never dropped and has said all along he would never drop, and here we are.
I just want Romney stopped and a brokered convention.
Praying for that miracle.
The only Republican in the past 120+ years who has been able to oust a Democrat President was Ronald Reagan, and he didn’t do it by being a Romney-style moderate. He did it with bold colors, not pale pastels.
No serious person really believes that Mitt Romney will do anything to attempt the kind of reforms that we need. If anything, he’ll slow things down.
The big Republican victories of recent years — 1980, 1994, and 2010 — were achieved by running as unabashed conservatives. Candidates like Ford, Dole, and McCain lose — and that’s the kind of Republican that Romney is. Don’t believe it? Look around him — personnel is policy.
Obama just got re-elected.
You know he will. His next choice will be a black lesbian.
Is reassuring Obamas re-election the best scenario for the USA?
Voting is a civic duty is it not? How does throwing a tantrum and taking your ball and going home because you didnt get your way beneficial to the country? I thought that part of being an adult or a good citizen was sometimes having to make decisions out of less than perfect options.
Yes, I have heard all of the arguments. NO MORE!! blah, blah blah. Or the better one, someone like Newt or Romney will make things worse and then it will get blamed on the GOP.
Those are all strawman arguments. One, I do not think that Romney could be worse than Zero. I definitely dont support him. But if given the choice between him and Zero, I choose Romney. At least with him there is a snowballs chance of getting something done to fix this mess, even more so with a GOP House and Senate. With Zero, there is no chance, no matter who controls the House and Senate. Not to mention the fact the we WILL lose the SCOTUS for a generation or two. And we know that Romney is a US citizen and does not hate this country.
Obviously, we all need to support our candidate in the primaries. But in the general election, we MUST be rid of Obama. If not, we can all pat ourselves on the back and gloat about how principled we are as the country we love circles the drain.
Besides, I do not know why sitting out the election if the right candidate (whatever that is) is not nominated considered the only position of principle. My position is also one of principle, defeat Obama. When I vote against Obama, I will be doing so with just as much principle as the person who withholds their vote because they didnt get their way.
This is nothing personal towards you, it is just so frustrating to see this sentiment so prevalent on this site. Do you think the average voter thinks this way? They will vote one way or the other. If true blue Conservatives wont support the GOP candidate, why should they? In the end, politics is the art of the possible.
You have to hand it to liberals and Fabian Socialists for one thing. They understand incrementalism. They seem to be smart enough to understand that in the real world you usually dont get everything that you want in one fell swoop. Why cant Conservatives understand this?
I like your logic sounds like a plan to me
From your fingers to God's ears!
And exactly how does four (or God forbid, more) years under the Marxist prevent that from happening?
At least once Romney gets beaten this time, he’ll be retired like Dole and McCain. I’m wondering who the powers that be will come up with as a GOP candidate for 2016. Any more like Romney left?