Skip to comments.OBAMA OR ROMNEY: THE REPUBLIC FAILS EITHER WAY
Posted on 04/10/2012 11:56:22 PM PDT by TBP
As I anticipated, the elitist machinations of the sham party system are predictably moving America toward another false choice between an avowed socialist Democrat and a prevaricating socialist Republican.
The lesser evil approach guarantees the triumph of wrong. So in choosing between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama we are like the cornered target of the hit man who says, We can do this the easy way or the hard way. The fatal outcome is inevitable in either case. Obamas way takes us to domineering socialism along a path that moves more openly and harshly against right, conscience and property. Romneys way takes us to domineering socialism along a path that reserves the harsher methods, preferring to use deception and prevarication so that we go more gently into the night.
The Obama way challenges the courage of Americans, and if that courage is lacking, it will succeed more quickly. But if courage is not lacking, Obamas way entails much greater risk of resistance and failure in the short term. The Romney way is slower, but more surely and easily achieves the goal.
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Ambassador Keyes would be a better choice than either of these clowns.
Let's make America great again.
All of the patriots and conservatives must stand together. I can see that the Republican party is dying and they are doing it; not us. All of the years people made them a patriotic party, now they have become a liberal moderate party. Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan would not be accepted by this party. The more you run down to the ballot box to vote for their guy, the more one is causing further damage to the conservative and patriotic foundation of America. I cannot continue thinking-oh, I will go with the lesser of the two. I don’t have it in my dna to vote for the man who was basically is the father of gay marriage and began his Hillary care Romneycare that Teddy Kennedy wanted. Romney was in heaven the day he signed Romneycare into law. See the news clips. Do you think that he will take on his liberal friends. Do you think he is not in the tank with crony-ism with wall street.
Sarah Palin/Allen West 2012 on the Tea Party ticket!
i’m pretty sure the socialist fist and the Constitution DO NOT mix
What ya wanna bet Mr 0b0tt0 declares Myth a non NBC because of his father being a native Mexican? LOL!
I can’t vote for either of these clowns. My conscience won’t allow me to.
Sorry, Keyes is either a nut or another politician making a living telling you what you want to hear
So who is left in the race who can beat Obama? Gingrich or Paul?
Newt is filling ballrooms, while Paul is filling stadiums. Are Ron Paul’s foreign policy views really more odious than Romney’s consistent socialism? People say that Paul’s non-interventionist views are a threat to American security, but it seems to me that a Romney “Obama Lite” administration would be a threat to American existence.
I’m not happy with Romney, but better a third class fireman than a first class arsonist! All these fools who are going to sit it out while the MOST DANGEROUS threat to our Republic in our lifetimes is about to be REELECTED is beyond inexcusable. I can see stupid ,crazy and/or EVIL liberals reelecting this poisonous commie but people here know better .If they sit it out they CANNOT be forgiven for their pompous disregard for the Republic.
I agree with you but Im beginning to think this is a minority opinion on FR these days....It might change as we approach November...I hope so
I wonder how many of these “I’m staying home rather than voting for Romney” types are in fact Obama supporters posting here specifically to discourage us. My favorite candidate is ANYBODY who is running against Obama. PERIOD!
The GOP is dying. A divided house shall fall. So I expect anger at the convention.
You would support that wouldn't you? Since you have no standards, only beating Obama, you should be happy with that.
Did you vote for McCain?
Hillary would be a much better choice for your red herring.
Even Howard Dean WOULD be better. The minimum standard is born in America and a belief somewhere that America is worth defending. Obama does not even have that! FDR was perhaps the most destructive president to our liberty up to Obama but at least FDR believed in defending it!
So is your conscience ok with helping Obama get a 'more flexible' second term?
If you asked me to name two conservative politicians who are willing to go to jail for their beliefs, I’d say Alan Keyes at once, but then, uhh, umm...there’s another, I’m sure.
You have no standards if you would vote for a mad man like Dean.
I think even crazy Dean believes America is worth defending. I’d be hard pressed to think of an AMERICAN worse than Obama. I genuinely have doubts if the Republic can survive 4 more years of him.
It is time to get behind the last conservative in the race—Newt Gingrich.
Otherwise, you will be given Willard.
And thus, you will have Obama for four more years.
Which will it be?
I already voted for Newt in Arizona. I’d still vote for him even now.
My way of life is over, our way of life is over, because our government refuses to be the party of the people. They want to be the "party of the elite."
I will be voting for Newt here in DE on the 24th.
Romeny can go to Golub for all I care.
While there is Newt, there is hope.
May the zot hammer find you, quickly.
I’m in the same mind set and will probably only vote
for the locals and congress critters. We do need to salvage the House and the senate. Amen
You mean like that Jim Robinson guy?
“Are Ron Paul’s foreign policy views really more odious than Romney’s consistent socialism?”
Paul’s foreign policy views are consistent with those of the founding fathers who warned us about meddling in the affairs of other nations unless our nation is directly threatened. Even then he respects the Constitutional requirement that the nation not go to war without a vote for war by Congress.
Taking an objective look at the post WWIi period, this country has experienced a succession of undeclared wars initiated by presidents. These wars have cost the nation dearly in terms of economic resources and human capital with little to show because these wars were not in the national interest and the nation was not threatened. If we had allowed South Korea and South Vietnam to fall to their enemies would we be any less safe today? We fought to save South Vietnam from communism at a cost of 50,000 lives yet today we send our factories to communist Vietnam costing thousands of jobs at home. Did Kosovo and Somalia make us safer? Did we do the right thing by allowing western Europe to get a free ride on defense for 50 years? Had they paid the cost of their defense after WWII our economy might be stronger today.
What have our recent adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan done to make our country safer? More American citizens are killed at home by Mexicans and Central Americans in this country illegally than are killed by Iraqi’s or Afghan’s yet we are not using military force to stop the invasion of our southern border by millions of colonists. 9/11 was funded and perpetrated by Saudi’s yet we’ve done nothing to stop the funding of Islamic radicalism by the Saudi’s within our own borders. They are funding the mosques sprouting up around America and attacking our western culture.
In concept Paul is right. We are engaged around the world diplomatically and militarily In activities that do not promote our national interests and security. We fund these activities (as well as the welfare state and bloated bureaucracy) by debasing our currency and gutting our economy. Paul argues we should let the rest of the world deal with its own problems while we work to rebuild our own country.
Fixing a bankrupt America is going to require tough choices and massive spending cuts. Returning to a less costly isolationist foreign policy is one option that would save the treasury trillions of dollars over the next 10 years. Pull out of the UN. Bring our troops home from overseas while maintaining a strong navy, a missile defense system, and strong nuclear deterrent. Close our foreign bases and at least 50% of our diplomatic outposts. Stay out of foreign wars and stop diplomatically interfering in conflicts around the globe. Let Uganda, Serbia, Libya, Korea, and other nations work out their own problems. After all if we stopped worrying about a nuclear Iran we might find that China, Russia, India, and Western Europe suddenly start getting seriously involved with the Iranian situation. They are much more threatened due to geographic proximity than we are. Let them counter this threat in their backyard.
I agree with you. I find the perpetuation and expansion of the socialist state a greater threat to my personal liberty than what is going on half way around the world. If we are slaves to a totalitarian socialist state does it matter if the Iraq’s have a democratic government or if the Germans are safe from Russian tanks? Both Romney and Obama will perpetuate and grow the government as well as enable the culture warriors intent on destroying traditional values. Given the alternative Romney, Paul seems a much better choice.
So the guy that lost to McCain who lost to Obama is going to win?
Great analogy. Totally agree. We shouldn’t be talking the country’s future down like this. We have our children and grandchildren to consider. This particular election is about the economy. The exit polls bear that out.
this “Anybody but...” mentality is what gave us Obama in the first place. A great many people voted for Obama because he was “Anybody but Bush” and that was as far as their thought processes took them.
Sorry, I’m not doing the “lesser of two evils” thing because in the end, a Romney presidency will not be materially different than another Obama term. The political class has circled it wagons and has complete control of both parties and every corner of the Federal government.
Head for the lifeboats or sit and listen to the band play. Either way, the Titanic is going down and nothing can be done now to change that outcome.
Newt is on the Carpathia. Start rowing.
A large percentage of the delegates in the previous primaries are UNPLEDGED. Meaning they are free agents at Tampa.
Also, many of the upcoming primaries are proportional, meaning they are NOT winner take all.
Third, to be recognized on the floor of the convention, Newt needs five primary wins. He has two, and needs three more.
The “Romney” vote has never been split. The conservative vote has been split between Santorum and Gingrich.
Santorum would do the country a huge favor by endorsing Newt and releasing his pledged delegates to Newt.
There is still time. There is still a path. There is still hope.
As long as there is a Newt in the race.
I have hope... I pray... but I have no idea of exactly what is coming... I know that it will be horrid. Most Patriots that love America have lost trust and faith in our government and ALL of its systems... we see how our own representatives have lied to us and conspired against us... we see anyone with truth and honor destroyed... the two parties are both evil and progressive... truth is nowhere to be found. When Americans quit believing in their government... and more and more are losing that faith daily... we are done... and we are almost there.
Look for relief from oppression at the state level. Forget FedGov. When will states start forming regiments? What will it take?
Agreed. Let’s stop all the hand-wringing and make sure we elect the most conservative Congress we can.
Please, don’t forget state and local elections. Conservative Governors and AGs have lead the fight against Obamacare. We still have a Constitution and Obama can be defeated.
A conservative coalition of state leadership coupled with the most conservative Congress (especially the House) will make more of a difference than whining about Romney or equating him with Obama. It just makes us look goofy and provides fodder to the enemy.
There is no way I’m going to say anything bad about Jim on his own site. That would be rude! To his credit he was fighting for a better choice than Romney from day one.
Keyes makes the “lesser of evils is still evil” argument, and he does so from the basis of an appeal to God’s standard of perfection....or the striving thereto.
It’s a good argument.
Mine is more direct. Romney is a lying, pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, big government liberal progressive.
Those are among his deficiencies, and they are enough to make him unacceptable.
I’d vote Palin / West 3rd party in a heartbeat. Its a no brainer.
I will not vote for Romney.After 2008, 2010, nothing will change my mind on that score.
If there is no Tea Party 3rd option, it is my belief that many conservatives will vote Obama rather than Romney, just to go with the more rapid polarization of America, and the lets get it over with attitude.
America is too important to MANKIND to give in to hopelessness. I love this country too much to see it die like this. I swore an oath to defend the Constitution once and I'm sticking to it!
However, that would happen only after 20 or so years. If Obam is re-elected, the US will be a third world country by 2020
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.
This knew Obama 2000 years before we did!
You mean like that Jim Robinson guy?
Exactly. Jim owns FR not the minds of every thinking FReeper that is going to be booted from or leave this place and vote for Mittens.
The outraged "conservatives" that make the claim that obama would be no worse that romney are insane with their own mitten hate and cannot be rational about the choices that either man would make.
We could go through it point by point but that won't change a closed mind.
Hopefully, the subset of hard core FReepers that have sworn their vote to a third party, are either in very red or very blue states and their sacred principles won't have any real impact on our lives.
I live in a swing state jack wagon:
- Alexander Hamilton
Good post. Thanks. Only common sense I’ve heard in a long time. And I’m no Paulbot.
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