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ZIMMERMAN CHARGED WITH SECOND DEGEE MURDER
ap ^ | april 11,2012 | pawpawrick

Posted on 04/11/2012 3:19:09 PM PDT by pawpawrick

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To: Repeal 16-17
black = biased
female = scared

Jurors will be biased and/or scared.

51 posted on 04/11/2012 3:41:56 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: DustyMoment

If acquitted, Holder won’t charge him. they need this crisis to last. Martial law in probably the most likely action.


52 posted on 04/11/2012 3:42:20 PM PDT by nomobs
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To: HereInTheHeartland
He went and talked to them without an attorney it sounds like.

It sounds like? It sounds like another obscure media article trying to gain readership......

How many more threads about Zimmerman being charged with second degree murder are we going to have to suffer thru?

53 posted on 04/11/2012 3:43:06 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: BfloGuy

Republicans are cowards. Still waiting for 0bama’s and/or Holder’s IMPEACHMENT hearings in Congress.


54 posted on 04/11/2012 3:44:18 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: pawpawrick

Mr. Zimmerman is being charged with SDWW.


55 posted on 04/11/2012 3:44:42 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
I predict Zimmerman is declared not guilty, Rodney King riots Part 2 begin but this time America has had enough.

If you're right, the Liberal Messiah won't be reelected. Of course, I didn't say He would leave office.

56 posted on 04/11/2012 3:44:47 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Yes. Unless the defense makes a tactical decision to oppose the lesser charges.


57 posted on 04/11/2012 3:45:00 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: pawpawrick

This charge is a complete joke. Read Florida Statutes 782.04 and tell me how the facts in this case in any way conform to a charge of second degree murder.

I think this is a case of overcharging in the hope that the defendant will plead to a lesser offense.


58 posted on 04/11/2012 3:45:00 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Socialism isn't going to work this time, either.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Isn’t that what 0bama wants?


59 posted on 04/11/2012 3:45:29 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: DivineMomentsOfTruth
Maybe they figure they can present the facts in court and the jurors will just decide the case on what they heard initially in the media.

If it weren't for Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, Zimmerman wouldn't have been charged at all. American justice, 2012.

60 posted on 04/11/2012 3:45:45 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: thethirddegree

Use a revolver. No brass to pick up or lose on the ground.


61 posted on 04/11/2012 3:46:52 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (God is dead - William Hamilton....William Hamilton is dead - God (And he means it))
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To: pawpawrick

My questions: Where in Florida can this man get an unbiased jury and fair trial? Where in the United States could this man get an unbiased jury and fair trial? Where in Florida or the U.S. would you be able to safely incarcerate this man if he should be found guilty?


62 posted on 04/11/2012 3:47:15 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: pawpawrick

I’m surprised Cory didn’t announce the exact location where Zimmerman is. That would make killing him so much easier.


63 posted on 04/11/2012 3:47:16 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: pawpawrick
(2) The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(3) When a person is killed in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any:
(a) Trafficking offense prohibited by s. 893.135(1),
(b) Arson,
(c) Sexual battery,
(d) Robbery,
(e) Burglary,
(f) Kidnapping,
(g) Escape,
(h) Aggravated child abuse,
(i) Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,
(j) Aircraft piracy,
(k) Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb,
(l) Carjacking,
(m) Home-invasion robbery,
(n) Aggravated stalking,  This is where she got to 2nd Degree
(o) Murder of another human being,
(p) Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person, or
(q) Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act of terrorism,

64 posted on 04/11/2012 3:47:30 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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State Attorney Angela Whorey
65 posted on 04/11/2012 3:47:54 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Lex Gabba
The was a legal argument that COULD be made for 1st but not a good one. This is the most severe thing they have a hope of winning a conviction for...

I was under the impression that it took an indictment by a grand jury to charge 1st degree murder.

Regards,
GtG

66 posted on 04/11/2012 3:48:13 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: pawpawrick
While the Zimmerman/Martin ‘white’ on black killing is covered 24/7 on the MSM with an outpouring of rage and charges of a racial hate crime, where is the concern- where is the rage about the home invasion, torture, beating, rape and murder of the elderly white couple by a gang of feral blacks in Oklahoma just a few weeks ago?

The 90 year old war veteran husband was beaten and his jaw broken. He was shot in the face numerous times with a BB gun and sent to the hospital in critical condition.

The 85 year old partially blind wife was RAPED and then BEATEN TO DEATH.

Can you just imagine the pain, the humiliation, the horror that dear old lady experienced being gang raped by that pack of feral animals?

(the autopsy states she was raped. Don’t think all of these animals didn’t all participate)

And can you imagine the pain, the horror of that dear old husband having to witness this?

There’s a lot more involved here than a home invasion and robbery.

WHERE ARE THE CHARGES OF A RACIAL HATE CRIME??

90 year old husband’s jaw broken and shot in face with a BB gun numerous times?

85 wife year old semi blind wife RAPED and BEATEN to death??

Why does it take a foreign press to enlighten America as to this henious crime?

Where is the outrage?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117695/Brutal-home-invasion-Oklahoma-couple-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.html


67 posted on 04/11/2012 3:48:52 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Prosecutors routinely overcharge for that very purpose - to allow the jury a “menu of choices” for their verdict. (2nd degree murder is the maximum that the jury can choose now.) The prosecutor has an ethical responsibility not to charge what she can’t prove. So she believes she can prove 2nd degree murder beyond a reasonable doubt. If/when Zimmerman asserts an affirmative defense under the Stand Your Ground law, the prosecution will fight it.


68 posted on 04/11/2012 3:48:59 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: popdonnelly

You want 782.04 (2) here. That’s second degree.


69 posted on 04/11/2012 3:49:11 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: The Wizard
this Cory lady is totally on Martin’s side...disgusting

With the FBI, DHS, CIA, IRS, etc. breathing down her neck, she probably didn't have much choice.

70 posted on 04/11/2012 3:49:11 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Vigilanteman

If you live near the area........move.....quickly.


71 posted on 04/11/2012 3:49:23 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: sergeantdave

Sheepole will not stand up for themselves ,, so don’t expect anyone to rise up for Zimmerman . Tomorrow will come and go and there’s a lot worse things happening to this country than a killing in Fla. We are losing our country faster than you can say FAST and Furious . All being orchestrated by a usurper and his minions while congess sleeps at the switch . God may be our only hope because sheepole are too busy to be bothered .


72 posted on 04/11/2012 3:50:08 PM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: The Wizard
She asked today for EVERYONE to pray for her... Law Enforcement Officers and lawyers for the state of FloriDUH... and the martin family... no prayers for Zimmerman or his family. That right there will be used against her in the future... bank on it.

Sean Hannity said today that he has been told by numerous sources... and he alluded to Zimmerman telling him directly... that there exists some sort of video recording of this incident and this corrupt prosecutor (she has shown her bias today) said new evidence would be released.

Now I have no idea what will happen nor do I know for certain what has happened... but I do know that America was damaged badly with this debacle and along with all of the other insane activities occurring in America today... that we as an indivisible nation are doomed. There can be no compromise with communists and there can be no compromise or peace with racists. Zimmerman is Hispanic... and yet to hate him and make it easier to hate him... the black leadership in America and their presstitutes have called him white. Being white and male in America today is a crime punishable by whatever in the **** holder and obama want the punishment to be... even if it is to allow the new black panther party to issue a public contract on Zimmerman's life. It is as if a black david duke was selected as president... only hundreds of times worse.

LLS

73 posted on 04/11/2012 3:50:48 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES! (accept only the original))
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

A jury of his peers would contain no one with skin darker than his own.


74 posted on 04/11/2012 3:51:44 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: Vendome

So it is now against the law to follow someone?


75 posted on 04/11/2012 3:52:03 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: pawpawrick; All

To anyone interested in Florida’s law, whether left or right, a great web site is:

http://www.richardhornsby.com/crimes/homicide/second-degree-murder.html#Definition
Food for thought.
Not an endorsement.


76 posted on 04/11/2012 3:52:03 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO)
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To: Repeal 16-17

77 posted on 04/11/2012 3:52:11 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: hoosiermama

HELTER SKELTER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


78 posted on 04/11/2012 3:52:28 PM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: The Wizard

I couldn’t believe her unprofessionalism. She was like a giddy little girl up there, an obvious sign of pandering. I expected at the minimun, a professionally delivered, serious minded lawyer. Instead, a suck up who is too cowardly to do her job.


79 posted on 04/11/2012 3:52:37 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: pawpawrick

The Lottery


80 posted on 04/11/2012 3:53:44 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“The FL state attorney didn’t let the grand jury have a look because they would have taken one look at it and thrown it out because it was so obvious that it was self-defense”

And he has every legal right to force her to take it to a grand jury


81 posted on 04/11/2012 3:53:44 PM PDT by know-the-law
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To: Momaw Nadon
If Zimmerman is charged with 2nd-degree murder, can a jury still decide to find him guilty of a lesser charge such as manslaughter?

Yes they can return a verdict on a lesser included offense, but I don't expect that to be relevant to this case.

The case will turn entirely on whether Zimmerman was justified in using deadly force to defend himself.

The same justification is equally applicable as a defense to manslaughter as it is to second-degree murder.

82 posted on 04/11/2012 3:53:57 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Lex Gabba; TheOldLady; Old Sarge; Darksheare; darkwing104; 50mm

ZOTTED n00bie troll.


83 posted on 04/11/2012 3:54:13 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Vendome

No, I think she just got there on the basic (2) section, based on the “depraved mind” language.


84 posted on 04/11/2012 3:54:14 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Vendome
How the F can it be 'aggravated stalking' if Zimmerman's gun was concealed and unknown to Trayvon? Besides if Zimmerman retreated back to his truck (WHICH EXPLAINS HOW HE WAS AMBUSHED BY TRAYVON) as ordered to do by the 911 operator, how can that be 'aggravated' stalking? That's a stretch, doncha' think?

Perhaps there needs to be a Federal Law that says it's illegal to watch black people.

85 posted on 04/11/2012 3:54:33 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: pawpawrick

We have now descended into the era of mob rule. If you want to know what it’s gong to be like, think Rwanda. And if you dare try to resist, the state will lead you away in handcuffs — before turning your over to the mob.


86 posted on 04/11/2012 3:54:52 PM PDT by hampdenkid
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87 posted on 04/11/2012 3:54:52 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

3. Jury/Witness tampering will be an issue.


88 posted on 04/11/2012 3:54:52 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: Liberty Valance

Obama will want this trial to take place before Election Day! Any smart thinking race-baiter would want to do the same.


89 posted on 04/11/2012 3:56:24 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA (Pick Your Poison)
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To: The Wizard
this Cory lady is totally on Martin’s side...

Not necessarily. If they don't charge Zimmerman then riots are likely, with innocents hurt and maybe killed. And Zimmerman himself will be a dead man walking, with thousands of street thugs in competition to kill him first (for a HUGE street cred.)

Alternatively, they can charge Zimmerman with murder - a crime that requires intent to kill. Here is what Wikipedia says:

The prosecution would have to prove that Zimmerman had intent to kill. It'd be hard to do, considering that Zimmerman was on the phone with police all the time, and that he didn't know anything about Trayvon, and had no reason whatsoever to kill anyone at all.

If the prosecution fails to prove its case then Zimmerman will be acquitted of the charge. Charging him with a lesser crime is actually more dangerous for Zimmerman. What is certain, though, is that he will be behind bars for a while. The black community will be mollified by the seriousness of the charge. By the trial's time the situation will be more under control.

90 posted on 04/11/2012 3:56:34 PM PDT by Greysard
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Click!

91 posted on 04/11/2012 3:56:39 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: pawpawrick

Zimmerman is not going to be found guilty. Not sure if this ridiculous charge was intentionally meant to fail, but there is absolutely no way they can prove murder nor intent. The fact alone that the Sanford police already investigated Zimmerman and found him innocent is going to ensure his freedom. This whole BS press conference today was just about political grandstanding for those involved.


92 posted on 04/11/2012 3:56:54 PM PDT by DesertRenegade
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To: pawpawrick
How do we as whites get organised, get a huge gathering up, ad march and make our demands that blacks stop killing us at app 18:1 and stop committing app 54 rapes a day against whites, many of them savage beyond anything in a civilised society? Are these statistics not enough to get whites to sacrifice a day or two and gather in solidarity for the sake of our chidren and our elderly who are the victims of crimes by blacks in numbers far greater than white on black crime? White on black crime is negigible, almost non-existant. We need to protest the "mahogany mobs" whose first intention is to beat random innocent whites senseless, even unto death. Or play "knockout king" with whites as the targets.

It's bad enough that public school standards and discipline have been destroyed, that standards for law enforcement, firefighters, university, most jobs, and on and on have been lowered. It's bad enough that productive whites in the suburbs pay for the parasites in the inner cities even as they destroy those cities. It's bad enough that they are then given section 8 vouchers so they can bring the "diversity" of their crime, vandalism, parasitism, and general worthlessness to the neighborhoods of those working whites already supporting the, through taxes, until their presence reaches a tipping point and the whites flee even further into the hinterland.

If that's not enough for you, surely the disproportionate murder and rape statistics of whites-it might be your son or daughter next-should make whites take action in gathering as a group to say we will no longer be the willing victims or the penned cattle for others to slaughter and take our produce.

What will it take, if the Knoxvill college couple or the Tulsa elderly couple who were savagely beaten, tortured, raped, and murdered wasn't enough, on top of all the other black on white crime? Have we really degerated as a race to this?
93 posted on 04/11/2012 3:57:01 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: pawpawrick

He’s guilty of Self-Defense Against A Black Man While Not Being A Black Man.


94 posted on 04/11/2012 3:57:48 PM PDT by DNA.2012
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To: A_Former_Democrat

I’m glad I’m not the only one who got that impression. You always expect a prosecutor to talk about justice for the victim, but she went way over the edge. She did manage to avoid saying anything directly harmful to Zimmerman, though, so that’s some sign of professionalism.


95 posted on 04/11/2012 3:58:42 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: pawpawrick

Florida has made their choice. Now let’s make ours. BOYCOTT Florida and ALL their products. Marlins and Rays coming to your town? Stay home. 3 or 4 thousand in a MLB park WILL be noticed. Stay away from Disneyland and all other ‘tourist attractions’. Shut them down. Money talks.


96 posted on 04/11/2012 3:58:42 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Greysard

Don’t count on it.


97 posted on 04/11/2012 3:58:42 PM PDT by Eva
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To: prisoner6

This is the first step in the grand design of the upcoming mau mau campaign, inspired by obama and used to such great effect by his cousin odinga in the kenyan Presidential election.
They want all those racist, Honkey Crackers to think twice before committing the hate crime of RWW (Resisting While White).


98 posted on 04/11/2012 3:58:56 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: pawpawrick

Either the prosecutor is privy to evidence we have yet to see or this is a miscarriage of justice on the same level as the Duke “rape” case.


99 posted on 04/11/2012 3:59:30 PM PDT by gzzimlich
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To: Vendome

Any charge requires mens rea. If he was attacked, there is none. There was no criminal intent on Z’ s part. If I understand correctly, he was in the LEO academy. I still don’t sit in a restaurant with back to the door since then. Identifying criminal behavior is instilled during those three months to the point of paranoia. All cops or potential cops are taught this.


100 posted on 04/11/2012 3:59:37 PM PDT by goseminoles
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