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Bunkers, Food, Armor: Disaster Prep Hits Mainstream
PJ Media ^ | April 7, 2012 | Bob Owens

Posted on 04/10/2012 10:01:25 PM PDT by QT3.14

I’m not sure when the tipping point occurred, but at some point recently the “prepper” movement exploded and became mainstream.

Preppers are folks who detect the possibility of calamity and decide to increase their odds of surviving it by putting aside supplies. “Putting things by” — essential throughout most of humanity’s existence — was common in the United States up until advances in transportation logistics brought about the “just in time” shipping model. Suddenly, we could get almost any supplies delivered fresh and year-round to massive community stores. What our grandparents called “lean times” became a thing of the past for even the poorest Americans.

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KEYWORDS: emergency; good; prepper; preppers; shtf; survival; survivalist; zombie
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To: PA Engineer
Gotta know how to use it. Experiment with it.

My mirepoix works great for stock, because it's filtered out and thrown away and just the tasty flavorful liquid gets kept.

But put it in a soup and the celery might just kill you. It turns into some kind of space-age polymer auto-choking kind of unchewable thing.

The carrots are great in a soup, as are the onions.

Trick is to make the stuff. Use the stuff in everyday life, and figure out what works, and what you are going to feed the neighbor's dog so the little yapping bastard craps ugly on their carpet.

/johnny

51 posted on 04/10/2012 11:48:17 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Trick is to make the stuff. Use the stuff in everyday life, and figure out what works, and what you are going to feed the neighbor’s dog so the little yapping bastard craps ugly on their carpet.


LOL!!


52 posted on 04/10/2012 11:50:20 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: barmag25; Kartographer
Who does the weekly prepper thread?

Kart does.

/johnny

53 posted on 04/10/2012 11:51:36 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yep, Eff’em.


54 posted on 04/10/2012 11:52:27 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: barmag25
will probably look into supplementing my food supply with it. Mostly for camping trips with the kids and stuff.

Order samples. Try it. Feed it to the kids. See how it affects your bowels. You might be suprised.

Who buys a truck load of food without know for sure they like it? Everybody sells sample packs. Cheap enough, compared to buying a lot of something that nobody, including your neighbor's yapping little bastard dog would eat.

/johnny

55 posted on 04/10/2012 11:56:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: unkus
I has a grudge.

/johnny

56 posted on 04/10/2012 11:59:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You know how to do it, too.


57 posted on 04/11/2012 12:02:25 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: JRandomFreeper
My experiment is a little different. This picture is a little old now. Have four more planters and two more trellis. We'll probably take some more vertical. I'm going for an automated above ground system including watering and feeding. My screen name. I know it will work, but it is still an experiment.
58 posted on 04/11/2012 12:10:27 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: unkus
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for everybody, including me and the little yapping bastard living through this. It's just an annoyance.

But I'm also big on folks knowing what the heck they are buying and storing.

Have you ever eaten sea-bicuit? Otherwise know as hard-tack? Otherwise known as issued from Civil War stores to troops during the Spanish-American war?

Talk about suckage on the front line.

One thing I did my second elistment, as a culinary pro... I took my food skills to the enlisted and made them the very best with everthing I had, could steal, or scrounge.

No more hard-tack for the troops or for any of 'my people'. My people being those under my care, regardless of race or religion.

/johnny

59 posted on 04/11/2012 12:17:45 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: PA Engineer
You are doing great with growing the stuff. Just experiment with preserving it.

I look forward to seeing a thread explaining the gritty details.

If you like, I could suggest recipes for what you are growing.

And I could call dibs on that 2nd to last one on the southwest corner for a napping place. I might need a fat girl to keep me warm, depending on how cold it gets there.

But those look like comfy beds.

/johnny

60 posted on 04/11/2012 12:23:08 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
One thing I did my second elistment, as a culinary pro... I took my food skills to the enlisted and made them the very best with everthing I had, could steal, or scrounge.

No more hard-tack for the troops or for any of 'my people'. My people being those under my care, regardless of race or religion.

You might enjoy (or perhaps you have already read it), A Culinary Campaign by Alexis Soyer (who promoted the improvement of field cookery during the Crimean War).

http://www.amazon.com/Culinary-Campaign-Southover-Historic-Housekeeping/dp/1870962117/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1334128729&sr=8-3

61 posted on 04/11/2012 12:24:50 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: QT3.14

When Walmart sells assault rifles, you gotta know that 1000 round ammo cans of 5.56mm NATO on stripper clips sold out of Costco can't be far behind.

62 posted on 04/11/2012 12:26:06 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid
That's a Good Thing(tm). Sigh. We maybe get to keep our republic.

/johnny

63 posted on 04/11/2012 12:29:48 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
If you like, I could suggest recipes for what you are growing.

That is a big yeah. You can even crash here if you promise to do cooking and patrol shift. It can get a bit nippy though. That is the purpose of the greenhouse. You can never have enough wood stoves either.
64 posted on 04/11/2012 12:31:37 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Now if I could just find a MacBook with a hand crank on the side.....


65 posted on 04/11/2012 12:32:52 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: thecodont
Um... it was written in 1857, and the link you sent me to had it for $40 +/-? It's a free frigging book. I paid $1.70 for beef shanks and spent hours messing with it to have a decent meal.

I'm not going to pay $40US for a book that has an expired copyright. LONG TIME EXPIRED.

Forty freaking dollars, american? Are you insane?

/johnny

66 posted on 04/11/2012 12:35:43 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: PA Engineer

wood stoves either.

Amen.


67 posted on 04/11/2012 12:36:17 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: JRandomFreeper

Gotta tell ya, that Mountain House stuff is GOOD! In some cases, better than I can make fresh!

They have these single serving breakfast scrambled egg-bacon thingies that are superb, way good enough to get a guy started in the day.

Or get a good meal in yur gut and make you sleep well at night!

Sealed in foil/mylar, you just add a cup of boiling water and let it sit for 5 minutes or so.


68 posted on 04/11/2012 12:37:24 AM PDT by djf (Obama - the "OJ verdict" of presidents!!)
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To: papertyger
Hmmm. My Sony e-book feeds well off of the sunlight adapter.

/johnny

69 posted on 04/11/2012 12:37:50 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Sony?

You prolly have to have a special sun to power it ;o)


70 posted on 04/11/2012 12:41:07 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: djf
If you've tried it, and you like it, that's great. That's what I'm wanting. Bad idea for folks just to buy stuff without using it.

But you got something that works for you in the field. Use it. Rock on, and enjoy those crisp, clear mornings. I'll be making coffee and rolling a cigarette. ;)

/johnny

71 posted on 04/11/2012 12:41:51 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: papertyger
Nope, same one that powers my network.

Yeah... they have a funky USB thing going on. But just on one end. The other is standard issue. So that's what gets the juice.

Cooks can do stuff like that. In my world, anyway.

/johnny

72 posted on 04/11/2012 12:44:38 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: PA Engineer
Thanks for the Honeywell link, I'm very fortunate that there is a store just a couple of miles away in Rancho Cucamonga. I highly recommend that butane stove featured on there web site, about $20 and cans of butane are less than $2, Most Asian markets sell them as well.
73 posted on 04/11/2012 3:20:13 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

>>Prepping really took off back around 1978 when people got a real look at Jimmy Carter’s incompetence.

I read Howard Ruff in the late-70s as a teenager.


74 posted on 04/11/2012 3:33:51 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: QT3.14
I’m not sure when the tipping point occurred

While I've always had a full pantry, my tipping point came the second McLame said we had nothing to fear from Obama. What I'd suspected was confirmed that the GOP had gone to the dark side and that was the end of America.

75 posted on 04/11/2012 4:03:39 AM PDT by bgill
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To: mylife
He said that a damn squirrel!

I grew up on squirrel and other wildlife. Most country folk probably did, too. There's plenty here.

76 posted on 04/11/2012 4:07:57 AM PDT by bgill
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To: unkus

I was in a helicopter company. Scoring ‘C’s was easy, but but getting hold of long range patrol LRP rations was real gourmet cookin’. Freeze dried meals usually loaded with Woostershire or Tabasco. Use the C-4 to cook with but do not repeat do not step on it while its burning.

The C ration cookbook came out later IIRC.


77 posted on 04/11/2012 4:49:33 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: JRandomFreeper

There must be something about the fat around kidneys that is special. We raise rabbits for meat and we sell lots of them to fine dining restaurants. The chefs at these places all tell me the same thing; do not clean the rabbit too well at slaughter, especially around the kidneys. They prefer that the kidneys be completely untouched and they want every spec of fat left in place.

I remove the liver, the heart usually comes out on it’s own. I deliver those pieces separately to make pate’ but they can affect the flavor of the meat if left in place for too long.


78 posted on 04/11/2012 4:51:13 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindice)
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To: barmag25

beprepared.com


79 posted on 04/11/2012 4:52:16 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindice)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I have opened many of my freeze dried foods and we occasionally use them to make something for dinner or dessert. I keep open cans of onions, carrots, celery (mirepoix), green peppers, diced potatoes, etc. I use them if I run short of fresh and sometimes, depending on what I’m cooking, I use them all.

The potato dices make awesome hash browns. When milk topped $5 a gallon, we began to use the dried stuff. We now have a cow so we have fresh all the time. I buy wheat in 6 gallon buckets and bring my own flour with a grain mill. Two buckets last us about a year so I order 3 to 4 every spring.

The bulk of our storage food comes from “beprepared.com” and it is mostly meat, chicken, fruits and veggies. That is also where I buy my wheat, rice, beans, etc. We also get food every month from “the freezedryguy.com”. As unlikely as the name sounds, they sell top quality Mountain House products. We get 2 cases every month, 6 number 10 cans per case. The Mountain House products are all per-prepared dishes that require only water and heat.

Does this stuff taste as good as what I prepare out of my garden or from store bought? Absolutely not, nothing tastes as good as that. Can you live on it? Well, I lived for 2 years on C-rats, we didn’t have MRE’s when I was one of Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children, and this stuff makes MRE taste like cheap dog food.

Regarding your chickens, have you tried putting a light on a timer in the coop over winter? Chickens respond to the hours of daylight in a day. They won’t lay like it’s July, but you might see some improvement.


80 posted on 04/11/2012 5:25:23 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindice)
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To: barmag25

Put a light controlled by a timer in your coop. The chickens will think it’s summer and start laying. They don’t care about the cold, they need more “daylight”.


81 posted on 04/11/2012 5:31:07 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindice)
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To: QT3.14

I pray that canned ham and lima beans are not making a comeback.


82 posted on 04/11/2012 5:49:04 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: elcid1970

***Scoring ‘C’s was easy,***

***The C ration cookbook came out later IIRC.***

The Tobasco company offered a free booklet on their Tobasco sauce and C rations. I still have mine. I like the C rations. Used to go to the base exchange and buy their cooked hamburgers by the can, then warmed them up on a Sterno stove at the hootch.


83 posted on 04/11/2012 6:39:54 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Best `C’: spaghetti w/meatballs; canned beef OK too; ham&eggs not bad but needed Tabasco

Worst `C’: Ham & lima beans aka well you probably know.

`C’ pound cake: to die for

`C’ fruitcake: deadly when thrown like a baseball

`C’ tinned cheezwhiz: always welcome on crackers

But there was nothing like freeze dried LRPs. Years ahead of its time.


84 posted on 04/11/2012 7:16:32 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: barmag25
what would be the best freeze dried food to order? Any websites that anyone has dealt with would be helpful.

I'm not a big fan of freeze dried unless it's for backpacking. Canned costs less, tastes better, and you don't need to store water to eat it. Since I assume there will be water issues if there are food issues, I don't store freeze dried or dehydrated food for SHTF. Your situation may differ, but all of my emergency food is for meals that we eat on a regular basis, at least weekly. I also store extra water, but I need just a little less water with the stored regular food.

85 posted on 04/11/2012 7:56:47 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Can we afford as much government as welfare-addicted voters demand?)
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To: Rearden
I remove the liver, the heart usually comes out on it’s own. I deliver those pieces separately to make pate’

Mmmmm. Rabbit liver. I actually prefer rabbit liver to fois gras, and I've had and cooked both.

You are doing God's work. Thank you.

/johnny

86 posted on 04/11/2012 8:56:31 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Rearden
I have opened many of my freeze dried foods and we occasionally use them to make something for dinner or dessert.

Yep, eat what you store, store what you eat.

/johnny

87 posted on 04/11/2012 8:58:43 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: elcid1970

Thanks for the memories! LOL

Woostershite sauce and tabasco could do wonders. We had an early type LRP and I still can’t remember what meal it was.


88 posted on 04/11/2012 9:00:21 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: barmag25

I buy freeze dried fruit, mainly for cereal and some snacking. I love emergency essentials. They advertise in Mother Earth News as well, so they have a wide variety of customers.


89 posted on 04/11/2012 9:47:15 AM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: barmag25
Google 'MRE' and a slew of sites will come up.

Mountain House is one of the best. Many of their meals are in stores like WalMart, REI, etc.

90 posted on 04/11/2012 11:09:32 AM PDT by QT3.14 ( European-American (/sarc))
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To: unkus

We picked up LRPs whenever we flew a patrol out into the boonies. Every few days we carried them hot chow in marmites with ice cream in styrofoam. Had to hover straight down into a keyhole shape the grunts hacked out of the canopy. They `tipped’ us with LRP rations. I recall spaghetti & meatballs (much better than the `C’ version which was pretty good) and beef stew. Boil one each canteen cup of water, pour into the LRP bag, & stir.

I should point out our battalion had a super mess sergeant who loved his work. He served roast beef so often we called it `Cav steak’. An eggs to order breakfast started our every mission day.

Even so, it was fun to cook chow in your own hootch.


91 posted on 04/12/2012 6:00:30 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: elcid1970

You just refreshed my memory, for sure.

Yep, our evening meals were almost like a ritual.


92 posted on 04/12/2012 8:46:34 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: JRandomFreeper

This’ll really tick you off, then.

Canned chicken
Evaporated milk
Flour
baking powder
Salt
Chicken flavored bullion cubes (Iknow, I know...)
dried carrots, celery, and onion flakes
Lard (shelf stable for freaking ever)
Pepper
Bit of water

Makes a decent pot of chicken and dumplings. Not great, but edible.


93 posted on 04/12/2012 8:54:06 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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