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George Zimmerman to Be Charged With 2nd-Degree Murder in Death of Trayvon Martin, AP Reports
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Posted on 04/11/2012 2:48:09 PM PDT by OL Hickory

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To: commonguymd
That speech was sickening and wholly unprofessional.

It sure was. She must have prejudiced the case with a half dozen statements. Very obvious she had the outcome in mind before she even started.

51 posted on 04/11/2012 3:25:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: omega4179
"We just need some law abiding citizens on that Jury for Justice to be blind."

That won't happen.

The Jury will be stacked in favor of the black victim, rest assured, as there is gonna come a time where "White Rage" will become a defense against the intimidation tactics forcing Charges WAY BEYOND reason.

If ANY Aquittal miraculously occurs, you can rest assured that Zimmerman would be a "dead man walking" to the Black Panthers.

52 posted on 04/11/2012 3:26:21 PM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: RushIsTheMan
Sounds like she’s accepting an Oscar.

She was so far in the tank it was pathetic.
53 posted on 04/11/2012 3:26:53 PM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: B Knotts

“......but won’t an acquittal result in the same sort of “unrest?””

The “unrest” is going to happen no matter if Zimmerman isn’t executed as the blacks want.

No, this isn’t about anything but blame. This is the typical excercise to establish a direction the Prosecuter can point the finger, and say “wasn’t me”.

In this case it won’t be the Prosecuter’s fault for not charging Zimmerman, but the fault will lie with the jurors who will find him not guilty.

Then the riots will begin, because the blacks want any excuse to do so, BUT it won’t be the Prosecuters fault. She charged Zimmerman as directed by the NBPP, the NAACP, the alphabet MSM, the Liberals, etc.


54 posted on 04/11/2012 3:28:09 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: satan

??? Really???


55 posted on 04/11/2012 3:30:30 PM PDT by Houmatt (NObama in 2012!)
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To: CodeToad

This AG was just kicking the can on down the road cause she was fearing the race crap.

I hear that they now have to get his “Stand Your ground” defense past a FL judge or this “charge” is dropped. Guess next is to see how CS the Judge is.

If this guy get persecuted this way, then we better get serious about being prepared for R2.


56 posted on 04/11/2012 3:32:16 PM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Chainsawj

Just put an Edwards sticker on it. It shows you are an idiot democrat in the eyes of the hijackers.


57 posted on 04/11/2012 3:37:46 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: OL Hickory
I said the same thing..what about Zimmerman’s family...she also mentioned the fact.. “of the person who committed this crime”...I am no lawyer

Nor am I... but I'm pretty sure the public position of every proseccutor is that the person they charge committed the crime.

58 posted on 04/11/2012 3:38:34 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: OL Hickory

Gunpowder residue on Trayvon should prove they were in a chest to chest confrontation, shouldn’t it?


59 posted on 04/11/2012 3:39:26 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: Marathoner
"You know it’s coming."

Oh yeah. They won't be happy until the guy is pushing up daisies. I'm sure the media wet their pants over this charge.

Since the original DA decided not to charge Zimmerman because there wasn't enough evidence to get a conviction, what evidence has miraculously appeared to justify a 2nd Degree Murder charge?

60 posted on 04/11/2012 3:47:43 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: traditional1

If you’re white, you have NO CHANCE of fairness when the Race Pimps get their way.

We NEED a CWII to get back to moral, civil, responsible behavior.

***

Civil war invites invasion. We’d get nuked by China Russia NK, and then picked clean.

Remember: They did Tienanmen square to their own students.


61 posted on 04/11/2012 3:49:28 PM PDT by ROTB (FReepmail me if you want to join a team seeking the LORD for a Christian revival now in the USA.)
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To: mass55th
"Since the original DA decided not to charge Zimmerman because there wasn't enough evidence to get a conviction, what evidence has miraculously appeared to justify a 2nd Degree Murder charge?"

The go signal from Obama. Trayvon looked like his son if he had had one.

62 posted on 04/11/2012 3:54:06 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: andyk

And somebody please explain why those lawyers dumped Zimmerman as a client...for talking off the record with Hannity? Huh?


63 posted on 04/11/2012 3:56:50 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: OL Hickory

I volunteer for that hung jury.


64 posted on 04/11/2012 4:14:13 PM PDT by Joe Bfstplk (People should enjoy the fruits of their labor. No labor, no fruit.)
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To: Nervous Tick
If she was trying to get him off, and shift the "blame" to someone else, she'd have taken the case to the Grand Jury, who would have returned a No Bill, and that would be that.

Except for the federal Hate Crime charge that Holder would bring.

65 posted on 04/11/2012 4:21:52 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: longtermmemmory
The prosecutor was cherry picked to ensure charges are brought.

Seems that way. And she's a Republican. According to her campaign website.

http://www.angelacorey.com/re_elect_2012.php

66 posted on 04/11/2012 4:29:16 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Terry Mross

I bet Bobby Petrino is relived that the nation has something else to talk about!


67 posted on 04/11/2012 4:33:04 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: sirchtruth
Manslaughter is all they could possibly hope for under what evidence I've seen

What evidence would that be?

Every cop in the city should walk off the job. It could just as easily been one of them that shot Martin. They were after all responding to the scene at the time, and if the timing had been a little different...

68 posted on 04/11/2012 4:34:21 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: sirchtruth
Manslaughter is all they could possibly hope for under what evidence I've seen

What evidence would that be?

Every cop in the city should walk off the job. It could just as easily been one of them that shot Martin. They were after all responding to the scene at the time, and if the timing had been a little different...

69 posted on 04/11/2012 4:34:43 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: sirchtruth
Manslaughter is all they could possibly hope for under what evidence I've seen

What evidence would that be?

Every cop in the city should walk off the job. It could just as easily been one of them that shot Martin. They were after all responding to the scene at the time, and if the timing had been a little different...

70 posted on 04/11/2012 4:35:02 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: OL Hickory

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/782.04

“depraved” state of mind: http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/depravity-of-mind/

Proving involuntary manslaughter would be difficult.
But murder? C’mon. This is going to be a media circus and when he’s
released the Norwegians are going to be looking for free Blu-ray players.


71 posted on 04/11/2012 4:42:32 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: X-spurt
Florida statutes are quite explicit:
776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—...

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.


72 posted on 04/11/2012 4:44:52 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: OL Hickory

What now? Load the jury with “white hispanics”?

(sorry if I stepped on another’s post)


73 posted on 04/11/2012 4:49:54 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: PapaBear3625
PapaBear, I guess you and me and people who think like us are obsolete. See, we believe the law should apply to all, even for a white man caught at self-defense against a black.

I fear that America is gone, and I just realized it today.

74 posted on 04/11/2012 4:53:32 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: Mamzelle

The attorneys claim that Zimmerman repeatedly rebuffed their legal advice, and that they lost contact with him.


75 posted on 04/11/2012 5:01:51 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: OL Hickory; All
Signed letter of information about prosecution here. http://www.sao4th.com/documents/AR-M550N_20120412_053049.pdf
76 posted on 04/11/2012 5:07:12 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Great find! Exactly why this is a PERSECUTION and shows the FL/AG Prosecuter to be either stupid and chicken or sharp as a rat turd, pointed on both ends.

Zim was at the AGs office yesterday (and his 2 lawyers quit). Am betting they worked out a deal to get this whole thing to calm down including holder’s DOJ, by charging and having a delay to Trial with a “wink and nod” understanding they overcharged to make it easier to toss by Trial Judge. On the other hand this could be a ploy to get nobama and the reparations wanters to demand a lynchin instead of waiting on trial.


77 posted on 04/11/2012 5:31:39 PM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: OL Hickory

The War on Neighborhood Watch has begun.

Question: how many of YOU have walked your neighborhood at midnight?
If you live in a “declining” area, it’s a very lonely and thankless feeling. Please be careful how quickly you weigh in on Zimmerman if you have not worked a watch.


78 posted on 04/11/2012 5:46:45 PM PDT by moodyskeptic (Counter counterculturist)
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To: OL Hickory

Well, at least at trial the evidence will be presented. Of course that won’t change the race-baiter’s minds about Zimmerman’s guilt, but he will get his day in court.


79 posted on 04/11/2012 5:56:12 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Paladin2

“WAY overcharged.”

Yes, my first thought. Good luck getting a conviction on murder when the guy who got shot was on top beating the snot out of the accused. Not gonna happen. Manslaughter would be a stretch.

Having grown up in Fla and knowing the area down there IMO the prosecutor is doing this to avoid the blacks lighting a bonfire and doing the Watusi for a week or so.

If there was any reason to arrest and charge Zimmerman they would have done it weeks ago.


80 posted on 04/11/2012 6:06:26 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: OL Hickory

Corey Press Conference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1r-idmJTK3I


81 posted on 04/11/2012 6:15:40 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: X-spurt

“This AG was just kicking the can on down the road cause she was fearing the race crap.”

The more I think about it the more it seems that’s why she went for 2nd Degree Murder. She must first show the judge adequate proof for such a conviction. If the judge dismisses the case for lack of evidence then, oh, well, she tried.


82 posted on 04/11/2012 7:51:45 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: RushIsTheMan

Well yea, she’s nuts and a drama queen. My question is: is she white? She seems so. If so she’ll come under withering criticism as this goes forward.


83 posted on 04/12/2012 4:08:02 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: El Gato
What evidence would that be?

??? If Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense, Zimmerman can be charged with manslaughter, basically under any circumstances. Are you disputing this?

What I understand the evidence suggest so far is Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense. I read Zimmerman is being charged with 2nd degree "murder" which will not fly based on the accounts I have seen.

84 posted on 04/12/2012 5:12:19 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: Truth29
what evidence has miraculously appeared to justify a 2nd Degree Murder charge?"

None, I think based on the current account. This may just be an appeasement charge to calm things down a little. A prosecutor can use whatever evidence it wants to TRY to bring a conviction and be totally wrong.

Understand, I'm not saying there's not new evidence we haven't seen yet, I'm am just basing my opinion on what we have seen and heard so far.

85 posted on 04/12/2012 5:27:03 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
So...we just stand back and keep our powder dry?

Most definitely unless it shows up on your door step.

86 posted on 04/12/2012 7:18:57 AM PDT by jetson
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To: sirchtruth
If Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense, Zimmerman can be charged with manslaughter, basically under any circumstances.Are you disputing this?

Yes, the statutes seem to say that is not correct, absent some evidence that it was not self defense, or the the person did not reasonably believe such force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm.

From the 2011 Florida Statutes


776.012 Use of force in defense of person.
—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;

...
(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.— (1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties

So I ask again, what evidence?

87 posted on 04/13/2012 10:33:52 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: sirchtruth

Laws vary from state to state, which is why I went to Florida statutes, rather than New Hampshire or Texas. Although I know that Texas’ laws are similar.


88 posted on 04/13/2012 10:44:58 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: sirchtruth

Laws vary from state to state, which is why I went to Florida statutes, rather than New Hampshire or Texas. Although I know that Texas’ laws are similar.


89 posted on 04/13/2012 10:45:17 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
absent some evidence that it was not self defense, or the the person did not reasonably believe such force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm.

Ok, that is exactly what I am saying...even though what I wrote is wrong. I didn't mean ...any other circumstances.
I meant, "other evidence we have not seen." So, I can see where your coming from. Sorry for the confusion.

90 posted on 04/14/2012 5:19:02 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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