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Georgia ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law Challenged as Vague
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 04/10/12 | Sam Favate

Posted on 04/10/2012 2:44:07 PM PDT by AtlasStalled

Civil rights activist Markel Hutchins is challenging Georgia’s similar self-defense law in federal court, claiming that it leads to the “unnecessary use of lethal force” that could endanger people, and that the law should be struck down because it is vague and could result in a disproportionate number of minorities being shot, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported. * * * The suit also says that some courts accept race as evidence to “establish the reasonableness of an individual’s fear in cases of justifiable homicide,” and Hutchins claims that in those circumstances the law doesn’t equally protect him and other African Americans, AJC noted.

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1 posted on 04/10/2012 2:44:13 PM PDT by AtlasStalled
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Georgia ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law Challenged as Vague\

Yeah. It doesn't prohibit white people armed self-defense against a black attacker. That's the real complaint, right?

2 posted on 04/10/2012 2:51:40 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: AtlasStalled

Ah ha!

Now we get the REAL reason for the orchestrated lynch-mob hysteria.


3 posted on 04/10/2012 2:52:20 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: backwoods-engineer

Send an email and ask him.

This is one topic where talking amongst ourselves does nothing.


4 posted on 04/10/2012 3:00:05 PM PDT by tickedoffnow (No more...)
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To: AtlasStalled

When dirty cops, murdered Kathryn Johnson, Hutchins took it upon himself to become the mouthpiece of the family, for JUSTICE. The same ones that left her in the house, like she was being housed.

Well the cops went to prison, as they should have.

The family sued. They got millions. Hutchins sued the family saying some of that money was his, because without him they wouldn’t have gotten a dime.

Wannbe Sharpton/Jackson.


5 posted on 04/10/2012 3:01:33 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: AtlasStalled
The suit also says that some courts accept race as evidence to “establish the reasonableness of an individual’s fear in cases of justifiable homicide,” and Hutchins claims that in those circumstances the law doesn’t equally protect him and other African Americans, AJC noted.

That is a completely stupid statement, one that can't be true. When Zimmerman shot Trayvon, assuming Zimmerman's version of events is true, it was because Trayvon was pounding on him, not because Trayvon had darker skin. There is no situation in which race justifies the use of deadly force in self-defense, but there is also no situation in which a person should be tried for self-defense when perceiving the situation as threatening was logical and the force used was reasonably necessary to stop the threat.

6 posted on 04/10/2012 3:17:19 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Can we afford as much government as welfare-addicted voters demand?)
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To: AtlasStalled

“Civil rights activist Markel Hutchins...”

THAT’s all you need to know about the POS.


7 posted on 04/10/2012 3:18:45 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
"could result in a disproportionate number of minorities being shot"

What a dildo!

You mean that minorities are more likely to be shot while committing crimes, which, although hidden, is because they commit MORE crimes than whites? (as a percentage of the population, the criminals are disproportiantely non-white).

Yeah; we should let them roam freely to take whitey's property, etc.

8 posted on 04/10/2012 3:19:13 PM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: AtlasStalled
Recall during the Obamacare oral arguments, Kagan reminded her fellow justices that when challenged, federal laws are presumed to be Constitutional.

State laws are presumed racist.

9 posted on 04/10/2012 3:20:47 PM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: AtlasStalled

Let’s apply the same standard of standing as was applied in Heller and McDonald. He has no standing to sue since he cannot show any harm done to himself.


10 posted on 04/10/2012 3:23:09 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: AtlasStalled

So how does Hutchins have standing in the case? Has he been personally injured by the law?


11 posted on 04/10/2012 3:26:50 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: AtlasStalled
Civil rights activist Markel Hutchins is challenging Georgia’s similar self-defense law in federal court, claiming that it leads to the “unnecessary use of lethal force” that could endanger people, and that the law should be struck down because it is vague and could result in a disproportionate number of minorities being shot...

He can call himself a "civil rights activist," but he's actually an anti-Second Amendment bigot.

12 posted on 04/10/2012 3:38:20 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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Yet many find the general welfare clause and the interstate commerce clause to be vague and nobody is saying strike them down. How vague is the second amendment? ...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
13 posted on 04/10/2012 3:49:15 PM PDT by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: traditional1

“You mean that minorities are more likely to be shot while committing crimes, which, although hidden, is because they commit MORE crimes than whites? (as a percentage of the population, the criminals are disproportiantely non-white).”

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I see it as being a cultural problem. Someone dressed and acting like a gang-banging homie is going to be perceived as more threatening than someone who looks “clean”cut (to borrow what Joe Biden was trying to say).

That is true even when the homie is in the same ethnic group as the more mainstream person.

“Beauty is as beauty does” is the same concept as “Thug is as thug does”. IMHO


14 posted on 04/10/2012 3:54:26 PM PDT by John Galt's cousin (Principled Conservatism NOW! * * * * * * * * * * Repeal the 17th Amendment!)
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To: AtlasStalled

Let’s apply the same standard of standing as was applied in Heller and McDonald. He has no standing to sue since he cannot show any harm done to himself.


15 posted on 04/10/2012 4:10:36 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: All

As I said before, the Left is in a panic because these laws allow whitey to fight back!


16 posted on 04/10/2012 4:10:49 PM PDT by Maverick68
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To: samtheman

Indeed we do. this has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the fact that Leftist don’t like people being capable of defending themselves. They think only criminals and the people who work for them should be armed. The rest of us are part of the “pray class” and must remain helpless before them.

Stand your ground on Stand your ground!


17 posted on 04/10/2012 6:46:57 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise

I think it also has something to do with race. The left wants a race war AND they want to take away our guns. Both things are high on their agenda. Of course, if you’re a leftist, you can’t hope to win the race war without first taking away all our guns.


18 posted on 04/10/2012 6:49:23 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: traditional1

“You mean that minorities are more likely to be shot while committing crimes, which, although hidden, is because they commit MORE crimes than whites? (as a percentage of the population, the criminals are disproportiantely non-white).

Yeah; we should let them roam freely to take whitey’s property, etc.”

A statistical fact that should be pointed out has nothing to do with the color of their skin and everything to do with the sentimental and social victim mentality they are being taught by leftist.

No man made product on Earth can exist, that was not in fact “man made”. I know that sounds like nonsense but its a point lost upon leftist who seem to think people can get something for nothing without taking something from the person who made it. They demonize the producers, and engineers who make & provide their previous Good & services without a thought to fairness.

Instead the left has their mind filled with irrelevant history and outright ideological lies designed to convinced them that they are already owed whatever they want. The Democratic party sold theses lies for the propose of getting their base to support thief by government. A mainstay of Democratic politics. But invariably a secondary effect of this ideology is thief by individual & group.

I must admit I respect the individual thief a lot more than the one who does their stealing by way of the ballot box. At least the individual thief bares the individual risk of getting caught & shot. Thus in some minor way earn part of their keep.


19 posted on 04/10/2012 6:58:07 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise
"At least the individual thief bares the individual risk of getting caught & shot."

In that vein, because of the pain and suffering of taxpayers, caused by vote fraud and corruption, it's far more serious than "petty theft" at the ballot box.

Perhaps armed poll watchers would be in order?

20 posted on 04/10/2012 7:08:29 PM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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