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April 10, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/10/2012 12:29:15 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

good ideas


1,251 posted on 04/22/2012 4:06:04 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 3 years. China makes everything taking U.S. ability to manufacture)
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To: Kazan
those opposed to Romney are saving the country by preventing the Republican party from being moved permanently to the left

That's right.

1,252 posted on 04/28/2012 10:21:38 PM PDT by DNA.2012
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To: gzzimlich; Windflier; EternalVigilance; greyfoxx39; fishtank; 5thGenTexan; Above My Pay Grade; ...
Patriots with courage -- ping to this sadly validating post, even though it's an oldie. It's golden in its wisdom. And GZ, thanks for the insight. What you say is exactly what some of us see and are trying hard to warn people of:

I live in a country (the UK) where the “conservative” choice supports gay marriage, socialised healthcare and the “right” of unions to make domestic labour almost prohibitively costly to employers.

I emphasize that this is the “conservative” candidate (David Cameron.)

Romney might seem like a decent option when compared with Obama, but my country - a surveillance state in which the use of “reasonable force” in defending your life and property was only made official policy a couple of years ago - is a prime example of what happens when you compromise your principles and start rationalising voting for the lesser of two evils.

1,253 posted on 07/01/2012 6:31:40 PM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Finny

Holdin the line here boss.


1,254 posted on 07/01/2012 6:40:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Finny; gzzimlich; Windflier; EternalVigilance; greyfoxx39; fishtank; 5thGenTexan; ...
It's really a shame that freepers and Mr freeper are so blinded by conservatism, they forget the “love of country”.

Romney has to beat Obama,

or our country will never be what it was a few years back.

In their hatred of Romney, they cannot see forest from the trees.

If we ever needed all freepers, it's now.

For the love of country, I hope they will swallow their pride.

I'm just as conservative as them,

Come on, WE Cannot Have 4 more years of Zero. Please, love America, Not your thoughts.

1,255 posted on 07/01/2012 7:59:11 PM PDT by factmart
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To: factmart
Please, love America, Not your thoughts.

Love America more than GOD??

No thanks.




Are you still killing your unborn?

-- GOD


 

1,256 posted on 07/01/2012 8:07:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
You are one dumb nut, Obama wants to kill the baby after its already born, The Mormons are Pro life as are most Republicans,

Go ahead and vote Obama.

GOD will be so happy for want you did.

1,257 posted on 07/01/2012 8:19:58 PM PDT by factmart
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To: factmart
It's really a shame that freepers and Mr freeper are so blinded by conservatism, they forget the “love of country”.

Someone's got some serious...



1,258 posted on 07/01/2012 8:26:45 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: factmart

Please, love America
_______________________________

Pssst kid...

Find me a nominee who loves America...

Tennessee Nana
US Veteran


1,259 posted on 07/01/2012 8:31:23 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I believe Milt Rominy loves this country. His children and grandchildren all still live in America, IIRC. At least stay with rational assertions regarding the liberal Rominy.


1,260 posted on 07/01/2012 8:40:14 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: factmart
so blinded by conservatism, they forget the “love of country”.

Without the true principles that conservatism represents, there will be no America. That's what you don't understand.

And Mitt Romney has spent his entire adult life helping to destroy those principles.

1,261 posted on 07/01/2012 8:44:40 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: factmart
Please, love America, Not your thoughts.

I do love America, which is why I'm done compromising on my principles and voting for somebody just because they have an (R) next to their name.

In case you've forgotten, Chief Justice Roberts was nominated by a RINO who was slightly more conservative than Romney.

The GOP is going to keep on moving us to the left, like they've been doing for decades, unless we start rejecting their nominees and voting for the most conservative person on the ballot.
1,262 posted on 07/01/2012 8:53:03 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: factmart; Finny; gzzimlich; Windflier; EternalVigilance; greyfoxx39; fishtank; 5thGenTexan
Of all the insipid bleatings that pass as thought on this site, this type is by far the most fetid.

It's really a shame that freepers and Mr freeper are so blinded by conservatism, they forget the “love of country”.

It is certainly a shame that so many freepers are so blinded by fear that they forget that according to Conservatives, the principles we stand upon ARE 'love of country'. Do you even know what 'principles' are? I think not, or you would know that they CANNOT be set aside - Hence Conservatism, which is a collection of principles, CANNOT be set aside. To one who practices Conservatism, it isn't just unthinkable, but literally impossible by the very definition.

That you would come begging and whining, simpering about setting such things aside for the 'good of America' not only proves that you lack understanding about Conservatism, but that you lack understanding about what America is all about. It is shameful and embarrassing.

Romney has to beat Obama, or our country will never be what it was a few years back.

What utter pap. The reason our country will 'never be what it was a few years back' is precisely because of fearful appeasers (pragmatists) electing liberal republicans like Romney who create absolutely *no* opposition to the liberalism that is throttling our nation. In what insane reality does voting for a liberal battle liberalism? Whadderya, stupid?

In their hatred of Romney, they cannot see forest from the trees. For the love of country, I hope they will swallow their pride.

It has *nothing* to do with hate, and *nothing* to do with pride. That you would even offer such blather reveals your lack of understanding.

I'm just as conservative as them,

Obviously untrue, or you would not be here begging for what cannot be done.

Come on, WE Cannot Have 4 more years of Zero. Please, love America, Not your thoughts.

Again, your words betray you - Go ply your drivel at GOP.com

1,263 posted on 07/02/2012 1:30:17 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
Perfectly well said. Especially: The reason our country will 'never be what it was a few years back' is precisely because of fearful appeasers (pragmatists) electing liberal republicans like Romney who create absolutely *no* opposition to the liberalism that is throttling our nation. In what insane reality does voting for a liberal battle liberalism?

Bravo!

1,264 posted on 07/02/2012 1:34:36 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Finny; gzzimlich

Thank you for this ping by awesome freeper gzzimlich.

Yours is the “still, small voice” of calm amid the storm of desperation and panic that would grasp at the debilitating Romney straw.

The three boys in the fiery furnace emerged without even the smell of smoke.
So can we if we vote smart and NOT allow ourselves to be compromised. You’re so right, Finny, that there is no such thing as “voting against.”


1,265 posted on 07/02/2012 2:16:31 AM PDT by b9
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To: Finny

Thank you for the ping finny, and also for your earlier support where I was bombarded by Romneyites for simply stating in a posted VANITY that I wasn’t voting for Romney, with no particular vituperation against the man except his disinterest in describing exactly how he will “act” to repeal Federal RomneyCare on Day One.

Ninety percent of the attacks were along the lines of “You are an idiot” and “Obama thanks you for your vote”.

The presidential election is already lost (barring a miracle at the convention, and at this point I would welcome resistance by Paul plants). Our efforts must go down-ballot.


1,266 posted on 07/02/2012 3:31:55 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Without the true principles that conservatism Christianity represents, there will be no America. That's what you don't understand.
1,267 posted on 07/02/2012 3:32:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: factmart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjmJflcGSAc&feature=related
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 


WASHINGTON'S INAUGURAL ADDRESS

OF 1789

A Transcription

							[April 30, 1789] 

Fellow Citizens of the Senate and the House of Representatives.

 Among the vicissitudes incident to life, no event could have filled me with greater anxieties than that of which the notification was transmitted by your order, and received on the fourteenth day of the present month. On the one hand, I was summoned by my Country, whose voice I can never hear but with veneration and love, from a retreat which I had chosen with the fondest predilection, and, in my flattering hopes, with an immutable decision, as the asylum of my declining years: a retreat which was rendered every day more necessary as well as more dear to me, by the addition of habit to inclination, and of frequent interruptions in my health to the gradual waste committed on it by time. On the other hand, the magnitude and difficulty of the trust to which the voice of my Country called me, being sufficient to awaken in the wisest and most experienced of her citizens, a distrustful scrutiny into his qualifications, could not but overwhelm with dispondence, one, who, inheriting inferior endowments from nature and unpractised in the duties of civil administration, ought to be peculiarly conscious of his own deficiencies. In this conflict of emotions, all I dare aver, is, that it has been my faithful study to collect my duty from a just appreciation of eve ry circumstance, by which it might be affected. All I dare hope, is, that, if in executing this task I have been too much swayed by a grateful remembrance of former instances, or by an affectionate sensibility to this transcendent proof, of the confidence of my fellow-citizens; and have thence too little consulted my incapacity as well as disinclination for the weighty and untried cares before me; my error will be palliated by the motives which misled me, and its consequences be judged by my Country, with some share of the partiality in which they originated.

Such being the impressions under which I have, in obedience to the public summons, repaired to the present station; it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official Act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the Universe, who presides in the Councils of Nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that his benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the People of the United States, a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes: and may enable every instrument employed in its administration to execute with success, the functions allotted to his charge. In tendering this homage to the Great Author of every public and private good I assure myself that it expresses your sentiments not less than my own; nor those of my fellow-citizens at large, less than either. No People can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand, which conducts the Affairs of men more than the People of the United States. Every step, by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation, seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency. And in the important revolution just accomplished in the system of their United Government, the tranquil deliberations and voluntary consent of so many distinct communities, from which the event has resulted, cannot be compared with the means by which most Governments have been established, without some return of pious gratitude along with an humble anticipation of the future blessings which the past seem to presage. These reflections, arising out of the present crisis, have forced themselves too strongly on my mind to be suppressed. You will join with me I trust in thinking, that there are none under the influence of which, the proceedings of a new and free Government can more auspiciously commence.

By the article establishing the Executive Department, it is made the duty of the President "to recommend to your consideration, such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient." The circumstances under which I now meet you, will acquit me from entering into that subject, farther than to refer to the Great Constitutional Charter under which you are assembled; and which, in defining your powers, designates the objects to which your attention is to be given. It will be more consistent with those circumstances, and far more congenial with the feelings which actuate me, to substitute, in place of a recommendation of particular measures, the tribute that is due to the talents, the rectitude, and the patriotism which adorn the characters selected to devise and adopt them. In these honorable qualifications, I behold the surest pledges, that as on one side, no local prejudices, or attachments; no seperate views, nor party animosities, will misdirect the comprehensive and equal eye which ought to watch over this great assemblage of communities and interests: so, on another, that the foundations of our National policy will be laid in the pure and immutable principles of private morality; and the pre-eminence of a free Government, be exemplified by all the attributes which can win the affections of its Citizens, and command the respect of the world.

I dwell on this prospect with every satisfaction which an ardent love for my Country can inspire: since there is no truth more thoroughly established, than that there exists in the oeconomy and course of nature, an indissoluble union between virtue and happiness, between duty and advantage, between the genuine maxims of an honest and magnanimous policy, and the solid rewards of public prosperity and felicity: Since we ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven, can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained: And since the preservation of the sacred fire of liberty, and the destiny of the Republican model of Government, are justly considered as deeply, perhaps as finally staked, on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people.

Besides the ordinary objects submitted to your care, it will remain with your judgment to decide, how far an exercise of the occasional power delegated by the Fifth article of the Constitution is rendered expedient at the present juncture by the nature of objections which have been urged against the System, or by the degree of inquietude which has given birth to them. Instead of undertaking particular recommendations on this subject, in which I could be guided by no lights derived from official opportunities, I shall again give way to my entire confidence in your discernment and pursuit of the public good: For I assure myself that whilst you carefully avoid every alteration which might endanger the benefits of an United and effective Government, or wh ich ought to await the future lessons of experience; a reverence for the characteristic rights of freemen, and a regard for the public harmony, will sufficiently influence your deliberations on the question how far the former can be more impregnably fortified, or the latter be safely and advantageously promoted.

To the preceeding observations I have one to add, which will be most properly addressed to the House of Representatives. It concerns myself, and will therefore be as brief as possible. When I was first honoured with a call into the Service of my Country, then on the eve of an arduous struggle for its liberties, the light in which I contemplated my duty required that I should renounce every pecuniary compensation. From this resolution I have in no instance departed. And being still under the impressions which produced it, I must decline as inapplicable to myself, any share in the personal emoluments, which may be indispensably included in a permanent provision for the Executive Department; and must accordingly pray that the pecuniary estimates for the Station in which I am placed, may, during my continuance in it, be limited to such actual expenditures as the public good may be thought to require.

Having thus imported to you my sentiments, as they have been awakened by the occasion which brings us together, I shall take my present leave; but not without resorting once more to the benign parent of the human race, in humble supplication that since he has been pleased to favour the American people, with opportunities for deliberating in perfect tranquility, and dispositions for deciding with unparellelled unanimity on a form of Government, for the security of their Union, and the advancement of their happiness; so his divine blessing may be equally conspicuous in the enlarged views, the temperate consultations, and the wise measures on which the success of this Government must depend.


Washington's distinctive signature

 


1,268 posted on 07/02/2012 3:50:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: factmart

WASHINGTON'S INAUGURAL ADDRESS

OF 1789

A Transcription

							[April 30, 1789] 

Fellow Citizens of the Senate and the House of Representatives.

Among the vicissitudes incident to life, no event could have filled me with greater anxieties than that of which the notification was transmitted by your order, and received on the fourteenth day of the present month. On the one hand, I was summoned by my Country, whose voice I can never hear but with veneration and love, from a retreat which I had chosen with the fondest predilection, and, in my flattering hopes, with an immutable decision, as the asylum of my declining years: a retreat which was rendered every day more necessary as well as more dear to me, by the addition of habit to inclination, and of frequent interruptions in my health to the gradual waste committed on it by time. On the other hand, the magnitude and difficulty of the trust to which the voice of my Country called me, being sufficient to awaken in the wisest and most experienced of her citizens, a distrustful scrutiny into his qualifications, could not but overwhelm with dispondence, one, who, inheriting inferior endowments from nature and unpractised in the duties of civil administration, ought to be peculiarly conscious of his own deficiencies. In this conflict of emotions, all I dare aver, is, that it has been my faithful study to collect my duty from a just appreciation of eve ry circumstance, by which it might be affected. All I dare hope, is, that, if in executing this task I have been too much swayed by a grateful remembrance of former instances, or by an affectionate sensibility to this transcendent proof, of the confidence of my fellow-citizens; and have thence too little consulted my incapacity as well as disinclination for the weighty and untried cares before me; my error will be palliated by the motives which misled me, and its consequences be judged by my Country, with some share of the partiality in which they originated.

Such being the impressions under which I have, in obedience to the public summons, repaired to the present station; it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official Act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the Universe, who presides in the Councils of Nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that his benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the People of the United States, a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes: and may enable every instrument employed in its administration to execute with success, the functions allotted to his charge. In tendering this homage to the Great Author of every public and private good I assure myself that it expresses your sentiments not less than my own; nor those of my fellow-citizens at large, less than either. No People can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand, which conducts the Affairs of men more than the People of the United States. Every step, by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation, seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency. And in the important revolution just accomplished in the system of their United Government, the tranquil deliberations and voluntary consent of so many distinct communities, from which the event has resulted, cannot be compared with the means by which most Governments have been established, without some return of pious gratitude along with an humble anticipation of the future blessings which the past seem to presage. These reflections, arising out of the present crisis, have forced themselves too strongly on my mind to be suppressed. You will join with me I trust in thinking, that there are none under the influence of which, the proceedings of a new and free Government can more auspiciously commence.

By the article establishing the Executive Department, it is made the duty of the President "to recommend to your consideration, such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient." The circumstances under which I now meet you, will acquit me from entering into that subject, farther than to refer to the Great Constitutional Charter under which you are assembled; and which, in defining your powers, designates the objects to which your attention is to be given. It will be more consistent with those circumstances, and far more congenial with the feelings which actuate me, to substitute, in place of a recommendation of particular measures, the tribute that is due to the talents, the rectitude, and the patriotism which adorn the characters selected to devise and adopt them. In these honorable qualifications, I behold the surest pledges, that as on one side, no local prejudices, or attachments; no seperate views, nor party animosities, will misdirect the comprehensive and equal eye which ought to watch over this great assemblage of communities and interests: so, on another, that the foundations of our National policy will be laid in the pure and immutable principles of private morality; and the pre-eminence of a free Government, be exemplified by all the attributes which can win the affections of its Citizens, and command the respect of the world.

I dwell on this prospect with every satisfaction which an ardent love for my Country can inspire: since there is no truth more thoroughly established, than that there exists in the oeconomy and course of nature, an indissoluble union between virtue and happiness, between duty and advantage, between the genuine maxims of an honest and magnanimous policy, and the solid rewards of public prosperity and felicity: Since we ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven, can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained: And since the preservation of the sacred fire of liberty, and the destiny of the Republican model of Government, are justly considered as deeply, perhaps as finally staked, on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people.

Besides the ordinary objects submitted to your care, it will remain with your judgment to decide, how far an exercise of the occasional power delegated by the Fifth article of the Constitution is rendered expedient at the present juncture by the nature of objections which have been urged against the System, or by the degree of inquietude which has given birth to them. Instead of undertaking particular recommendations on this subject, in which I could be guided by no lights derived from official opportunities, I shall again give way to my entire confidence in your discernment and pursuit of the public good: For I assure myself that whilst you carefully avoid every alteration which might endanger the benefits of an United and effective Government, or wh ich ought to await the future lessons of experience; a reverence for the characteristic rights of freemen, and a regard for the public harmony, will sufficiently influence your deliberations on the question how far the former can be more impregnably fortified, or the latter be safely and advantageously promoted.

To the preceeding observations I have one to add, which will be most properly addressed to the House of Representatives. It concerns myself, and will therefore be as brief as possible. When I was first honoured with a call into the Service of my Country, then on the eve of an arduous struggle for its liberties, the light in which I contemplated my duty required that I should renounce every pecuniary compensation. From this resolution I have in no instance departed. And being still under the impressions which produced it, I must decline as inapplicable to myself, any share in the personal emoluments, which may be indispensably included in a permanent provision for the Executive Department; and must accordingly pray that the pecuniary estimates for the Station in which I am placed, may, during my continuance in it, be limited to such actual expenditures as the public good may be thought to require.

Having thus imported to you my sentiments, as they have been awakened by the occasion which brings us together, I shall take my present leave; but not without resorting once more to the benign parent of the human race, in humble supplication that since he has been pleased to favour the American people, with opportunities for deliberating in perfect tranquility, and dispositions for deciding with unparellelled unanimity on a form of Government, for the security of their Union, and the advancement of their happiness; so his divine blessing may be equally conspicuous in the enlarged views, the temperate consultations, and the wise measures on which the success of this Government must depend.


Washington's distinctive signature


1,269 posted on 07/02/2012 3:54:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
Presidential inaugurations are important civic rituals in our nation's political life. The Constitution requires that presidential electoral votes be opened and counted by the Senate and House of Representatives meeting together, that the candidate with a majority of electoral votes be declared the victor, and that the president-elect, before taking charge of the office, swear an oath of office to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."


After the address, Washington and assembled government officials walked to St. Paul's Chapel for more prayer and supplication.


 

The rear of St. Paul's Chapel faces Church Street, opposite the east side of the World Trade Center site. After the attack on September 11, 2001, which led to the collapse of the twin towers of the World Trade Center, St. Paul's Chapel served as a place of rest and refuge for recovery workers at the WTC site.

For eight months, hundreds of volunteers worked 12 hour shifts around the clock, serving meals, making beds, counseling and praying with fire fighters, construction workers, police and others. Massage therapists, chiropractors, podiatrists and musicians also tended to their needs.

The church survived without even a broken window.  Church history declares it was spared by a miracle, a large sycamore on the northwest corner of the property that was hit by debris. The tree's root has been preserved in a bronze memorial by sculptor Steve Tobin.
 


 
 
 
http://www.walmart.com/ip/The-Harbinger-The-Ancient-Mystery-That-Holds-the-Secret-of-America-s-Future/17023921

1,270 posted on 07/02/2012 4:12:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jim Robinson
Barring a miracle, they got their big government, unconstitutional mandate loving, socialist abortionist Obama-lite RINO on the ballot, they can now get him elected.
1,271 posted on 07/02/2012 4:13:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Finny

As Obama tries harder and harder to throw this election to his liberal republican counterpart, Romney rises in the polls. Be confident, however, that my vote is not destined for any amnesty-granting, baby-killing, bailout-providing, gun-grabbing, homosexual-advocating, healthcare-ransoming, stimulus-providing presidential candidates. Trading a liberal president with a "D" behind his name for a liberal president with an "R" behind his name does not better this nation.


1,272 posted on 07/02/2012 5:19:31 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: roamer_1; factmart
...insipid bleatings that pass as thought...whining, simpering...shameful and embarrassing...utter pap...blather, drivel...

I see you've met our friend factmart.

1,273 posted on 07/02/2012 5:45:38 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: factmart

If you truly love your country then vote for someone who actually does: Virgil Goode.


1,274 posted on 07/02/2012 6:38:47 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil. Voting for mitt or obie is like throwing your country away.)
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To: Finny

Folks seem to be under the impression that Romney will step in and save them and America from their really bad choices. However, Romney is a liberal at heart and will move back to the left as soon as he steps into the DC circuit. He is not a strong man with a strong moral center, nor is he a visionary that can provide a direction to go and explain or inspire others into seeing what can be created from the ideology of small govt and enlightenment.

Thanks for the ping. England’s situation should stand as a warning for us all.


1,275 posted on 07/02/2012 7:51:59 AM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: Finny

Folks seem to be under the impression that Romney will step in and save them and America from their really bad choices. However, Romney is a liberal at heart and will move back to the left as soon as he steps into the DC circuit. He is not a strong man with a strong moral center, nor is he a visionary that can provide a direction to go and explain or inspire others into seeing what can be created from the ideology of small govt and enlightenment.

Thanks for the ping. England’s situation should stand as a warning for us all.


1,276 posted on 07/02/2012 7:52:34 AM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: Windflier
You are as bad as Obama, you can be happy when ObamaCare is unkillable.

Al the rest is irrelevant.

Loving conservative is not above love of country. There is a time when compromise is Patriotic.

Helping Obama over Romney is not Conservative or holing on to your principles is not a good thing when the house is on fire.

It's time to let go of your principles, Pick up the bucket of water and put out the fire.

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By the way the founding fathers would be supporting Romney 100% and would think of you as REDCOATS.

1,277 posted on 07/02/2012 8:23:55 AM PDT by factmart
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To: Tennessee Nana

You are as bad as Obama, you can be happy when ObamaCare is unkillable.

Al the rest is irrelevant.

Loving conservative is not above love of country. There is a time when compromise is Patriotic.

Helping Obama over Romney is not Conservative or holing on to your principles is not a good thing when the house is on fire.

It’s time to let go of your principles, Pick up the bucket of water and put out the fire.

*******************************************************

By the way the founding fathers would be supporting Romney 100% and would think of you as REDCOATS.


1,278 posted on 07/02/2012 8:24:51 AM PDT by factmart
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To: Elsie
You are as bad as Obama, you can be happy when ObamaCare is unkillable.

Al the rest is irrelevant.

Loving conservative is not above love of country. There is a time when compromise is Patriotic.

Helping Obama over Romney is not Conservative or holing on to your principles is not a good thing when the house is on fire.

It's time to let go of your principles, Pick up the bucket of water and put out the fire.

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By the way the founding fathers would be supporting Romney 100% and would think of you as REDCOATS.

1,279 posted on 07/02/2012 8:26:23 AM PDT by factmart
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To: factmart; Elsie
By the way the founding fathers would be supporting Romney 100% and would think of you as REDCOATS.

Good Lord.

1,280 posted on 07/02/2012 8:32:10 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: EternalVigilance

And you have spent your entire life at FR as an all or nothing man, refusing any legislation that would roll bakc on a step-wise approach any abortion procedures, even opposing the partial birth abortion ban because it did not outlaw all abortions. You fit right in don’tchaknow, all-or-nothing man.


1,281 posted on 07/02/2012 8:33:21 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Finny

Thank you for the ping and thanks to all the FReepers who are blessed to see things this way.


1,282 posted on 07/02/2012 8:33:51 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: af_vet_rr

Lock n Load


1,283 posted on 07/02/2012 8:34:47 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Elsie

I seem to recall a similar finality when McCain got the GOP nomination, but when Sarah was placed on the ballot too we turned and voted for the ticket because she was a glimmer of hope. Will we look back to those days as ‘the good old days’ as America sinks into Argentinian style collpase with little barry bastard fascist at the helm for at least four more years?


1,284 posted on 07/02/2012 8:43:10 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: factmart

Some corrections to your post:

I DO love my country. But I love God more.

I don’t “hate” Romney; please stop slinging that word around to describe disagreement, as leftwingers do. But I do hate abortion and I hate the practice of homosexuality. How do I align myself with those and sleep at night? What deal can I make with God to convince Him to let me slide?

It’s not about PRIDE and it never was. My candidate, Perry, and my second choice, Newt, both lost. It happens. I would be supporting our candidate right now IF he wasn’t responsible for abortions which are even now, today, happening in Massachusetts. I would vote for him if he hadn’t recently said that sodomites should be able to adopt children. He is FOR throwing kids into a nest of perversion and screwing them up for life.

To your last sentence-—how can I put my country above my God? Can you justify that for me? Or are His principles to be followed only when it’s easy and there’s no sacrifice involved? Are they disposable when you decide there’s a good enough reason to toss them aside?

As Archie Bunker once said, “I ain’t better than nobody.” Believe me on that. I’m no great, magnificent Christian who can afford to preach to others. But I know what God is telling me to do here, and it has nothing to do with my “thoughts”. I wish to heaven I could vote to kick that piece of slime out of the White House, but Romney is a line I can’t cross.


1,285 posted on 07/02/2012 8:56:46 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: Finny

Indeed. AS the Romney apoligistics brigade carries on on FR, I wonder how many of them gave more than a passing thought to their ABO theory. And that includes the ‘name’ conservatives with talk shows and podiums.

Your post pretty well shows the result of ABWhoever, not in theory, but in real world result. How can any thinking person in this country, with the access to the historical data and media accessibility we possess, EVER come to the conclusion that the lesser of evils is a good thing?

To subscribe honestly to the ABO BS, one would literally have to consciously be willing to vote for Bill Ayres on the Republican ticket. If not, they they are not really ABO at all and their entire oft-stated justification collapses.

In truth, they are scared.

They are scared because they understand that there are not enough conservatives left in America to win.

They are scared because they know that they cannot trust the so called conservatives elected to do the constitutionally correct things they were elected to do.

They are scared that liberalism has so infiltrated the Right that they are left with ‘moderation’ as their only ‘hope’ for getting half the split baby.

And lastly (for now) They are scared to face up to the reality of it all after years of spewing conservative jargon that their actions show definitively that they NEVER TRULY BELIEVED IN TO BEGIN WITH.

And I defy any Freeper or conservative ‘celebrity’ to prove me wrong with facts, not emotional “Barack will end America” scaremongering.


1,286 posted on 07/02/2012 10:37:50 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: factmart
It's time to let go of your principles, Pick up the bucket of water and put out the fire.

Ok; you've announced that YOU evidently have no principles worth living for; but please don't assume I don't.

1,287 posted on 07/02/2012 10:51:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Finny; roamer_1; factmart; Elsie; formosa; COBOL2Java; EternalVigilance; af_vet_rr; MHGinTN; ...
1,264 posted on July 2, 2012 **********3:34:36 AM CDT********** by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)


Finny, is it a long night or are you the earliest riser I know?

I am starting to think that the left and the gop establishment are in collusion.  

Why did the establishment gop push Romney so hard? The left media pushes back on him, but not the rabid attacks that conservatives get; the attacks meant to permanently  take someone out.  Maybe the left recognizes other leftist and goes soft on them; not that they will let him beat Obama. The gop KNEW conservatives would be angry, yet did not care. I think they reasoned that Obama has moved so far left and since there is such a wide gap in values, they should move left and be more like him and the world, hoping to get those “precious” independents who they assume are left and not right. (Anyone remember hearing that the bulk of the voters are conservative? They just don't vote like they should)  For the gop-e it's only about winning and not standing up for the constitution and what is right. 

If romney wins I predict the gop will direct the party to do what Romney did in the past. SAY one thing; we're prolife, profamily.... fiscally conservative, but  DO another.  Like in the past Romney and the rino’s will  blame the left or say a judge made them do it.  They will have bills that look conservative, but when you look closely it will contain compromises that conservatives will abhor. 

I believe the gop-e wants socialized medicine, abortion, gay marriage, to allow amnesty for illegal immigrants....  but can't admit it. You have to wonder if Roberts has been compromised by politics.  If you take a closer look at his work, not to mention  healthcare and illegal immigration, you have to wonder if he was a plant.   On the immigration ruling, states can check people to see if they are legal, but it has no teeth because they gave all the real power to the federal government and as we all know; Obama is not enforcing the laws.  Roberts is ok with healthcare as long as it's called a tax. That really helps the gop-e frame healthcare as an emergency (never let a crisis go to waste is not only for the left. They will use it as a political weapon and ensure a Romney win.  After all this might scare those conservatives into finally voting for him. 

Also think about this.  In other countries socialism leads to high taxes (ok with Roberts). Politicians can work there way to the 75%  taxes other countries have.  It is POLITICIANS who will control all that money,  and think of the power it can wield. If they do the lobbyist bidding, they will be guaranteed reelection and special favors when they retire.  It will take a while before the Greece effect becomes reality and by then they will be out of office and the debt will be someone else’s problem. They will get what they want;  power and wealth.  To hell with the constitution, the debt, and  right and wrong. 

Rush,  Ann Coulter and most other on the right, talked about the gop-e either not getting invites to the elitist cocktail parties or when they did, they were embarrassed by us  prolife, pro family...conservatives.  You could tell during the primary that Rush wanted to really get behind Santorum, but something held him back; maybe his contract. It was obvious the talking heads all were directed to back Romney and repeat the matra; only Romney can win. They have turned into the very hypocrites they criticized. Also look at the top donors to Romney; Koch brothers- progay marriage, Adelson-proabortion and gay marriage. Why Romney? Ask the Log Cabin Republicans. His values are bought and paid for like they were in the primary.

The gop-e and romney has been able to hide romney's true actions and beliefs from most of the public. Will romney be able to call himself conservative while doing the opposite and get away with it? What will happen if and when the truth gets out? I think this election is setting stage for a third party that can change politics as we know it.

1,288 posted on 07/02/2012 1:12:03 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: Linda Frances

I agree with you. It seems the GOP just wants us to vote for them and then they conveniently pretend we do not exist. In the interim they are creating a policy of compromise that has yet to benefit the middle class.

They want our money but not our voices. We are being squeezed from above and below and there is never any respite for us. We are hated on both sides of the isle. There are very few who will stand up for the soul of this country once they take a seat in Washington.


1,289 posted on 07/02/2012 1:30:16 PM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: factmart

Are you insane? The founders would have brandished their swords and loaded their muskets years ago. The whole lot of us are cowards in comparison to those great men. You need to go back and study your American history.


1,290 posted on 07/02/2012 1:38:19 PM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: MHGinTN
I was tricked with a 'glimmer' once. 
It WILL not happen again!
 
(Being deceived can be cured.)
 
Being ignorant can be cured; being stupid takes a wee bit more work.

1,291 posted on 07/02/2012 1:40:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
Being ignorant can be cured; being stupid takes a wee bit more work.

Heh! :-)

1,292 posted on 07/02/2012 2:02:57 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: Norm Lenhart; unkus; Jim Robinson
Are you in the habit of insulting folks to try and shut them up? What a righteous fellow you must be, so much more righteous than those who are willing to try a Rominy liberal, to remove a fascist commie Obama.

Let's presume for a moment that you righteous fellows are successful and Barry bastard commie is re-elected because of the righteous tantrum troops who vote third party and get that 'warm fuzzy feeling of being more righteous than their neighbors'. BUT let's give the benefit of the doubt to your planned strategy of increasing turnout of conservative voters (a pipedream of amazing proportions, given the lack of a viable candidate on the GOP ticket and your powerful efforts to discourage GOP support at the polls), and also say a Republican controlled House and a 50/50 in the Senate is achieved. Would you mind telling this old man just how it is that you see the already unlawful ruling by fiat from the White House being restrained if little barry bastard commie is not removed?

Do you actually believe the commie-in-chief will cease to rule by fiat? Or are you hoping that Republican controlled Congress will reign him in, write sane legislation, or impeach the ineligible, criminal bastard? Rather than just insult folks like me, why don't you explain how your righteous indignation is going to alter the course we are now on with an enemy in the White House, controlling the Justice Department, and carrying a veto pen around in his haughty America hating shirt?

If it is that you believe a Republican control of House and Senate will thwart Barry fascist, then why not at least remove the commie cancer and start with someone who has shown he does at least like America enough to want to be a powerful force therein, even if it has been shown to be rule by wet finger in the wind? It buys time, if nothing else. And don't try to preach that such a buying of time is my religious failing. That's just a bit too far into the self-righteous cave for realistic folks to stomach, so you marginalize yourself with such preaching.

Why not remove little barry bastard, racist, fascist, America hater, so there is a liberal rather than a leftist enemy in the White House? Do you see a third alternative to the commie-in-chief remaining or replacing him with a liberal who has proven he is a finger in the wind man who at least says he want to turn the economy around? How is your belief that somehow Rominy and a Republican controlled Congress goes more liberal than barry fascist any less irrational than believing Republican controlled Congress will thwart the barry bastard commie?

The collapse of the nation and total breakdown of law in communities all across the nation, or worse, martial law under the commie-in-chief using our police and military or UN 'guests' to control the populations is not a viable alternative to Barry or Milt ... unless you long to use your stockpiled foods and fuels while the cities turn into vast zones of starvation, disease and death, and governmental forum in which to try to govern evaporates for lack of making a viable choice to stop the enemy now in power.

You spit insults at folks like me who are afraid the Republic is critically endangered by righteous preachment types who welcome nothing if they cannot have it all their way, knowing the nothing is actually down the drain and no longer circling the bowl.

You presume there will be a semblance of government by the people after four more years of little barry bastard commie. Some of us don't agree, and the current evidence of rule by fiat and globalist agenda driven SCOTUS is a strong indication of how fast these enemy bastards can collapse the nation. What a strategy, insulting folks like me for believing that you will accomplish what little barry bastard commie must have in order to steal the election, so you will be more righteous! Perhaps because inately you realize that is not a winner, so you try the insult trick, albeit wrapped in a cloak of religious righteousness. Insults will reduce turnout, strangling your plan to vote in more conservative control in House nd Senate. But you can shake your head and hold your nose high for being so much more righteous than your neighbor, eh?

The democrats cheat when it's close, and a Soros owned Spanish company is counting a significant percentage of our votes this cycle, so the democrats and globalist cancer can cheat even more effectively if opposition turnout to barry is suppressed by insults and self-righteous preachments.

Am I scared enough to vote for a liberal who puts his liberal wet finger in the wind for direction when called upon? Yes, definitely. I will give a last try to turn this around because I can see clearly it will no longer be possible to turn anything around that is collapsed beyond functioning. You can insult me some more, call me anything you want, but I and many like me will not be squelched from trying something when faced with the nothing you lust for in order to 'teach the GOPe a lesson'.

And just so you know, I'm one of those evil preppers who has been preparing for the collapse, but I don't lust for it to teach the GOPe a lesson because once snuffed out the flame of American exceptionalism will be gone forever since the globalist have a strategy ready to sweep into the void of a lawless America. I don't believe even the GOPe will even be an option when little barry bastard commie is finished with four or more years ahead.

And for the record at Jim Robinson's Freerepublic, I am not a Rominy apologist, so that little smarmy insult is useless to squelch me. I can see by his record what Rominy is. He's a liberal who has used a wet finger for directional probably all his life. But he has also been an administrator of some accomplishment. When he puts that liberal wet finger in the wind, I intend to be a breeze he should not ignore, rather than a source of constant insult and spittle, or worse, a tantrum trooper gone silent because it didn't get the all so it waits for the nothing to arrive and 'teach the GOPe a lesson'.

Voting for someone other than the viable though stinky alternative to littel barry bastard fascist enables the continued rule by that fascist. If the nation is going to collapse regardless of which is at the White House, why not try the one who acts by wet finger in the wind, rather than hoping for the nothing to arrive so you can have the satisfaction of having pissed on the GOPe in the last moment?

1,293 posted on 07/02/2012 3:30:33 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Linda Frances
Do you believe that barry bastard fascist can succeed in collapsing the nation if he gets four more years to work at it? Do you believe the collapse is going to happen regardless of who sits int he Oval Office?

When I read reasoning like the following, I don't see where any alternative is contemplated. I see only all or nothing thinking:

If romney wins I predict the gop will direct the party to do what Romney did in the past. SAY one thing; we're prolife, profamily.... fiscally conservative, but DO another. Like in the past Romney and the rino’s will blame the left or say a judge made them do it. They will have bills that look conservative, but when you look closely it will contain compromises that conservatives will abhor.

If you believe that will end the Republic and the venue in which a political struggle can continue, then why vote in such a way as to give the larger enemy of The Republic four more years to work at it?

1,294 posted on 07/02/2012 3:38:49 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

Nice post. Now go through this thread and find one incorrect thing about my reasoning. Just one.

You want to have a fit because your ABO logic gets shredded? So be it. But it is a fact that...

Mitt Romney is a liberal with a solid record in office of far left liberal governance.

One cannot be a conservative and hold to conservative/constitutional ideals and vote for a man who does not...as his record CLEARLY shows.

Now if that upsets you, then please, by all means, tell me EXACTLY how a Conservative can be a conservative, maintain his conservative/constitutional beliefs and vote for a liberal.

Do that and I’ll formally apologize.

Or don’t whine like a lib for the mockery you get.


1,295 posted on 07/02/2012 3:39:39 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
Apologize? HAH! Try to get both feet on the ground long enough to get your balance. You ignore every detail I placed int he too long post, but you demand that I go through 1200 plus posts to detail for you what you want to be the focus of this thread? If it were not so sad to see such tantrums, it would be amusing.

Sorry, your smugness shows you really don't want to discuss these issues, you want to gloat and glory in your self-righteousness, just like Tom Hoefling has done to empower himself for so long at FR by taking the all or nothing position which opposed even the ban on partial birth abortion because it didn't ban ALL abortions.

Have nice day

1,296 posted on 07/02/2012 3:45:25 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

Whats to discuss? A person voting for a liberal is themself a liberal. He’s not a conservative. If he was, he’d vote that way. A man having sex with another man isn’t hetrosexual if he only takes part in ‘certain’ sex acts. Nor can a woman be ‘a little’ pregnant.

Cause and effect. Logic and reason. Want to have a serious conversation? Fine. Start with a serious premise, not one that postulates that voting for a liberal is a wise and smart thing to do.


1,297 posted on 07/02/2012 3:52:14 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
A serious conversation? Did you just try to insult me with the following spittle?...

A person voting for a liberal is themself a liberal. He’s not a conservative. If he was, he’d vote that way. A man having sex with another man isn’t hetrosexual if he only takes part in ‘certain’ sex acts. Nor can a woman be ‘a little’ pregnant.

Ah yes, we can see you're just all about having a 'serious conversation'. Put some ice on it. Oh, and you win on this thread. You have gone over the edge so far that I will not be joining you further.

1,298 posted on 07/02/2012 3:58:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

Whatever. You still have yet to point out a single flaw in anything I posted.

Speaks for itself.


1,299 posted on 07/02/2012 4:00:52 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: MHGinTN
Are you in the habit of insulting folks to try and shut them up?

a fascist commie Obama.
Barry bastard commie

Be consistant.

1,300 posted on 07/02/2012 4:17:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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