Skip to comments.ZIMMERMAN CHARGED WITH SECOND DEGEE MURDER
Posted on 04/11/2012 3:19:09 PM PDT by pawpawrick
MIAMI (CBSMiami) George Zimmerman has been charged with second-degree murder for the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, according to the Associated Press.
Additionally, Zimmerman has been taken into custody, but it hasnt been revealed where he is being held.
CBSMiami has confirmed that State Attorney Angela Corey, who was appointed as a special prosecutor in the case, will hold an announcement about the charges at 6 p.m. in Jacksonville.
That press conference can be viewed LIVE starting at 6 p.m. by clicking here.
I liked her use of the phrase “justice for Trayvon” or when she said she’d prayed with the Martins.
Not surprised by this. His cutting off contact with his lawyers didn’t help his case.
I commented in a different thread, yesterday I think, that Zimmerman had been saying everybody should wait until the evidence all came out and vindicated him - but that without charges there isn’t a mechanism for the evidence to all be made public.
The way to do that without making charges would be through a grand jury, which would look at the evidence to see if there is enough to make charges and bring Zimmerman to trial.
I don’t know why she didn’t do that.
In my head I know there has to be some kind of trial in order for Zimmerman to be vindicated - or found guilty, if it turns out there is evidence to refute what we’ve already seen and heard.
But in my heart this petrifies me because I have absolutely no confidence that the system even attempts to arrive at justice. As I understand it, a NJ judge just decided that Obama is at least 35 years old, at least 14 years a US resident, and is a natural born citizen, based on ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE. Just like the GA judge decided on the basis of no evidence to prove eligibility and in spite of a bunch of evidence to disprove it. What we’re seeing is that evidence doesn’t matter. The system doesn’t care about evidence. And they are blatant about flipping us the bird if we bring up the issue of evidence.
The claim from Blacks is that they can’t trust the system either - that the fix is in on blacks. Could be they are thrilled that we have the sinking feeling in our guts that they say they’ve always had, knowing the people with the power to hear the evidence can use it for their own biased or political purposes and wipe out whatever evidence they want.
I think the place we need to get is where blacks and whites are both saying amongst each other and to others that the rules of evidence are a time-tested friend and protection for innocent people of all races when properly followed.
What seems unlikely is that Zimmerman confronted someone he’d lost.
Yes, that smarmy drivel was likely for the benefit of the howling mob.
It's difficult to believe she could possibly be serious.
I never realized justice was a one way street....now I know.
Short answer, yes. A friend of mine got jumped in a McDonald's parking lot. The guy jumped him from behind and held him from behind while pounding on him. My friend managed to get a handhold and push the guy backwards into a car. He then proceeded to slam the guy's head into the car about four more times. My friend got charged with assault. The cop (and ADA) told him that he could have gotten away with one head-slam... but after he continued to slam after he had gotten free HE became the aggressor.
Zimmerman could have run up to Martin, called him the N-word, spit in his face and then slapped him. But the moment Martin got on top of Zimmerman and started to bang his head on the pavement, Martin became the aggressor. Period. You don't like it, change the LAW. Open your doe eyes...
I disagree with your theory. Here’s my theory: Trayvon was casing the neighborhood, found a juicy target while wandering the development, then notices Zimmerman’s surveillance of him. Trayvon takes evasive action to break contact. Then Trayvon starts to brood and get upset, doubles back, sneaks up on Zimmerman and proceeds to take out his anger on Zimmerman.
I think that is the first time have heard it put like that.
TRAYVON COULD HAVE WALKED AWAY!
Am surprised at the murder charge, though. I thought he would be charged with manslaughter.
What a steaming pile
You don’t think he could have found him again? It is not a particularly complex maze that they were living in.
Heh, just like Trayvon did...
"Last year Martin was suspended for spraying graffiti on school grounds. The Miami Herald reported that the school guard who stopped him searched his backpack and found 12 items of women's jewelry and a flathead screwdriver that the guard believed to be a "burglary implement."
Would any black juror dare to find Zimmerman not guilty?
They have loads of evidence. A dead body, a gun, a guy who admits to shooting the previously alive dead body, physical evidence, witnesses and so on.
They also have a brewing race war and worldwide saturation of potential jurors.
Case closed, done, everyone go home.
to avoid this:
It’s clear that Trayvon wasn’t afraid of Zimmerman because Trayvon approached Zimmerman rather than simply going safely home.
Trayvon’s girlfriend said she heard Trayvon ask Zimmerman, “Why are you following me?”, followed by Z asking “What are you doing in this neighborhood?” That’s the same basic gist as what Zimmerman claimed.
If Zimmerman was out on a wild rampage with a gun just looking for a black guy to shoot, Trayvon would not have approached him with a question like that.
What’s your evidence that Zimmerman “made up the story that he was no longer following Trayvon to cover his ass”? How do you prove that Z was still following Trayvon? Was there audio or video of it?
Presenting the other side is fine, but if it’s just wild accusations with no evidence to back it up, it shows that the “other side” has nothing to stand on but their own bias or wishes.
And that doesn’t cut it, where justice is concerned.
Corey Press Conference
I thought I was gonna gag when she referred to the Martins as those sweet parents. As a prosecuter, shouldn’t she at least attempt to convey an sense of impartiality?
As far as self-defense goes, I would shoot and take my chances. Even after this case. I’m not on Earth to be a happy victim, regardless of what anyone says.
Let me say that I agree that your theory is every bit as good as mine, some might say even more so.
Looking at the map it seems to me that Martin could have easily walked home at the point when Zimmerman loses him. It also seems to me that if Zimmerman found Martin after he had lost him the first time he would have told the dispatcher “I found him!”. It also seems to me that if Martin felt threatened at any time he could’ve called the police. It also seems to me that if Zimmerman intended to confront Martin he would have just pulled up alongside him in his truck instead of pulling his truck over and calling police.
great post. thought provoking. insightful. I’m with you.
Probably no verdict or even trial by November. Looks like a political move.
Won't happen. It is what it is. I realize that if some of these goons (of any color) go after me or a family member I'm going to do what I have to do.
We don't need demonstrations. We need to solve the problem. The problem is solved when white people no longer put up with this. The problem is solved when white cultures return to their old roots. Even as recent as the late 80's, Irish and Italians didn't put up with this s--t.
Black trash, white trash, and other trash will soon get the message to stay out of those areas. Good blacks, good whites, and other good people won't have to worry about it.
I doubt he makes it. I can’t imagine him surviving more than a few days, even in county jail.
Actually I read there has never been a conviction in a case like this where there was all this press involved before the trial began.
IMO they are trying to appease the crowd or the prosecutor somehow believes this was not self defense which would IMO be retarded. If nothing else this may prevent riots.
Your theory makes more sense than Zimmerman being charged with second degree murder, that’s for sure. I feel bad for Zimmerman - unless there is some sort of undisclosed “smoking gun” evidence, the idea that he gets charged with Murder 2 suggests that he has become a pawn in a political game.
There have been two theories presented as to why Trayvon turned on zimmerman.
I don’t know why you say it isn’t likely.
But so okay....I’m done. You may believe what you want.
We can only speculate. The fact that Zimmerman had injuries on the back of his head...the BACK of his head...while Trayvon had none...that fact speaks to me.
Your mileage may vary.
You may have the last word as I’m done.
It is not just political grandstanding. It is appeasement. And it is meant as a pacifier for the racist, anti-whitey crowd. But if or when Zimmerman is found innocent, we’ll be right back where we were before taxpayers had to pay for this bogus trial. And yes, this entire fiasco is meant to warn whitey not to fight back against blacks. Not while Holder is heading the DOJ and not while Obama is in the WH.
......(And Zimmerman ran after him).... until he was told he didn’t need to do that, and then Zimmerman lost Trayvon and headed back to his truck - at which time Trayvon could have walked home and been safely there within 2 minutes..... but instead Trayvon curved around to come behind Zimmerman and initiated a conversation, as both Zimmerman and Trayvon’s girlfriend claimed. Zimmerman says Trayvon then attacked him, and the police say his story is consistent with all the evidence they have - which presumably includes witness statements, 911 recording, Zimmerman’s injuries, the scene of the shooting including ballistics analysis, and Trayvon’s autopsy.
Make sure you tell the rest of the story...
In college a friends brother confronted some punks throwing large rocks over the overpass into the paths of oncoming vehicle. One of them came up behind him and grabbed him by the shoulder/arm. He turned, threw the guy off. The fellow lost his balance, fell, hit his head on guardrail and died.
Because the brother was on the wrestling team, the court deemed his body as a weapon. He ended up doing 10-20 for manslaughter.
Good kid, straight A student vs a drop out punk.
I wonder what Lex got the zot for?
He has been here only two weeks and has spent a lot of that time bashing Zimmerman.
Cristian Fernandez case
"In 2011 Corey's office oversaw a case in which 12-year-old Cristian Fernandez was accused of killing his two-year-old brother. Corey sought and received a grand jury indictment Fernandez on charges of homicide and aggravated child abuse, and decided to try him as an adult. This move, which made Fernandez the youngest person ever to face a murder charge in Jacksonville's history, drew criticism and protests to send the case to juvenile court instead, but Corey held that the juvenile system was inadequate to handle a crime of this magnitude. However, Corey stated she did not intend for Fernandez to stand trial or serve a life sentence, but would rather accept a plea deal. As of February 1, 2012 the defense and prosecution had not agreed to a plea deal, but were still in discussion. A trial was scheduled for February 27, 2012, but was postponed."
If that's the case, they need to change the stand your ground law.
Seems kind of circular. There isn’t a defendant until a crime is charged, and it’s assumed that there’s a crime unless a defendant says why it’s not a crime...
If “defendant” just means the person who is suspected, then Zimmerman already DID assert self-defense, to the police. This would only be an unlawful death if that assertion can be disproven. At least if a person is innocent until proven guilty.
this Cory lady is totally on Martins side...disgusting
Absolutely revolting. She was smiling. The way she was cheery and happy was out of place. I was expecting her to announce she's running for congress. The woman is full of herself.
*They hand picked this case* is right. Th AP collects thousands of stories from all over the country every year. They can make a mountain out of a mole hill or make a mole hill out of a mountain. In a country of 300 million people there are going to be all sorts of crimes in the course of a year but the mainstream media has the option of choosing which stories are going to be huge national stories that all Americans will hear about and which stories will be swept under the rug. One of those stories that was swept under the rug and did not become a national headline was the case of a thirteen year old white boy in Kansas City who was doused with gasoline by two black boys and set on fire.
It is all about shaping the nation into what they want it to be. Blacks must always be angry and whites must always be paralyzed by guilt.
In your blog you write...”Zimmerman gets out of his car. He tells the dispatcher he was going to follow Trayvon.”
I’ve listened to the call several times. Where exactly does he say this?
No. He's not remotely close to the definition of aggravated stalking under Florida law. You quoted both Florida Statute 782.04(2) and (3). Each of them defines the elements of Second Degree Murder in the State of Florida, but they're separate. She can charge Zimmerman with Second Degree Murder under 782.04(2) based on what the law deems a 'depraved mind' - that's going to include acting with hatred toward another, such as a racial element, or a 'punks' element, if she wants to claim it.
If she does that, she never even touches 732.04(3), which is where you found 'aggravating stalking.'
Aggravating stalking's going to require you to go to Florida Statutes 784.048, generally, and 784.048(7) specifically. That's not going to happen. First, 'constitutionally protected' activity can never be the 'course of conduct' necessary to establish stalking in Florida, per 784.048(1)(b). Second, you must be sentences for stalking and prohibited from contacting the victim, and then still do so, for it to be aggravated stalking. That's the definition of 'aggravated stalking' under Florida law (Florida Statutes 784.048(7)).
It's clear she's not going there. This is a 732.04(2) Second Degree Murder charge, base on some hatred or enmity element leading to a depraved mind. It has nothing to do with aggravated stalking and 732.04(3), in my semi-informed opinion.
"But on Cristian's behalf, there is international outrage. More than 170,000 people have signed an online petition, urging the prosecutor to treat the 12-year-old as a juvenile, not as an adult. [Corey] disagrees, and says Florida law is Florida law.
Complicating the Fernandez case is the role of the mother, Susana. Police say during the several hour window between when David was injured and she drove him to the hospital, her laptop shows that she searched what to do about an unconscious boy, checked her bank and downloaded music, before finally taking 2 year old David to the hospital.
A doctor at St. Lukes told a police officer that had 2 year old David been treated sooner, he may have survived."
“Politics is in complete control of the legal system, but we all know that.The cowards in government don’t want to tell the child like minds of savages they have had enough *rule of law bending* and can’t have any more, but we all know that also.”
Amen to that.
This is another war zone now so they applied some state department thinking here: let’s not worry about the facts of the case, let’s worry about appeasing poor ahmed’s family. That, of course, doesn’t apply down at Ft Hood where they’ve been waiting 500+ days for Hassan to see a courtroom while his defense team asks to see every xerox copy of each original photo that’s been put to a copy machine, pretending they’re being denied access when they’re just delaying.
But Mohammed’s in the details on that one, and he’s protected. And this is Trayvon, and he’s protected. And Jorge would generate sympathy, because he’s protected, but Zimmerman isn’t protected and neither is Martin.
Therefore, it’s Zimmerman and Trayvon and a war zone prosector looking to provide good feelings of justice to the inhabitants of the war zone.
And, of course, it’s a Republican. It was Republicans who wanted the Hadithites to feel “justice” over the prosecution of our Marines. And not our republican president, nor SecDef, nor SecNav, nor any Senator or Congressman spoke up at the injustice of it all.
Is getting out of your vehicle “picking a fight”?
If so, you better park your vehicle at the drive-through or you’re gonna die of starvation since you can never get out of your vehicle once you get in. lol.
Trayvon was staring at Zimmerman. Is that “picking a fight”? Why or why not?
You think Zimmerman TRIED to “start losing”? You think he WANTED a broken nose and a gash on the back of his head, so he’d have an excuse to shoot?
Zimmerman had lost Trayvon and was headed back to his truck. Anything Zimmerman initiated was done at that point. Trayvon was free to go home without Zimmerman even knowing where he was at.
But Trayvon didn’t let that be the end of the story, did he? His girlfriend heard him ask Z why he was following him, Z ask why Trayvon was in the neighborhood, and the next eyewitness account we have is from people saying that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman.
No way did Zimmerman have a gun pointed at Trayvon and Trayvon still initiated a conversation when he could have slipped away and been home within 2 minutes. Not likely Zimmerman pulled a gun on Trayvon in response to Trayvon’s talk and still ended up with Trayvon on top of him.
The one who picked the fight was apparently Trayvon. So a more apt post would be.....
“sooo. let me get this right...
If I pick a fight by busting a guy’s nose and banging his head repeatedly on the ground and he shoots me in self-defense I can get the guy I attacked jailed for life or murdered by the Black Panthers?”