Skip to comments.Notice: Free Republic has been in full rebellion mode since 2008 and will remain so for the duration
Posted on 04/11/2012 8:04:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Notice: Free Republic has been in full rebellion mode since 2008 and will remain in full rebellion mode for the duration!
No more Doles!! No more McCains!! No more RINOS!!
Those who cannot stomach rebellion might as well start looking for a new home on the net!!
Those who have ignored my hundreds of posts on this crucial issue or who have doubted me these last three or four years might as well get used to it. FR will never support the abortionist, homosexualist, socialist, mandate loving, constitution trampling liar Mitt Romney.
In case you haven't noticed, a TEA Party rebellion is on and Free Republic signed on years ago. There is no turning back. No more crap from the GOP-e!! They've screwed us for the last time!! Karl Rove and Mitt Romney, et al, loathe conservatism and loathe the tea party and took it upon themselves to use their money and connections to destroy nearly every one of our conservative tea party candidates while pushing their big government RINOS. That makes them the enemy. I will not reward that betrayal by giving them my support or my vote.
FR is and will remain a pro-life, pro-limited government conservative site!!
We are beholden to NO ONE!! We bow to no kings!! We bow to NO RINOS!!
I'd rather fight and die like a man than bend over and be screwed by a RINO!! I refuse to kiss Karl Rove or Mitt Romney's rings!! They can kiss my rosy red ass instead!!
Long live the rebellion!!
Hope my message is clear.
OK, enough of the “Stay Home” stuff.
I do NOT recall Jim Rob saying “Stay Home”.
But voting FOR Romney is out. Vote someone else. Deny the winner, ANY winner a plurality, a majority, a mandate. Vote for the Constitution Party Candidate. Write in Sarah.
VOTE DOWN TICKET. This is indeed a fight. Deny them Congress. Fight for the White House. Newt is still VERY VIABLE.
Pray. Alot, without ceasing, as it were.
Look, this site is the best anywhere.
Most of us come here because of the intelligent back and forth discussions, unbound by the narrow-minded self censorship which has rendered most real ideas to be reduced, blended and pulped into political velveeta; We read breaking news here hours before any of the MSM gets around to noticing, if they even report at all. This is one of the only places anywhere which is not owned and operated by the combined left and right establishments.
We’ll have no impact on the GOP establishment, by fighting with each other.
Right now, let’s try and keep Romney from rolling over this thing. A brokered convention would turn this race on its head.
If that doesn’t work, despite all best efforts, let’s think about how we can bring to bear somehow, now and in the future, the same ideas and energy which brought the Tea Party movement into almost magical form.
We’re not going to solve things, by just complaining.
Sure it’s frustrating. But lashing out really isn’t very productive.
if you’re in a solid blue state, I agree with you. If you live in California, find that perfect constitution party candidate (and hope that he or she is politically pure as the driven snow) and vote early and often.
HowEVER, if you’re in a purple state, well, I might disagree with you. In fact, I do disagree with you.
You have to assume that Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy, Roberts, or Alito will die or retire or be removed from office before you can assume that Obama gets to nominate a replacement for them.
Th rolls are rapidly shrinking here for a reason. You just illustrated why.
On the off chance that Romney would make an inappropriate supreme court appointment, conservatives could always take them down, just like we did with Miers. But no, of course, your right. We’re much better off with Obama making the appointments. I’m sure that’ll work out.
No. Look at the link that I provided, and you'll see that I am actually talking about the 'other side' of the SCOTUS (i.e. Ginsburg, Bryer, etc..).
I was disappointed to learn the original tavern, originally around the corner on Union St, is gone. The current one dates to the 1860s.
Why aren’t you on Newt threads supporting your guy?
Mom, I did not even hint that I’d reconsider and vote for Romney. I won’t. He is not even remotely conservative. He is not an impure conservative. He is not a conservative at all. He never has been. He never will be. His record speaks volumes and it is an atrocious record of a radical liberal.
I have financially supported in order: Perry, Gingrich, and Santorum. I just sent my latest donations to: Free Republic and The Constitution Party.
So...there you have it.
I’m voting conservative, and I want you to do the same.
Amen to that!!!! And I think the good folks on FR for the education about Romney. At one time I would've voted for him as the GOP nominee, but as time goes on and more revelations come out about him, no way will I vote for that scumbag. He's dead in the water, anyway. As things are progressing now, Romney will have his hands full holding 20 states.
THIS voter has joined the Constitution Party and will proudly vote CONSERVATIVE in November's Presidential election.
****VIRGIL GOODE 2012****
I *THANK* the good folks on FR.....
Finally I found your strategy, Jim! This post does clarify it for me. Some of us — me — are bright but stupid. I needed more clarity on the action part of your strategy.
I guess phase one is now: vote Gingrich and see where that goes. I don’t really think he’d make a good president, but it’s a way to say “bleep you” to the GOPe.
November and stopping Obama is a long time away.
Let’s puff up, Tea Partiers, today, and appear huge and in number AGAINST THE RINO. We must stop them from ever taking us for granted again! I wish we could have huge conservative protests at the RINO convention. That would get huge media coverage.
I’m sorry. If you gave the link indicating you meant one of the 4, then I agree with you. I believe one of those 4 just might retire. However, it won’t change the balance of the court.
That’s what was so critical about the last election when we presented milquetoast as our candidate. He gave up, wouldn’t fight, quit...whatever. He disengaged.
With JP Stevens as a possibility, we could have actually forged a 6-3 liberty conservative majority. But the GOP-e threw it or McCain was totally inept. I’d like to think we were smarter than that, but we weren’t.
In my case, I’ve been voting for the “least worst” since Reagan left office... and how has that worked out for us?
With Romney destined for a huge defeat, I’ve viewing this as a no-risk opportunity for conservatives across the land to migrate to a party in which we have a voice. My personal choice is the Constitution Party.
Likely, Virgil Goode is going to be that party’s nominee... Why settle.. once again.. for the gray, bland, faded pastels of Romney, when we have a bold-color conservative available? Is Goode going to win? No... but neither is Romney.
I’m not laying down this time and placidly accepting the GOP’s version of “inevitable.” The only thing “inevitable” in 2012 is Romney is going to have his a** handed to him.
You’re accusing me of unhinged behavior and gutter language?
You claim reading my post is akin to reading a post on DU?
Care to explain yourself?
If you’re unable or unwilling to do that, then I question your presence here.
Well, you voted for McCain, the solid conservative. Or, wait you went against your conscience and voted for him, realizing that Obama would be a disaster, which of course, he is.
Look, I understand the frustration of you and others, myself included. Romney isn’t on my short list. However, voting for the spoiler third party IF you’re in a red or purple state does nothing except make the people at NBC giddy. They’ll be saying “look at those flyover hicks following our orders to vote third party”.
I blame everyone who did *NOT* fully support A candidate during this primary.
I’m also happy to see that you supported Santorum and didn’t eliminate him for his Specter endorsement. Rick Santorum is a good man, trashed by this horrible media we have.
Whether Mitt Romney is a conservative or a moderate is really a matter of which Mitt Romney one means. (Since he is the quintessential flip-flopper, Romney can be quoted on either side of several different issues.)
Still, I tend to believe that, if elected, Romney will govern as a conservative; if for no other reason than pure self-interest: He would surely prefer to dispel any questions as regarding his conservative pedigree, so as to position himself favorably for re-election in 2016.
Even the Founding Fathers, while they were all solidly against defeating the British (who was the real enemy in trying to destroy their freedom), they also had divergent views on how to interpret the Constitution after it was signed (Federal vs States rights). Well, our most immediate and threatening enemy to our citizen's freedom and our Constitution (more than of any President in our history) is sitting right in the oval office right now.
Very well said.
I don’t know anything about Virgil Goode. Please educate me as to Mr. Goode’s previous experience, votes, etc.
At the congressional level, I think Newt Gingrich's precedent with the “Conservative Opportunity Society” — a group of mostly young and all relatively junior backbenchers who were regularly derided by the Republican establishment is a good first step.
And that's coming as a former Santorum supporter. I've always admired Gingrich's success in doing the unthinkable by taking over the House of Representatives and becoming speaker, even though I didn't think he was the best candidate for president. Nobody can take away from Gingrich what he did in winning the House of Representatives. Now, as the last conservative left, I have to hope he'll manage to pull things out and win the nomination.
Read this, from PBS Frontline of all places. The interview with Vin Weber is a good intro to what Gingrich did in Congress, though quite dated.
That said, we will not get our choice Conservative on the ticket, and all presidential races devolve down to a practical choice between two major candidates. The reality is that we will have choice to cast one of two possible meaningful votes, Obama or Romney.
Capturing the Senate will not be enough. The Presidency is the most important post there is. At a minimum he sets the tone, approves or vetoes bills, nominated judges, etc.
In November, we may not want to vote for Romney, but a failure to vote for Romney is effectively a vote for Obama.
How do we, despite your dislike for Romney, fail to vote for him and therefore we end up helping Obama?
It's a sincere, important and respectful question.
scream as loud as you like.....but you will either vote for Obama or Romney....even if you don’t vote. If you can stand another 4 years of the idiot in chief, go for it.....if not, vote for Romney.......and you know I’m right..I always am.
I don’t know if you are always right, but I believe you are right on this one. I refuse to do a single thing that will aid in getting the Marxist bastard re-elected. I cannot stand the thought of looking at the arrogant, gloating faces of he and his America hating, whitely hating wife for 4 more years. I also cannot stand watching the Communist Party celebrate his victory, which they did in 2008 and will do so again.
You can speculate all you want. The fact is Romney actually did sign the legislation. In fact, he enthusiastically did support it.
Speculation vs. Reality
I'll go with reality.
“I would like to be the guy who pulls the lever on the catapult that sends him back to Kenya.”
No, Leavenworth or Gitmo for Obama.
Note that I said “when.” That’s the equivalent, logically, of “if.”
I’m afraid that if I have to choose between a dumb-ass RINO and a malevolent leftist who actually seeks to subvert the Constitution and destroy the country, I’ll be obliged by the force of circumstances to choose the former. I will not choose the latter simply to assuage my feelings or make some kind of statement.
Though his intention is to preserve Social Security and Medicare for the elderly, he’s strong on the more emergent issues, such as securing the border.
In that, I agree wholeheartedly.
But, as I have pointed out previously concerning this current 2012 primary cycle (the conservatives ‘splitting’ their vote among more ‘conservative candidates’ to the benefit of the ‘least conservative’ viable candidate), this is exactly what happened also in 2008, which is why we got McCain.
I didn’t quite think this way before, but after seeing the progression of the last two Presidential primary cycles and seeing the resulting consequence of the least-preferred candidate eeking out marginal 30-37% “wins” early on and then ultimately hanging around to claim victory, I have come to the conclusion that we really need a more structured ‘Tea Party’ within the Republican Party, to actually ‘nominate’ a preferred candidate BEFORE the primary season starts, so that most, if not all, conservatives can rally round that candidate, and prevent the same thing from happening again as in 2008.
Don’t forget 4 more years to accomplish their goal of single payer health care. Once they get that, there is no turning back.
I tend to believe the Etch-A-Sketch comment made by his own campaign manager.
Thank you for being such a staunch supporter of conservatives.My own journey has been Palin, Cain and Gingrich.
I respectfully ask you, and everyone else here, to support Newt Gingrich, right now, with a donation.
That would be an act of rebellion against Romney and the GOP-E.
Railing against being forced to vote for Romney doesn’t make sense(not that you are doing it, but many others are) when there is still one conservative standing in this race.
The rebellion against Romney doesn’t start in November.
It starts right now.
As I have said before, Newt aims to get to Tampa and I aim to help him get there. The GOP-E has to be sent a message that Romney, who has never governed as a Republican nor as a Reagan conservative, is not an acceptable nominee in the most important election of our lifetimes.
We all want to DO something.I humbly suggest that supporting Newt DOES something—important. Only half the country has voted in the primaries. Here in DE we vote on 4/24. The fat lady has not sung yet; heck she isn’t in the theater yet.
I think supporting Newt and getting him to Tampa will influence this election and the GOP platform, and that will open opportunities for conservative voices to be heard that would otherwise be shut out.
A common and glaring false assumption can be found in a quote by a Mr. Hansen about Obama from another FR thread today, (Kaslin), as follows:
- - - But the problem with an us/them strategy is not just winning an election, but trying to put back together what was torn asunder.
That incorrect assumption is that Obama has any intention, or will try to put back together what was torn asunder.
The former Community Organizer, Obama, has spent his entire career preparing to Organize America into Commune Amerika.
All of Obamas accomplishments have been at the expense of Individual Liberty, and Federal financial strength.
Each bill that Obama signs into iron-clad Federal Law has an ADDITIONAL amendment to increase Obamas control over individual Liberty and Federal finances.
The prime example is the rarely talked about amendment to Obamacare that transfers the entire Student Loan Debt and all future loans to Federal control. This Student Loan Debt is larger than ALL of the US Credit Card Debt.
Obama is a dictator, and everything he does is consistent with increasing his power while decreasing our individual Liberty and ability to achieve individual financial independence.
In summary, Obama has done everything in his power to destroy THE AMERICAN DREAM.
The Democrats will never see that fact.
The RINOs deny that fact, and have in lock-step endorsed smiley-face Romney to gleefully Cave-In to the Democrats, in the highly unlikely chance that Romney becomes POTUS.
The Liberal Agenda Media are overjoyed that FINALLY America will be destroyed so that it can be re-built according to what their Law and Journalism Professors taught them back in their active Student Loan Days.
As conditions in America continue to deteriorate, America voters will become more fearful, and thus less willing to change horses in the middle of a crisis, even though the crisis was created by Obama.
It has been said, by those who study these matters, that only 20 % of a population will accept any given idea. Since about half of the US population bothers to vote, that 20 % becomes 40 %, the same % as the baselevel of voter poll support for Obama.
BTW, is there a counterbalancing voter support 40 % in America that accepts the idea that Obama is tearing asunder The United States of America and has NO intention to put together what was torn asunder?
Meanwhile the drumbeat of Dictator Obama grows louder:
regulate - control - destroy - Regulate - control - destroy - REgulate - control - destroy - REGulate - control - destroy - REGU
No one has received the nomination yet. There is still time to affect the outcome.
The question you are asking is important, but there is another component to it.
If we have one conservative left standing in this race, why accept the false premise that our choice is only Romney?
Our rebellion can take the form of sending Newt on to Tampa, to blunt Romney and to be our voice, and to give other conservatives in Tampa a chance to be heard.
The GOP-E wants us all to sit down and shut up, and I say "NUTS" to them. We don't want Romney, a non-Republican liberal, to be our nominee with the fate of America at stake in November.
We can yet affect the outcome in November by affecting the outcome in August in Tampa.
The rebellion starts now, in my opinion, and my act of rebellion is to go all out for Newt.
Do you think Romney is against single payer health care?
That's the dirty trick. Every election, the RINOs in Washington pick our candidate for us. They send out the talking heads to destroy those they oppose, and tilt the propaganda toward their choice. Every election they choose someone more liberal than the one before. Now, we "choose" between a flaming left wing Massachusetts liberal, or a flaming far left communist.
They're giving us a choice - NOT.
All the power and privilege the democrats acquire while in power simply becomes theirs! The only difference is the Republicans in Washington get to live high on the hog instead of the Washington democrats! (Have they EVER eliminated a democrat social program or oppressive legislation? )
How long do we just sit back and let them blackmail us with "Vote for our guy, or the other guy whose worse will win." What about the Conservatives? Hello? Who is giving us a voice in all this? How long are we suppose to fall for this scam? Both parties are going in the same direction, only the RINOs are going a little slower as to not be noticed!
Okay, but the reality is McCain is not in this race... Romney is!
And that is precisely why you and millions of other Republicans have brought us to the brink of electing a man who is nearly identical in substance to that which we are sworn to oppose.
The 'Anyone But Obama' line of thinking opens the door to heinous and despicable characters such as Romney, and throws all principle and conviction to the wind.
I can no more vote for someone who violates the American principles I believe in 85% of the time, than I can vote for someone who violates them 100% of the time. Choosing either of those options is still treason to my country, and I will not willingly do that.
I oppose the anti-Americanism that Romney and Obama represent with every fiber of my being, and refuse to be suckered or bullied into compromising my personal honor and integrity by giving either of them my consent.
If we cannot stop the coming darkness, then let that horror bear the name of my enemy. Let every man understand just WHO was responsible for destroying all that was good about the finest nation that was ever conceived by the mind of man.
Your honor and integrity are more important than your immediate life. Do not barter them away so cheaply.
You misunderstand, mom. I voted for McCain because he had a long pro-life record, he had a long record on national defense, and he had a long record on being fiscally responsible...if not purist conservative. He also was willing to team up with pro-God, pro-family, pro-life Palin.
Now, Romney is not pro-life and never has been. His record is worse than terrible. He is pro gay marriage. He is pro gun control. He is pro big government and fiscal irresponsibility (Romneycare).
He doesn’t have a single drop of conservative blood in him that I can turn to and say, “See, he’s got some conservative creds.” He simply doesn’t.
So, because of that, I want to find a real conservative to vote for, and I want you to remain open to being convinced.
(Santorum, by the way, has an absolutely wonderful pro-life record, and he was my favorite (after Perry bombed out) to receive the nomination.)
BTW, I am a died-in-the-wool pro-lifer.
They have all said they would back the eventual nominee, yes. But, speaking for myself, I'm not a lemming. Rush, Sarah, and Mark are not going to stand before Jesus and absolve me of voting for an abortionist and homosexual lover. I bear the responsibility for that. So I have to do what I believe God expects me to do----not align myself with Romney. Those folks' decisions are their own.
Personally I think he/she is hanging out at the wrong site.
” - - - (Have they EVER eliminated a democrat social program or oppressive legislation? ) - - - “
What Republican POTUS was the last POTUS to Balance the Annual Budget for one year that he was in office? (My guess is Calvin Coolidge).
BTW, don’t all Republican POTUS Candidates “promise” to Balance the Budget? Since none of them, when elected, actually have, (since possibly Calvin), were all of our Republican Presidents actually Republicans In Name Only?
Cant take the chance a Scalia and kennedy both retire or die...and democrats have a 6-3 majority for the next 20 years
It could be longer than 20 years. This time around, he would go with very young. It could change the country forever and certainly for a generation or more. I’m going to vote against the Kenyan and I don’t care what FR or anyone else thinks. I am voting my conscience and my vote will go to whoever has an R beside their name in November.
Hopefully, that will be someone other than Mittens and if it’s not, hopefully he chooses a conservative VP so the vote won’t be so painful.
It's the primary process playing out. Conservatives like Palin and DeMint chose not to get in the race. Perry, Bachman, Cain and others were eliminated early on in the voting process. Santorum won conservatives over in Iowa and a couple of other states. Gingrich won them over in South Carolina and had his chance at the rest of the south. It is the voters in this primary who have decided the ultimate outcome.
I'm accepting your position that McCain was not way better than Romney. They are both low-life, pukes.