Skip to comments.Notice: Free Republic has been in full rebellion mode since 2008 and will remain so for the duration
Posted on 04/11/2012 8:04:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Notice: Free Republic has been in full rebellion mode since 2008 and will remain in full rebellion mode for the duration!
No more Doles!! No more McCains!! No more RINOS!!
Those who cannot stomach rebellion might as well start looking for a new home on the net!!
Those who have ignored my hundreds of posts on this crucial issue or who have doubted me these last three or four years might as well get used to it. FR will never support the abortionist, homosexualist, socialist, mandate loving, constitution trampling liar Mitt Romney.
In case you haven't noticed, a TEA Party rebellion is on and Free Republic signed on years ago. There is no turning back. No more crap from the GOP-e!! They've screwed us for the last time!! Karl Rove and Mitt Romney, et al, loathe conservatism and loathe the tea party and took it upon themselves to use their money and connections to destroy nearly every one of our conservative tea party candidates while pushing their big government RINOS. That makes them the enemy. I will not reward that betrayal by giving them my support or my vote.
FR is and will remain a pro-life, pro-limited government conservative site!!
We are beholden to NO ONE!! We bow to no kings!! We bow to NO RINOS!!
I'd rather fight and die like a man than bend over and be screwed by a RINO!! I refuse to kiss Karl Rove or Mitt Romney's rings!! They can kiss my rosy red ass instead!!
Long live the rebellion!!
Hope my message is clear.
You might want to check your ‘Jacob’ reference.
I should have kept reading ...
ALL: IN two posts, I quoted Jeff as he spoke about Romney...
Jeff, I'm not taking issue with the order Romney arrived as your choice.
I'm taking issue with your prevarications about Romney re: his track record on abortion & healthcare in MA.
ALL: Read Jeff's entry @ 818 for yourself...then read JimRob's two responses (posts 1171 & 990) + my two responses (posts 1122 & 1144)
Alright, this is an improvement. We’ve got a plan from Gingrich. We can pick it to pieces, but at least we’ve got a plan.
That’s more than we had a few days ago.
Don’t put so much stock in off-the-cuff comments by politicians. Look more to their records. That’s where you’ll find the real man or woman.
I am praying urgently!
People can read them and I invite them to do so.
At the same time, I hope Newt can pull it off. Right now, Newt is my choice and I hope I do not have to go beyond that.
If not, and Romney is ultimately the nominee, then I will not say any more on this board about my own decision out of respect for, and abiding by the wishes of, the owner of this board, Jim Robinson, for whom I have a lot of respect.
What was it about Pontius Pilate that you dislike the most? The fact that he tried to talk the people into doing the right thing or the fact that he let them make their own choices?
And prayer, resolve and relentless adherence
to our very fundamental American values are
vital. Pray .. more than ever now .. in light
of the latest endorsement.
the republican establishment elites need to dragged out of the ivory tower and thrown across the isle where they belong
Worth the reads...then you’ll have a small taste of how Newt manuvers what’s necessary to get us what we want...but without us backing him...we loose altogether...he cannot do this without people supporting and the media is doing all they can to keep him out of the picture.
The pundits were knocking Newt all over the place again....why? If he’s not a threat to them then they shouldn’t be troubled by him. But Newt opens his mouth and in come the troops..and even Obama responds...Why? We know why..he’s the only threat against them and he’s our David agains Goliath.
And no one should forget that Romney's policies and actions (i.e. his jobs' initiative) as Governor of Massachusetts directly contributed to the 2008 financial crisis.
So when Sarah Palin, Newt , Santorum and any other conservatives endorse Romney, which they will, you can tell them how they're all RIno’s now. And do you have any elected or other authoritative position that decides voting for one so called RINO makes you no longer a conservative? Just exactly why do you get to make this judgment on people? I can see Jim Robinson having the authority to kick whoever he
wants off his site, but you have no business telling people they're not conservative or anything else for that matter. You don't even know me and what I've done with the Tea Party or any other conservative group. If I supported Ronald Reagan over Barry Goldwater in the 60’s (if they had been in the same primary) would I lose my conservative credentials because I voted for the more liberal one on the political spectrum? Of course I could chalk that up to youthful indiscretion as I would have been about -6 years old.
Thats more than we had a few days ago.
Just a little picker-upper for the boots: The day before Santorum dropped out, newt's facebook page had 195,000 likes, yesterday it had 295,000 likes. Movement.
Email From Cheryl Tracy, I believe she is with 2012:
"Thank you Santorum supporters. Newt expected 12,000 new donors and supporters when Mr. Santorum suspended his campaign and instead the Newt web site was over loaded with over 45,000 new donors and supporters. Most of us realize how difficult it is to throw your support to another campaign when your candidate drops out. You Santorum supporters are amazing Patriots. Thank you from all fellow American Conservatives." Cheryl Tracy
Romney is very liberal, not moderate
You truly do not get it, do you?
We know exactly what Obama is going to (try to) do over the next four years, should he be re-elected. We also know that the level of opposition to his Commie agenda will grow into something near to a full-scale civil war, if he pushes us any further.
Elect Romney, on the other hand, and our side won't show near the opposition to his near-identical performance in office. He's 85 mph to Obama's 100. We still wind up in the same place, but with an avowed and transparent despot in office, there will be more OPPOSITION to his transgressions and over-reach. Not so with the milk man, Romney, who will lull a Republican Congress to sleep because he's 'their guy'. They will allow him ten times the latitude that they'd allow Obama, simply because he's sporting the right jersey.
Understand these dynamics, and understand that Romney is actually far more dangerous to the long-term prospects of not only patriotic conservatism in the US, but the near-term survival of the nation as we know it.
> Can we expect you to change your screen name to “DefeatGal” anytime soon?
Nope. I’m spending my money on working to elect conservatives to Congress.
Because Obama or Romney, the result is going to be awful. I’m making sure I work as hard as I can for a Congress that will stand up to socialism and liberalism, whether from the Dims or the GOP.
Sorry that truth offends you and gets in the way of a clear conscience. BTW, I have every much ‘right’ to call out Romney voters on their twisted ‘logic’ as you have in voting for him. Deal with it.
Standing back silent while moderates and libs wrecked America IS why we have Romney as the GOP ‘choice’. Not gonna do it any more. And I don’t really care if anyone short of Christ himself comes out of the political closet and backs the lib. Their actions, and your, determine what they/you really are. Moderate, Liberal or conservative.
Vote accordingly with that knowledge.
If these “down the line” republicans and conservatives we're being told to vote would just role over for Romney, they're no better or any “less RINO” then he is, according to your logic.
I stand with you, 100%!
If that's true how are these people anymore worthy of our vote then Romney? You're saying they all have no backbone and can be led around like sheep. Jeesh. We've gone from don't vote for Romney because he's the same as Obama to all Republican members of congress are RINOS that would be hypnotized by Romney into voting for his liberal agenda. What's next a link to where I can donate to Obama '12?
Thank you all knowing wise political guru. /S
You invoke Christ’s name an awful lot for someone so full of judgment and spite for those that don’t walk in your shadow.
Amen, call them Country Club Republicans, Check Pants Republicans or Ivory Tower Republicans. They all should be beat with a golf club and get real conservatives to run otherwise we need a Tea Party Party. F the GOP, so if Romney loses does this mean the homo from South Carolina is next in line? Lindsey Graham vs. Obama’s third term after he makes an executive order eliminating term limits...
Amen Brother; Jim this was great to read in another dismal Romney week of political worthlessness.
And what if Obama wins and gets a fully Democrat Congress? Then your lame duck just healed himself and goes crazy mad with his Marxist agenda.
Exactly. It's nice so many of our FRiends do see the bigger picture.
Thank you my friend, but it does seem sometimes that we're waging a never-ending battle against illogic and ignorance in our camp. Jim Rob said just about everything that needed to be said about Romney in his excellent lead post, but this thread has gone over a thousand posts anyway.
So much work...
If people thought Obama conned us, they're wrong. He was transparent about his political philosophy from the very start. Romney is the real con, because he pretends to stand for things that his record shows he is diametrically opposed to. The man in an abject LIAR.
I just do not understand why some people don't plainly see that.
Your comments are so dispersed, I don't think I can respond to everything you said. But, let me try to address just a couple of points of logic here.
Try to understand human psychology. It's really not all that difficult. People may seem complex, but what makes them tick at their core, is usually pretty simple.
We send the best people we can to Congress, but they're just people. They're as flawed as any of us. Look at Free Republic, for instance. If there were ever a place where the straight dope on Romney was frequently published, and in great detail, it's this place. Yet despite the overwhelming body of evidence available on this website, you still have so-called staunch conservatives here, openly suggesting that we ignore everything we know about this man - throw our deeply held principles to the wind, and give him our vote.
Excuse the f**k out of me, but WHAT???
Well, that's exactly the same phenomena that will happen in Congress (who are even less well-informed than average Freepers) if Romney is elected. Do you really think the good people we send to Congress just suddenly go stupid when they get their first drink of DC water? No, they don't, but they do fall prey to the same kind of nonsensical social dynamics that are at play on this very forum.
This is why they'll roll over and allow Romney to do things they'd never let Obama get away with.
Here's the deal. The fat lady ain't sung yet in this primary battle. We've still got one conservative with a proven track record in this race. The way forward may be daunting at this point, but it's a whole lot less daunting than what the Founding Fathers faced in the mid 1700s.
We don't have to pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor to get the job done. We only need to stay firm in our convictions and push the better man to the top, to win the day.
Mitt Romney is only half a step to Obama's right. That's not my opinion - it's documented fact.
Do you have the faintest idea what that means? It means that your faith in Willard Romney is misplaced. Foolhardy, even.
If you think that anything is going to substantially change with Mitt as president, you're either ignorant of the facts about him, or you're drinking the RINO Kool-Aid and throwing your fate to the wind.
Do the math. Look at the upcoming states. Create a spreadsheet if need be. The fat lady has sung.
“nonsensical social dynamic” and “going stupid” to quote you= Same result, and shows lack of backbone and real conservative principles, so once again, how are these down ticket candidates worth voting for in your purist conservative world?
You aren't being consistent. First, you tell me that we ought to vote for the big government liberal, Romney, then you complain about congressmen who lack conservative principles. You then call me a "conservative purist".
Geez, friend. You need to find a place that suits you and plant your feet there. I don't think you have any idea where you stand, politically.
I'll tell you one thing -- if you were standing firm on conservative principles, there's no way we'd even be having this conversation right now.
No, I’m saying if you can’t vote for for Romney because you say he’s to liberal, how can you urge us to vote for people down ticket that if were elected would be so easily swayed to vote for a Romney liberal agenda if Romney were President? That’s what you said.
I plan on voting ABO and most conservative and electable down the line.
Your analogy would be more suitable if the bride (the USA), brought two grooms to you to decide who she will marry (elect as President). Both of which do not meet your standards. But she will marry one anyway.
Now which one do you pick? The one with the least problems? (Remember she WILL marry one of the two.) Or would you foolishly pick the one with the most problems?
Or just as bad, you pick one she won’t marry (a candidate with no chance of winning) or no one at all. Now you have left the decision up to her and she might pick the worst one of the two.
...Luckily, the marriage will only last 4 years and not forever. So in the meantime, you can counsel her on her next groom... someone you approve of.
I don't recall urging anyone to vote any which way on the down-ticket. Now, if you want my opinion on that, I think that everyone should do their very best due diligence on the public service records of everyone running for Congress, and vote for those who have the best conservative voting records.
My point to you, was, even the best people we can send to Congress are only human. They are as susceptible to the pressure of group dynamics as any of the rest of us, and will likely let their guard down if there's a Republican in the White House. This, despite the fact that the man is an abject liberal. They simply WILL NOT oppose him near as strongly as they will oppose an avowed enemy, such as Obama.
I don't know how much clearer I can make that. I've explained it to you numerous times now. It's a key bit of logic that every conservative needs to get a grip on this very minute.
Vote for Newt — the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Party candidate!!!
Don’t ping me to your RINO loving crap.
Budget: Our massive spending and debt under both Bush and Obama should prove the republicans can spend like drunken sailors too. The only way the budget is going to get fixed is if we have someone with the gumption to stand strong against the democrats and their pet programs. Considering the revised number on Obamacare a repeal is needed to even get close to a reasonable budget. This is Romney's strongest (least weak) category, but surely not an encouraging one. He'd be better than Obama, but maybe not different enough to matter in the long run.
Judiciary: This was the reason I supported McCain against Obama in 2008, I figured it was important that we have decent justices on the Supreme Court. Romney's record speaks for itself he has appointed Liberal judges including ones with strong pro ‘gay rights’ stances. Let's not let Romney off the hook because he was governor of a Liberal state, think what that implies about his choices if the Democrats get the house or senate. Again pretty hard to tell if he'd be better than Obama.
Abortion: We know where Obama is. We aren't sure where Romney is, but it doesn't look good.
Gun Control: Obama: typical liberal; McCain: probably would have been okay. Romney: record not the greatest, again no passes for being in a Democrat state.
Electability: As this discussion proves many in the tea-party crowd and republican base are less than thrilled with Romney as they were with McCain. That can't bode well in November. Also, I know it hasn't become an issue yet (libs are still gathering ammunition); but Romney's religion stands a pretty good chance of making this election all about race after all it will be hard to differentiate in some other key areas which makes it hard to campaign. Romney has done a good job beating up Republicans, how well will he do against Obama? Better to take a stand now than rerun 2008 all over again. Yes, I'm seriously claiming Romney wouldn't be that much better. I'm certainly not giving up while there so much as a snowball chance in Hades of another option to Romney and Obama.
Since Sep 15, 2008”
These 2008 signups are surely conservative.
Especially if they are a White Rhino.
Who puts “white” in their nic?
Projection on your part. How typical.
I guess the true colors come out for those pretenders on a Conservative forum who are pushing the same crap forcefed to us by the Ruling Class who demonstrate they have no clue what Conservatism actually is. Obviously, neither do you.
You suggest Conservatism a threat to the BOR in the same way the Marxist Left does; as a fantasy and a tyranny - while you ridicule those who have decided to rebel against the Ruling Class stooges.
You make my case, and Conservatives need to see domestic enemies of the Constitution for what they are; whether they be Marxists, Socialists or Liberals in any party that works against the principles this nation was founded on. If that makes you uncomfortable, too damn bad. This is war for what's left of our liberty and we're done with supporting it in any way - an adulterous and treasonous party.
We have the right and duty to throw off those who would be our masters and set new guards for our liberty. And we're going to do it our way from now on. We are no longer beholden to support those forcefed to us for the sake of party and our own dissolution by their adulterous compromising.
Depressingly, you’re right. Conservatives in America (and indeed the whole world) have been losing the culture wars for decades, and it will take decades to recover - if we even can. Its hardly surprising - we are the ones who are saying “no”, which is always less sexy than saying “yes”. Unfortunately, sometimes you do have to say “no”.
I am NOT voting for Mitt Romney for a slew of reasons.
I don't think this is true. The GOP didn't stop anyone from entering the field and didn't keep all the notMitts in the race and didn't split the vote between them.
We couldn't agree on here who to back; we still can't agree on Newt and he's the only one left.
We didn't have a good field of candidates and we didn't unite behind one of the ones we had. If we magically created a FR Conservative Party tomorrow, I doubt we wouldn't split and fight and destroy each nominee again.
The party ain't the problem.
I agree (for the most part). Much as I love Newt, I will vote ABO in November. I owe it to my daughter, whom I raised by myself after divorcing her tyrannical dad, because I know she has ZERO future with Obama. I’ll take my chances with ABO over the MARXIST that currently resides in the WH. How can you not see he is a Marxist? I mean, seriously, his words spell it out clear as day.
This is true.
We've become a II Timothy 3 Generation as a culture. God has given us over to strong delusion and confusion. The patriarchs of our country believed they were suffering the tyranny of the Crown because they had sinned as a people. In the decades leading up to Independence, Repentance was preached from the pulpits and the people sought God in their daily living beyond just words once a week.
We're in this mess for many reasons, but primarily for those on this forum, it's because we're putting politics first as a solution to the problems this people chose for themselves and not doing 2 Chronicles 7:14.
Of course the circular firing squad we saw this year was beyond the pale, and that was stoked by operatives in Obama; Romney and Ron Paul's camps. That looks to continue so the Marxists and RINO's will continue to trod over what is left of us.
It wasn’t mine, but I think you make an excellent point.
I could try to add or elaborate on it, but not improve it.
FWIW, THE UNDEFEATED is now free-streaming for Netflix members, if anyone needs reminding of why Palin Power works.
PS: note the closing credits where our own Josh Painter is listed!