Skip to comments.Notice: Free Republic has been in full rebellion mode since 2008 and will remain so for the duration
Posted on 04/11/2012 8:04:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Notice: Free Republic has been in full rebellion mode since 2008 and will remain in full rebellion mode for the duration!
No more Doles!! No more McCains!! No more RINOS!!
Those who cannot stomach rebellion might as well start looking for a new home on the net!!
Those who have ignored my hundreds of posts on this crucial issue or who have doubted me these last three or four years might as well get used to it. FR will never support the abortionist, homosexualist, socialist, mandate loving, constitution trampling liar Mitt Romney.
In case you haven't noticed, a TEA Party rebellion is on and Free Republic signed on years ago. There is no turning back. No more crap from the GOP-e!! They've screwed us for the last time!! Karl Rove and Mitt Romney, et al, loathe conservatism and loathe the tea party and took it upon themselves to use their money and connections to destroy nearly every one of our conservative tea party candidates while pushing their big government RINOS. That makes them the enemy. I will not reward that betrayal by giving them my support or my vote.
FR is and will remain a pro-life, pro-limited government conservative site!!
We are beholden to NO ONE!! We bow to no kings!! We bow to NO RINOS!!
I'd rather fight and die like a man than bend over and be screwed by a RINO!! I refuse to kiss Karl Rove or Mitt Romney's rings!! They can kiss my rosy red ass instead!!
Long live the rebellion!!
Hope my message is clear.
his website, his rules.
You are free to roam about the internet and find an echo chamber to your liking
The GOPe didn’t “select” Romney. Romney has LOST all of these primaries when you add up the anti-Romney vote and he wouldn’t even be in the running now if some of these “half-baked” conservative candidates had consolidated on a meaningful conservative candidate (like Gingrich) early on.
The hatred here for the GOPe is misplaced. It’s the voters and Perry and Cain and Bachman for splitting the conservative vote early. The GOPe had their choice settled early and we didn’t, so now we reap it.
I couldn’t agree more Jim. This is also the reason why I have continued to visit FR daily since 1999.
I don’t care for Romney and GOP-e. I didn’t vote for Romney in the primary. Come November though, if Romney is the last man standing - I will vote for him over the snot-nosed, arrogant, commie, Omarxist golfer.
I’d vote for a ham sandwich over our current White House Occupier.
No doubt Romney is a RINO, but in my humble opinion...Obama is something super-naturally evil, and if he is re-elected I think Christianity and Christians in this country will be in danger......
I’m going to vote “R” all the way down the ballot but I’m leaving the POTUS option blank.
In the past I have let my vote speak for me. Now I’ll let my SILENCE do the talking.
I’d actually rather have a lame duck Obama for 4 years (with another shot at fielding a conservative in 2016) than a RINO to sour the country on Republicans once again.
Exactly. Rick Perry is a perfect example. He started out at the top of the pack. Then he was ripped apart piece by piece. Ooooh - he said I was heartless. Whaa. He was out there talking about obama's war on religion. He was honest in views about gays. He's a three terms governor and a strong gun rights advocate from a BIG energy state. I liked him from day one and would gladly jump back on board if he unsuspended his campaign. He'd be a good VP pick.
What a player! Fake left (Santorum suddenly drops out) and go right (to being the nominee) to the goal!
Really? If Obama is indistinguishable from Romney as we are told on this thread, then how in the heck does a principled conservative find that he "can" or "will" support Romney either one?
Newt is smarter than anyone on this thread including myself, for certain.
I’d rather not “END UP” being stuck between a broken GOP and the DNC. If I have to take Obama for 4 more years in exchange for my party to “get the message” then I’ll take it.
You left out the qualifier, "in my opinion".
Mitt is unpopular, has not been able to win in the primaries even with the aid of FNC and the RINO elite...IMO, there will be more voters than you think who will vote for downticket conservatives...remember, these are LOCAL elections and the Tea Party is still alive.
I think the battle is lost. That’s what I think. The liberals are united, the Republicans are divided, I think we get 4 more years of o bama, a stacked far left Supreme Court, he ditches Biden in 2014-16 and selects a new VP who will win in 2016, and pick more far left Supreme Court justices and we have now seen the demise of the Republic.
Is that pessimistic enough for you?
This is the most puzzling part of the posts here. If we were on this site throughout the primary, we saw exactly how it got to this point. The weak field, the split and infighting among the notRomneys. As soon as one alternative rose, the supporters of the others tore him down again.
I don't feel I was, or we were, manipulated into this; we did it of our own free will. We need stronger candidates and more unity to avoid this in the future; but I don't think we have that even on here.
thanks for your posts...
Yet Newt says he would not say no if asked.
You can't seem to accept that he doesn't expect to be asked to begin with.
He can afford to be gracious in his comments.
Don't be so politically naive.
I agree 100% with your statement.
Wrong again, genius. The conservatives were consolidating on a meaningful conservative candidate (like Gingrich) early on.
You didn’t seriously think we didn’t know Santorum was the GOPe guy staying in just long enough to prevent the above from happening? The other “half-baked” ones got out plenty long ago.
Just because we couldn’t do anything about it doesn’t mean we are buying your bull****.
Do what you want. But why did you include me on this reply post?
sam, the GOP-E absolutely in promoting Romney and “selecting” him, even when only half of the states have held their primaries.
They are DC Beltway crowd beating the drum for Romney as the inevitable nominee, therefore all resistance must cease.
The people have consistently voted against Romney, yet we are being told everyday that resisitance is futile—he is the one.
So the question remains: If Romney is not getting the majority of primary votes why is he being coronated, and what are we going to do about it?
Newt is the face of this rebellion.Before the afternoon of April 10th, maybe Santorum could have been that face, but for unknown reasons, he has negated all of his hard work and bowed out.
Newt is the last conservative standing, so I am rebelling with him.
I’m sorry he is not perfect, but he is a darn sight beeter than either Romney or Obama.
I am reading your ping at “my comments”.
I read this as I have read other statements of Newts in the past in which IMO he’s saying if he’s NOT the POTUS, which is the job he seeks then he’s a citizen. He’s said in past statements as I read them before that he’s not interested in being the guy the POTUS such as Romney would be that is ignored, and would be there to catch the fallout for the idiot making the decisions.
Seen it before. Newt is right on the mark. He’s either POTUS, or to “H” with it. Let Romney sink, or swim. I applaud his attitude.
I think he’s absolutely right. Been in a few positions in my life I had to make the decision too. It’s either me making the decisions, or I’m outta here. I had no intention of being the fall guy for some other persons inadequacies, and BS. Why open oneself up to such BS?
Sam, I understand the problem. Gingrich isn't my favorite candidate either, but he's the last one left standing.
Got a better alternative? I don't.
Also consider that Gingrich really had no choice. If he raises questions now about his willingness to support the eventual Republican nominee, he's destroying whatever chance he has left of winning the Republican nomination. Unlike the modern Tea Party movement which has gotten away with “bad boy” behavior, Gingrich knows what it's like to be portrayed as a “take my marbles and go home” crybaby. That tactic was used by Bill Clinton against him quite effectively.
I suppose something could go horrifically left-wing at the convention, so extreme that Gingrich gets talked into running a third-party bid, but with millions of dollars of debt, I don't see it. My guess is that Gingrich is out for good after the convention and at most he can be talked into running for something in 2014 after a devastating nationwide 2012 Republican bloodbath for which Romney gets blamed.
Newt Gingrich supported Dede Scozzafava, after all, rather than a third party conservative candidate that, under New York state election laws, was actually a viable third party campaign. I didn't blame Santorum for backing Specter (though I can't see me being willing to do that) and I refuse to blame Gingrich for party loyalty. People in top political roles like Santorum and Gingrich don't have the freedom we have — especially those of us who are not using our real names on the internet.
Obviously, I could be wrong. If any of the Republican candidates would go third-party, Gingrich and Paul are the only ones I could see doing it — and there's no way I'm voting for Ron Paul based on his anti-Israel and isolationist positions. Those are just as much no-go positions for me as Romney's views on abortion.
I've taken way too much time on national politics over the last few days, especially since Santorum dropped out. In less than five hours, articles of impeachment are going to be considered against our mayor, following the firing of the city administrator and a bunch of other city officials, and I need to get back to local politics where what I do makes a much bigger difference than here.
>>>>>" I think people are kidding themselves about who Newt really is. I am not happy to say it."
If nothing changes, nothing changes. We seem unable to unite on anyone or anything - even to defeat our common opponent. Until this changes, being effective in the nation's politics is futile.
And he's going to win all the delegates in the upcoming states and Santorum's delegates are going to swing his way? Right? Because that's what it is going to take.
Ooooookay! Santorum has been a secret Romney agent all along?!
Sure, I'll play your silly little game.
Then all of the social conservatives who supported Santorum were....fools? dupes?
I see. So really we don't need primaries, we just need a smokey backroom with people as smart as you to pick the right conservative candidate before the primaries start.
Wait. That's what the GOPe did for their boy Romney! Isn't that what we're against?
This is 2012. I can assure you the democrats were quite fanatically liberal in 1992. The current republican party with Boehner, Ryan, etc. is NOT more liberal than the democrats 20 years ago.
Sadly, that is what we are faced with. As I said,
I will not do anything to help Obama in any way win this election. I will exert all of my energies to his defeat at the ballot box...and I believe we can. I am constrained to do this for my kids and grandkids so they can carry on the fight in the future. They may not have that chance with Obama in another four years. Plain and simple.
Each must decide for themselves, but I have made my decision based on the reasons I outlined.
America at the Crossroads
Mitt has already agreed to pay off Santorums campaign debts as long as he keeps his delegates from Newt. It is the way it works.
Your silence will then get us 4 more years of BO, MO and Eric Holder, not to mention the rest of the commie clan and any Supreme Court justices appointed.
This country will be unrecognizable.
FR is not anti-anything. FR is a pro-conservative website.
Excellent, well reasoned post.
I hear you—it’s a long shot, but what other shot do conservatives have?
I am not ready to throw in the towel and have Romney forced on me.
That’s what rebelllion is all about.
If we worried about the odds, America would never have been born.
That’s why we have to rid ourselves of the parasites in the GOP and Democrats.
The only answer is a third party and it’s entirely possible due to the internet and the speed that news travels back and forth.
Not being an elitist in academia I can’t tell you how many Republicans are going to sit this one out simply because they have no choice. I can, however, tell you that my guess is about 6 out of 10 of the people in my circle hate Romney and will vote for an iron fence post if they were given the choice between Romney and the post.
With that said, there are many millions who, at the drop of a hat, would donate for a third party candidate and take it upon themselves to have many one-on-one with their friends and neighbors.
It’s very, very possible for a new party to rise in full strength within a few months.
Gingrich would have been a good candidate for the GOP, flawed, but good. However, he would not be a good candidate for a new third party.
“He would not say no.”
So what? Wouldn’t you like to be VP with a strong chance of being elected POTUS later?
So you would not vote for Mittens yet you’d be his VP? What kind of a hypocritical ideological whore are you? If this election is so damn important you won’t vote for him yet you’d put your political career in front of the country to be his VP because it’s good for you? Really?
So the people who know him well, think he is pro-life even though his words, actions and governance say differently.
So those facts are not an issue because “well he is just a politician”.
Sorry, for you and your friends, I do not vote for liberals, and I certainly do not vote for people who promote abortion.
You do what you need to do, I will not vote for Romney.
I will not stand before God Almighty and say “yea I voted for a guy who promotes abortion but he wasn’t as bad as BHO, so it was ok”.
Ditto. I have tried, but can't say it any better than you just did.
“Agreed. But in order to make an impact with that protest vote, we have to have a sufficient volume of people coalescing around the third party ... or it will go unnoticed. We need name recognition whether that be an individual, or a party, or “NUTS!” if need be. And we need a fair number of people committed to following through with it. I wager we’ll all wait to see what rolls out for a bit yet. We have the possibility of a contested convention and an independent candidate appearing on the scene. But the time to define a solid contingency plan is decidedly now.” - so_real
Precisely right. I’m not the person to know exactly what the strategy should be at this point, but that is to be decided (quickly) and to have a plan A and a plan B - with a core group ready to take action on it - is only smart. I presume Newt and/or a contested convention falls within plan A. Plan B needs to take shape around a conservative third party movement.
I voted for Newt today (early Indiana) whether is is the longest of long shots or not.
O is one big secret!
Obama State Department set to cede oil-rich Alaska islands to Russia....
The agreement was negotiated in total secrecy. The state of Alaska was not allowed to participate in the negotiations, nor was the public given any opportunity for comment. This is despite the fact the Alaska Legislature has passed resolutions of opposition but the State Department doesnt seem to care.
And then what happens? You deny Mitt the 1144. We go to convention and the GOP nominates someone else you will find unacceptable (e.g, Jeb, Christie, etc.) That will pretty much put us back to square one — no “true” conservative.
However, like Newt, I wouldn't expect to be asked to begin with either.
My earlier posts all say about the same:
Hey there metmom, as well as anyone else that may care to chime in.
The choice is to vote a write in. Keep the % votes for whoever wins low, less of a claimed mandate.
Also, VOTE DOWN TICKET!
Its critical to claim the senate and keep the house, as well as put as many conservatives in there as we can.
Just my 2 cents
Vote a third person / write in, will keep total vote % lower for the winner, less of a claim to a mandate.
Vote downticket, House and Senate are IMPORTANT.
And above all, as you have noted, PRAY and fast, and TRUST in the Lord.
Romeny will NOT win. Can not win. He is Obama lite anyway. The GOP knows it. We are so close to a one-party system and here are people arguing about which socialist to elect.
Really? A Repub socialist is better than a Dem socialist? My vote will go to neither.
I do NOT recall Jim Rob saying Stay Home.
But voting FOR Romney is out. Vote someone else. Deny the winner, ANY winner a plurality, a majority, a mandate. Vote for the Constitution Party Candidate. Write in Sarah.
VOTE DOWN TICKET. This is indeed a fight. Deny them Congress. Fight for the White House. Newt is still VERY VIABLE.
Pray. Alot, without ceasing, as it were.
In any case, Newt is head and shoulders above Romney, who is ideologically identical to Obama, except that he’s white.
The bottom line is the best people, the most conservative people that most of us were asking, requesting, begging to run, said they would not run. There were a number of people we could have been energized to rally around. They are not running. Through this entire process, seeing what we are seeing, possibly feeling what we are feeling, and none of them have changed their minds and decided to jump in. If they are seeing what we are, and feeling what we are feeling, and they are still not jumping in to give folks a conservative alternative that can get the votes and win in November because they energize the conservative base, well, that says something too.
Yep. And if Santorum had thrown his support behind Gingrich from the beginning, then we wouldn't have a Romney problem to worry about. As it is, even if Santorum could commit his 280+ delegates to Gingrich, Romney's still ahead because Romney benefitted form Gingrich and Santorum splitting the vote in winner-take-all states.
So the reality is that the GOPe consolidated on their boy Romney, and we flitted away the conservative majority advantage in the primary by having a bunch of charlatans half-running.