Skip to comments.ZIMMERMAN CHARGED WITH SECOND DEGEE MURDER
Posted on 04/11/2012 3:19:09 PM PDT by pawpawrick
MIAMI (CBSMiami) George Zimmerman has been charged with second-degree murder for the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, according to the Associated Press.
Additionally, Zimmerman has been taken into custody, but it hasnt been revealed where he is being held.
CBSMiami has confirmed that State Attorney Angela Corey, who was appointed as a special prosecutor in the case, will hold an announcement about the charges at 6 p.m. in Jacksonville.
That press conference can be viewed LIVE starting at 6 p.m. by clicking here.
Sure is...a steaming pile of bullsh*t cut with a heaping helping of political correctness and cowardice.
I knew all about that pos radical the night he spoke at kerry’s convention in Boston.
2nd degree so they can bargain him into manslaughter and get an admission of guilt. Verdict expected before election day.
>>I won’t set foot in that damn state again...
Thank you. Stay away. Note that the Sanford Police and the DA had handled this problem correctly UNTIL a bunch of yankee blacks came down to Florida and decided to blow this up into a Big Thing. Then the media, which is based in NYC latched on to the story and started banging the drum. Then, our illustrious President (from Hawaii, Kenya, Indonesia, and Illinois) and his racist AG (from the Bronx) got involved.
The people of Florida that you hate so much were the ones that created a simple Stand Your ground law along with an easy to obtain shall-issue CWL (the first in the nation, BTW, you are very welome). Corey has done a pretty good job, but the state came under so much pressure from OUT-OF-STATE forces that eventually it caved in and committed this travesty of justice because we have become a nation of men and not a nation of laws.
So, please stay out of my state. I get so sick of people coming here telling us how backward we are because we aren’t your home state. Well, I-95 and I-75 go both ways. Feel free to use the northbound lane!
Did you know that Britain warns people not to come to your state? Seems some blacks killed two British students awhile back and your State has done little to nothing to seek justice there. Brits are not threatening to burn down Miami and they are not issuing death contracts like the nbpp is doing. NOTHING is happening to find their murderers either... plus they are white. Then you have the entire Disney World "gay pride" problem. Don't worry... I am NEVER coming back. Now I have you as another reason
Try to read...I didn't say a thing about my 'home' state. If you are so upset with 'invaders'; you need to raise more hell about them...
Like I said; I won't be visiting ANY state that would indict me for MURDER just because I chose to defend my family from ferals...
They sentenced the shooter recently. You had to go looking for the article though.
Try banging it back.
You're absolutely right...a nation of men...that's your problem...you caved. Don't get mad at the people 'dissing' Florida because your leaders 'caved' to pressure. Your leaders are the problem...take your anger out on them. They deserve it.
The message this charge sends is that if one has to defend themselves against a protected minority, don’t tell anyone, just walk away.
"I'd like to remind people that the State of Florida takes a dim view of professional agitators coming into our state to stir the pot. It would be in the best interest of Mr. Sharpton and Mr. Jackson to get the f*** out of our state before I have them arrested for inciting a riot...and if anyone in the feral community so much as blinks; I'll have the National Guard on your *sses like white on rice. The law WILL be followed in the State of Florida. Thank you."
Where are the Harry Trumans of our time? :-)
Sounds like you could be his lawyer, or at least a defense team member.
“You mean has there been a spike in robberies in the past 6 weeks when the community no longer has their Watchman on Patrol?”
Actually, I meant that with Martin out of the picture, since he’d already been searched at school with women’s jewelry and a screwdriver in his book bag.
I think the jury will be made up of the kind OJ had. Zimmerman is toast.
You really think it shows a crime has been committed and Zimmerman did it?
Do you think that's what Nifong believed when he prosecuted the Duke boys?
Angela Nifong. DA with political aspirations. She concluded that bringing charges was good a good career move.
I haven’t been to Florida since the Terri Schiavo murder. Now that Angela Nifong is making her career enhancing move against Zimmerman I’m not in a hurry to go back either.
I was on a murder jury once.
Included among the judge’s instructions to us was that we could, as an alternative to a murder conviction, vote for the “lesser included charge” of manslaughter. I suspect that the case will be the same here.
They charged him with 2nd degree as the highest they thought they could reasonbalby get a jury to agree to, and hope to use this to pressure him to pead guilty to manslaughter.
Now whether or not they can even get a conviction on manslaughter is an open question. Given what I know currently, I’d let him walk.
Oh, and that murder trial? We let him go. Seemed like an open and shut case of self-defense to us. All twelve of us.
Tell me, if you know, why other than his recent membership was this guy zotted? I mean, “legal arguments” have been made for the most outrageous positions, and won. Also, there is no telling what a jury would do.
So, he didn’t seem argumentive to me. Is there some history here?
It’s a choice of riots now or riots later. This is a kick-the-can-down-the-road and hope solution. My thought is that the post-election rioting will have burned itself out, and everything worth looting will have been carted away, before the trial. (Or more optimistically, that the hidden hand driving this situation — the Obama campaign — will be gone and no longer need it).
It's not in the Florida Statute. For the reasons below, I'm going to tell you what I think, rather than what I know. Normally, 'depraved mind' can include malice for a specific individual (which can be formed just before the killing), malice for a group (which doesn't have to be racial - it could be Kiwanis, fat people, Ohio State fans, or - punks who look like they are casing or robbing apartments, if the prosecution can show that.
You would need evidence - early run-ins with the person or class, writings about them, expressions of hatred or frustration toward them. Something more than 'people who wear leather pant in public look silly.'
Because I'm not currently practicing law and much of the research I do for work is not legal, I'm not currently on a flat monthly fee for Westlaw or Lexis. I pay by the search and I haven't paid to run a search on this statute (it will make more sense to see what cases have interpreted parts of this statute after we know more about what Zimmerman may have told the police during his multi-hour interview, or what the prosecution is alleging).
What I'm telling you is general with respect to a 'depraved mind' or 'depraved indifference' and not Florida law.
The terms 'depraved mind' and 'depraved indifference' cover more than just the above.
Good news! Thanks... but the point is still the same. Florida is not a safe State in some areas and “Stand Your Ground” may get you a prison sentence or maybe even death.
Not necessarily. She could be claiming that he had malice toward punks who case and rob apartments and then 'always get away' before the police get them, regardless of race. She could be playing on all the 911 calls he made (not as many as were reported by the media, but he did make a lot), his desire to patrol, he comments about them getting away, his desire to follow, his carrying a gun.
I see legal, reasonable, Constitutionally protected reasons for all of those, even if he called 911 a lot. She made be playing them into a 'depraved mind' and the reason for a murder.
I believe this is a dog and pony show to placate the mob and hope for a cooler heads when the charges are thrown out in the pre-trial hearing.
Unless the DA has some pretty stunning evidence, I can’t see this getting to trial.
You're right. It is. The fact that your leaders 'caved' to professional agitators has put the entire Nation at risk. The people of Florida need to make a statement in favor of the rule of law, NOT 'mob rule'.
All we really can do is wait and see, I guess.
Unless she’s got a game-changing new piece of evidence that negates the evidence we already know about, she’s walking on very, very thin ice, IMHO.
That’s my hope. To make that plan work the case can’t come to trial before the election though. Hopefully both the prosecution and the defense realize that.
When the media pushes for action right before the election we need to demand that Nidal Hasan be tried first...
In my local community, within an hour of Sanford, we have a very active 9-12 group. Over the last 2 years, weekly attendance averages averages 75 and when certain speakers or programs are offered, attendance doubles. We have taken half the seats in the county Republican Executive Committee and now the 'good old boys' of the GOP-e are feeling the pressure to get back to our conservative roots. This Martin - Zimmerman ordeal is carefully planned to bring our state's electoral votes over to the dark side in the next presidential election. We are also hosting the RNC this election cycle so we are ground zero. The big picture is being framed as I type and a boycott on Florida, our tourist industry and our products will result in nothing more than the boycott on South Africa to end apartheid.
Do you have any idea what the response is in the Cuban-American community? They’ve got roots to understand what thugocracy really means - regardless of which race is the perp. Are they speaking out on this, or are they drowned out (or cowed) by the racist groups such as Black Panthers, Yahweh bin Yahweh, La Raza, etc?
I know what I've read. I know what the Florida Statutes say - although I haven't read a lot of the case law interpreting those statutes (it's almost pointless until I know what the 'facts' are alleged to be by the prosecution and defense).
What we don't know is what Zimmerman told the police in the hours he was interrogated. Plus, we know that some witnesses changed their original statements to the police to make them more favorable to Martin. There's no telling how many new 'witnesses' have appeared since this became about race and gun rights rather than about Zimmerman and Martin, or since TV cameras have appeared, or how many witnesses have changed their stories.
I think Corey needs to be careful about suborning perjury from some of these witnesses who have changed their stories.
Seems like people like you have been assaulted by the media, the Black Panthers, the race pimps, and by the Soros-Obama administration.
How can the rest of us help you fight back?
To claim that Zimmerman was the aggressor she’d have to explain away the 911 call, the witnesses saying Trayvon was on top, and Zimmerman’s injuries though, wouldn’t she? I mean, she can try to show that Zimmerman was out to get this “punk” but unless she can refute the evidence that Trayvon was the aggressor, it doesn’t matter what Zimmerman’s intentions were. Unless she claimed that he had gotten away from Trayvon and had shot out of malice, but the screaming right up to the time the shot was heard would refute that.
Am I missing something?
Holder/Obama side with racebaiters on Zimmerman lynching.
“There is much breaking news today regarding the Zimmerman/Martin case. Everything from an announcement from Special Prosecutor Corey regarding her charges vs. Zimmerman at 6:00 ET, along with this deplorable speech from AG Holder at a rally for Trayvon with the Rev. Al Not-so-Sharpton which I simply couldnt believe when I read about this early this morning. As I see this through my Viewfinder in Life, I view this as a conflict of interest how about you?
Heres one of many reports via DC:
On Wednesday U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder urged activists with the National Action Network a protest organization founded and run by MSNBC host Rev. Al Sharpton to help President Barack Obamas administration promote its agenda.
The pillars of advocacy Holder pushed for during the speech, he said, cannot be the work of government alone.
We will continue to need your help, your expertise, your dedication and your partnership, Holder told Sharptons activists. While Im optimistic about the path that were on and the place that well arrive, I cannot pretend that the road ahead will be an easy one. Many obstacles lie before us.
This this is our moment, Holder added as the crowd cheered. So let us seize the chance before us. Let us rise to the challenges of our time.
Ahh, good...Then I misunderstood. Thanks for the correction.
Agreed, I like Florida and have family there. I love the oranges from Harvey Groves. The real blame is not Florida, it is the race hustlers and pimps, the dupes that follow them and of course, Bammy and Erich Holder.
Fair enough, but lawyers on a case like this are normally going to be very careful about what they say in public about the prosecutor.
His new lawyer seems light in the loafers imo. Anyone else pick up on that?
“V” is for victim. She was also covering for the epic fail in the embodiment of Sanford Police Chief. She wasn’t going to throw SPC under Rick Scott’s bus.
I saw another side of Hannity in 2005 and quit watching him or listening.
I was wondering what the penalties are for somebody changing their claims from what they previously swore. This Mary C in particular seems to me to be on dangerous legal ground. Wouldn’t the changes in the story at best make the testimony of those witnesses non-credible?
Thinking everyone is a suspect is a reason to call the police, or to follow, or to confront. But given that Trayvon’s girlfriend has said that Trayvon initiated the direct confrontation, the only “propensity” that comes into question is whether he has a propensity to shoot somebody he’s conversing with. I think she’d be pretty hard pressed to prove that propensity.
And even if the propensity was there, she’d also have to overcome recorded audio evidence, witness testimony, and the evidence of Zimmerman’s injuries and absense of any Trayvon injuries beyond the fatal bullet wound - none of which Zimmerman had any control over and all of which (according to the police) corroborate Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense.
Eric Holder has made it abundantly clear that he considers himself an advocate for “his people”, not for justice.
Everything he does is a conflict of interest because the oath he took as AG is diametrically opposed to everything he is and has ever done. He is the fox guarding the henhouse.
That's because he had counsel. If someone is under counsel, you can't talk to them except through the attorney.
Not if O'Mara does his job in voir dire. OJ trial was in south LA. Seminole County is 66% white, 17% Latin American and 11% black. Brevard County (same court system) is 77% white, 10% black, and 8% Latin American.
Zimmerman could have shoved Trayvon off of him with his pudgy, meaty arms instead of drawing his gun. Zimmerman had other options but as the prosecution will show through witnesses, Zimmerman lost more than one employment because he was too aggressive and they didn’t want to take the risk. That townhome complex is going to take a hit thanks to their Crime Watch volunteer. Glad I don’t live there. Insurance will skyrocket on the liability side because whatever occured, there was wrongful death in a civil sense. Twin Retreats is over.
Florida's full of murders and wrongful deaths. Casey Anthony and George Z. should get together. They could share living expenses hiding from their infamous selves.
That’s funny. I was thinking you and the Rev. Al should get together. You seem to have a lot in common.
You just don't get it, do you? That's NOT a "stand your ground law." It's the regular, ordinary old law on self-defense. What happened to my friend happened in the nineties... long before anyone had ever conceived of a "stand your ground" law!
See, the word "defense" in "self-defense" has a meaning. So long as you are defending against an attack or threat, you can claim self-defense. As soon as you begin attacking (note the difference between that word and "defense"), especially after gaining the advantage (let's say, to make up a random scenario, you were sitting on top of someone, slamming his head into the ground while he screamed for help), you have become the aggressor and the new victim can now legally defend himself from you.
It's a simple and logical concept that has been part of common law for centuries...
” I think Corey needs to be careful about suborning perjury from some of these witnesses who have changed their stories. “