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Notice: Free Republic has been in full rebellion mode since 2008 and will remain so for the duration
Click here to pledge your support! ^ | April 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/11/2012 8:04:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Notice: Free Republic has been in full rebellion mode since 2008 and will remain in full rebellion mode for the duration!

No more Doles!! No more McCains!! No more RINOS!!

NO ROMNEY!!

Those who cannot stomach rebellion might as well start looking for a new home on the net!!

Those who have ignored my hundreds of posts on this crucial issue or who have doubted me these last three or four years might as well get used to it. FR will never support the abortionist, homosexualist, socialist, mandate loving, constitution trampling liar Mitt Romney.

In case you haven't noticed, a TEA Party rebellion is on and Free Republic signed on years ago. There is no turning back. No more crap from the GOP-e!! They've screwed us for the last time!! Karl Rove and Mitt Romney, et al, loathe conservatism and loathe the tea party and took it upon themselves to use their money and connections to destroy nearly every one of our conservative tea party candidates while pushing their big government RINOS. That makes them the enemy. I will not reward that betrayal by giving them my support or my vote.

FR is and will remain a pro-life, pro-limited government conservative site!!

We are beholden to NO ONE!! We bow to no kings!! We bow to NO RINOS!!

I'd rather fight and die like a man than bend over and be screwed by a RINO!! I refuse to kiss Karl Rove or Mitt Romney's rings!! They can kiss my rosy red ass instead!!

FUMR!! FUGOP!!

Long live the rebellion!!

Hope my message is clear.


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To: INVAR

With you.


451 posted on 04/11/2012 11:11:30 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: Jim Robinson

Works for me!


452 posted on 04/11/2012 11:12:08 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: philman_36

The worst part is that they think they are. Another liberal trademark. Delusion.

Oops...I’m namecalling again.... ;)


453 posted on 04/11/2012 11:13:23 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
“Go ahead and explain to me how voting for Mitt is acceptable without abandoning everything you claim to believe in as a conservative.”
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With Romney we have a chance of saving this nation; with Obama our destruction is certain. I didn't create the choice that's before us, but it is the reality they we face. We aren't in this position because i abandoned my principles.

OK, you tell me, how does your opting not to vote (which will indeed benefit the Marxist, and the final destruction of our Free Republic) not abandon your beliefs and your love of this country? You see, it's all perspective. We both love the country, we're just a crossroads on this issue.

454 posted on 04/11/2012 11:15:01 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: The KG9 Kid

I sure do miss the days when people were banned from FR for criticizing GWB’s big government ways.


455 posted on 04/11/2012 11:16:56 PM PDT by roscommon
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To: PMAS
I wanted to see what Jim’s answer was...
Yeah, right. I ain't buying your snake oil.

...you must be too stupid to understand why I asked the question.
IMO you're doing nothing more than trying to trap him in his own words. I'm not so stupid as to miss that. (he apparently isn't either)

Go vent your misery somewhere else.
As far as I'm concerned you can shove your wares where the sun don't shine.

456 posted on 04/11/2012 11:17:14 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Artcore

“It really is sad. Truth is, we’re all on the same team here, but this issue (which is a big one!) could fracture us badly.”
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I’m hoping Jim will be a wise (and fair) moderator and won’t let it come to that.


457 posted on 04/11/2012 11:19:12 PM PDT by navydad
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To: philman_36
“It's the faux tag team game that irks me the most.
You two are having your own little pity party posting back and forth to each other.”

“You two aren't fooling anybody.”
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Excuse me?

So, I guess in this post, you're tag teaming with Norm?

Good grief, is this the most substantive thing you could post considering the topic?

458 posted on 04/11/2012 11:19:12 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: One Name
Writing in Sarah Palin.

But she didn't run. Didn't even enter the race. I'll bet she won't challenge at the convention, won't run a write-in campaign or do anything to show she even wants the job.

I can't see blaming the GOP for that. Or for other candidates not running. Or for other candidates not getting more delegates.

I still get to vote for Newt and am supporting him as long as he is in the race. But I'm not blaming the GOP if my candidate doesn't win.

459 posted on 04/11/2012 11:21:25 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: philman_36

I wasn’t trying to trap anyone, I was honestly asking for his answer. He gave it and I respect his answer.

By the way, who the hell asked for your sh!tty input, seems like you are trying to pick fights with multiple people on this post.

You must be a blast at parties.


460 posted on 04/11/2012 11:22:12 PM PDT by PMAS (ABO 2012)
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To: Trod Upon

“We are faced with a binary choice of 0bama in or 0bama out.”

Excellent and succinct observation.


461 posted on 04/11/2012 11:22:29 PM PDT by navydad
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To: Artcore
With Romney we have a chance of saving this nation...
BS! You're wanting to go off the cliff at 70 instead of 100. You aren't even wanting to slam on the brakes which is what's needed.

...with Obama our destruction is certain.
As for myself I would rather face the person accosting me than be stabbed in the back.

462 posted on 04/11/2012 11:22:36 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Trod Upon
If I vote for XYZ. My vote is counted for XYZ...not Obama, and not Romney. As much as you may to pretend that elections are mutually exclusive events (big words alert), they are not.

Nonsense. We are faced with a binary choice of 0bama in or 0bama out. A vote for a write-in or fringe candidate does absolutely nothing to harm 0bama’s chance of re-election. You might as well skip the presidential preference vote if you aren't going to support the only viable challenger to 0bama. (At this point there is no question that the viable challenger will be the GOP nominee.) A vote for the nominee cancels a vote for 0bama. A vote for a fringe candidate is a mere protest, which in the grand scheme works against the GOP nominee and in 0bama’s favor (assuming your natural tendency would NOT be to favor 0bama). Pretend all you want, but you are aiding 0bama by voting for anyone other than his most serious challenger.


In theory you are right starting from the idea that to allow an evil to take place without making an effort to stop it makes you complicit in the act. However I think you are making two assumptions and come to the wrong conclusion:
Assumption 1. Anybody really is better than Obama. Of course by anyone I mean Romney, and that debate has been the topic of many other threads. In short, replacing Obama with a man who believes in socialism at whatever level of government may or may not be an improvement. We currently have a federal government that spends half a billion dollars in less than two hours. This country may not be able to wait through a moderate who won't stand strong on spending cuts. If that is true then we may trully be danged if we do and danged if we don't.

Assumption 2:Conscience has it's limits. Even on matter of clear right and wrong like abortion my conscience kicks me if I think of having to vote for Romney. Can I trust him to appoint judges that will protect my rights or the rights of the unborn? Based on his record clearly the answer is no. Can I then with a clean conscience vote for Romney and if I do not heed my conscience what sort of a man am I?

Now then, setting aside my restraint, despondency, and reasonableness.

Amen, Jim. Now is not the time to loose sight of our ideals. Our Liberty is at stake now is no time to almost do something.
“Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.” Patrick Henry.

463 posted on 04/11/2012 11:24:16 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (In case of doubt: Attack! George S. Patton)
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To: Artcore

As soon as you answer my question, I’ll be happy to address yours. Again, Go ahead and explain to me how voting for Mitt is acceptable without abandoning everything you claim to believe in as a conservative.


464 posted on 04/11/2012 11:25:06 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: smoothsailing

Nice.

Unhinged behavior: check
Language from the gutter: check

Folks, it’s like DU around here.


465 posted on 04/11/2012 11:25:30 PM PDT by roscommon
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To: D-fendr

This is a real problem overlooked her, i think.

You can’t blame the establishment GOP for screwing your candidate if they themselves don’t get into the race. All the people we begged to run that were tea party conservatives didn’t run.


466 posted on 04/11/2012 11:25:40 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: CottonBall

You’re nuts. McCain was vilified on FR right up to the election. The ONLY reason the ticket got any support was because of Palin.


467 posted on 04/11/2012 11:27:05 PM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: Artcore
So, I guess in this post, you're tag teaming with Norm?
Bzzzzt...wrong assumption. I don't have any problem speaking for myself at all
and I don't ask anybody to carry my water for me.

Just two old acquaintances passing a comment or two between each other
about something painfully obvious to anybody with the discernment to see.

468 posted on 04/11/2012 11:27:20 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: navydad

False choice. Straw man.

We can vote for whoever we like. I’m writing in Palin if Newt fails. You can join me or it’s your fault if Obama is elected. See how that works?


469 posted on 04/11/2012 11:27:43 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Jim Robinson

locked and loaded. when do we roll?


470 posted on 04/11/2012 11:28:47 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: PMAS
By the way, who the hell asked for your sh!tty input...
Are you simply too dense to comprehend that this is an open forum?

...seems like you are trying to pick fights with multiple people on this post.
Well if that's the way you perceive things to be then I'll not dissuade your from your belief.
Carry on.

471 posted on 04/11/2012 11:30:42 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: navydad

Oh, PLEASE!! The Romney supporters have been flinging insults such as “stupid”, “naive”, “purist”, and “traitor”.


472 posted on 04/11/2012 11:31:14 PM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: Artcore
It makes me sick that Romney will be our nominee, but I will not sit this election out and help Obama win a second term that will, without a doubt, destroy our country.

I agree.

It will come down to Obama versus one realistic opponent. I'm going to vote against Obama by voting for the realistic opponent. I had hopes for Cain and then Gingrich, but it now looks like that opponent will be Romney.

I'm just playing the odds. There is no chance that Obama will gut Obamacare. There is some chance that Romney will gut Obamacare. As Mark Steyn says, socialized medicine fundamentally transforms the relationship between citizens and their government. Once in place, socialized medicine is impossible to eliminate. This is our last chance to stop America from becoming a full-on socialist country.

There is no chance that Obama will appoint conservative Supreme Court justices. There is some chance that Romney will do so.

That's it. Those are the important issues here. Much more important than sticking it to the Republican establishment.

473 posted on 04/11/2012 11:31:51 PM PDT by TChad
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To: navydad
Excellent and succinct observation.
Wipe the brown stuff off of your nose.
474 posted on 04/11/2012 11:32:14 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: exit82

Your post reminds me of a column that, I believe, Thomas Sewell wrote early on in the primary.

His point was that what had to happen is all the NotRomneys drop out except for one, and the others support him against Romney. As long as this didn’t happen, the vote would be split.

It’s not the GOP’s fault, it is because of the field (and those who didn’t run) and the primary voters.

Well, we finally have just one left (excepting Paul of course) against Romney.

It may be too late, but I don’t care, I’m full out for Newt and I still get to vote for him.


475 posted on 04/11/2012 11:32:55 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: philman_36

“BS! You’re wanting to go off the cliff at 70 instead of 100. You aren’t even wanting to slam on the brakes which is what’s needed.”
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OK, we have Obama and Romney; care to tell us how to slam the brakes on here? There’s a term and a concept you should get familiar with...it’s called reality. You can sit home feeling sorry for yourself on election night, but that won’t accomplish anything. In the immortal words of Burgess Meredith (Grumpy Old Men): “You can wish in one hand and crap in the other, and see which one gets filled first.”


476 posted on 04/11/2012 11:33:10 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Artcore

“Reality” is voting for a conservative. That’s the choice a conservative has. If you are one, that’s your choice. If you are not, then you are free to vote for a non conservative like Romney.


477 posted on 04/11/2012 11:35:12 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
Go ahead and explain to me how voting for Mitt is acceptable without abandoning everything you claim to believe in as a conservative. Don’t duck it. Answer that one simple question.

I'll try: Because Romney has to run to the right of 0bama, and that means he will be subject to influence from the right if he wants to win one term and even more so to have any hope at a second term. 0bama is entirely a creature of the Left and responds only to the leftist impulse. Moreover, if reelected, 0bama has absolutely nothing to lose. Expect an all-out leftist assault until his second term ends or he is (we would have to hope) completely neutered by the 2014 midterm. As between two admittedly bad options, I want the guy I might be able to influence nominating life-term Supreme Court justices and federal judges, as opposed to the dyed-in-the-wool leftist.

I totally agree with JR that working comprehensively on the lower levels is the key to getting back the party, but I also think there is value in doing everything possible to get the Court back solidly on an originalist footing. Think about the policy issues that make your blood really boil. There's probably an adverse, activist Supreme Court decision behind 90% of them.
478 posted on 04/11/2012 11:36:24 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Artcore

We’ll just see if we can get to a brokered convention first. This primary is not yet in the bag for that slimebag liar from Massachusetts.


479 posted on 04/11/2012 11:37:22 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: philman_36

“If you’re so “concerned” then LEAVE”
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You’d like that, wouldn’t you? No one left to point out reality.

No, you see... I too am concerned, and that is why I’m not leaving. If Jim ever wants to zot me, that’s his choice, but like I said, I know he’s a good man and I do not think he will do that to a fellow vet who only wishes the same goal of removing Barak Obama, and discussing that objective in a respectful and rational adult manner.


480 posted on 04/11/2012 11:38:59 PM PDT by navydad
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To: Trod Upon

You tried. but ‘running to the right’ does not a conservative make. And to vote for him, one has, by definition to accept his stance on gay rights et all, which are the opposite of conservative.

A conservative, by definition cannot do so.


481 posted on 04/11/2012 11:39:29 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Jim Robinson

Clear!


482 posted on 04/11/2012 11:39:49 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: roscommon
Folks, it’s like DU around here.
Here's a solution...If you're so disillusioned then LEAVE! Problem solved.
This isn't the Romper Room, is it?

483 posted on 04/11/2012 11:39:49 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: navydad

So then you’ll just keep ignoring his expressed wishes, click your heels and play the good man/fellow vet card as a totem to ward lightning.

That’s disgusting.


484 posted on 04/11/2012 11:41:59 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Artcore
I agree with you Artcore, and I love FR but if I'm banned I'm banned.

Sometimes it's harder to say how you really feel to your FRiends then to your enemies.

485 posted on 04/11/2012 11:43:38 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Artcore
OK, we have Obama and Romney...
So you've already determined for all of America who the Republican nominee will be?
Everything after that is BS in your hand that you're trying to pass off as flowers.
486 posted on 04/11/2012 11:45:38 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Norm Lenhart
And to vote for him, one has, by definition to accept his stance on gay rights et all

I don't think that's true. I have yet to vote for a candidate who I agreed with on everything. And I don't think any elected politician believes everyone who votes for him agrees with him on all issues. Particularly if the voters and other elected official strongly oppose him where they disagree.

I'm still in this fight for Newt. But in any case, I'm supporting tea party conservatives at all levels. The executive is one branch, powerful for sure, but we have other arrows in the quiver no matter who is president.

487 posted on 04/11/2012 11:45:58 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

““It really is sad. Truth is, we’re all on the same team here, but this issue (which is a big one!) could fracture us badly.”

Anyone willing to vote for a lib/gay ‘rights’ abortion supporter isn’t on my team. And I play for the Conservatives. Do the math.”
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Artcore... You said “we’re all on the same team here” but unfortunately, Power-guy Norm says you can’t be on HIS team. I’m sure that breaks your heart. Hahaha! What a hoot!


488 posted on 04/11/2012 11:46:56 PM PDT by navydad
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To: TChad

It takes a lot of hope to maybe think Romney could do that. Maybe he will and maybe he won’t. At what point do we decide that “being realistic” and voting for a fake conservative is just another step down the path to serfdom?

When do we accept the truth and quit hoping? Will it be too late by then?

“It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it.” Patrick Henry


489 posted on 04/11/2012 11:47:46 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (In case of doubt: Attack! George S. Patton)
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To: Norm Lenhart
“As soon as you answer my question, I’ll be happy to address yours. Again, Go ahead and explain to me how voting for Mitt is acceptable without abandoning everything you claim to believe in as a conservative.”
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Well, I guess we're at a quandary here aren't we? Sorry, but I explained my position, and also used the same tactic you've used on others tonight.

You've labled those of us who've decided to vote for Romney (our current reality) as “Romneybots”, “RINOs”, “Dumb” etc. You've self-rightously said that we're giving up our conservative values because Romney is a RINO. I've clearly and concisely explained numerous times this evening that we're faced with a monumentally difficult decision here. For many of us, while he's not the ideal choice, Romney is a far better choice than the Marxist currently holding our nation hostage.

If you can so easily label those of us who will be voting for Romney with your pejoratives, we can do the same to you. Again, your decision to act like spoiled, selfish, crybaby and not vote on election night, will effectively aid the Marxist in winning a second term, and sure destruction of our nation. In my estimation, this most certainly shows that you, and others opting not to vote for Romney (our reality), have given up your conservative values and ideals. To knowingly hand a Marxist an election is unconscionable! So, how do you like having others assign motives to you that aren't necessarily true, and call into question your motives and values?

490 posted on 04/11/2012 11:48:25 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: navydad
You’d like that, wouldn’t you?
If it would relieve me of seeing your whiny, cry baby posting...yes.

No one left to point out reality.
Well I haven't seen yet that you're based in reality to begin with so...no great loss.

491 posted on 04/11/2012 11:48:33 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Jim Robinson

I worked as Florida consultant with the Gingrich campaign. I’m going to vote for Romney assuming he’s the candidate and I’ll press people to support him instead of helping Obama get elected to a second term.

If I’m zotted for that, so be it. It would be a bigger loss to FR to not have my 21 years of PROFESSIONAL political insight than it would for me not to have a place where I’m afraid to post my point of view.


492 posted on 04/11/2012 11:49:18 PM PDT by Nobama_ever (Newt/Santorum or Santorum/Newt...NO Rombama and NO 0bama!!!)
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To: D-fendr

It’s true when you consider that the number of liberal positions MR has are numerous, yet the conservative positions are non existent. Also consider the types of his positions. Abortion, gay rights, gay/military, global warming...all of which are individually anathema to the conservative philosophy. And this isn’t a ‘one’ thing with him. It’s everything he stands for/supports. It’s who he is.

To vote MR, one ‘has’ to accept his positions. If you deny them, then you are casting a vote contrary to what you believe in.

Am I wrong? How so?


493 posted on 04/11/2012 11:50:58 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Ditto

Well said! Reality sucks, but you ignore it at your peril.


494 posted on 04/11/2012 11:51:21 PM PDT by navydad
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To: D-fendr

I have yet to find a political candidate, let alone one other person, that I agree 100% on everything with. Most things, yes. Everything, no.


495 posted on 04/11/2012 11:51:21 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: roscommon

What’s that about cutting off your nose to spite your face?


496 posted on 04/11/2012 11:52:22 PM PDT by Nobama_ever (Newt/Santorum or Santorum/Newt...NO Rombama and NO 0bama!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Wow! You don’t pull any punches. Thanks for standing your ground.


497 posted on 04/11/2012 11:53:00 PM PDT by candeee
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To: Nobama_ever

Well, if this is an example of your professional experience, who needs it. FR is a conservative site not a RINO GOP-e site. You fail.


498 posted on 04/11/2012 11:53:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: Artcore
For many of us, while he's not the ideal choice, Romney is a far better choice than the Marxist currently holding our nation hostage.

You guys never learn..."Argumentum ad populum" (appeal to majority)...again!

And there is not a dime's difference between the two and you can't show otherwise...which is what the rest of us know.

It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds. Samuel Adams

499 posted on 04/11/2012 11:54:19 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Santorum dropped out, and Newt seems to be indicating that he would support Romney. I was working under this assumption, but I would love to see Newt surge and surpass Mittens.

My voting for Romney is a worse case scenario.

Go Newt!


500 posted on 04/11/2012 11:55:03 PM PDT by Artcore
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