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Jim Rob Is Right - But Conservatives HERE Have TWO Jobs To Do!
4/10/12 | Ron C

Posted on 04/10/2012 5:52:15 PM PDT by Ron C.

Edited on 04/10/2012 6:11:00 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Jim Rob Is Right - But Conservatives Here Have TWO Jobs To Do!

First - blow off that feeling that we're going to lose, or already have lost! No, we're going to WIN.

First item of business, get invovlved in the Tea Party movement, and give D.C. a whole new influx of conservatives in Congress similar in size and importance to that of the last election - thereby blocking any of Obamas chances of having Congressional support for his machinations. Note too, the Tea Party used the GOP vehicle, not a third party. Reason, third parties are losers, because they don't have the national organization and presence large enough to compete.

FReepers need to get involved locally. There are tens of thousands of empty seats in local district Committees of the GOP across this nation - caused mostly by conservative appathy! Just by showing up regularly, you can be assured of gaining a seat from which you can VOTE - go to your county committees and vote there - and go to your state party conventions and vote there! (I personally helped see the ouster of liberal GOP control of the California GOP. Yes it was hard work, but we won - and that win has been, and can be duplicated in these perilous times through the 'hard work' of just SHOWING UP!)

Conservatives have a chance to block Obama, if not replace him. We CAN do that, but conservatives can not win by voting third-party - it's a throw-away vote that nets nothing.

The current GOP-E is NOT the friend of FREEDOM - but they are a very tiny group of RINO's that we can beat the snot out of - simply by doing what we can at the local district and state level. We - FReepers, and other dedicated conservatives - can and have ultimately fielded who becomes part of the GOP establishment. We need to OWN it like we did in the Reagan era, not destroy it through lack of attention to our God given orders to be 'watchmen on the wall' of who become our leaders.

No - it's not too late to shoulder your own responsibility - and earn your own right to say, 'I have fought the good fight, and WE WON.' There will be many opportunities in coming days to 'get involved' - don't let them slip by. Take advantage of the huge opportunities - you can, and will make a difference! It is quite fulfilling to debate hated RINO's FACE TO FACE - WIN when the vote is tallied - and see them denied a seat in party or public office!

Last but not least - we ALL need to get behind our Freepathon. Isn't it worth at least a dollar per day to you to come here, read, post, laugh and debate? Yes, I know, times are rough, and the 'cost of living' has gone way up. But, I'll bet you blow a lot on chocolate cake and ice cream or (insert your favorite deserts) - I, unfortunately, do! So let's all try to push this FReepathon toward an early completion - it might help save your waistline! LOL


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To: servantboy777

I took my action in late October of 2008. I’m not all that concerned who the president is, especially considering the choices we have.


251 posted on 04/11/2012 4:43:15 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

—What about the captain that flees on his own before the sinking, like the captain of the Costa Concordia?—

That would not work as an analogy to this. The ship has hit the iceberg and is going down. Heck, it hit the iceberg before obama was elected. Remember QE1. Remember the “emergency” meeting of Congress back then that some revealed scared the crap out of them.

They have effectively kicked the can down the road a few times, but they are running out of kicks.


252 posted on 04/11/2012 4:45:08 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cracker45
That kinda sounds like a backhanded endorsement of obama to me and an insult to conservatives! Is that right, eh??

It's a description of reality. I will never vote for Obama. I will never vote for Romney. Both of them are really bad for this country and I will not lend my support to either--ever.
253 posted on 04/11/2012 4:52:03 AM PDT by Antoninus (The Republican Party (now a wholly owned subsidiary of Romney, Inc.))
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To: ishmac; Jeff Head
I do think there is one genuine positive with Romney: he’s truly worried about China. He is probably for revising our disastrous trade regime with the Chicoms.

Obama is dismantling our military. He is making all sorts of dangerous deals with the Russians on nukes and missile defense. I don't know if Romney can or would reverse this trend, but I would think, or hope, that he would at least pull back from the self-destroying course Obama has the country on. The Russians, the ChiComs, Hugo Chavez, Iran and Obama have designs for a "new world order" with a substantially weaker USA.

254 posted on 04/11/2012 5:05:49 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ishmac; Jeff Head
The Putin-ChiCom-Chavez-Iran-Obama "New World Order"

We are creating a new world, a balanced world. A new world order, a multipolar world,” Chavez told reporters during a visit to Communist China, one of many. His “new world order” includes [RUSSIA], China, Iran,... and a significantly weakened United States, he explained.

Resurgent Communism in Latin America
by Alex Newman, March 16, 2010:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/south-america-mainmenu-37/3122-resurgent-communism-in-latin-america?tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page=
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From the Russian News and Information Agency:
July 27, 2006
"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060727/51913498.html
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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."

http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2005/09/war-games-russia-china-grow-alliance

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170287,00.html
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Russia's Medvedev hails "comrade" Obama

Associated Foreign Press (AFP) ^ | April 2, 2009 | Anna Smolchenko

"Russia's Dmitry Medvedev hailed Barack Obama as "my new comrade" Thursday after their first face-to-face talks"

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gEo4B1heuBvO6KK7EiBHKigO1UrA

April 1, 2009:
"Obama, Medvedev pledge new era of relations":
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/specialreport/news/419496_88/1/.html
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President Obama and Venezuela dictator Hugo
Chavez at the 2009 Summit of the Americas in Trinidad.
Note the "soul bro" handshake. (my caption)

Obama, Chavez shake hands at Americas Summit:
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2009/04/17/2698451-obama-chavez-shake-hands-at-americas-summit
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From CBS-News, July 29, 2006:

Chavez Vows To 'Stand By Iran'
After Oil Talks In Tehran, Venezuelan Leader Called 'Brother' By Ahmedinejad

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"Chavez pledged that his country would 'stay by Iran at any time and under any condition,' state television reported. Ahmadinejad said he saw in Chavez a kindred spirit." "'We do not have any limitation in cooperation,' Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying. 'Iran and Venezuela are next to each other and supporters of each other. Chavez is a source of a progressive and revolutionary current in South America and his stance in restricting imperialism is tangible.'":
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/29/world/main1847331.shtml
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http://article.wn.com/view/2009/06/16/Iran_president_visits_Russia_despite_protests/

255 posted on 04/11/2012 5:06:54 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ishmac; Jeff Head
From the campaign trail, February 2008...

Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs

February 29, 2008 :: News
MissileThreat.com

A video has surfaced of Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama talking on his plans for strategic issues such as nuclear weapons and missile defense.

The full text from the video, as released, reads as follows:

Thanks so much for the Caucus4Priorities, for the great work you've been doing. As president, I will end misguided defense policies and stand with Caucus4Priorities in fighting special interests in Washington.

First, I'll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning. And as president I will end it.[not win it -etl]

Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending.

I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.

I will not weaponize space.

I will slow our development of future combat systems.

And I will institute an independent "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.

Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert [they are NOT on "hair-trigger alert" now -etl], and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.

You know where I stand. I've fought for open, ethical and accountable government my entire public life. I don't switch positions or make promises that can't be kept. I don't posture on defense policy and I don't take money from federal lobbyists for powerful defense contractors. As president, my sole priority for defense spending will be protecting the American people. Thanks so much.

Article: Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs:
http://missilethreat.com/archives/id.7086/detail.asp

"MissileThreat.com is a project of The Claremont Institute devoted to understanding and promoting the requirements for the strategic defense of the United States."
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"I will not weaponize space"

"I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems"
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2008 Pentagon Report (March 2008):
China's Growing Military Space Power

By Leonard David
Special Correspondent, SPACE.com
March 6, 2008

GOLDEN, Colorado — A just-released Pentagon report spotlights a growing U.S. military concern that China is developing a multi- dimensional program to limit or prevent the use of space-based assets by its potential adversaries during times of crisis or conflict.

Furthermore, last year's successful test by China of a direct-ascent, anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon to destroy its own defunct weather satellite, the report adds, underscores that country's expansion from the land, air, and sea dimensions of the traditional battlefield into the space and cyber-space domains.

Although China's commercial space program has utility for non- military research, that capability demonstrates space launch and control know-how that have direct military application. Even the Chang'e 1 — the Chinese lunar probe now circling the Moon — is flagged in the report as showcasing China's ability "to conduct complicated space maneuvers — a capability which has broad implications for military counterspace operations."

To read the entire publication [29.67MB/pdf], see U.S. Dept of Defense:
http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pdfs/China_Military_Report_08.pdf

256 posted on 04/11/2012 5:07:31 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ishmac; Jeff Head
Obama To Betray Missile Defense Secrets To Moscow
Investor's Business Daily ^ | January 9, 2012 | IBD staff

Appeasement: From ObamaCare to recess appointments, honoring the Constitution has not been an administration hallmark. But when it comes to betraying secrets to mollify the Russians, it becomes a document the president hides behind.

It was bad enough that the 2012 defense authorization bill signed by President Obama set America on a downward spiral of military mediocrity.

He also issued a signing statement, something he once opposed, saying that language in the bill aimed at protecting top-secret technical data on the U.S. Standard Missile-3 — linchpin of our missile defense — might impinge on his constitutional foreign-policy authority.

Section 1227 of the defense law prohibits spending any funds that would be used to give Russian officials access to sensitive missile-defense technology as part of a cooperation agreement without first sending Congress a report identifying the specific secrets, how they'd be used and steps to protect the data from compromise.

The president is required to certify that any technology shared will not be passed on to third parties such as China, North Korea or Iran, that the Russians will not use transferred secrets to develop countermeasures and that the Russians are reciprocating in sharing missile-defense technology.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...

257 posted on 04/11/2012 5:07:56 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: The Citizen Soldier

Interesting. I believe that God judges us on our acts; this idea that believing in God or Jesus renders forgiveness makes no sense at all. We have to fight evil when it crosses our path; it’s our duty.

I will do everything possible to end Obama’s evil acts upon this nation. You, I see, don’t agree with me. We have a choice. Don’t let your over-inflated ego get in your way of ending Obama’s reign. Read Michelle Malkin’s column today. More forces are at work than you may know. The stakes are tremendous and you’ve misidentified the enemy.

By the way, I’m a Palin fan. I’m disappointed as well. But my patriotism comes first, not my ego.


258 posted on 04/11/2012 5:09:19 AM PDT by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: Antoninus
It's a description of reality. I will never vote for Obama. I will never vote for Romney. Both of them are really bad for this country and I will not lend my support to either--ever.

I completely agree. My vote in November will be a third party or write-in protest vote.

We have three overriding problems in this country (well, the whole western world to be more precise) that are responsible for our political dilemma:

1. The central power structures of government and finance have been completely taken over by a Political super-class which is a modern interpretation of the absolute power of royalty. Our "two-party" system is a farce used to fool the rest of us into thinking we have a choice in our government. We do not.

2. After a couple of generations, this political elite has successfully bred a substantial percentage of the population who are perfectly content to live their lives as ignorant subjects (as opposed to citizens) so long as they are "taken care of". This destroys the ability of the remaining free-thinking population to change things via democratic means.

3. Even the remaining free-thinkers of various "conservative" principles are too deeply divided to form a significant resistance. Half of this conservative superset focuses primarily on religious and socially conservative issues, while the other half focuses on personal liberty and fiscal conservatism. A candidate who appeals to one subset turns off the other.

I'm sure the collapse of society during the waning days of the Roman Empire wasn't pretty. I guess we'll all get to see what the collapse of this modern Western civilization is going to be like, because I just don't see a popular will to avoid it.

259 posted on 04/11/2012 5:12:20 AM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: ETL

Yep our military will bear the brunt of Obamas another 4 years not to mention NASA. Im really getting sick of the people of this country, we deserve to fail as a nation if people will allow Obama another 4 more years. I dont like Mitt but at this point anything is better than Obama. God help us all if some of you so call conservative vote for Obama.


260 posted on 04/11/2012 5:12:20 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME; 2ndDivisionVet
Which is idiotic. Obama will destroy what's left of the country.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Its not idiotic. Thats what its going to take to rid ourselves of Obama, the destruction of our country, which will happen anyway under Romney.

If you think we can rid ourselves of Obama and his nationalist socialist party by electing the likes of Romney, with their downfall, "business as usual" attitude towards Obama, you are very mistaken.

Only a conservative who can name Obama publicly for what he is, draw the line in the sand and take him on toe to toe can defeat him. Romney can't do any of that, nor can the GOP. I will therefore not vote GOP.

And to bring on a more rapid polarization of America, and to bring on the destruction of the GOP as it is now, I will most certainly vote for Obama , unless the Tea Party offers a 3rd party option.

I will NEVER vote for ANY GOP candidate again....EVER! I am done, and so are most of us conservatives. EFF EVERY ONE OF THOSE GOP RINO BASTIDS. I am Tea Party ALL the way, or I 'll vote Obama if the Tea Party does not forward two candidates for the presidency.

THE GOP HAS FINALLY DESTROYED ITS CONSERVATIVE BASE

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261 posted on 04/11/2012 5:14:05 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: TBP

Pretty much the same? Romney wants to redistribute wealth? He hates this nation? He will bow to third world leaders? He’s a marxist? He’s never held a real job? His wife made $300,000 a year doing nothing? He’s akin to a community organizer?

My God, some of you Freepers are just plain delusional, or stupid.


262 posted on 04/11/2012 5:15:23 AM PDT by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: MARKUSPRIME
Yep our military will bear the brunt of Obamas another 4 years not to mention NASA. Im really getting sick of the people of this country, we deserve to fail as a nation if people will allow Obama another 4 more years. I dont like Mitt but at this point anything is better than Obama. God help us all if some of you so call conservative vote for Obama.

I don't recall seeing anyone say they're going to vote for Obama. Actually, a vote for Romney IS a vote for Obama, because they are functionally equivalent and things would not be materially any different under a Romney administration than they are now under Obama. They are both part of the political elite superclass, manipulating us with the illusion of a two-party system.

Regarding our military - our military complex is part of the problem. It could easily be HALF its current size and still be perfectly able to carry out its Constitutionally-legitimate defensive functions.

263 posted on 04/11/2012 5:20:07 AM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: Ron C.

Now that Romney has the nomination sewn up and is on track to dutifully fulfill the GOP E`s agenda and lose by a landslide to Obama, my attention is now turned to holding onto the House. As for the Senate, I`m backing Jamie Radtke here in VA as the conservative to face 0bama`s pet `rat Tim Kaine in November.

As for the Presidential “race,” I`m looking toward the Constitution Party if it nominates Virgil Goode. The upside is that he has as strong a chance at beating Obama as Romney does. With no base and generating no excitement, and with women gravitating back to Daddy/Lover/Provider/Protector Big Government.. not to mention Obama`s machine having not yet even cranked up, Romney is clearly at a huge disadvantage.

The end result is going to make McCain`s loss in 2008 look like a squeaker.


264 posted on 04/11/2012 5:29:46 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: Zeddicus
Regarding our military - our military complex is part of the problem. It could easily be HALF its current size and still be perfectly able to carry out its Constitutionally-legitimate defensive functions.

That's a dangerous statement to make on a FR board. Many reputable military annalists say our military, under Obama, is significantly weaker than it needs to be. Obama is selling us out, particularly on nukes and missile defense. It's the sort of thing leftists, pretending to be 'patriotic', say.

265 posted on 04/11/2012 5:32:33 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Zeddicus
Deep defense cuts mean fewer troops

AP via YahooNews ^ | November 15, 2011
DONNA CASSATA - Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — The number of U.S. ground forces would drop to levels not seen since 1940, the Navy would drop to the smallest number of ships since 1915 and the Air Force would be the smallest ever, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said in warning Congress of the dire implications of deeper defense cuts.

The Pentagon chief on Monday offered a litany of drastic steps triggered by the automatic, across-the-board cuts if Congress' supercommittee fails to come up with a $1.2 trillion deficit-cutting plan by Nov. 23. If the panel stumbles, the Pentagon faces some $500 billion in reductions in projected spending over 10 years — on top of the $450 billion already under way.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...

266 posted on 04/11/2012 5:33:45 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL
I don't know if Romney can or would reverse this trend, but I would think, or hope, that he would at least pull back from the self-destroying course Obama has the country on.

We were told similar things back when Dole was foisted on us by the Ruling Class against Clinton in 1996 and McCain against Obama in 2008.

2012 is a Ruling Class Repeat - a shell game and I refuse to play their game and thus add to the illusion that we are still a Republic under the rule of law.

History is a great teacher, and few will admit what time it is for us, and most will show hubris and ignorance and assert what happened before cannot happen here.

But it has happened, right in our faces and we, like idiots continue to suck it up and deceive ourselves into believing that this election can put a stop to or slow down what the Ruling Class has irrevocably put us on a track for.

On top of that, while America could survive a tyrant like Obama and a Socialist like Romney, it CANNOT survive the fools that put such men into power.

267 posted on 04/11/2012 5:34:17 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
Kind of see it this way ...
The elites told us they were on the Dole to give us a second term of clintoons.
Then the elites said McCain them Conservatives, to give us a zer0 or obamanation.
Now the elites give us a myth with mittens, to give us more of the obamanation.

Wasn't intelligent of the elites. All they did was make us more angry.

268 posted on 04/11/2012 5:52:27 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: ETL

Yep military industrial complex is the leftist talking points. We have to have a superior military, anyone who thinks other wise is an absolute idiot militarily or a paulbot dope smoker. Anyhow Im done here, I’ll see you all on the other side when the US collapses after Obama, we wont have time to recover and I fear most people now are lashing out and grasping at straws. If Obama wins this nation as we know it is done, period, and the libs will control whats left forever from 2016 and beyond. Its been a good run see you.


269 posted on 04/11/2012 5:54:52 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: INVAR
America could survive a tyrant like Obama

After another 4 years of Obama, it may well be too late to restore the military and our standing in the world. Recall his "open mike" comments/concessions to Putin puppet, Medvedev.

Open Mic Catches Obama Asking Medvedev for Space on Missile Defense
March 26, 2012

"In a private conversation about the planned U.S.-led NATO missile defense system in Europe, President Barack Obama asked outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev for space on the issue.

“This is my last election,” Obama told Medvedev. “After my election I have more flexibility.”

“I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir,” Medvedev said, referring to incoming President Vladimir Putin."

http://fox8.com/2012/03/26/open-mic-catches-obama-asking-medvedev-for-space-on-missile-defense/
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Obama was talking with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev when neither of them realized that their conversation was being picked up by microphones. Here is what they said:

Obama: “On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved, but it’s important for him to give me space.”

Medvedev: “Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you ...”

Obama: “This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility.”

Medvedev: “I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.”

“This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.” That statement tells us much about the president’s mindset.

The specific mention of missile defense is worrisome enough. Mr. Obama has retreated from the missile defense plan that was negotiated with European allies during the George W. Bush administration. Apparently, he is signaling Moscow that he intends to retreat further. The clear implication from the president’s comments is that he cannot tell the American people before the election what he plans to do after the election.

In addition, there is the phrase “on all these issues,” implying more is at stake than just missile defense.”

Article: Obama plans double cross on missile defense
When it comes to keeping America safe, we shouldn’t be too flexible:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/29/obama-plans-double-cross-on-missile-defense/print/

270 posted on 04/11/2012 5:56:47 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: All

.....anyone who thinks and posts that Romney would be worse than Obama needs their computers impounded.

Look around you. This site has been anti-Romney for years and that’s Jim Rob’s right. After all it’s his site.

Little Green Footballs was once a very readable site too until Charles Johnson went so anti-conservative to make LGF unreadable.

I will vote for anybody except Obama and absolutely anyone claiming to be a conservative on this site and proclaims they will vote for Obama are lying about being a conservative and a troll.

Ban me if you want Jim but I will never, ever vote for Obama.


271 posted on 04/11/2012 5:59:54 AM PDT by Chuck54 (Budget? Don't need one. Did I mention I got Bin Laden& Ghaddafi? ....and I'm awesome.)
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To: Zeddicus
3. Even the remaining free-thinkers of various "conservative" principles are too deeply divided to form a significant resistance.

You make great points. Here though, I'd like to direct your attention to the fact that if the Federal government were reigned in and religious and social issues where left to the State and Local governments, as per the constitution, then these issues wouldn't be as divisive as they are today, on a national level.

272 posted on 04/11/2012 6:05:43 AM PDT by Errant
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To: ETL

Yes, all that too.

Not sure how to reverse the current policy about homosexuals in the military; that looks irreversible. A lot of other stuff IS reversible, at least in principle.

Oh well, support Mourdock against Lugar in Indiana, Hoekstra against Stabinow in Michigan, Ted Cruz for Kay Bailey’s seat in Texas, etc. Send ‘em money, et al. If you can’t run yourself, support your local hobbits for everything from dogcatcher to district school board. Work like Hell for the country class.

And PRAY,PRAY, PRAY, because winning this fight is beyond the strength of mere mortals to achieve.


273 posted on 04/11/2012 6:12:05 AM PDT by ishmac (Lady Thatcher:"There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.)
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To: gortklattu
Ok, point-by-point

Romney wants to redistribute wealth?
Actually, yes he does. ANY candidate that does not vow an immediate end to federal deficit spending - i.e. no more increases to the debt ceiling - is de facto supporting redistribution of wealth simply because more than 60% of Federal spending is going to social entitlement programs, which are by definition wealth-redistribution mechanisms.

Furthermore, Romney has already demonstrated wealth-redistribution of his own making - his "universal health care" program here in my home state of MA. This is by definition, redistribution of wealth. So yes, he's a liberal redistributionist. Q.E.D.

He hates this nation?
Irrelevant rhetorical question. We cannot ever know what any other man truly loves or hates - we can only measure his actions. Romney's actions define him as a liberal redistributionist.

He will bow to third world leaders?
I have not yet seen his pledge to get us on a path towards true energy independence, such as LFTR nuclear plants and coal liquification. In the absence of such a plan, any US leader is therefor forced to bow to third world leaders, as sustaining this source of foreign energy is our military's #1 mission. Q.E.D.

He’s a marxist?
He has already demonstrated support of wealth redistribution. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is the core principle of Marxism. What do you think?

He’s never held a real job?
Prior job history is irrelevant - what matters is how he would govern. If our President is a liberal redistributionist and governs as such, what possible difference does it make what he did in former employment?

His wife made $300,000 a year doing nothing? He’s akin to a community organizer?

Both points are again irrelevant since he's already defined himself through his own actions to be a big-government, liberal redistributionist with no intention to stop deficit spending, unwind the unConstitutional social entitlement programs, or get us onto a path of real energy independence.

274 posted on 04/11/2012 6:12:08 AM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: INVAR
On top of that, while America could survive a tyrant like Obama and a Socialist like Romney, it CANNOT survive the fools that put such men into power.

And that happened because WE were lulled into going to sleep at the wheel, leaving our children to be dumbed down by our schools (government run) and media (corporate run) for generations now.

Some even say it was a communist plot. Even if it was, it could never have happened if we had been vigilant.

275 posted on 04/11/2012 6:19:12 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Chode

Um, because it is less evil? Less evil better than more evil.


276 posted on 04/11/2012 6:22:50 AM PDT by JTHomes (A lot of injustice is done under the cover of law.)
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To: Pravious

You assume that I’d vote for an unacceptable candidate, third party or not. This is the arrogant Establishment argument:”Shut up and vote for us. We own your vote. If we don’t; get it, you took from us what belongs to us.” Sorry, but it’s my vote and I will use it only to support the principles of liberty.

You waste your vote when you vote for what you don’t believe. Even if there is an R after it.


277 posted on 04/11/2012 6:36:06 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: gortklattu

http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2012/02/mitt-romney-and-sal-alinsky.html

Mitt Romney and Barack Obama look an awful lot a like on paper. Both have passionately fought for abortion rights. Both have sought for more gun control. Both are tax and spenders who grew big government. Both pushed for Romneycare which became Obamacare as executive office holders.

There may also be a radical leftist connection for the both of them. It seems Barack Obama may not be the only student of Saul Alinsky, who wrote Rules for Radicals. It turns out Romney too was a 60s radical that studied Alinksy.


278 posted on 04/11/2012 6:45:03 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Ron C.

People will pound their chest over how self-righteous-conservative-pure they are and not vote for a specific candidate but I seriously doubt that through the entire nomination process they have adhered to one and only one candidate. From H Cain to whoever... Its called compromise.

You accept the person as best you can and move on with doing your job in life to hold up the ideals you love.

There is a choice between Romney and Obama. You have to be pride-filled-stupid not to see it.


279 posted on 04/11/2012 6:53:48 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: Terry Mross

>> obamacare was supposed to have been defunded <<

A lot of it WAS defunded, in a House bill. But it was put back in by Senate Dhimms in committee. So the final version of this particular spending bill will have to be worked out by a House-Senate conference. Stay tuned!


280 posted on 04/11/2012 6:56:37 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: rogue yam

>> now Robert Bork is a commie too? <<

Obviously, along with John Bolton, Jim DeMint and Paul Ryan.


281 posted on 04/11/2012 6:59:52 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Norm Lenhart

January 21, 2013 is the time to start talking “third party.” I will vote against Obama in November.


282 posted on 04/11/2012 7:08:58 AM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org: Have mustard seed & I'm not afraid to use it. 2 men inherited a Bush economy.)
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To: Ron C.

This is the attitude we have to have!!

Yes, the majority of us on free republic can’t stand Mittens. But we will support and vote for him. Meanwhile we need to clean out the Augean stables underneath him, down ticket. It will be a herculian task to be sure. Hercules may have cleaned those stables out in a day, but this party will not be cleaned of RINOS in a day. It started in 2010. We need to keep it going in 2012!!


283 posted on 04/11/2012 7:36:25 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Ron C.
Ohaha had two major pieces of legislation which were supposed to fuel his reelection: (1) the trillions dollar stimulus which bombed, and, (2) the healthcare mandate which could soon be kaputski or partially disemboweled by the USSC.

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Obama's open mic slip in Russia revealed his hidden agenda. He didnt say "after the election, or “after the next election.” He said: “This is my last election" ....... reassuring the Ruskis that he'll then have "more flexibility after the election....”

Clearly Ohaha's certainty WRT staying in offce is not based on his approval ratings or massive opposition to his cockamamie polices----mandated healthcare, trillion dollar stimulus, using aborted babies' brains in lab experiments, giving himself massive executive power over Americans, co-opting religious beliefs, high gas prices, the GSA scandal......to name a few.

No. Ohaha's certainty stems from his knowledge that he will stay in office---not by the will of the people---but by buying his reelection, using unprecedented vote fraud.

FIRST AND FOREMOST----WE MUST ATTACK THE MASSIVE
VOTER FRAUD OHAHA INTENDS TO USE TO GET REELECTED.

Remember, voter fraud is the Chi/mobs' specialty---do NOT underestimate Rahm and Axelrod (both running O's reelection), and Valerie whatsherface in the WH.

Let us not forget----the minute they hit the WH, the Chi/mob went into action: the WH Chi/mob took over the census---and now have all the CV they need to file phony FEC reports using stolen federal dollars as campaign contributions.

THIS MADE ME LAUGH OUT LOUD Obama's ex-COS "Wall Street Rahm" "suddenly" discovered he wanted to be Chicago's mayor---the little turd went before the mics and announced his campaign "raised $10 million in just a few weeks." Rahm also controlled the US Treasury as COS. This turd-o-crat knows where all the stolen Federal money is hidden....Wall Street knows how to make money disappear faster than a cream puff at a Weight Watcher weigh-in.

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Do not underestimate the cash the Ohahas/Chi-mob can come up with to fix the election......remember, these are the kingpins of Chicago politics. At one time, conscientious FEC investigators verified money was coming from legal citizens....but if Obama wins there will be no investigations. Remember, there are billions unaccounted for in Obama's stimulus packages (probably used in the last election cycle).....you can be sure the Ohaha kingpins have tons of money stashed away for 2012.

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POINTS TO PONDER

<><> author Dean Koontz estimates there's about $90 billion missing from the US Treasury.

<><> Ohaha's ex-COS Chi/Mayor Rahm Emanuel is running the reelection campaign----b/c this Wall Street turd knows where all the money is hidden. Rahm also controlled all US Treasury assets (at Obama's behest) when he was COS.

<><>The Ohahas took control of the census upon taking office----they have all the necessary CV to phony up contribution reports for the FEC.

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WATCH FOR PHONY FEC REPORTS The Ohaha's "say" they added $45 million to reelection coffers in February.....raised jointly by the DNC, "Obama for America" and two other joint fundraising committees — the "Obama Victory Fund" and the "Swing State Victory Fund,"...and whatever other voter frauds they dream up.

284 posted on 04/11/2012 7:38:09 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Hawthorn
Obviously, along with John Bolton, Jim DeMint and Paul Ryan.

...and Bobby Jindal, Herman Cain, Marco Rubio...

285 posted on 04/11/2012 7:48:05 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: RIghtwardHo

So do we pray for a new candidate to come out of a brokered Convention?

How else to get another good choice?


286 posted on 04/11/2012 7:53:43 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: blondee123

Thanks!

BTW, which of these two questions, IYHO, will bother THE NINE SUPREMES the most?

1.) A mandate is merely a dictate. Thus, if we are dictated to, do we then live under a Dictatorship?

2.) If our freedom of choice is taken from us by the dictates of a hostile Federal government, then what Liberty do we have left?


287 posted on 04/11/2012 8:06:27 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: hocndoc
January 21, 2013 is the time to start talking “third party.”

I largely agree.

I signed up here as the Libertarian Party candidate for Texas governor in 2010. I have been very restrained in posting on this forum so as not to wear out my welcome. But I read regularly here and find the discussion of "lesser of two evils" and "wasted vote syndrome" within the conservative movement fascinating.

When you get to the point of considering a third party, I will be glad to share what I have learned about that subject. For a quick study, Houstonians can hear me speak at the John Birch Society meeting on April 19th on my plan to save America in Texas using nullification and the Texas Libertarian Party. Or, you can catch my You Tube speech at LibertyFest West on the same subject.

Toward Liberty, Kathie Glass

288 posted on 04/11/2012 8:10:25 AM PDT by kathie4guv (Vote Kathie Glass for Texas governor for a secure border.)
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To: Ron C.

To those of you with hopes of the “Great Tea Party” you do realize that on average 45% of them voted for Romney don’t you? The tea party is not made up of like minded rabid conservatives such as are on this site.

People can scream and yell that that the system is fixed but it’s not, people actually voted and got Romney to where he is today, and as hard as it is for many to accept, conservatives and tea party folks put Romney where he is, at the top.

It’s like I said before, John F. Kennedy would be to the right of most of those calling themselves Republicans today, that is the state of the union.


289 posted on 04/11/2012 8:16:35 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Flightdeck

This is about conservationism. It isn’t about one election or one man. IF Romney is elected, Conservatism dies.


290 posted on 04/11/2012 8:23:10 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Scythian
To those of you with hopes of the “Great Tea Party” you do realize that on average 45% of them voted for Romney don’t you?

That's exactly right. It's like people haven't even taken the time out to look at the exit poll breakdowns from the primaries. Tea Party people elected in 2010 and folks like DeMint and Ted Nugent are even supporting Romney. They know he's the last man standing. No one stopped other conservatives from jumping into the race. Some chose to get in, others didn't, some were eliminated during the voting process and others dropped out. This is the end game and it is what it is. Anyone who thinks Newt is going to pick up enough delegates in the upcoming states and raise enough money to compete is out of touch with reality.

291 posted on 04/11/2012 8:32:56 AM PDT by jersey117 (The Stepford Media should be sued for malpractice)
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To: GOPsterinMA

Ok, well here is a reason to avoid the “anybody but...” attitude that gave us Obama in the first place.

Romney supporters seem to understand on some level that Romney isn’t going to actually fix anything - the best you are hoping for is less of the badness we’re currently getting from Obama, with a vague sense of hopefulness about somehow fixing stuff another four years down the road.

Not gonna happen. Why? Because “less bad” from Romney is still bad enough that we’ll be screwed - we simply cannot go on with endless deficit spending and financial corruption, and Mitt will stop neither.

It’s still going to fail with a President Romney, only now it will be the Republicans’ fault, guaranteeing another Demonrat win in 2016. No, let the Democrats own this mess. I won’t be part of giving them conservative cover by voting for Obama Lite.


292 posted on 04/11/2012 8:36:18 AM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: Scythian
Exactly right Scythian, which is why we will get the government we deserve. By and large, America wants a large, powerful, deficit-spending, wealth-redistributing central government, and to hell with the Constitution. This includes many who call themselves "conservative".

Can't really blame the politicians. We put them there and gave them the power over the past several decades. We created this new royal class of the professional political elite, and made ourselves their subjects by asking them to take care of us.

293 posted on 04/11/2012 8:44:36 AM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: geologist

Sadly, we are just stuck. Sometimes that happens and it is horribly disappointing. We pick ourselves up, keep fighting, stay smart, and look to the future. It’s the old, “just cause you lose a battle doesn’t mean you lose the war” thing.

Some people think we can do this quickly. We can’t. And to try it quickly (i.e. hold nose and vote Romney) WILL lose the war.

Conservatism isn’t going anywhere as long as we don’t kill it.


294 posted on 04/11/2012 8:51:01 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Chode; dayglored

295 posted on 04/11/2012 8:55:12 AM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Flightdeck

Vote against Romney.
Then vote against Obama.

Vote tea party in remaining primaries.
A tea party congress can keep Romney in check.
Call and let Republicans know you’re pissed about the direction the party is going and you support the formation of a separate tea party vote for 2014.


296 posted on 04/11/2012 9:17:53 AM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Zeddicus

If you think I’m a Romney “supporter” you’re very mistaken. There are thousands of my anti-Romney posts here on FR. I live in MA, I’ve lived under his governance. He earned every penny of the salary he never took.


297 posted on 04/11/2012 9:19:07 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Has Mittens won one "Red State" yet?)
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To: GOPsterinMA

Lacking intelligence, a lot of the Do-Nothings have no other argument than to call anti-Obamites “Romney Supporters.” When their world view doesn’t extend much beyond their own mirror, one can’t expect them to see clearly.


298 posted on 04/11/2012 9:25:42 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: cuban leaf
Except that the captain of the Titanic went down with the ship. I thought you began the analogy by saying that you didn't expect Obama to finish his term. He would be abandoning his ship after he damaged it but before it went down.

I'm curious as to why you think he'd not finish his term. If he walks away, he'd be labeled a quitter like they did to Sarah Palin when she resigned as governor of Alaska.

If Obama stays and loses, he can still run again in the future for a second term (like Grover Cleveland). If he walks away from his first term, nobody will elect him again in the future.

-PJ

299 posted on 04/11/2012 9:31:24 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Scythian

“People can scream and yell that that the system is fixed but it’s not, people actually voted and got Romney to where he is today, and as hard as it is for many to accept, conservatives and tea party folks put Romney where he is, at the top.”

A good point which is roundly ignored. People rant against the GOP-e, but they’re not out paying people to vote for Romney.


300 posted on 04/11/2012 9:32:38 AM PDT by Pravious
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